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Update directions & need help at Template:WPFOOD

When you added the default flag for importance, in both the main & B ck-list areas, and when you enabled the TF6-10 prompts for creating categories, are we supposed to have a yes/no for each TF 6-10 and have that default flag in the code on our WP templates? Do the instructions need to be updated on the /doc page? Reason for asking - don't know how to get {{WPFOOD}} to prompt for the missing Herbs & Spices categories. Thanks! --Funandtrvl (talk) 15:33, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

The TF_6-10 checks are only a tool for the convenience of editors constructing complicated banners. They don't actually work. They will prompt for the missing categories on the template page, but then they need to be "hooked". You won't get prompts on {{WPFOOD}} because they are using a custom mask. However I have created a version on Template:WikiProject Food and drink/sandbox which is prompting for them now. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:47, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Terrific, thank you for the help and explanation! --Funandtrvl (talk) 16:13, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

B checklist

On {{WPBeatles}}, the B checklist is implemented, but an article can still be assessed as B-Class even if b1–b6 are set to "no".

Is this a bug in that banner (in which case, how do I fix it?), or is it due to a recent change in WPBannerMeta (in which case the documentation should be updated)? Dendodge _T\^C 16:17, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, this is a Happy-melon error on your custom mask. Easily fixed though. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:56, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

How do I fix it? Dendodge _T\^C 17:10, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I fixed it. Also on WPGermany; I'm going to go through and check the others. :S Happy‑melon 18:04, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Looks like we've all done it!! Even Martin, although that was to a sandbox, so it only counts as half... :D Happy‑melon 18:20, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Umm, hope you didn't "fix" any others in this way! (Extra =) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:35, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't know what you're talking about... :S Happy‑melon 20:44, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Questions

I've done a lot of work today to bring {{WikiProject Mississippi}} up to standards, including creating many sub pages this template required. Happy-melon converted it to WPBannerMeta on April 3rd, but many of the parameters weren't implemented during that conversion, hence my work today. Most of what I've done is via reading documentation and looking at other project templats. I do have some questions however and would appreciate any help..

• Used to, articles classed as NA would go into Category:Non-article Mississippi pages. Now I see that page was deleted twice in April. So my question is, where are the NA articles going now?
• Second question.. I think I have some coding wrong somewhere as Category:Mississippi articles needing attention is showing articles instead of placing them in the subcats. Thoughts?

It's all confusing to me but I think I've done a good job bringing the template from what it was to what it is now. Any further help fine tuning it would be most appreciated. - ALLST✰R▼^echo _{wuz here @} 02:20, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

It's looking good! I've made a few suggestions, feel free to revert them.

• NA-Class articles will be in Category:NA-Class Mississippi articles, although as you have full quality scale enabled only those pages which don't come under any other class will be in here.
• I don't understand. What subcategories do you want to use? I don't see any specifc coding relating to the attention category ...

— Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:09, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Excellent. I wasn't aware of Category:NA-Class Mississippi articles. I do my best to keep this project running. I wished I knew of way to know when new project related pages were created such as this one. I kept wondering why in the world Category:Non-article Mississippi pages kept getting deleted and showing as red link in the template's assessment documentation and I didn't know what to replace it with. lol I changed the images back in the template due to past discussion a wiki-lifetime ago (I think it was 2 years, maybe just under). But as I think about it, I don't guess it would matter now since all those that were a part of the discussion have seemingly disappeared. I of course find the Mississippi state flag offensive but that's another discussion for another place.

As for those subcats, I was just noticing like on Category:Nevada articles needing attention, they have no individual articles listed there.. just all subcats, whereas Category:Mississippi articles needing attention has the subcats and some stray individual articles.

Thanks for your help and looking at the template. - ALLST✰R▼^echo _{wuz here @} 07:24, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

The banner has the following parameter set:

|attention={{{attention|}}}

Since no category is defined, I assume the meta feeds Category:Foo articles needing attention by default, though this is not mentioned in the documentation. Happy Melon or Martin will know better than me, though. PC78 (talk) 09:49, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Not mentioned? What's this then: "By default, they are categorised into Category:PROJECT articles needing attention." Navada articles needing attention will go into that category - it just so happens that there are none at the moment. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:27, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Ahh ok, Thanks Martin. - ALLST✰R▼^echo _{wuz here @} 20:14, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Ah, well. Clearly I can't read then. :) PC78 (talk) 22:37, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Another question

Would someone take a look at {{WikiProject Mississippi}} and fix whatever is causing it to call for {{WikiProject Mississippi/class}}. I only noticed this because when you're in edit mode for the template and scroll all the way down to the bottom of the page here it shows all templates being called for, it was red. Thanks. - ALLST✰R▼^echo _{wuz here @} 04:24, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

This is not an error, and happens on every banner. It's because the meta checks that page in case there is a custom class mask in place. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:20, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

OK, thank you for explaining it to me. - ALLST✰R▼^echo _{wuz here @} 07:26, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Hmn, we could fix this by adding the surrounding #ifexist check, as we do on the main banner. How close to the limit did you say you were with the category checks, Martin? Happy‑melon 15:00, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Bot requests#BannerBOT

Some feedback would be appreciated. Headbomb {^ταλκ_{κοντριβς} – WP Physics} 07:43, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Hide importance row on non-articles

Another request born of MSGJ's and my efforts to convert {{WikiProject Anime and manga}} to use WPBM; currently WP:ANIME's banner does not display the importance row on non-articles (where importance is automatically set equal to NA), whereas WPBM does. Once again, MSGJ has said he agrees with how WP:ANIME's banner does it, and suggested I raise the issue here. Thoughts? 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{(Dinoguy1000)} 19:08, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Ha, you've got your work cut out trying to persuade that lot to convert :) I agree that it's a bit pointless displaying an NA-importance, athough we should to continue categorising in those categories. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:00, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

But if a page was manually rated with an importance rating (even if it were NA), then that should be displayed. Essentially you want to hide the importance scale (but still categorise) if the importance rating is "unspecified". That's much trickier than just hiding it in certain namespaces(which is trivial). Happy‑melon 14:34, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, I was thinking about hiding it whenever the importance was NA ... (I don't think whether NA is actually specified should make any difference?). This would have to be checked on /importancescale itself, after the importance is passed through the mask. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:53, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I was talking specifically about hiding in certain namespaces (everything but article talk), but showing in those namespaces if (for whatever reason) the importance has been specified. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{(Dinoguy1000)} 20:15, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Isn't that the same as what I said? (Unless you put NA importance on an article, which is silly ...) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:24, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Cough redirects cough. :D Happy‑melon 21:14, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

And disambiguation pages... Headbomb {^ταλκ_{κοντριβς} – WP Physics} 04:49, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Sure, well these are all non-articles anyway. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:22, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Well I propose we trial it for a while, and continue to seek comments on it. I don't expect it to be controversial because it is just hiding a row of information which is basically irrelevant anyway. There is some proposed code in the sandbox awaiting a check. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:02, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

I think we can do it like this, setting /importance to return "NA" when the rating is explicitly set to NA, and "nA" when it's set by default. Then we can make the distinction I wanted, and only hide importance ratings when they're not explicitly set. I've had a look through the hooks; I think the only place where it'll have an effect is /hooks/qualimpintersect, where I've already armoured the parameters against the change. We'll need to use ucfirst: in the same way for displaying the importance rating in the header, above; that's no big deal. Thoughts? Happy‑melon 14:54, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Well the physics projects sets its importance rating to NA-class manually/by bot. This is sort of a paranoid protection against people who might be tempted to assess templates, categories, etc... That being said, there is nothing lost by not displaying the "NA", IMO. Headbomb {^ταλκ_{κοντριβς} – WP Physics} 15:09, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

I really can't see why we would want to distinguish between automatic NA and imposed NA. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:11, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

I have implemented the simplified version. Yes, there are thousands of category talk pages which are bot-created with class=NA/Cat, importance=NA, and the reason for this I suppose, is that the previous version of the banners did not automatically classify as NA. Therefore I see no reason to treat these any differently. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:02, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Meh :D It's not exactly an earth-shattering change... Happy‑melon 14:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

New hook for custom importance scales

There were more and more projects wanting to use weird and wonderful importance ratings, so I have built a hook /customimportance for this purpose. Just to let you all know. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:31, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks for that ! SyG (talk) 09:02, 28 May 2009 (UTC)