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Habbo source

This Wired blog can be a citation for the Habbo activity. [1]

Kenny Glenn

Given that this has received IRL media attention and is fairly notable as a massive raid, this should be added to the article. However, I am tired and cba. kbai Oc t ane ^{[improve me?]} 19.02.09 0737 (UTC)

Anonymous

aren't anonymous a really good example of a stand alone complex? Dunno weather it's article worthy, though. HopRar (talk)

Dusty the cat

The reason that I removed this is because there are no sources that attribute this incident to Anonymous. Rather, it is 4chan /b/ that many articles referred to; 4chan#Dusty the cat has a practically identical section on this. Even the section on this article only mentions 4chan /b/, and not "Anonymous". This most likely falls under WP:OR; you cannot make inferences that "Anonymous" as a group was responsible for this. Scootey (talk) 20:35, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We also have references that say that 4chan /b/ is part of Anonymous. I'm going to revert this, but after that i'll practice WP:1RR and not revert again. I request that you do not re-remove it until there is consensus on this talk page one way or another. Firestorm ^Talk 20:46, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To me, the question is what exactly is it that makes it so that something can be labeled as an action of "Anonymous" as a group? Does the fact that groups previously associated with the actions of "Anonymous" (such as 4chan, 711chan, EncyclopediaDramatica, etc) did something make that particular action an action of "Anonymous"? Or is it that the people that perpetrate trolling attacks/protests/etc identify as "Anonymous" (as with the majority of "Raids and invasions" on the page, such as Project Chanology, Hal Turner incident, etc) that makes it attributable to "Anonymous"?

If it is the former, then there are COUNTLESS possible incidents that could be added to the "Raids and invasions" section beyond what is there now. You could practically say that almost any Internet meme/trolling activity/etc is an action of "Anonymous". Instead, those events should probably have a section on the page for the community that they are most closely associated with (for instance, the "Dusty the cat" section on the 4chan article).

However, if it is the latter criterion, then it would make sense to keep the events done by people that identify as "Anonymous", as has been done in most of the cases on the page. In the case of "Dusty the cat", the people that tracked him down did not identify under the name of "Anonymous" as far as I can tell. Any more thoughts? Scootey (talk) 21:11, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's referring to Anonymous by everything except by name, the journalists are mixing stuff together: they mention "Rule 1 and 2 of the internet" (lolwut?), say that the same anonimity was used in the Sarah Palin incident, and their writing will make unaware readers think the protests against Scientology were organized by 4chan. Danny O'Brien should have known better when writing this.

In the 1st ref "Outraged Net users (...) online vigilantes (...) the clumsy anonymity that briefly hid “Timmy” is used every day on 4chan to protects its users from their more extreme actions – including when hacking into Sarah Palins email account during last years election (...) [the rough and ready code of 4chan website] is enough to organize a worldwide protest against Scientology, brainstorm a new idea – or organize a lynchmob. And its simplicity provides its anonymity."[2] In the 3rd ref "Rule 1 and 2 of the internet prohibits me from mentioning their name (...) members of /b/ took it upon themselves to bring the sickos to justice" [3]

P.D.: about them not identifiying themselves as "Anonymous", see http://neverforgetdusty.com/ --Enric Naval (talk) 07:54, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why uncharictaristically? Why are you negatively assigning a negative connotation to anonymous as a whole? Kilshin (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:06, 27 March 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Agree. There is evidence that cats are the single thing that Anonymous will hold sacred, most likely due to Caturday. Dogs are considered Anonymous's worst enemy, but are also seen as immune from IRL harm.Ektogamut (talk) 16:48, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, whenever anybody posts Zippocat there's normally a flamewar and chances are OP gets b&. What can you do? Anonymous likes cats. 94.169.32.14 (talk) 14:50, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Origins

"The name Anonymous itself is inspired by the perceived anonymity under which users post images and comments on the Internet. Usage of the term Anonymous in the sense of a shared identity began on imageboards."

That's just wrong. "Hacker" groups back in the 90's used Anonymous as a name well before imageboards started up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Megapeen (talk • contribs) 03:16, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This entry is about the current Anonymous meme popularized by users of imageboards, not hackers from the 90's who signed their names "anonymous." Ukvilly (talk) 16:23, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unless you can find sources that verify this, your claim is irrelevant. - Raziel 14:55, 3 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Onewhohascomebefore (talk • contribs)

Fox report

Needs re-writing, clearly written by Anonymous. Particularly this paragraph:

"The news report became the source of many internet memes. Among the mocked features of the report were the stock footage used of an exploding van, the hyperbole and alarmist phrases used to describe the idea of anonymity, naming Anonymous as a domestic terrorist organization, and the suggestion that buying a dog and curtains could protect victims from Anonymous."

Above, I've highlighted the stuff I have a problem with:

Internet memes - No, it only two internet memes, "Internet hate machine" and "Anon only fear two things: dogs and closed curtains" the hyperbole and alarmist phrases used to describe the idea of anonymity, naming Anonymous as a domestic terrorist organization - Too many weasle words the suggestion that buying a dog and curtains could protect victims from Anonymous - On the video, she bought a phone tracer, alarm system and guard dog. She never said anything about closed curtains... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.162.198.75 (talk) 17:08, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]