Talk:Extended Enterprise Modeling Language

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The EEML Subarticles merged here

Hi I just merged the following three subarticles here, and redirected each to their own chapter here:

I think it is better now having all this information in one place, instead of scattered over these four articles. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 00:34, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Marcel, I think events have overtaken you. GRL is now part of an international standard, based on i*, which makes it considerably more notable than EEML. See Professor Eric Yu's homepage. So I think GRL really needs its own article now. --RichardVeryard (talk) 14:36, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Commonly used?

EEML is certainly widely discussed. from a reasonably diverse community, so I think this is easily sufficient for establishing the notability of the language. But all the sources appear to be academic papers. Is there any evidence of its actual use? --RichardVeryard (talk) 13:04, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I added two source who actually describe a use of EEML, see John Krogstie (2006) and Paul Johannesson (2008). From what I read this seems like a rather academic use, but this is one way modeling languages developed in the academic world develope.

I do think I would be nice if this article would express some more of these EEML practices and also it's origins.

-- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 14:55, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Although I certainly don't want to encourage tool vendors to promote their wares, I would say that a modelling language without a decent modelling tool has little credibility for non-academic use. The fact that no tool vendors have tried to spam this article makes me suspect that there isn't a tool. --RichardVeryard (talk) 23:02, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are rules about notability in Wikipedia, and I don't thing "The presents of vendors spamming the article" is one of them. Let's just try to stick to the facts here. Is there a tool or isn't there. Maybe the "Extended Enterprise Modeling Language" hasn't yet developed into any vendor's tool. Who knows? -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 23:34, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I certainly don't claim the presence of a tool as a necessary criterion of notability. But it is an indicator. If you are going to devote effort to Wikipedia articles on modelling languages, I'd reckon it's worth spending more time on the ones that do have tools. --RichardVeryard (talk) 14:39, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have already spend numerous edits on several articles on modeling languages here, but I am still not (yet) particularly interested in those modeling tools. My interest is in the different types of modeling languages, their developers, their use, and the whole history of the field. I guess because I also developed a new modeling language on my own. Here on Wikipedia I am interested in improving the presentation of existing modeling languages and their developers. I think modeling languages as any new product development have an initial phase in which tools are not developed yet... and mayeb it never came that far. They can still be notable. Anyway... if you have particular idea's, which modeling languages could use some more attention here, please let me know. I can take a look!? -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 20:12, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]