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This is an archive of discussions from Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals for the month of December 2008. Please move completed December discussions to this page as they are closed, add discussion headers to each proposal showing the result, and leave incomplete discussions on the Proposals page. After December, the remainder of the discussions will be moved to this page, whether stub types have been created or not.

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split of Category:Video game company stubs

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just reached 800 propose

rough idea of numbers from catscan. Waacstats (talk) 10:57, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes by all means Count Blofeld 10:59, 8 December 2008 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

split of Category:China stubs

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Oversized at 845, we already have {{PRChina-footyclub-stub}} and {{PRChina-basketball-team-stub}} that between them have 74 articles so propose either

Waacstats (talk) 10:40, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I think sorting by sport and country is better than sorting by just country, so i'd oppose sports-team-stubs. In order to include national teams, we could consider {{PRChina-national-team-stub}}--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 23:56, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

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split of Category:San Francisco Bay Area geography stubs

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Creeping up to 715, lubkily we already have by county upmerged templates and the following are all over 60 so propose relevent categories

Speedy? Waacstats (talk) 10:40, 3 December 2008 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

Generic country stubs

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There still seem to be a few generic country-stub types missing - i've just noticed that we have no {{Montserrat-stub}}, for example. These are speediable, but I'm giving the heads-up here first. Unless anyone has any objections, I'll make upmerged templates for any I find that don't have a basic stub (hopefully there aren't that many left now...) Grutness...wha? 22:54, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Not only have I made this and used this, but the number of stubs using this and the other two existing Montserrat templates would mean that Category:Montserrat stubs would contain 64 articles. Speedy? Grutness...wha? 23:53, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Support speedy, the same goes for any others out there.Waacstats (talk) 10:30, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

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Split of Category:African football club stubs by region

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As it is for Category:African football biography stubs, so shall it be for this stub category.--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 17:12, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

No country appears to have 60 stubs at present so this is probably the best solution. Waacstats (talk) 09:35, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

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split of Category:Norwegian people stubs

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just seen this one has shot up towards 800. These would take the size down.

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Category:British Virgin Islands stubs

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Following on from my note earlier this month on generic stubs... there are now 71 articles marked with {{BritishVirginIslands-stub}}, plus a long-standing geo-stub category which would serve as a subcat of this. Speedy? Grutness...wha? 00:49, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

obvious speedy Waacstats (talk) 07:55, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

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Category:Historian stubs

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propose the following templates, categories if they reach 60

Waacstats (talk) 00:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

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Category:Building and structure stubs

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propose the following templates, categories if they reach 60 (Geuss who is trying to fill what will be a quiet christmas)

Waacstats (talk) 00:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

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Category:European sportspeople stubs

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propose the following templates, categories if they reach 60. Should take car of all european countries except gibralter and Vatican city for which we don't have perm cats.

Waacstats (talk) 00:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

That's the problem. I have to go in to work a couple of days over christmas everyone else is away with family so I could end up home alone so got to keep myself out of trouble some how. Waacstats (talk) 09:08, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
:/ Sorry to hear that. Still, at least it means some stubs will be sorted :) Grutness...wha? 00:39, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Eugh. Failed to spot that the Macedonian one should have been at {{RMacedonia-sport-bio-stub}}... renamed and deleted the original. Grutness...wha? 23:47, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

forgot about that, will remember next time. Waacstats (talk) 11:00, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

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Three more scientists

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Three more scientist templates pass 60, speedy categories?

Waacstats (talk) 18:09, 14 December 2008 (UTC) Strongly oppose. Just kidding, speedy of course. Could you please list any ones below which have over 30 but less than 60 too and I'll see what I can do The Bald One White cat 19:27, 14 December 2008 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

Speedy scientists

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the following templates have over 60 articles propose relevent cat

Waacstats (talk) 23:47, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Speedy, naturally The Bald One White cat 18:30, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

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The last few "country" Foo-stubs

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Hi all. Every country (and everything which might conceivably be called one, other than a few disputed regions) now has both a Foo-stub and a Foo-geo-stub... with four exceptions, all of which may need a little discussion before creation, as listed below. They're probably best treated in two separate loads, hence the separate headings. The entire list of such stubs for "countries and country-like entities" is now at User:Grutness/Geo-stub list, BTW. Grutness...wha? 23:01, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Korea and China

We still use {{Korea-stub}} and {{China-stub}}, which are perfectly acceptable, given that many stubs deal with pre-revolutionary/pre-war subjects. We could probably still do with the following, though:

Grutness...wha? 23:01, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree these are probably a good idea but I can see them being troublesome as well. Waacstats (talk) 00:09, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Mmm once again I think you are looking too much into being politicially correct my dear Mr. Grutness. LOL. Makes sense though. The Bald One White cat 18:31, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

TAAF

We have no foo-stub or geo-stub for France's Southern and Antarctic Territories. There are two issues here - firstly, the name andc secondly the scope (our stubs for other countries do not include areas within Antarctica, which is a major slice of this territory). But other French overseas départements have their own stub types; this should too. Possible options are the following:

covers the entire area including Antarctica's Adélie Land.
also covers the entire area, using the standard French acronym. Simpler, but may be ambiguous.
removes Antarctica, but may be ambiguous - Corsica is in southern France, for instance.
clearer, but a bit of a fudge - there's no permcat for French Southern Territories, it's always french Southern and Antarctic territories.
90% of the area of the non-Antarctic TAAF is the island of Kerguelen. Template wording could make it clear that, like Trinidad-stub, it is for the whole entity, not just the biggest island.

I'm open to any other suggestions, but given that this has been hanging around as the last outstanding geo-stub for a long time and will soon probably be the last outstanding generic stub, I'd like to get this dealt with ASAP. Grutness...wha? 23:01, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

A quick read of the article would suggest that what we want to cover is best descibed as FrenchSouthernTerritories-stub, it may be a fudge but then so would any of the others(excluding antarica/includeing islans not specifically named). Waacstats (talk) 00:14, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
I hadn't noticed before, but that article says "French Southern Territories" is an acceptable name, so I'll go for that. Grutness...wha? 20:25, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Given that everywhere else has these types of stubs, I;'ll assume this is speediable and start work :) Grutness...wha? 05:54, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

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Other scientists

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following on from below I was surprised to find we don't have the following

Waacstats (talk) 13:43, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Support. I know it is very surprising what is missing and how generic some of them are. I would suggest we sometime do an overhaul of biography stubs on wikipedia and ensure we at least have templates organized by country (main ones in Europe and Americas anyway) by profession. There is far too much of an inconsitency. We would probably need some people from WP:BIO to help out as it would be by no means a task for only two of us The Bald One White cat 13:45, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

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Category:German scientist stubs

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Scientists in general seem to be largely sorted either by nationality or speciality not both so before the above gets too large I propose the following scheme. numbers are rough ideas

Will probably propose similar schemes for other countries shortly. Waacstats (talk) 13:43, 12 December 2008 (UTC) I thought I proposed German chemists and chemist stubs a while back? Could you check, back in October I think The Bald One White cat 13:47, 12 December 2008 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

Further split of Category:Anatomy stubs

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While I have reduced the number in this category to a little under 800 by moving articles into the existing more specific stubs, there are enough articles to create {{lymphatic-stub}} and {{genitourinary-stub}}. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:55, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

A wider discussion, Grutness, Waacs please join in. I support the split but I would investigate how to split further. Template:Sfd bottom

Category:French museum stubs

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Coudl somebody enlighten me how many stubs we have at present? I've created {{France-museum-stub}}. Remember that French museums are categprized in a number of categories. If it doesn't hit 60 let me know. [[List of museums in France has several hundred which need to be started anyway The Bald One White cat 22:25, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

A quick sort gives 47, may be others that I haven't picked up though. Also i've upmerged the template till we get to 60. Waacstats (talk) 09:14, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Should now be over 60. The Bald One White cat 11:22, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Agree it's over 60 support category. Waacstats (talk) 13:27, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

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Split of Category:Government stubs and create templates by country

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Oversized with 823 stubs and a very generic category given that some drastically different governments are categorized together across the world. My gosh the work that needs doing is creeping up on us but I'd strongly recommend creating a full set of country templates for an important subject like government and creating categories where viable and upmerging the rest The Bald One White cat 16:08, 11 December 2008 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

{{baseball-competition-stub}}

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I don't think there is enough articles for a category yet, but it will help sort Category:Baseball stubs. For instance, all the articles on there listed with a year cannot be sorted into a baseball-season stub because they are a competition. If eventually gets more than 60 would say create category Category:Baseball competition stubs. —Borgardetalk 13:38, 11 December 2008 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

{{recording-studio-stub}}

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For music recording studios. There are currently 54 tagged with {{music-venue-stub}}, which isn't the most intuitive of descriptors. I think the class is sufficiently distinct to warrant its own handy-dandy template - ideally cat too, where they could better find expert attention, but pending the magic 60 they can be upmerged to remain in Category:Music venue stubs.  • Lainagier • talk • 07:03, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Support, and if on creating 60 are found to exist I also support Category:Recording studio stubs. Waacstats (talk) 12:09, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

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Category:Hungarian scientist stubs and templates for others

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Category:Hungarian scientists and sub cats shows it is clearly viable. Create {{Hungary-scientist-stub}} too obviously Actually I propose the creation of the following templates and to create categories where viable. Count Blofeld 10:58, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

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Speedy cats from the Channel Islands

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Not to be confused with manx cats from the Isle of Man :) I've just been sorting Jersey and Guernsey's stubs, and the following are speediable:

(NB - as with New Zealand, the adjectival demonym seems to be identical to the noun form). Grutness...wha? 08:39, 8 December 2008 (UTC) Go for it Count Blofeld 10:58, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Speedy. Waacstats (talk) 11:22, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

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New Categories for Upmerged Afghanistan Stubs

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I am currently sorting the Afghanistan-geo-stubs. 604 total articles. Request permission to create categories for any of the stubsets that top 60. Aelfthrytha (talk) 06:42, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Seems fair enough to me. Grutness...wha? 08:39, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

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split of Category:Tennis stubs

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I would like to split out the tennis-stubs with the addition of {{tennis-tourney-stubs}}. Should lead to more work done through split of focus. -- Mjquin_id (talk) 22:04, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

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Category:Actor stubs

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propose a {{Israel-actor-stub}}. Waacstats (talk) 00:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

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Category:Writer stubs

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propose the following templates, categories if they reach 60

Waacstats (talk) 00:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

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Split of Category:Canoer stubs

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currently oversized propode the following:

Categories for those that reach 60 (Probably just the Germans and Hungarians) No Canada canoe bio? I'm shocked The Bald One White cat 12:08, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

  • Support - though what a horrible name for the category! I'd never heard the word canoer before, and googled it to make sure it's a real word - "canoer" is outnumbered by "canoeist" by about seven to one. BTW< I'm also shocked there's no suggestion of including a {{NewZealand-canoe-bio-stub}}! Grutness...wha? 21:45, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

LOL. I know I always thought that when I was adding some Beijing "canoer" or "canoeist" bio stub. The Bald One White cat 10:22, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I know we have a large competition in the nearest town and the locals always complain about "the damn canoeists", but the the permcat is at canoer as well so unless someone wants to take that to CFD for renaming it's probably best left as is (if anyone does take it to sfd let me know, without attempting to influence the !vote).And as for NewZealand-canoe-bio catscan gives 6. Waacstats (talk) 16:37, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I diid take it to CFD yesterday, once I realised the name of it! As to catscan, I'd be pretty sure that that is because of undercategorising, though I'm surprised at the number of redlinks relating to NZ rowing. There are certainly more than six on the first page of Category:New Zealand sportspeople stubs, though not by a lot (a {{NewZealand-swimming-bio-stub}}, on the other hand, looks very useful, and may be worth proposing...) Grutness...wha? 23:47, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

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