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Origins

This URL has a conflicting version of the origins of the article and in particular the location and identity of the author. It seems the Wikipaedian who has submitted this brief article has looked at but one source and there are currently over 350,000 references to it online. I suggest your Wikipaedian do a bit more research. http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~elf/hack/realmen.html

Ed Post, Graphic Software Systems, P.O. Box 673, 25117 S.W. Parkway, Wilsonville, OR 97070. Copyright (c) 1982 -- But note footnote 9 "Datamation, July, 1983, pp. 263-265." and my comments in the next subsection section. --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 11:02, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

paper that surfaced in Bedford unsigned

For those of you who read this and and don't know the old way that email addressed were formed was right to left (the opposite way to the way people are used to today) So fu@bar would be bar!fu and if the email was relayed to the recipient each leg of the path would be added on to the address, (so a reply could be routed back) therefore if an email went through a couple of servers called punch and judy the address would be judy!punch!bar!fu (see UUCP for mail routing)

A version of this essay was published in NJW/SOFT/2/84, That version came with the section called Acknowledgement that contained the following:

I would like to thank Jan E., Dave S., Rich G,. Rich E., for their help in characterising the Real Programmer. Kathy E, for putting up with it, and ATD!AVEDS' MARK for the initial inspiration.

And another line tagged on the end added by another person.

[DEC hacker note] This came from a paper that surfaced in Bedford unsigned. The author apparently is a Unix hacker (note the node name.) Does anyone know where It came from?

Here is a source (http://www.hermanmol.nl/herman/realpgmr.htm by Steve Woodford - May 14. 1987) that mentions some of this information.

This source also mentions the DEC hacker. It also carries footnotes that was not in the photocopy of the NJW version I saw, but note footnote 9 "sdcarl!lin, "Real Programmers", UUCP-net, Thu Oct 21 16:55:16 1982" which is before the publication date of "Datamation, volume 29 number 7, July 1983." which suggests that at least some of this was doing the rounds earlier than the Datamation and may have been on the usenet.

Now the publication date the NJW (Feb 84) is later than Datamation, volume 29 number 7, July 1983, and it may be that they published a copy that someone had made of the Datamation article, but it is also possible that the Datamation article was also a copy of the "paper that surfaced in Bedford unsigned". Which is not to say that the author was not written by Ed Post, just that it is not as clear as this article makes out where it first surfaced. --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 11:02, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A search of the web on sdcarl!lin returns a number of hits including this one from there one can to view profile which returns this and in that list is Real Programmers net.jokes Oct 23 1982

Real programmers don't wear neckties.
Real programmers don't wear high heeled shoes.
Real programmers arrive at work in time for lunch.

A search of that news group net.jokes returns more prototypes:

Oct 17 1982, 8:34 am By avsds:mark

Real Programmers use the front panel switches on the machine to toggle in UNIX (from memory) first thing in the morning before starting work.
Real Programmers know that thumping the terminal usually causes the computer to respond quicker, when there are several hundred users on the system.
Real Programmers write compilers which leave the user waiting until right at the end of a 1/2 hour compile before admitting that there was an error on the first line.
Real (Computer Graphics) Programmers carry great hefty magnets around with them to demagnetize graphics tablets, and then wonder why their express service bank card doesn't work any more.

This is from COMPUTERWORLD (with a few local additions)

Real programmers can't spell quiche.

...

  • Nov 20 1984, 9:32 am by Matt Crawford repost of Source: usenet: utastro!nather, May 21, 1983 and a search there returns that utastro!nather was Ed Nather, Astronomy Dept., U. of Texas, Aus

--Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 12:41, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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