Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crack intro

Crack intro

Notability unestablished for far too long. last time I asked for it to be established the tag was removed with no changes to the article and the claim that "notability was assessed" with no evidence given. I'll direct !voters over to WP:NOTE. Basically you need articles from reliable sources about crack intros (I highly doubt any will be found which is why we're here). Also read WP:ILIKEIT, none of these arguments are remotely relevant to keeping the article. we're not a repository of all human knowledge nor the keepers of all the little cool things we remember from when we were kids, because frankly we weren't a significant portion of the population. Crossmr (talk) 11:23, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I was heavily into the Amiga scene, and crack intros were a big deal. They were basically demos that fit into a small amount of disk space. Many crack intros were compiled onto disks independently of the cracked software. Crack intros were extensively documented in paper magazines and disczines of the time, as well as being their own documentation - they invariably featured scrolltexts that referenced the scene. - Richard Cavell (talk) 11:51, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Uh-huh, and could you provide those references? This is why its on the chopping block. Unfortunately our personal memories don't meet WP:V. The possibility of sources existing somewhere doesn't satisfy the criteria here.--Crossmr (talk) 12:20, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Nuetral Crossmr has a point -- it needs references to satisfy WP:N. There's no reason it's an inherently bad topic, it just needs justification as such, which means meeting WP's standards of what that is. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 17:19, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep but would rather see Merge if there was an article that covered video game piracy. Copyright infringement of software doesn't quite cover this area for video games, but I think there's a way that such an article can be created from various issues (and stay neutral and all that for a touchy subject in terms of legalities). --MASEM 19:23, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is without any reliable sources we can't stay neutral or establish notability. Those are why its been nominated and no one here has addressed that.--Crossmr (talk) 21:54, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Given the historic nature of this esoteric subject, references may be somewhat difficult to come by. But it's an encyclopedic subject addressing one aspect of computer gaming history and as such deserves a place in the encyclopedia. I could see a merge being possible, but I don't think deletion is warranted. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:34, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The historic nature and whether or not its an encyclopedic subject can't be established without sources. Simply claiming it as such isn't one of the criterion in WP:NOTE. While you and I might remember them fondly, in 30 years what personal experience does the 15 year old reading it draw on? Or what about the 40 year old now who never pirated software in their youth? We have to treat all articles the same on wikipedia and giving them a pass on policy and guidelines because of nostalgia doesn't really service the encyclopedia.--Crossmr (talk) 21:54, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The cracktro is an important step in the evolution of demoscene and chiptune cultures. Searching for these terms in Google Books comes back with some relevance. I know that the April/May 2005 edition of Custom PC mentions cracktros in their demoscene feature. If you have to merge it with anything, I suggest demoscene. - hahnch e n 21:00, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If its important then we can demonstrate that with sources. Until sources are provided there is no evidence that anyone else shares your feeling on how important and prominent it was. Mention crack intros is a far cry from significant coverage in reliable third party sources.--Crossmr (talk) 21:54, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]