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How to deal with multiple articles in another language.

(moved from Multiple interlanguage links) --JonnyJD 22:06, 5 May 2007 (UTC) I'd like to fold both koryo and gendai budo into budo (all three are currently sub-stubs). But I can't because language "es" has different articles for gendai budo and koryo (and nothing at all for budo). While I can put both links in, all that shows up is the word "Espanol" twice; certainly not useful. I don't speak Spanish, and I don't know enough about Japanese martial arts to do anything useful like flesh out the articles. Do I just let it sit? --Andrew 14:23, Apr 20, 2004 (UTC)

Gendai Budo and koryu budo link to each other anyway, so maybe you could just link to whichever you feel is the most relevant. People following that link will easily be able to get to the other one once they are at es:. Or perhaps something needs to be written at es:budo and we could link to that. I'm not sure if the Spanish Wikipedia have a page for requests like that, but you could at their café. Angela. 19:36, Apr 20, 2004 (UTC)

What is one supposed to do when several articles in one language correspond to a single article in another? Zemleroi (ru.wikipedia.org) Oct 24, 2005

Don't link either one of them because it will create a Wikipedia:Interwiki linking conflicts conflict so that no bot can figure out how to add interwikilinks. --JonnyJD 22:03, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

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I noticed that X (anime) has two interlanguage links to Français. The problem is that the English article covers the X anime television series, movie, and manga, while the French wikipedia appears to have seperate articles on the Manga and Anime. However, only the name of the language appears on-screen, resulting in a very confusing set of interlanguage links. What is the correct way to deal with this situation? - RedWordSmith 18:53, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I see that User:Topbanana/Reports/This article links more than once to another wikipedia says to pick one and go with it. I guess that's what I'll do. - RedWordSmith 02:41, Nov 26, 2004 (UTC)

I have another opinion: The English article Sugar substitute both handles artificial supersweeters such as Sucralose, but also sugar alcohols. The German Wikipedia has two separate articles for that. It would be a loss of information if en-Wikiusers were detained access to both articles. Of course it would be best if the articles in the Wikipedias were synchronized, then there wouldn't be any such problems. --Abdull 20:00, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Interwiki cleanup for bots

I have some interwiki link-related questions on Wikipedia talk:Bots. The User:Pearle bot will be doing interwiki and category link cleanup on articles which it has some other reason to edit. Your comments are requested. Thanks. -- Beland 00:53, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Interwiki-Link-Checker

As you might now, there are lots of articles in en:Wikipedia which have the same name as articles in other Wikipedias, but are not linked by an Inter-Wiki-Link (e.g. en-de: ~5600 articles, en-sv: ~3800 articles, as of last month).

These articles have been listed for many language combinations by de:Benutzer:SirJective. But not all articles with identical names are about the same subject, so human work is needed to decide whether an Interwiki-Link can be automatically generated by a bot. In order to make this decision easy and comfortable, there is a brilliant tool called Interwiki-Link-Checker written by de:Benutzer:Flacus.

You might want to check the FAQ or just try it at http://www.flacus.de/wikipedia/Interwiki-Link-Checker/index-en.html.

Translations of the FAQ and the graphical user interface of the tool into some languages need to be done, too.

I hope that this is a goodplace to put this suggestion, but if any of you could put this text into an even better place, this would be great.

Thanks for your time and (maybe even) help, I can just invite you to try the tool, it's fun and you're reading (and editing) quite a lot of stuff you wouldn't stumble upon otherwise.

Cheers, --InterwikiLinksRule 19:03, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Links to pages that do not exist

> you can comment them out <

What does this mean? (Be tolerant: I've only been speaking English for about 55 years). -- Picapica 16:29, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

What order?

Why can't there be a small script that runs when you save a page to order them in a standardized way (which could be used across all language versions of Wikipedia)? It seems counterintuitive to alphabatize by the two letter code (since the reader only sees the names), and for contributors who don't know Japanese is Nihongo, they wouldn't have to. Halal 04:49, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

New Fodder for the Interwiki-Link-Checker

For those of you who have already used this brilliant tool: New data is available!
For example ~5000 new article pairs en-de, ~4000 pairs en-fr and so on... It's worth mentioning that through the help of dozens of users from different Wikipedias more than 30.000 new Interwiki links have been established during the last 3 month. Brilliantly done, everybody! But now it's time to go back to work again ;-).
The Interwiki-Link-Checker is waiting, please notice that Javascript again has to be disabled (see FAQ).

For those of you who are not familiar with this great tool: Check it out!
Detailed Information is given three sections further up, alternatively browse the FAQ or go straight to the Interwiki-Link-Checker page. (Remark:Javascript needs to be disabled, see FAQ)

Cheers --InterwikiLinksRule 23:08, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Just curious...

Is there any list, or can one be easily generated, that show which articles have the most Interlanguage links? ^BlankVerse 14:05, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Not the solution, but the most interlanguage-link article should be Wikipedia --manop 19:50, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Interlanguage links in Templates?

Is possible to make Interlanguage links in Templates? It is bad, because it adds and additional link in articles. But it could be usefull in traslation templates to wikipedias of other languages. Is there any solution? --Snek01 14:08, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Solution is to add <noinclude> </noinclude> --Snek01 14:39, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

What is the correct preferred order? Round 2

I'd like to revive this discussion, since I start noticing minor edits moving the order to and fro.

The poll seems to give an insignificant preference to the 2-letter code order. Are we waiting for software update, for automatic sorting? mikka (t) 22:42, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Interlanguage content is sometimes a partial match

One language wikipedia may have a large article with a number of discrete sections, while these sections may each equate to a seperate article in another language Wikipedia. This has come up at Anemoi (see the talk page), where inline interlangauge links have been proposed. At least two editors above have had similar problems. Perhaps a guideline would be useful here? ntennis 07:34, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I added the section Help:Interlanguage_links#Interlanguage_link_to_a_section.--Patrick 11:00, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

You should not add (normal) interwikilinks to sections, because it messes up the logical structure. The reason is: Bots automatically check which articles are connected to each other by following interwikilinks. They set all missing interwikilinks corresponding to that. If one article is connected to two articles in another language over the links (over several hops), then we have a conflict and the bot can't automatically set the links. Sometimes it still works out, because there is only one article for one section at the moment. This can change quite fast and there is no easy way to check this due to the recursive linking between many languages over many hops.

Therefore you should only put interwikilinks when the topic covered is the same and not only partial. You can put inline links instead, as these aren't covered by bots, but you should consider if it is worth it. Having too many foreign links in an article isn't a good concept. -- JonnyJD 12:24, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

It is not quite satisfactory that bots restrict what refinements can be done manually. Perhaps bots should ignore interlanguage links to sections: they are put in the case that there is no whole article on the subject. If a separate article is created later the worst thing that can happen is that the bot creates also an interlanguage link to the new article, which is not a problem but a useful indication that the manual section link can be manually removed, after manually confirming that it is no longer needed.--Patrick 13:39, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

You are right. That isn't satisfactory. But it's a fact at this time and we have to cope with it. What you are suggesting, is two kinds of interwikilinks. Automatically maintained and manually maintained ones. Actually, there is something similar. We have normal and inline interwikilinks. Well you can improve the way interwikilinks are handled by the software and the bots, but in my opionion we already have a nice tool here. It's not perfect, but we still have to do a lot of work to use the possibilities of that one. A more complex system would also be more error prone. And there is another thing we should consider: There isn't always a direct connection between articles. We shouldn't force one. And we also need the help of bots. There wouldn't be such a big number of interlanguage links everywhere without them. Actually, a lot of the times when you don't have that many languages, it is because of a conflict. That is why you shouldn' generate those conflicts directly. There are enough of them generated by moving articles and similar things. -- JonnyJD 15:54, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I see, thanks.--Patrick 10:23, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Cool, you wrote a section about that on the help page. And it is also nice and understandable, I like that. I would have written it way to complicated, I guess. :-) -- JonnyJD 12:10, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

* Applause *. Thanks guys! - ntennis 04:52, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Interlanguage link order (again)

According to Wikipedia:Language order poll ordering by "alphabet, based on local language" and "alphabet, based on two letter code" are by far the two most popular orders, with the later being marginally more popular, but there is certainly no consensus.

The problem is that I'm sure everyone would agree that it would be beneficial if there was a consensus, as we could then make the order consistent across articles.

I am therefore proposing that the guideline order becomes "alphabet, based on local language" as this is the most used due to the pywikibots sorting in that order. Although the other method of sorting was popular in the poll, it is less used, and it is about time we agreed properly which way we should all do it, for the benefit of all. The language orders can be seen at m:Interwiki sorting order. thanks, please say if you agree or disagree. Martin 21:30, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Please see http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2867 for a related sorting order discussion, and add your vote. --Yurik 18:54, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Interesting, but the devs don't seem too keen. Either way, if the software is going to automatically sort the links, we need to know which order first. thanks Martin 19:09, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

If we have automatic sorting then the decision could be based solely on a usability for the reader instead of having to care about what is easiest to edit and maintain. We still have to decide how English Wikipedia sorts them though. But there is no need for every user to know how they should be sorted anymore then. Jeltz talk 15:38, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Where to report a problem with interlang. link title (Turkmen)?

I described what is wrong with the Turkmen link title at Talk:Turkmen language#Wikipedia interlanguage link title is wrong. I don't know who should fix it. Could you please report it to the right place.--Imz 23:41, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

How many articles from non-English wiki are have equivalents on English wiki?

A question I asked at WP(A) - perhaps you know the answer? Please post there.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 21:24, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Merge with Wikipedia:Interwikimedia link?

It seems to me that both pages are on a very similar topic, why not merge them? Please discuss it here.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 21:24, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Images

Will these work with images? Wizrdwarts (T|C|E) 00:21, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Indonesian and Malaysian interlanguage links...

To any bot operators or anyone who does not know already: The word Bahasa in Bahasa Indonesia (id), Bahasa Malaysia (ms), Bahasa Jawa (jw), etc. means only language. That's why I don't like to see these languages sorted under B in the interlanguage link order. Considering that almost every language has the word "language" in it, we should not sort any of them under L or B for that matter. (On the main page or anywhere). Thanks! - GilliamJF 06:08, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

"Foreign Categories"

Justa quickie, hopefully in close to the right place. How do I make a French Wiki page appear in an English language category?

Railwayfan2005 23:28, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Specificity

Should an interlanguage link only point to an article whose title corresponds precisely, or to the article which most nearly overlaps the topic, or somewhere in-between?

I was surprised to find that bots are being used to remove interlanguage links which would be useful to foreign-language readers—for example, in this edit, a link from Fajr-3 to he:רקטת פג'ר and ru:Фаджер ("Fajr", which covers the closely-related Fajr-3 and Fajr-5 rocket launchers) was simply removed. The bot's admin informed me that this is standard procedure, but this guideline is vague on the subject, saying only that interlanguage links point "to the same subject". —Michael Z. 2006-11-24 21:10 Z

Links to deprecated Wikipedias

Should ILLs to frozen, read-only projects such as mo: (Cyrillic Moldovan) be included or not? -- Jao 12:28, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Propagation of errors by bots

This help page says "The downside is that an error in an interlanguage link in one Wikipedia propagates to other Wikipedias. Thus if a bot produces a wrong result one may have to search for the underlying error in another language version of Wikipedia." I have some questions:

1. How does one know which is the "underlying error". Does one have to search ALL the languages which are linked?

2. What does one do if one does not read all the linked languages. I recently noticed an article which linked to articles in French, German, Spanish and Italian, all of which I read well enough to be certain that the target articles are irrelevant; and also linked to Bulgarian and Korean which I cannot read at all. I discussed this with the (Dutch) bot operator and we eventually got it fixed, but at one point he thought that the error was propagated from Bulgarian which neither he nor I can read. So how does one fix an error in a language one cannot read at all??

3. Is there a tool to speed up the checking? Perhaps if one could display the article titles in all the languages together? Dirac66 19:26, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

1. If you are not somehow very lucky, you have to check ALL.

2. Most of the time you kind of realize what the basic mistake is that was made through linking. When you have some understanding of the important buzz words, after reading some of the articles you understand and are looking at sections, pictures etc., then you can have a good guess what should be different. (i.e. you can see if an article is about a city, or just the most famous building) That's the way I do it when I have time to. It really gets difficult when it comes to letters you can't read. (I can read kyrillian stuff, but Chinese is beyond me..) But even then you can have a look at some numbers, pictures and also on some outgoing links (which have translations again). Altogether this is a very interesting task, but also very time consuming. Some of them are tricky because of the topic itself (like Kebap, this would be a BIG project), but there are also simple ones.

3. I use the IW-fixer. It doesn't do any change on its own at the moment, but it really helps to have an overview over all the connected pages and you can sort them into groups quite well. You have to do ALL the changes on your own (even if that is supposed to be done by the IW-fixer bot, sometime), but you get lost without this tool as an overview.

I hope this helps. I would like to help more with the links, but unfortunately I don't have time for it anymore. -- JonnyJD 22:45, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

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