Talk:C.C. (Code Geass)

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Wiki doesn't allow speculation, but note when CC asks lelouche "why is the snow white?...its because it has forgotton its color".

Later in episode 11, lelouche replies "CC, i dont' know why snow is white, but i think white snow is pretty, i don't hate it"..while turning to look at CC. The snow is a metaphor for CC?

This may refer to CC having lost her memory as stated/hinted? (find references). Also the start of love interest of CC towards LL. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.110.151.8 (talk) 15:26, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey, this is just speculation but. some think that C.C is able to fly, is this trye? i mena she is seen standing on very high buildings and towers...... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.91.85.59 (talk) 22:01, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Creation of article

Well, finally its up, feel free to make it better. --Monstez 13:21, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Warlock

Where was this discussed? -Atashi 04:12, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Witch king

This term isn't accurate in reflecting what Lelouch would become if C.C was a witch. Lelouch is trying to say that he would be a male version of a witch. The term "warlock" should be used instead, as the definition of warlock is "A male witch or a demon", according to www.onelook.com . I've googled the term witch king and the most accurate term for witch king is the fictional character of the novel The Lord of the Rings. From my results, i conclude that there is no definite proper definition for "witch king", and only refers to the fictional character of the novel The Lord of the Rings. Thus, i will replace all "witch king" to warlock.

CC a witch?

"in episode 25 it is revealed that CC is a witch" or somesuch, in the last paragraph. This is an obvious distortion of the truth or misunderstanding. CC was killed on many occasions - once she was killed for suspicion of being a witch, which isn't hard to imagine. Someone being killed by accident and then being A-OK the next day would probably make people living in fear of witches during the middle ages come to that conclusion...

Anyways, I'm removing it. She's not a witch, she's an alien of some kind, or at least that idea is more supported by evidence than the idea that she turns people into frogs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.10.139.178 (talk) 23:42, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

The definition of witch isn't restricted to fairytale descriptions of point hats, flying on brooms, and living in creepy towers. The series says she's a witch or atleast it's been translated and understood as such. It's set in concrete and thus a new definition of witch relative to the series is established and under such C.C. would fall into. An alien? Hardly. Fox816 00:44, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

ANYONES I'M REMOVING IT. Mr. Anime Expert man!! Oh man yeeeeeah. Seriously, there's nothing to suggest that she's an alien. The fact that her name has some epic significance makes it more likely that she's a reincarnation of a goddess/mythological character, kinda American Gods style or something. An alien name would be meaningless and wouldn't be as "Human" as Lelouch said.

~ KR

There is no evidence in the series that reveals C.C is a witch. She does not practice witchcraft at all in the series. Even though she does, concluding that she is a witch before it is confirmed that she practice witchcraft in the series is rubbish. People in her past called her a witch, but that does not make her a witch. Once again, she does not practice witchcraft, nor it is currently revealed to everyone yet.

In episode 25, according to a fansub by GG, C.C said that she only has memories as a witch. This is a statement made by her that has been influenced by people around her, who often called her a witch. It is basically an insult and a baseless conclusion made by the people. There is nothing exactly shown that she actually was involved, be it directly or indirectly, in witchcraft.

Although she is able to flash images that disturbs her victim, that is basically just an ability. The one that is exactly using hypnotism is Lelouch, who uses his geass to give direct commands. If C.C is been labelled as a witch by people here, why is Lelouch too not being labeled as a witch king?

Furthermore, Lelouch said that if C.C is a witch, then he will become a witch king. This shows that he is denying the fact that she is a witch, as he isn't a witch king in the first place. Thus, calling C.C a witch is tantamount to calling Lelouch a witch king. If this was true, why was the article about Lelouch did not claim that Lelouch is a witch king? C.C had forgotten everything, and only remembered that she had been called a witch. Thus, she believed that she was a witch, which may not be true. Claiming that C.C is a witch just becaused she believed that she was a witch, without further evidence in the series that she was exactly what some people claimed that she was a witch is definitely false.

Lastly, images were shown that C.C is lying in front of an altar in a church, bloodied and naked. She could be injured by people around her and sought refuge in a church. Although you may say she can be practising witchcraft at that point of time, there is nothing that has been revealed why was she lying there, bloodied and injured. My statement in being injured by people is could also not be true as there is nothing that has been said that she had been assaulted. My point in this sentence is, there is nothing that had been revealed during that point of time why C.C was lying there, bloodified and naked.

Thus, im removing the statement regarding that C.C is a witch as it is a baseless conclusion by another baseless conclusion and lack of proper evidence. Make a conclusion only when C.C has been revealed practising withcraft in the series.

ps: im not sure how to sign myself. please enlighten me.

2.22pm December 28 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.156.14.10 (talk) 06:24, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

You do make good point unfortunately your analyzation about Lelouch's response is wrong. You're failing to consider that Lelouch is infact praising C.C by saying that he would become a witch-king, yet warlock is the more suitable word, if she were a witch. Considering the labelling of witch has a negative connotation, Lelouch understands this yet claims that he will assume a title equal of that. Certainly by claiming this he is "degrading" himself so to speak yet because C.C. has done so much for him in terms of loyalty and granting him the power of the Geass then this is shown to be a sign of friendship and understanding than ridicule. It's rather on par with the saying "if you want her than you'll have to go through me". Fox816 (talk) 17:40, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I disagree with your counter-"analyzation".

I read it more like an affirmation that he believes in her humanity, if that's the right way to put it. I'm having trouble coming up with the right words here... Something like, "If you're bad, I don't want to be good," maybe. He is saying she is not a witch, she is a decent person who has gone through horrible things she does not deserve and he does not want to feel alone anymore. He realizes, "hey this person has been hunted and killed her entire life, and in-between she is desperately lonely or tortured in a lab. Maybe something supportive might be good, since she's sounding suicidal?"

Let's examine the evidence FOR being a witch:

1) She, a seemingly-immortal being who has been killed repeatedly and come back to life, was called a witch during a time when "witches" were hunted due to anything from bad crops to disease to failure in war

2) The wikipedia entry says she's a witch

Here's the evidence against:

1) She shows signs of being some form of extra-terrestrial life and apparently came from another civilization (during flashbacks you see many of her kind)

2) She displays characteristics of an alien or godlike being, but has never turned anyone into a newt (even temporarily)

3) She displays absolutely no characteristics traditionally associated with witches

4) There is absolutely no reason to believe she might be a witch besides the conclusion reached by mob rule during a time when hundreds of women were killed for allegedly being a witch

5) If she is in fact a witch by any normal definition, all her flashbacks are designed solely to confuse the viewer into believing she is not one. There's closeups of Jupiter, for instance, are just there to confuse you!

6) Witches have never, to my knowledge, been depicted as being capable of surviving beheading or being burned at the stake or shot in the head.

If she displays absolutely no characteristics of a witch, never performs witchcraft, has no apparent knowledge of witchcraft, never mentions any form of witchcraft, never attempts to cast a spell on someone, never makes potions, and basically would never ever be called a witch here or anywhere if not for her being called one by fearful dark-age mobs, how can she be a witch? If we're going to use an arbitrary designation, let's use "pentium 4". She's a pentium 4 from now on - although she displays no evidence of being one, I am calling her one, and there is now equal evidence of hearsay for her being either a pentium 4 or a witch. Since this is a more up-to-date information source, and we now know that witches don't exist, I don't think there can be any argument.

She is not a witch by any definition of the word, any more than Joan of Arc was a heretic.

Heck, I'll go on for a bit longer. I'm going to quote a subtitle from the very scene you're talking to that allegedly proves she's a witch. "C.C... This is... your..." "The only things that remain are my memories as a witch. I don't even remember whether I was originally a human or not. Nor do I remember the people who hate me, or the people who like me. Everything has disappeared in the flow of time. Within the endless flow of time... I... alone..." "You're not alone. We are accomplices. If you're a witch, I'll become a warlock." This is proof she's a witch? She is saying, I've forgotten all my past, I don't know who I am except for these memories of being burned at the stake, I've been alone my whole life, and I'll always be alone." His reply is, "You're not alone, I'm here. If they want to call you a demon, then for all I care they can call me the devil himself, because they're wrong." In other words, he is directly contradicting point-for-point everything she says. But in your mind, he's saying, "No you're not alone, but yes you're a witch. And although I can't possibly relate to you, since you drink the blood of children and turn people into frogs, ... Uh... uh... wait where was I going with this..."

I'm changing the page again to reflect the fact that she's not a witch. I'll check again in a week, if you have some kind of convincing rebuttal to this by all means let's hear it and settle this nonsense. Meanwhile I'm making the page accurate to the best of my knowledge based on having just watched the entire series this afternoon. 76.10.140.65 (talk) 03:07, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

The first two sentences of your response basically restated what I just said in a more confused manner more or less : e.g. "If your bad, then I don't want to be good" ...which is another way of saying what I was getting at. Lelouch doesn't come across as the type of person to feel sympathy for anyone, aside his sister. Your analysis is to general on the basic characteristics without taking into consideration the uniqueness of personality. This is also reflected in your general assumptions. Along with your leaning towards her being an alien, that's more far-fetched than her being a witch. Rather her "kind" are still human and I would side more that their civilization was ancient and practiced, or were gifted, with powers hence the Geass. To automatically assume she must be an alien based on super-natural powers is going to far. As in proof, if the series states explicity something significant to the character then we have to include it even if there are a lack of signs or is contradictory to basic understanding of such. C.C. says she has memories of a witch, or being called a witch...not an alien or whatever supernatural non-human label. Because of that, it must be noted. Anything else would be original research and removed. However I will side on a possible rephrasing so that it reflects it as a non-determinant. From the article right now, it's noted that she remembers referring herself to a witch which doesn't make the basic claim that she is one but summarizing her quote in the series. So far, it looks like it's been settled unless you want to make any additional changes making sure it remains within Wiki boundaries. Fox816 (talk) 03:42, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Where did this info come from?

C.C. appears to be in her teens, but she actually has been living for hundreds of years. (In a special feature included in the series' fifth DVD, she and Lelouch discuss Washington's Rebellion, during which she speaks of such people as George Washington and Benjamin Franklin as if she had been close friends with both.)

I bought the DVD without gettint this in the sp.

In the past, she appears to have observed Suzaku and Lelouch when they were both children, even interacted with Lelouch at one point - an event he doesn't remember even when the both of them are reunited years later.

Is it truth or just a fans' guess?

As for observation, see the The Black Rebellion DVD or episode 1: She is watching Suzaku and Lelouch at the time of the Brittanian invasion of Japan. Akata (talk) 14:49, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Altough I cant say anything about the first part of the Discussion about Washington and Franklin and meeting Lelouch. There are more than enough facts in the serie it self too support this. One of these things is that in the first episode you can see CC watching Lelouch and Suzake. And later on in the serie at episode 11 you see a flashback of her when Lelouch touches her. That flashback go's as far back to the Dark Ages. Justix-nl (talk) 00:34, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

nickname

I removed the nickname "Pizza Girl". She has never been called that at any place in the series. I have never heard Kallen call her that in any case. 86.10.76.240 (talk) 11:32, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

What about in episode 5 of R2? Kallen specifically said that she was coming to get the Pizza girl...NinjaRooster (talk) 05:01, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

immortal or not?

Is she mortal again? because I didn't see the Geass mark on her forehead

While we have no direct confirmation of her mortality, I believe that yes she is indeed mortal now that has lose her code.NobleServent2 (talk) 04:56, 31 July 2008 (UTC)NobleServent2

The official website is quite clear that she is mortal. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 05:08, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Aside from that, they made it explicitly clear in episode 16. Instead of healing right up when she got cut, they did a focused shot of her finger with a bandaid, making it clear that it wasn't rapid healing and that she wasn't immortal any longer.Westrim (talk) 06:05, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

In episode 16 C.c is seen with a ring. Any info?

... it's the bandaid, not a ringWestrim (talk) 02:22, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

She "sealed her code" and later on "released" it when confronted by marianne.

I imagine that thanks to Marianne, she is now immortal again. She was not immortal after she first confronted the Emperor and had lost her memories, but they have returned and appear to remain now that Lelouch has ascended to the throne (along with her memories and personality). the_one092001 (talk) 23:53, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

C.C. using Lelouch

Just wanted to point out a line that isn't true. This line: "However she claims that she has only been using Lelouch so that she can die." I think whoever wrote this misunderstood what happened in the episode where they reveal her wish. What actually happened was that she couldn't bring herself to make Lelouch immortal. This is also furthered by what happened in episode 21, when she had forsaken Ragnarok, instead choosing to live. Both points show that the above line is apparently incorrect. I am far from a good enough editor to make a substantial change to that, as explaining what she actually thought of Lelouch would be a bit complicated. I'd appreciate it if someone changed it for me.70.95.124.91 (talk) 12:45, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

That's why it's a claim, not a truth. It's OR to put this in the article, but she was saying that at the time to try to get him to back off so she wouldn't have to burden him with immortality. I'm not sure what you mean in the second half of your entry. Westrim (talk) 15:35, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

It makes sense if you put it that way, but it still seems kind of misleading, however minor. What I was saying in the second half of the entry is that I don't really know how to explain what C.C.'s current mindset regarding Lelouch is, I was basically asking someone to edit it for me, since someone like you could probably do a better job at it. Anyways, thanks for clearing that up. 70.95.124.91 (talk) 07:15, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

C.c's name. Was it mentioned in r2 25? or is there going to be another season? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.34.132.12 (talk) 14:42, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

They never tell us xD Bastards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.106.83.140 (talk) 07:11, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

c.c NAME

I KNOW CC REAL NAME! ON THE OFFICIAL WEBSITE SOME GUY LEAKED OR WHATEVER THAT IT WAS Cecaniah Corabelle!!!!!!!!