Talk:Real Programmers Don't Use Pascal

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Origins

This URL has a conflicting version of the origins of the article and in particular the location and identity of the author. It seems the Wikipaedian who has submitted this brief article has looked at but one source and there are currently over 350,000 references to it online. I suggest your Wikipaedian do a bit more research. http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~elf/hack/realmen.html

Ed Post, Graphic Software Systems, P.O. Box 673, 25117 S.W. Parkway, Wilsonville, OR 97070. Copyright (c) 1982 -- But note footnote 9 "Datamation, July, 1983, pp. 263-265." and my comments in the next subsection section. --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 11:02, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

paper that surfaced in Bedford unsigned

For those of you who read this and and don't know the old way that email addressed were formed was right to left (the opposite way to the way people are used to today) So fu@bar would be bar!fu and if the email was relayed to the recipient each leg of the path would be added on to the address, (so a reply could be routed back) therefore if an email went through a couple of servers called punch and judy the address would be judy!punch!bar!fu (see UUCP for mail routing)

A version of this essay was published in NJW/SOFT/2/84, That version came with the section called Acknowledgement that contained the following:

I would like to thank Jan E., Dave S., Rich G,. Rich E., for their help in characterising the Real Programmer. Kathy E, for putting up with it, and ATD!AVEDS' MARK for the initial inspiration.

And another line tagged on the end added by another person.

[DEC hacker note] This came from a paper that surfaced in Bedford unsigned. The author apparently is a Unix hacker (note the node name.) Does anyone know where It came from?

Here is a source (http://www.hermanmol.nl/herman/realpgmr.htm by Steve Woodford - May 14. 1987) that mentions some of this information.

This source also mentions the DEC hacker. It also carries footnotes that was not in the photocopy of the NJW version I saw, but note footnote 9 "sdcarl!lin, "Real Programmers", UUCP-net, Thu Oct 21 16:55:16 1982" which is before the publication date of "Datamation, volume 29 number 7, July 1983." which suggests that at least some of this was doing the rounds earlier than the Datamation and may have been on the usenet.

Now the publication date the NJW (Feb 84) is later than Datamation, volume 29 number 7, July 1983, and it may be that they published a copy that someone had made of the Datamation article, but it is also possible that the Datamation article was also a copy of the "paper that surfaced in Bedford unsigned". Which is not to say that the author was not written by Ed Post, just that it is not as clear as this article makes out where it first surfaced. --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 11:02, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]