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This is an archive of discussions from Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals for the month of May 2008. Please move completed May discussions to this page as they are closed, add discussion headers to each proposal showing the result, and leave incomplete discussions on the Proposals page. After May, the remainder of the discussions will be moved to this page, whether stub types have been created or not.

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Stub proposers please note: Items tagged as "nocreate" or "no consensus" are welcome for re-proposal if and when circumstances are auspicious.

Netball biography stubs

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Due to a recent proliferation of articles on ANZ Championship players, there may now be enough articles in Category:Netball biography stubs to warrant two subcategories (with templates):

Despite the rapid creation of a lot of short stubs, I think these articles still meet notability requirements under WP:ATHLETE, particularly since almost all of these articles relate to players in the ANZ Championship. These two subcategories will leave only about ten or so articles in the current stub category, which I hope isn't a problem. Cheers. – Liveste (talk • edits) 04:26, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Support - and yes, they definitely meet notability requirements. The main reason for this upswing in article numbers is the creation of the new WikiProject Netball. Grutness...wha? 07:41, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Support. Near-emptying the parent isn't a problem here, since it'd be a perfectly logical "container" for its subtypes, even if it had no articles at all. Alai (talk) 12:59, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

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Category:New Zealand politics stubs

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As Kathleen.wright5 points out, {{NewZealand-poli-stub}} now links to 60 articles; 40 more under Category:New Zealand stubs would qualify as well. I suggest we speedy create the category. Her Pegship (tis herself) 21:54, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

And the rest... I just added 90 to it from the main NZ stub category. Grutness...wha? 00:36, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

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Bengali language films

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{{Bengali-film-stub}}

1. The stub does not exist already.

2.There are a large number of articles (more than 30) that need this stub category. Many of such articles are at present categorised under Category:Indian film stubs.

3. Category:Indian film stubs already has several similar sub-stub categories, such as Category:Hindi-language film stubs, Category:Kannada-language film stubs, Category:Telugu-language film stubs etc.--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:59, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

4.Upmerging not needed. This category now has 70 stubs. Kathleen.wright5 13:49, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

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Outdoor pursuits

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Category:Outdoor-pursuits-stubs I am trying to find a suitable stub category for the Tinderbox article - it seems like it might be of interest to those involved in outdoor pursuits such as camping, but I can't find a stub category like this. Nor can I find anything suitable for firemaking articles, or anything appropriate under science (e.g. combustion reactions), sports, leisure (e.g. camping) or history (e.g. making fire with flint). The best I could find was explosives, but that doesn't really seem right. If anyone can suggest something then I would be very grateful, but I wonder whether this stub category might be worth considering. Leevclarke (talk) 23:22, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

  • I'm not really convinced on the proposal, since "outdoor pursuits" covers such a wide subject matter it may not be really useful. As to Tinderbox, I've given it {{tool-stub}} for now, though that's probably not a brilliant description of it. Anyone else suggest a better stubtype for it? Grutness...wha? 02:19, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

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Burmese-geo subdivisions

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I've already created Category:Kachin State geography stubs; Category:Ayeyarwady Division geography stubs and Category:Mandalay Division geography stubs are now viable too, on the basis of usages of the upmerged templates, which I only recently actually got around to creating. (Parent was lately oversized, though is currently back down below 800.) Alai (talk) 06:12, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Speedy Support any over 60.Waacstats (talk) 20:56, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Fixed cats names from erroneous "Districts", to correct "Divisions". My bad. Alai (talk) 22:37, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

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{{child-fantasy-novel-stub}} / Category:Children's fantasy novel stubs

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Category:Children's novel stubs is over 600 strong; this sub-cat would siphon off at least 88 items. I think upmerged templates {{child-sf-novel-stub}} and {{child-hist-novel-stub}} might be useful as well, although neither has yet hit 60. Her Pegship (tis herself) 03:51, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Support for all of the above. Waacstats (talk) 20:53, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

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{{Australia-radio-bio-stub}}

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There are at least 36 articles in Category:Radio people stubs for Australian radio presenters so I propose this template to be upmerged to both Category:Radio people stubs and Category:Australian people stubs. - Dravecky (talk) 08:29, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

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Category:Michoacán geography stubs

After creating 32 Mexican geo-stub templates per the to-do list then an exciting few days restubbing most of the 850ish articles, I've found that 71 articles use {{Michoacán-geo-stub}} so I'm proposing this new category to go under Category:Mexico geography stubs. Also, we should keep an eye on both {{Tamaulipas-geo-stub}} (currently at 50) and {{Veracruz-geo-stub}} (currently at 53). - Dravecky (talk) 08:01, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

fits the pattern of Speedy Waacstats (talk) 08:06, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Category:Asian business biography stubs

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As with the journos below so to with the Business bios. Speedy. Waacstats (talk) 12:31, 7 May 2008 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

Category:Asian journalist stubs

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Template was on to do list from May 06 but not category. Template has over 60 articles so do we speedy. Waacstats (talk) 10:31, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes we do, and the above one as well. Alai (talk) 13:25, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

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More Album splits

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Missing from Alai's efforts below is Category:1990s heavy metal album stubs which reached oversized today. I suggest

I have no figures for these but both feel viable having sorted the parent cats. So templates first, categories if they reach 60. Waacstats (talk) 10:44, 6 May 2008 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

{{Seoul-geo-stub}}

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The Seoul-related-geographical stubs are currently sorted under {{SouthKorea-geo-stub}}, which has more than 500 stubs, so it is hard to manage the large number of the stubs and to sort out Seoul only from the big category. The Seoul geographical articles are estimated over 300 (mostly "dong" or neighborhoods stubs). --Appletrees (talk) 12:11, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

  • 500's not huge by stub-sorting standards (we usually split at 800), but this one is worth considering at least. Given that there are 16 Administrative divisions of South Korea (which is how we'd normally split a geo-stub up), one of which is Seoul, a {{Seoul-geo-stub}} does sound reasonable. It may actually be worth having all 16 templates, and upmerging all those that don't reach 60 stubs. (Take that as a support) Grutness...wha? 00:08, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
    • To make things easier, I say almost of all articles with "-dong" and "-gu" suffix in Category:Gu of Seoul which also has 25 subcategories are stubs pertaining {{Seoul-geo-stub}}
Examples: Category:Dong of Jung-gu, Seoul, Category:Dong of Jung-gu, Seoul--Appletrees (talk) 01:02, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

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{{CzechRepublic-castle-stub}}

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A bit of retroactive proposing here, as while working through the to-do list I found that {{Czech-castle-stub}} had been awaiting creating since January 2008 and that all of the other Czech Republic stubs included "Republic" as above. So I boldly created {{CzechRepublic-castle-stub}} and restubbed the 28 or so that I could find. (There should be a few more, per the original nomination, but they weren't tagged with {{CzechRepublic-struct-stub}} so they were not readily apparent.) I mention this here so when {{CzechRepublic-castle-stub}} is "discovered" that it shows up as having been proposed even though the original approved proposal was for {{Czech-castle-stub}}. - Dravecky (talk) 10:13, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Yup, it should indeed have been with the Republic part of the name added. ISTR there were various shifts of templates and categories due to the whole "Czech Republic/Czechia" kerfuffle a year or two back, so that probably confused the issue a little. Grutness...wha? 11:29, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

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Category:2000s black metal album stubs

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The Category:2000s metal album stubs are oversized (sensing a pattern here?), and Category:2000s black metal album stubs would have 61 articles, by my categorywise count. Alai (talk) 00:23, 6 May 2008 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

{{Korean-sports-stub}}

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{{Korea-footyclub-stub}} can't cover the whole Korea-sports-related stubs, so I propose the stub template be made. --Appletrees (talk) 12:57, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

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{{France-road-stub}} / Category:France road stubs

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Per this discussion, may we create this type to replace {{Streets of Paris-stub}}, which is not formatted according to current guidelines and which needs to be upmerged as undersized. Thanks. Her Pegship (tis herself) 18:27, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Definitely a template (speediably, in fact), and the usual "when there are 60" for the category - not that that should be much of a problem in this case. Grutness...wha? 00:53, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

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{{Syriac-people-stub}}

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131 articles in category Syriac people. At least 60 articles related to syriac people will fit that tag. AramaeanSyriac (talk) 23:13, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

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{{Indonesia-airport-stub}}/Category:Indonesian airport stubs

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I propose the creation of the above stub - Speedy creation - S1. More than 60 articles in an upmerged template. The above has 61. There are also categories for India, Pakistan, PRC China, Russia and Turkey. Kathleen.wright5 09:15, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Template, what template? Seems speediable anyway, though. Alai (talk) 14:03, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

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Category:Near-Earth asteroid stubs

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I realize this is somewhat laughable given the size of the Category:Asteroid stubs problem, but I think the above additional subtype should be just about viable, based partly on categorisation, and partly on aphelion and perihelion data. A large chunk of could also be moved into the existing Category:Main Belt asteroid stubs on similar bases, but that's also significantly oversized, and would eventually end up almost as large.

The root difficulty is that these were created without any useful categories, not bothering to use the already-available more specific stub types, and missing key data from their infoboxes that we'd normally hope to use to re-sort them. Indeed, they do nothing to assert notability at all, and their own "reference" is a db query to an online catalogue. Such discussion as there was about whether mass-creating these at all seems to have been inclusive, at best. So, my favoured option would be to delete or merge these, and string the creating bot-op and task requester up by their thumbs. Failing that, we may have to go with some "lumping" solution based on what little data we have available, such as the orbital parameters. Alai (talk) 00:26, 1 May 2008 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

'80s rock album subtypes

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Parent is oversized, unsurprisingly enough. Alai (talk) 18:16, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Hard rock would probably be of use on the oversized 1990s and 2000s as well (already have alt-rock and a proposed pop-rock for these decades. Waacstats (talk) 10:11, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

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Literary award stubs

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Looking at this list, there seems to be quite a few stub-sized literary award articles categorized either as Category:Award stubs or with no stub category at all. Perhaps it would be useful to create a literary award stub type? (Maybe as a subcategory of Category:Award stubs?) Ark'ay the Mortals' God (talk) 22:38, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

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Category:1990s thrash metal album stubs

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There are >60 articles that use both {{1990s-metal-album-stub}} and {{thrash-metal-album-stub}}, so I propose above category and {{1990s-thrash-metal-album-stub}}. Also as next category I attack will be the 2000s metal albums also propose {{2000s-thrash-metal-album-stub}}. Waacstats (talk) 07:59, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Strongly support both, at any desired speed. Alai (talk) 11:19, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Support SeveroTC 11:31, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Support with the spelling change I made to the proposed category (thrash instead of thrah [sic]). Caerwine Caer’s whines 21:54, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
1 proposer and 2 supports and it takes a forth person to spot the typo!, any way the {{2000s-thrash-metal-album-stub}} template has reached 54 working from Z back to P so I will create a matching category unless anyone has any complaints. Waacstats (talk) 08:39, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

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{{Norway-rail-stub}}/Category:Norwegian rail stubs

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Propose to create stub for rail transport in Norway based on S2. There are currently 231 articles in Europe rail stubs concerning Norway. Also, France, Germany, Luxembourg, United Kingdom, Poland, India, Japan, Malaysia, Korea, Mexico, United Stats and Canada have such nation-level stubs. Arsenikk (talk) 11:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

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{{Philippines-sport-bio-stub}} / Category:Filipino sportspeople stubs

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Haven't done an official count, but {{Philippines-basketball-bio-stub}} counts 55 while no other sportspeople template exists as of yet. Propose appropriate templates where needed.--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 18:52, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

No complaints here (Someone may want to check on Malaysia as well) 84.68.164.188 (talk) 21:07, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

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Two NRHP speedies

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The NE category is oversized, these two are immediately viable, and can now be un-upmerged. Alai (talk) 21:07, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

You beat me to it. Speedy Waacstats (talk) 21:49, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
I was a little boggled at the size of the new RI type. Not far off needing split itself! Alai (talk) 13:08, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
The lists of NRHP in Rhode Island are all blue links so I assume we have them all and that there should be little future growth. Waacstats (talk) 13:32, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Good spot. Our work there is done, then, assuming people are expanding the articles to non-stubs roughly as fast as they're making new ones! Alai (talk) 14:05, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

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Category:Cycling biography stubs split

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Following can at last be upmerged:

SeveroTC 23:44, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I think we can speedy upmerged templates for any country you deem worth the effort of the act of creating same, regardless of counts. We might want to consider a Category:European cycling biography stubs, sooner or later. (It'll be viable, the only question is, how much so will what's left be?) Alai (talk) 23:53, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking of continental level categories. The European category would still be large but it would take out a nice number of non-Europeans:
  • Oceania = a category of c.66 including the upmerged Australia- template (47)
  • South America = a category of c.80 including the upmerged Colombia- template (30)
  • North America = a category of c.35 including a US- subcat
  • Asia = c.40
  • Africa = c.20
SeveroTC 00:13, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Almost perfect: we'd have four new viable subcats, and a very reasonably-sized remainder parent. Only the NA one is at all marginal, but let's go for it anyway. Support all. Alai (talk) 00:26, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

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Speedy

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{{Azerbaijan-footy-bio-stub}} has 62 articles propose Category:Azerbaijani football biography stubs. Waacstats (talk) 13:24, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

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Let me draw your attention to Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/FritzpollBot, which in the first instance is going (it is proposed) to create a whole load of Afghan-geos, and thereafter much else besides. So I suggest that we, in the short term and the specific instance, create upmerged templates on a per-state basis, and in the longer term and in general, keep in front of the bot's progress as it tackles each country . (The bot-op seems to be willing to help keep us in the loop on this, but might not be too thrilled if he'd end up waiting for a week for each run.) Alai (talk) 23:40, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Speedy approval per bot approval discussion and to foster cooperation between stubbers & botters. Her Pegship (tis herself) 00:07, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Support - almost speedy - we should check there aren't any naming problems with Afghan provinces first, to get the template names as good as possible before the off. Grutness...wha? 00:53, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Looking at Category:Provinces of Afghanistan shows that these names are likely to be all OK (with Sar-e pol the only problem name - SarePol-geo-stub?). BUT - Afghanistan has 34 provinces and there are 38 categories! Clearly redirects are going to be needed for Bamyan/Bamian/Bamiyan, Nuristan/Nurestan, and Orūzgān/Uruzgan. Some CfD work is also needed. Grutness...wha? 01:05, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Template list: I made a list of templates. I checked them against the actual articles to use the current article name. For Oruzgan, I removed the special characters and used SarePol for Sar-e Pol.
  1. {{Badakhshan-geo-stub}}
  2. {{Badghis-geo-stub}}
  3. {{Baghlan-geo-stub}}
  4. {{Balkh-geo-stub}}
  5. {{Bamyan-geo-stub}}
  6. {{Daykundi-geo-stub}}
  7. {{Farah-geo-stub}}
  8. {{Faryab-geo-stub}}
  9. {{Ghazni-geo-stub}}
  10. {{Ghor-geo-stub}}
  11. {{Helmand-geo-stub}}
  12. {{Herat-geo-stub}}
  13. {{Jowzjan-geo-stub}}
  14. {{Kabul-geo-stub}}
  15. {{Kandahar-geo-stub}}
  16. {{Kapisa-geo-stub}}
  17. {{Khost-geo-stub}}
  18. {{Kunar-geo-stub}}
  19. {{Kunduz-geo-stub}}
  20. {{Laghman-geo-stub}}
  21. {{Lowgar-geo-stub}}
  22. {{Nangarhar-geo-stub}}
  23. {{Nimruz-geo-stub}}
  24. {{Nuristan-geo-stub}}
  25. {{Oruzgan-geo-stub}}
  26. {{Paktia-geo-stub}}
  27. {{Paktika-geo-stub}}
  28. {{Panjshir-geo-stub}}
  29. {{Parwan-geo-stub}}
  30. {{Samangan-geo-stub}}
  31. {{SarePol-geo-stub}}
  32. {{Takhar-geo-stub}}
  33. {{Wardak-geo-stub}}
  34. {{Zabul-geo-stub}}
Let me know if this is okay to create these. I can create them with the up-merged category. Thanks, Ganeshk (talk) 02:11, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I might have gone with {{Orūzgān-geo-stub}} with redirects from the other two, just to more closely follow the articlespace, but close enough for government work, given that the article lists all three. I certainly support speedy creation of all the above. Alai (talk) 03:35, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I'd support speedy creation of these, too - we can always worry about possible redirects from alternative names later. Grutness...wha? 03:46, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I have created the templates. Thanks, Ganeshk (talk) 02:13, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

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European school stubs by nation

Category:European school stubs is a oversized (325 articles at present), suggest splitting to national level (eg. {{Norway-school-stub}} which has over 30 candidates), and upmerging where appropriate. (possibly speediable under S2) -- Ratarsed (talk) 11:59, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Please don't say 325 articles is oversized: have you seen the size of the backlog of stub types that are over 800?  :) I certainly support speedying any national upmerged templates you fancy whatsoever. Bear in mind that the threshold for separate "un-upmerged" categories is 60, however. Alai (talk) 13:05, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I can't say I've come across many stub cats over 200 articles, to be honest; mind you, my main interest is in the categorisation of school cats. I was aware at the 60 articles to make it's own category, and would obviously respect that (the figure for Norway was from stub sense for those marked as both {{Norway-stub}} and {{Euro-school-stub}}; I thought there were more than that though, from my stub-sorting in Category:School stubs and children. Which reminds me, Is there a precedent for dealing with stubs in Oceania and the Caribbean? It seems that whilst the major countries are represented, it might be worth doing "something" to move them into Continental categories maybe? -- Ratarsed (talk) 15:01, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Stroll on over to WP:WSS/T and be appalled, then. :) The schools have been oversized (as in over 800) in the past, but are clearly being wrassled under control these days. Just checking about the 60, given your mention in passing of 30, pardon my over-zealousness. We've certainly had categories for both Oceania and the Caribbean in the past (and have them at present), so no reason that couldn't be looked at here, too. Per-country upmerged templates preferred, however. Alai (talk) 21:49, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

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Remaining Californian counties: region?

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I recently noticed that we were missing a handful of the Californian counties, in the scheme we have to upmerge them to somewhat ad hoc regions. I came across this for Lassen, which for the moment I've just created upmerged to the parent. Looks like the whole NEern 'corner' is missing, though. Anyone have any bright ideas? Alai (talk) 14:06, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

support creating any missing county templates as for what to do with them?? Waacstats (talk) 21:01, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
The Shasta Cascade article lists several counties as part of that region, including Lassen. HTH, Her Pegship (tis herself) 21:48, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Created Category:Shasta Cascade geography stubs, three more templates, and repointed an additional four existing one to this more specific category. Alai (talk) 21:42, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

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Category:Thai museum stubs

Or "Thailand museum stubs", or "Museum in Thailand stubs", however we're mangling these this week. Viable at 80, parent is oversized. Alai (talk) 02:41, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Given that the Building and structure category would use Thai, I Support Category:Thai museum stubs and a rename of the Australian category is probably in order. Waacstats (talk) 10:56, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

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Category:Russian business biography stubs

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Not quite guaranteed to be viable at a category-base count of 59, but I'm sure there's another oligarch lurking around someplace. Parent is current oversized, though I'm sure resorting, especially to the writers, politicians and scientists, would take care of that. Alai (talk) 02:32, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Support There are bound to be a couple hiding in business-bio cats. Waacstats (talk) 10:51, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

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Split of "scientific" journals

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Firstly, notice that this has been rescoped to include all academic journals, which would be sensible enough, except that the old template and category are still in use for such, rather confusingly. In the medium-term this will require a rename, but since we probably want to keep the science type in use as such, I suggest as a first step that we create an Category:Academic journal stubs, and migrate as much of the content as possible to fresh subtypes or upmerged templates, so as to reduce the amount of double-handling we'll end up doing in the eventual rename. On which note, here's some by-permcat numbers:

No guarantees we don't have some overlap. Alai (talk) 02:30, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Having traipsed backwards and forwards between different sections of a university library while doing my Psych MSc, I can virtually guarantee it :) Grutness...wha? 02:52, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
sounds like a good plan and hopefully not too much overlap. Waacstats (talk) 10:50, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

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Split of Category:European sports venue stubs

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Following can be upmerged:

SeveroTC 21:22, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Support. and I think any other country people want to do should be ok. Waacstats (talk) 09:03, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. These won't take care of the excess in the short term, though. However, I believe a Category:European ice hockey venue stubs would be viable, and would do so. Alai (talk) 12:59, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Yes, articles matching Category:Ice hockey venue stubs and a) Category:European sports venue stubs = 60; b) recursive Category:European sports venue stubs = 114. SeveroTC 15:43, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Only problem there is that a number of the ice hockey venue articles are marked with a nation-sports-venue-stub which will still point to the euro cat. Waacstats (talk) 18:51, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
I imagined that might be the case, but the solution would be double-stubbing. In fact, I think a large number are already double-stubbed -- I'm speaking from vague memory here, don't hold me to it. (I think I crunched the numbers off last month's db dump, and I'm currently building the db for this month.) Though it may be that it doesn't actually resolve the "excess" issue, for that reason. Alai (talk) 20:37, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

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{{Sufism-stub}} or such like

(moved from talk page) I wanted to create a new stub template for sufism stubs. As I was unaware of the red tape involved I just went ahead and made a category Sufism stubs. It easily has hundereds of articles within its scope and is a much needed template for the development of Sufism related topics and the Sufism portal. The only consensus that was built on this template was on the Sufism talk page. Anyway, what is the appropriate way forward. Thanks--Shahab (talk) 15:45, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

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Ballad stubs

Category:Ballads has been subdivided at an exponential rate. On top of that music genre song categories have been subdivided for ballad profiling as well. So many genres have profiled ballads, that it lead to the creation of the subcategory Category:Ballads by genre. So many ballads have been profiled, that we need to make the template {{stub-ballad}}

Sample:

This ballad-related article is a stub.

--Roadstaa (talk) 22:46, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Actually, I think it would be {{ballad-stub}} or {{ballad-song-stub}}...if it flies. It looks like we have previously subdivided by music genre and then by "song" (see Category:Song stubs). Since ballads can belong to many genres, I think we should stick with the current song-stub sub-cats. Her Pegship (tis herself) 23:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
  • It would definitely be {{Ballad-stub}} or {{Ballad-song-stub}} - not {{Stub-ballad}} - but to be honest I'm not keen. The term Ballad has various slippery and vague definitions, even in music alone (ballads are primarily poems that tell stories). In music there are at least three different definitions of the term (one for rock, one for folk, and one for jazz). As such, any stub division into ballads and non-ballads is going to be problematical. Grutness...wha? 02:08, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
    • I understand my template nomenclature mistake. Also, ballads make up almost 50% of popular music. Thats one criterion that warrants a ballad stub category and template. --Roadstaa (talk) 18:06, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
      • That is exactly the problem. We already have a bunch of popular music stub types split up per genre and decade, but not musical form (you only find that in the classical music stubs). We don't split by the theme of the piece either, i.e. (in the case of ballads), songs that tell a story. We need to stick close to the current structure or we might as well give up on any structure. Her Pegship (tis herself) 21:09, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
      • Ironically, the fact that such a high proportion of songs are ballads might actually mitigate against there being a stub type. Such a broad split might not be much use in the long run, since it would instantly result in the need for extra splits. 50% of song stubs? That'd make a big category... Grutness...wha? 00:07, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

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Split of Togo-geo-stub

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A strange situation has come up with trying to split {{Togo-geo-stub}}. It seems that editors have gone on a mass-stub creating binge, but only for a few prectures in the Kara Region. Propose creating stub templates for all regions, and templates and categories for Category:Assoli Prefecture, Category:Bassar Prefecture, and Category:Doufelgou Prefecture.--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 21:52, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I support the by prefecture split, however the regions are the first level division so could we upmerge the relevent templates to regional categories. Waacstats (talk) 07:55, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
The 3 prefectures I linked to above all have above 60 stubs (one of them has nearly 200), so it seems less helpful to just dump 300+ stubs into one bigger category when we can split them more effectively.--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 11:47, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
sorry. I meant upmerging the other prefecture templates to regional categories. Waacstats (talk) 18:54, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

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Category:2000s hip hop single stubs

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2000s singles are oversized again, this would help somewhat, at 74. Lemme hear y'say "speediable on pattern of parent types!" Alai (talk) 18:08, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

As you say Speedy Waacstats (talk) 20:56, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

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