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IRC channel

Like the Wikipedia:WikiProject Tropical cyclones, I have created an IRC channel for all to use. Go to this site put your wikiname as your nickname. Put irc.freenode.net in the next box as the server, and put #wiki-weather as the channel. Hope to see you there! It is a chatroom to discuss the WikiProject Meteorology and it's articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juliancolton (talk • contribs)

Active members

We have close to 70 members in this project, but very few actually contribute from what I can tell, and I see several members that have retired. Should we do as the WP:WPTC did and send a message to every member, and ask them to sign up somewhere to show they are still activly contributing, and then whoever doesn't respond within two weeks is moved to a Inactive member section? Juliancolton (talk) 18:54, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

That sounds good to me. Gopher backer (talk) 19:23, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Good. I think we should get the opinion of a few other members first. Other than that, we will have everybody sign up and notify us that they are still active here:

List of Active Members

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
  1. Juliancolton (talk) 19:28, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
  2. Gopher backer (talk) 19:46, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
  3. RingtailedFox • Talk • Contribs 21:39, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
  4. Hello32020 (talk) 22:00, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
  5. CrazyC83 (talk) 22:11, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
  6. Hurricanehink (talk) 22:23, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
  7. IrfanFaiz —Preceding comment was added at 22:40, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
  8. Trvsdrlng (talk) 23:08, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
  9. Jamie|C 23:26, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
  10. --JForget 23:55, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
  11. Thegreatdr (talk) 00:18, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
  12. Theonlysilentbob (talk) 00:39, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
  13. Evolauxia (talk) 01:50, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
  14. Southern Illinois SKYWARN (talk) 03:27, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
  15. Andreas Willow (talk) 12:12, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
  16. Mbrstooge (talk) 14:44, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
  17. bob rulz (talk) 20:04, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
  18. Senorpepr (talk) 23:18, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
  19. WindRunner (talk) 00:03, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
  20. The Canadian Roadgeek (talk) 23:44, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
  21. Ks0stm (talk) 20:00, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
  22. -WxHalo(T/C) 00:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
  23. --Μ79_Šp€çíá∫횆tell me about it 20:18, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
  24. Deditos (talk) 22:41, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
  25. RunningOnBrains 00:00, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
  26. Coredesat 13:47, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

GA review of Station model

I got some odd comments during the first GA review for this article, including shortening sections, when sections within the article aren't very long. There was also a recommendation to add bullet points, though previous articles I've placed for GA or FA have shunned bullet points. I've been editing the copy, which seems to be its biggest flaw. I definitely need a second opinion here, since it seems more than half their points used for preventing GA by the initial reviewer seem invalid. Thegreatdr (talk) 17:35, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you to the two people who have commented so far (one from within the project, and one outside the project). Thegreatdr (talk) 23:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Missing meteorology articles

I am not sure if it is in the scope of the Severe Weather project or the General Met project but here it goes... (this is also posted on the SVR Proj Page)

We definitely need a stub discussing a hydrolapse while keeping it separate from lapse rates. Can provide a See Also section or whatever linking to lapse rate. Hydrolapse and lapse rate go hand in hand since they are part of the same thermodynamic processes but I would argue for keeping them separate so as to allow specificity in articles which may link directly to hydrolapse or readers who are just interested in that particular term.

Secondly, we need an article dealing with dynamic instability specifically related to meteorology, right now an article exists but it deals with some biochemistry cellular stuff. At the same time we also need something which is related to dynamic lifting, either in a separate article or as part of the article dealing with dynamic instability.

These are two atmospheric conditions/processes which are critical to severe weather at both a storm/mesoscale level and synoptic level. Theonlysilentbob (talk) 04:46, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

My first comment is to say {{be bold}} and create them. Whether you have knowledge on the topics or not, do some research. It's a great way to gain knowledge concerning a topic. Related to this comment, someone has created a page for articles not covered within wikipedia yet within meteorology, which is located here. They made not all require articles...I took some off the list and merely created redirects to the articles which already covered the topic. Thegreatdr (talk) 19:35, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Reminder of the Philip Greenspun Illustration project

Hi. You may be familiar with the Philip Greenspun Illustration Project. $20,000 has been donated to pay for the creation of high quality diagrams for Wikipedia and its sister projects.

Requests are currently being taken at m:Philip Greenspun illustration project/Requests and input from members of this project would be very welcome. If you can think of any diagrams (not photos or maps) that would be useful then I encourage you to suggest them at this page. If there is any free content material that would assist in drawing the diagram then it would be great if you could list that, too.

If there are any related (or unrelated) WikiProjects you think might have some suggestions then please pass this request over. Thanks. --Cherry blossom tree 16:54, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Diffluence

I've begun a page on a topic that has been requested for a while now, diffluence. It actually redirects to a larger subject that had yet to have an article about it, Deformation (meteorology). Any help in researching/expanding this topic would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! ~ Triberocker (talk) 04:06, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Tornadocane/Landcane/Landphoon

We recently had a similar article to tornadocane called landphoon removed from wikipedia because the term was not in the glossary of meteorology. What's interesting is that landphoon had about seven unique sources, while tornadocane has exactly one source using the term. I'm going to propose the article's removal, for consistency's sake. For reference, I was the creator of landphoon last August. This posting is also in BWER, tornadocane, and Severe Weather wikiproject and will also be in the tropical cyclone project talk page to get the largest possible response. Thegreatdr (talk) 16:18, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Marion, Illinois tornado outbreak

I brought this up at WikiProject Severe weather, but only one person responded. I thought that by bringing it up here, it would hopefully get a larger response.

I have been working on the above article since early January. The article appeared on the front page under DYK at one point. I would like to improve the aricle further, but could not think of to do myself. Any suggestions? Southern Illinois SKYWARN (talk) 02:49, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

List of meteorology topics

List of meteorology topics needs expert attention. It went though an afd and consensus was to keep. I have cleaned out a large number of unrelated terms but the article needs more work. -- Alan Liefting-talk- 08:48, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Why?? Why do cold fronts move west to east?

~~Reader —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.195.247.157 (talk) 19:20, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Because cold fronts are steered by the upper level winds, which normally flor from west-to-east in the mid-latitudes, such as the United States, Europe, Asia, southern Australia, southern Africa, and southern South America. Thegreatdr (talk) 01:21, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Rainfall patterns in the United States

This article has been in bad shape for quite some time. I've almost completely rewritten the article, which also means it could be a while before I'm able to bring it up for GAC, even when it finally becomes filled out with references. Let me know what you think of the improvements, and what might be missing from the new article. Thegreatdr (talk) 18:59, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Second opinion on BWER

One of the contributors to the severe weather project reviewed the article in response to GAC, and made a comment about expanding the article, but isn't sure how it can be expanded. I'm looking for a second opinion, to see if there are any additional avenues for expansion of this article. Thank you for whatever help any of you can provide. Thegreatdr (talk) 23:47, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Added picture of stratocumulus lenticularis

I added a picture on the stratocumulus page but I messed up the formatting. I hope someone can fix it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Djclimber (talk • contribs) 23:45, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

North American ice storm of 1998 GA Sweeps Review: On Hold

As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria and I'm specifically going over all of the "Meteorology and atmospheric sciences" articles. I have reviewed North American ice storm of 1998 and believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I have left this message at this WikiProject's talk page so that any interested members can assist in helping the article keep its GA status. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues concerning sourcing that may need to be addressed, and I'll leave the article on hold for seven days for them to be fixed. I have left messages on the talk pages of the main contributors of the article along with other WikiProjects. Please consider helping address the several points that I listed on the talk page of the article, which shouldn't take too long to fix if multiple editors assist in the workload. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 02:10, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

{{current disaster}}

A TFD discussion I started for the {{HurricaneWarning}} and {{StormWatch}} template (which tells people specifically to get information from other sites, complete with a big bold ATTENTION, which I think violates WP:NDA) has led to major improvements into a new similar template I created called {{Current disaster}}. But we could use some more input on this. Some improvements I've done include being able to specifiy what disaster or weather event the template is for, and other options. If you have any comments about implementing this in place of the 2 other templates, think we could discuss it here and on {{current disaster}}'s talk page? I was asked to discuss this with the Meteorology and Tropical Cyclone WikiProjects. ViperSnake151 17:16, 28 March 2008 (UTC)


DISPUTE (AND POTENTIAL EDIT WAR)IN NEED OF ATTENTION AND EXPERT INPUT

I would like to call the attention of the general WikiProject: Meteorology community to an ongoing dispute within our section that requires additional attention and expert input. There is a very heated and ongoing debate over the definition of the words 'Hail' and 'Sleet,' and the differences between their uses amongst experts and laymen, as well as regional differences. I am very surprised that there is not more expert interest in the topic, as misuse of these words has long been a pet peeve not just for me, but for every other meteorologist that I have ever met. Very few meteorologists have been giving their input leading to disputes between the lay and expert definitions. What's more is that those few meteorologists paying attention to these pages (myself included) are almost all either American or Canadian, leading to many accusations of Amerocentric bias. WE DESPERATELY NEED INPUT FROM METEOROLOGISTS FROM OUTSIDE THE U.S. AND CANADA--PARTICULARLY THE U.K. AND AUSTRALIA to confirm regional differences and to properly define the terms as they are used outside the U.S. - user:dayjes 20:41, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I replied here. Gopher backer (talk) 21:57, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

METAR

METAR is being moved around because of a town in Israel called Meitar. 70.51.9.57 (talk) 04:21, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Identifying clouds

Is it possible to identify the cloud type seen in this picture? Carcharoth (talk) 21:09, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Those look like cumulus clouds with cirrus clouds above them. Southern Illinois SKYWARN (talk) 21:21, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Numerical model template

We have some handy templates for environmental observing systems. I've been building a new template which includes the major numerical weather and climate models. I'd appreciate project members' input; particularly Thegreatdr, given his experience at HPC with various models.

Although the listing is not meant to be exhaustive -- that's left to the respective categories and article pages (perhaps some list articles could be made, too) -- there is a bias for weather models.

  • Although climate model is in the name, it does concentrate on NWP. I'm undecided on how much (if any?) climate models to include with this.
    • If yes, should they receive their own section (and how are GCMs subdivided from RCMs); if no, should a separate template be made for climate models?
  • Along the lines of not including climate models (yet?), I've not included oceanographic or coupled models.
  • There's also a potential bias towards North American models, although I'm not remembering many other widely used operational models.
  • To keep the template trim, I've also not included various models like the QLM.
  • I've not included the various "flavors" of models such that the WRF and MM5 have. This includes the specialty models such as those for TCs/hurricanes. Some of the major ones could be included (if the respective model has an article)?
  • I've not included ensemble models; mostly because of the lack of articles and the multitudinous runs out there. Ensembles are very important to weather forecasting, however.
  • I've concentrated on popular operational models and mostly not included experimental models; although some are included, particularly hybrids like the WRF and those widely used by operational meteorologists like the MM5 (which has its own article).
    • Re-analyses aren't included.

Basically, I'm thinking of including a few other weather models, but haven't yet due to lack of articles for these. The articles for various models need improving and in some cases articles still need to be created. Being an encyclopedia we won't have to get too detailed, but most of the articles are deficient at the moment. It's one of many projects on my To Do list.

I included a section on major discontinued and supplanted models, none of which have articles. This could be removed (the above concerns more or less apply here as does notability) or articles created. Another possibility is a single summary article with subsections linked from the template. In the example of the NGM, I included it because it is still run as a control for comparison purposes, even if not operationally per se. There's also the issue that some models are the same basic architecture with updates and a new name. For example, the AVN/MRF becoming the GFS and the Eta the WRF-NMM/NAM.

Aesthetically, is it better to only include acronyms? Are there any other comments? Thanks for any contributions. Evolauxia (talk) 06:03, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

If a model is mainly known by its acronym, then yes, it would be best that its name be the acronym. The first line of the article could be used to define what NGM, LFM, RUC, etcetera, mean. If computers are being used to simulate the atmosphere, which does include climate models, it would be considered an atmospheric model. One needs to be careful in the case of the NAM, where WRF is the name of its physics package, not the name of a model per se. Of course, WRF itself could have its own mention if editors aren't sure. Thegreatdr (talk) 01:33, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

New SVG images

I am going through and manually drawing SVGs for any good weather images I find. So far these are the ones I have done, and I will be converting these soon: (Image:Meso-1.PNG, Image:Meso-2.PNG, Image:Meso-3.PNG). Does anyone have any comments or see anything they would like fixed/improved? How about suggestions for other images to convert?

Good article icon

A proposal to add a symbol identifying Good Articles in a similar manner to Featured ones is being discussed: see Wikipedia talk:Good articles#Proposal. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 19:35, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Vancouver, British Columbia meet-up

Wikimedia Vancouver Meetup

Please come to an informal gathering of Vancouver Wikipedians, Monday, May 5 at 6:30 pm. It will be at Benny's Bagels, 2505 West Broadway. We'd love to see you there, and please invite others! Watch the Vancouver Meetup page for details.

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Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 15:35, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Atmospheric convection article

Hi all, I thought I would try and become an active member of this group (finally!) by reworking the atmospheric convection page since it seems to be on the to-do list. I'm brand new to editing articles on here so any help would be much appreciated. Right now I've put something together on my sandbox page user:Atscgeek07/Sandbox to see how it goes. So again, anyone interested in helping is welcome! Atscgeek07 (talk) 06:08, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Climate is up for GA

...and has been on and off since April 15. Any reviews would be helpful here as the article was in a state of neglect for 2 years before it was improved late this winter and early this spring. Thegreatdr (talk) 00:10, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Also posted at WT:SEVERE

I'm going to nominate Portal:Weather for Featured Portal status, and I was looking for some feedback from other members of the WikiProject. Sooo.....take a look, let me know what you think, thanks! -RunningOnBrains 07:20, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Hurricanes

Could someone take a look at Political effects of Hurricane Katrina and Alternative theories regarding Hurricane Katrina. These two sources appear to present the idea that global warming has contributed to an increase in the number and intensity of hurricanes in recent years as fringe theories. Yet from Effects of global warming (also Kevin E. Trenberth) from what I can tell this is not the case, global warming having a contributing effect on the intensity is definitely accepted as a possibility by current science (although it's far from settled) and there was even more acceptance of the idea at the time, in particular from Kerry Emanuel et al's research (although he has now done further research which has lead to a rethink, this was not the case at the time of Hurricane Katrina which is what the article's above are presenting) Nil Einne (talk) 02:05, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Red rain in Kerala GA Sweeps Review: On Hold

As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria and I'm specifically going over all of the "Meteorology and atmospheric sciences" articles. I have reviewed Red rain in Kerala and believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I have left this message at this WikiProject's talk page so that any interested members can assist in helping the article keep its GA status. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed, and I'll leave the article on hold for seven days for them to be fixed. I have left messages on the talk pages of the main contributors of the article along with other WikiProjects. Please consider helping address the several points that I listed on the talk page of the article, which shouldn't take too long to fix if multiple editors assist in the workload. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 20:56, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Weather forecasting up for GA

It has taken a while for another one of our core articles to be ready for GA. Weather forecasting should now have enough information and inline references to fulfill the qualifications. If you haven't edited the article significantly over the years, feel free to review it. Thegreatdr (talk) 00:12, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

C-Class cometh!

For those of you who haven't been following the discussion, a new C-class will be created shortly (see incredibly long discussion here). I will soon be adding it to Wikipedia:WikiProject Meteorology/Assessment (and for that matter, personalizing it to our project). I feel that we need to clarify exactly what articles will be let in to B-class, which seems exceedingly overpopulated with bad articles these days. Discussion here or at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Meteorology/Assessment would be appreciated.-RunningOnBrains 05:43, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Since WPTC's scale feeds directly into here, this discussion is probably of relevance here too. Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 05:47, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
It's official. I was (and still am) strongly opposed to making the assessment scale more confusing, but I guess I (and a few dozen others) were overruled. Since this isn't the place for me to rant about my preference, I have found some C-Class examples:

Weather up for GA

Another of our core articles is up for GA. Feedback is always appreciated. Thegreatdr (talk) 23:21, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

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