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Peter Max Lawrence

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I am requesting that this article be deleted for several reasons listed below: 1. I have a very strong suspicion that Peter Max Lawrence not only created this article, but has been the only one maintaining it. If you look at the history (administrators can see IP addresses) almost all the names listed there like WhtPratphall, Pratphall, Verdequete, Waitformyturn are probably linked to the same IP address. These "users" also have no userpages, and therefore, makes me think they are just aliases of Peter's to promote himself on Wikipedia. Almost -ALL- the links go to his own website and Paper Waster Press is also his company. Wikipedia is NOT a RESUME website. 2. Peter Max Lawrence logged on as Waitformyturn was the one who removed my initial request for deletion from this page. This is why I have now submitted it for debate by other Wikipedia users. I am sure I will find more aliases of Peter's on here defending himself, and would like honest Wikipedia users to intervene. 3. In the history section Peter Max Lawrence logged on as Waitformyturn also slanders a student at the San Francisco Art Institute by putting a link to his myspace page. I assume he is blaming this person for the problems he is experiencing on Wikipedia. He also has slandered other users who have made comments on this talk page under the name "Roberta Soltea" and wrote a lengthy open letter to one of the users about how "Roberta Soltea" is a real person. I removed that nonsense from the talk page. 4. Basically this article is causing a lot of problems on here and more importantly, it is completely, a self-made vanity article and should be deleted. Modestprotest (talk) 20:36, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Concern with Modestprotest: This seems to have been a fairly easy edit on a mostly uncontroversial matter. Why is it that one individual is making so many claims based on blind assumptions that revolve around several anonymous users including the accuser. If the artist still wants the page down after it has been brought up to compliance, that is their prerogative. I'm not a frequent user of this site and my edits may be imperfect. I would appreciate if a more avid user could clean up any mistakes.Neutralsutures (talk) 23:45, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
User:Neutralsutures has been blocked for sockpuppetry. Dreadstar † 01:44, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • →Comment: That's pretty funny "Neutralsutures". "Why is it that one individual is making so many claims based on blind assumptions that revolve around several anonymous users including the accuser." Coming from an anonymous user like yourself. Pretty sure you are Peter Max Lawrence again because no one else has been updating his page but him, oh and also, you have no other history besides updating this article and just creating this account today. I'll have to add this name too to the open sockpuppet case.Modestprotest (talk) 23:55, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • UPDATE: Sockpuppet case against Petermaxlawrence is now closed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Petermaxlawrence. All of the aliases WhtPratphall, Pratphall, Waitformyturn, and Neutralsutures show "the pattern of behavior and edits from the other accounts are sufficiently similar to establish disruptive sockpuppetry" and have been blocked indefinitely, including Petermaxlawrence. I hate to toot my own horn, but, turns out my suspicions were validated. And because of this action, can we now get back to the discussion of deleting this account?Modestprotest (talk) 15:02, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • DISPUTING THESE ACCUSATIONS: Hello, there is no valid rationale for requesting the deletion of this bio page by anyone other than the artist. Inaccuracies can simply be, and appear to have already been, edited according to facts. Given my research into the minimum criteria for authorized biographies on Wikipedia, this profile meets all required standards. FACTS: Peter Max Lawrence is an internationally exhibited artist (contesting to what scale would be completely subjective), Peter Max Lawrence has work in numerous private collections, and works by Peter Max Lawrence have graced the covers of two Darren Smith novels, both of which have been ISBN coded, both of which are available via Amazon.com, Borders, and Barnes & Noble. This final point alone argues the validity of a biography for this particular artist, though other relevant points have been posted above by both Schmidt and freshacconci. REGARDING THE ISSUES OF IDENTITY, EDITING AND AUTHORSHIP: This entry has existed for over 18 months and has only been contested by a few individuals, i.e. less than five, among millions of daily Wikipedia users. Clearly, as they themselves have admitted, the parties contesting and complaining about this particular Wikipedia entry have some personal relationship to, and/or familiarity with the artist. This alone seems to present a conflict of interest with their position regarding the validity of this page. While it is obvious that actual persons have rights to edit and contest content on Wikipedia, it appears that the only person in this entire conflict arena who has readily identified themselves to date is in fact Peter Max Lawrence. Accusations regarding identity made by anonymous sources are, by both common sense standards and in any court of law, self-nullifying. CONCLUSION: Since some of the contesting parties have already admitted to some personal familiarity with both Peter Max Lawrence, artists cross-referenced on this page, and SFAI faculty, their actions seem to have no agenda other than that of a personal vendetta. For those who claim to hold such high regard for the standards set by Wikipedia, it's funny they would use the same forum to pursue such an agenda. I would recommend that this page, as well as sources and names cited on it, be checked by identifiable third parties with no relationship to the artist. I regret that I do not find myself in such a position, as I am a personal friend of the artist, posting here only to call attention to the absurdity of such complaints. Jonsajda (talk) 22:59, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This is the user's first edit--Jonsajda (talk · contribs · logs) Dlohcierekim 23:07, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: It's so funny and telling how the comment after "Jonsajda" is by an admin that says "This is the user's first edit". Honestly, I don't care how notable or not notable Peter Max Lawrence is. The point is this: he has tried over and over again to circumvent Wikipedia policy by making fake names (sockpuppets) to disrupt this deletion arbitration and continue to make edits to his own article, which is HIGHLY discouraged by the Wikipedia community. The fact that all of these names have been blocked only prove that he is trying to go around rules that make Wikipedia a legitimate site. Oh and one more thing: I had to open up ANOTHER sockpuppet case against Petermaxlawrence with the name "Blastina" to point out efforts to edit the article... the same exact edits that were attempted by Neutralsutures, in which he got blocked for.Modestprotest (talk) 23:21, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You really seem to be on a crusade here. This has lost all relevance to the subject at hand in this discussion- whether or not the subject is sufficiently notable to have an article here. He may or may not. I say "delete"; DGG says "keep." Which is pretty unsurprising. Your continual commenting about the evils of other editors in this discussion are not germane and are in fact disruptive. I would strongly suggest that you take a break from making irrelevant comments here. You don't care about the notability of the subject? Fine, please take it elsewhere. Dlohcierekim 23:34, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I apologize. I got wrapped up in the sockpuppet cases and thought they should be mentioned here. I realize that I should not have done that and that it's irrelevant. Will take a break and let this process take its course.Modestprotest (talk) 23:52, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I don't see this as meeting WP:BIO. No real assertion of meeting WP:BIO in the article. No adequate sourcing in the article. The links listed above by Schmidt are not significant, non-trivial coverage. No Google book or scholar hits. Has not recent significant recognition. Dlohcierekim 23:26, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It is interesting to note that Modestprotest (talk · contribs · logs) has made no edits beyond this discussion and the related campaign against the sock puppets of Petermaxlawrence. Dlohcierekim 23:42, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Since I have already been accused of being an identity-alias by the anonymously posting Modestprotest, who has also gone so far as to open a sockpuppet case against me after my very first comment (which is absurd), I am going to go ahead and clear the record, as with my original post, that I am actually a real person, associate of the artist, and will make a claim here and now that Modestprotest seems to be nothing more than a vindictive student at the San Francisco Art Institute who has a personal grievance against Peter Max Lawrence and is using the Wikipedia site to pursue a personal attack against the artist. If this is not the case, my apologies in advance, but for the sake of clarity, accuracy, and honest transparency, I ask Modestprotest to cite how they first encountered this Wikipedia page, how it is that they are familiar with artists, students, and faculty at SFAI (to the point of speaking with an SFAI faculty, which was admitted in an earlier comment), to further reveal their actual identity and why they are pursuing this attack when there are an infinite number of cases on Wikipedia that challenge the criteria for biographical postings. I can find no other cases that Modestprotest appears to be pursuing on Wikipedia. I am open to discussing whether or not this page should continue to exist by criteria standards (and as an associate of the artist, have been requested to assist with its removal), but I'm not about to do that with an anonymous poster who appears to have a very vindictive and personal agenda here.Jonsajda (talk) 01:42, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Reply: Jonsajda, please see the Wikipedia definition of "meatpuppet". It is different. Thank you. Modestprotest (talk) 02:06, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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