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This is an archive of discussions from Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals for the month of May 2008. Please move completed May discussions to this page as they are closed, add discussion headers to each proposal showing the result, and leave incomplete discussions on the Proposals page. After May, the remainder of the discussions will be moved to this page, whether stub types have been created or not.
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Netball biography stubs
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Due to a recent proliferation of articles on ANZ Championship players, there may now be enough articles in Category:Netball biography stubs to warrant two subcategories (with templates):
- Category:Australian netball biography stubs / {{Australia-netball-bio-stub}} (82 articles)
- Category:New Zealand netball biography stubs / {{NewZealand-netball-bio-stub}} (61 articles).
Despite the rapid creation of a lot of short stubs, I think these articles still meet notability requirements under WP:ATHLETE, particularly since almost all of these articles relate to players in the ANZ Championship. These two subcategories will leave only about ten or so articles in the current stub category, which I hope isn't a problem. Cheers. – Liveste (talk • edits) 04:26, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
- Support - and yes, they definitely meet notability requirements. The main reason for this upswing in article numbers is the creation of the new WikiProject Netball. Grutness...wha? 07:41, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
- Support. Near-emptying the parent isn't a problem here, since it'd be a perfectly logical "container" for its subtypes, even if it had no articles at all. Alai (talk) 12:59, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
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As Kathleen.wright5 points out, {{NewZealand-poli-stub}} now links to 60 articles; 40 more under Category:New Zealand stubs would qualify as well. I suggest we speedy create the category. Her Pegship (tis herself) 21:54, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
- And the rest... I just added 90 to it from the main NZ stub category. Grutness...wha? 00:36, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
- I'd been thinking this one might be close. Support. Grutness...wha? 00:26, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
- Speedy. I saw this come up on a "double-stubbing" count (or in this case, double-upmerged), but was fairly sure it'd already been proposed... Alai (talk) 03:07, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Bengali language films
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{{Bengali-film-stub}}
1. The stub does not exist already.
2.There are a large number of articles (more than 30) that need this stub category. Many of such articles are at present categorised under Category:Indian film stubs.
3. Category:Indian film stubs already has several similar sub-stub categories, such as Category:Hindi-language film stubs, Category:Kannada-language film stubs, Category:Telugu-language film stubs etc.--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:59, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
4.Upmerging not needed. This category now has 70 stubs. Kathleen.wright5 13:49, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
- Support per Indian films wp, and its creation in good faith. Her Pegship (tis herself) 19:49, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
- Upmerge, pending demonstration of an actually "large" number of stubs that would use this. Customary threshold is 60. Alai (talk) 23:11, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
- Support as upmerged type per Alai - though this seems academic, since Dwaipayanc seems to have created both the template and the category before proposing it here. The category may need SFD'ing if it doesn't get up to the required size. Grutness...wha? 00:36, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
- Hence my choice of tense and (grammatical) mood. If the creator consents to upmerger, though, we can skip that formality. Alai (talk) 03:06, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Outdoor pursuits
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Category:Outdoor-pursuits-stubs
I am trying to find a suitable stub category for the Tinderbox article - it seems like it might be of interest to those involved in outdoor pursuits such as camping, but I can't find a stub category like this. Nor can I find anything suitable for firemaking articles, or anything appropriate under science (e.g. combustion reactions), sports, leisure (e.g. camping) or history (e.g. making fire with flint). The best I could find was explosives, but that doesn't really seem right. If anyone can suggest something then I would be very grateful, but I wonder whether this stub category might be worth considering. Leevclarke (talk) 23:22, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
- I'm not really convinced on the proposal, since "outdoor pursuits" covers such a wide subject matter it may not be really useful. As to Tinderbox, I've given it {{tool-stub}} for now, though that's probably not a brilliant description of it. Anyone else suggest a better stubtype for it? Grutness...wha? 02:19, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Burmese-geo subdivisions
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I've already created Category:Kachin State geography stubs; Category:Ayeyarwady Division geography stubs and Category:Mandalay Division geography stubs are now viable too, on the basis of usages of the upmerged templates, which I only recently actually got around to creating. (Parent was lately oversized, though is currently back down below 800.) Alai (talk) 06:12, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- Speedy Support any over 60.Waacstats (talk) 20:56, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
- Fixed cats names from erroneous "Districts", to correct "Divisions". My bad. Alai (talk) 22:37, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
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Category:Children's novel stubs is over 600 strong; this sub-cat would siphon off at least 88 items. I think upmerged templates {{child-sf-novel-stub}} and {{child-hist-novel-stub}} might be useful as well, although neither has yet hit 60. Her Pegship (tis herself) 03:51, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- Support for all of the above. Waacstats (talk) 20:53, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
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There are at least 36 articles in Category:Radio people stubs for Australian radio presenters so I propose this template to be upmerged to both Category:Radio people stubs and Category:Australian people stubs. - Dravecky (talk) 08:29, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
- Speedy same. Alai (talk) 12:44, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
- Definitely, as it's been on the to-do list since July 2006. Her Pegship (tis herself) 20:52, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
After creating 32 Mexican geo-stub templates per the to-do list then an exciting few days restubbing most of the 850ish articles, I've found that 71 articles use {{Michoacán-geo-stub}} so I'm proposing this new category to go under Category:Mexico geography stubs. Also, we should keep an eye on both {{Tamaulipas-geo-stub}} (currently at 50) and {{Veracruz-geo-stub}} (currently at 53). - Dravecky (talk) 08:01, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
- fits the pattern of Speedy Waacstats (talk) 08:06, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
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As with the journos below so to with the Business bios. Speedy. Waacstats (talk) 12:31, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
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Template was on to do list from May 06 but not category. Template has over 60 articles so do we speedy. Waacstats (talk) 10:31, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
- Yes we do, and the above one as well. Alai (talk) 13:25, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
More Album splits
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The result of the debate was create upmerged templates.
Missing from Alai's efforts below is Category:1990s heavy metal album stubs which reached oversized today. I suggest
- {{1990s-death-metal-album-stub}} / Category:1990s death metal album stubs
- {{1990s-black-metal-album-stub}} / Category:1990s black metal album stubs
I have no figures for these but both feel viable having sorted the parent cats. So templates first, categories if they reach 60. Waacstats (talk) 10:44, 6 May 2008 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom
{{Seoul-geo-stub}}
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The Seoul-related-geographical stubs are currently sorted under {{SouthKorea-geo-stub}}, which has more than 500 stubs, so it is hard to manage the large number of the stubs and to sort out Seoul only from the big category. The Seoul geographical articles are estimated over 300 (mostly "dong" or neighborhoods stubs). --Appletrees (talk) 12:11, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
- 500's not huge by stub-sorting standards (we usually split at 800), but this one is worth considering at least. Given that there are 16 Administrative divisions of South Korea (which is how we'd normally split a geo-stub up), one of which is Seoul, a {{Seoul-geo-stub}} does sound reasonable. It may actually be worth having all 16 templates, and upmerging all those that don't reach 60 stubs. (Take that as a support) Grutness...wha? 00:08, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
- To make things easier, I say almost of all articles with "-dong" and "-gu" suffix in Category:Gu of Seoul which also has 25 subcategories are stubs pertaining {{Seoul-geo-stub}}
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A bit of retroactive proposing here, as while working through the to-do list I found that {{Czech-castle-stub}} had been awaiting creating since January 2008 and that all of the other Czech Republic stubs included "Republic" as above. So I boldly created {{CzechRepublic-castle-stub}} and restubbed the 28 or so that I could find. (There should be a few more, per the original nomination, but they weren't tagged with {{CzechRepublic-struct-stub}} so they were not readily apparent.) I mention this here so when {{CzechRepublic-castle-stub}} is "discovered" that it shows up as having been proposed even though the original approved proposal was for {{Czech-castle-stub}}. - Dravecky (talk) 10:13, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
- Yup, it should indeed have been with the Republic part of the name added. ISTR there were various shifts of templates and categories due to the whole "Czech Republic/Czechia" kerfuffle a year or two back, so that probably confused the issue a little. Grutness...wha? 11:29, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
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The Category:2000s metal album stubs are oversized (sensing a pattern here?), and Category:2000s black metal album stubs would have 61 articles, by my categorywise count. Alai (talk) 00:23, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
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{{Korea-footyclub-stub}} can't cover the whole Korea-sports-related stubs, so I propose the stub template be made. --Appletrees (talk) 12:57, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
- Support, but at the standardised name of {{Korea-sport-stub}}, not Korean-sports-stub. Grutness...wha? 00:27, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
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Per this discussion, may we create this type to replace {{Streets of Paris-stub}}, which is not formatted according to current guidelines and which needs to be upmerged as undersized. Thanks. Her Pegship (tis herself) 18:27, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
- Definitely a template (speediably, in fact), and the usual "when there are 60" for the category - not that that should be much of a problem in this case. Grutness...wha? 00:53, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
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131 articles in category Syriac people. At least 60 articles related to syriac people will fit that tag. AramaeanSyriac (talk) 23:13, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
- Just FYI, {{Syriacs-stub}} was recently deleted per this discussion. Her Pegship (tis herself) 00:27, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
- and the reason that it was deleted - that we don't have separate stubs for "aspirant nations" - applies just as much to this stub. People are stubbed according to their (officially recognised) nationality, their occupation and (rarely) their religion - their ethnic group is rarely if ever a consideration when stubbing. Grutness...wha? 03:42, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
- So whats happening now? I really want a stub for syriac people related articles so i know what articles need to be expanded from me and other users AramaeanSyriac (talk) 10:18, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
- What you're describing is more like a talk page assessment template for a wikiproject than a stub template. Caerwine Caer’s whines 18:23, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
- So whats happening now? I really want a stub for syriac people related articles so i know what articles need to be expanded from me and other users AramaeanSyriac (talk) 10:18, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
- and the reason that it was deleted - that we don't have separate stubs for "aspirant nations" - applies just as much to this stub. People are stubbed according to their (officially recognised) nationality, their occupation and (rarely) their religion - their ethnic group is rarely if ever a consideration when stubbing. Grutness...wha? 03:42, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
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I propose the creation of the above stub - Speedy creation - S1. More than 60 articles in an upmerged template. The above has 61. There are also categories for India, Pakistan, PRC China, Russia and Turkey. Kathleen.wright5 09:15, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
- Template, what template? Seems speediable anyway, though. Alai (talk) 14:03, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
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I realize this is somewhat laughable given the size of the Category:Asteroid stubs problem, but I think the above additional subtype should be just about viable, based partly on categorisation, and partly on aphelion and perihelion data. A large chunk of could also be moved into the existing Category:Main Belt asteroid stubs on similar bases, but that's also significantly oversized, and would eventually end up almost as large.
The root difficulty is that these were created without any useful categories, not bothering to use the already-available more specific stub types, and missing key data from their infoboxes that we'd normally hope to use to re-sort them. Indeed, they do nothing to assert notability at all, and their own "reference" is a db query to an online catalogue. Such discussion as there was about whether mass-creating these at all seems to have been inclusive, at best. So, my favoured option would be to delete or merge these, and string the creating bot-op and task requester up by their thumbs. Failing that, we may have to go with some "lumping" solution based on what little data we have available, such as the orbital parameters. Alai (talk) 00:26, 1 May 2008 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom
'80s rock album subtypes
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- Category:1980s alternative rock album stubs 102
- Category:1980s hard rock album stubs 66
- Category:1980s pop rock album stubs 64
Parent is oversized, unsurprisingly enough. Alai (talk) 18:16, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- Hard rock would probably be of use on the oversized 1990s and 2000s as well (already have alt-rock and a proposed pop-rock for these decades. Waacstats (talk) 10:11, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Literary award stubs
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Looking at this list, there seems to be quite a few stub-sized literary award articles categorized either as Category:Award stubs or with no stub category at all. Perhaps it would be useful to create a literary award stub type? (Maybe as a subcategory of Category:Award stubs?) Ark'ay the Mortals' God (talk) 22:38, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
- Support; 92 articles under Category:Award stubs and Category:Literary awards. Her Pegship (tis herself) 19:52, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
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There are >60 articles that use both {{1990s-metal-album-stub}} and {{thrash-metal-album-stub}}, so I propose above category and {{1990s-thrash-metal-album-stub}}. Also as next category I attack will be the 2000s metal albums also propose {{2000s-thrash-metal-album-stub}}. Waacstats (talk) 07:59, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
- Strongly support both, at any desired speed. Alai (talk) 11:19, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
- Support SeveroTC 11:31, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
- Support with the spelling change I made to the proposed category (thrash instead of thrah [sic]). Caerwine Caer’s whines 21:54, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
- Support SeveroTC 11:31, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
- 1 proposer and 2 supports and it takes a forth person to spot the typo!, any way the {{2000s-thrash-metal-album-stub}} template has reached 54 working from Z back to P so I will create a matching category unless anyone has any complaints. Waacstats (talk) 08:39, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
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Propose to create stub for rail transport in Norway based on S2. There are currently 231 articles in Europe rail stubs concerning Norway. Also, France, Germany, Luxembourg, United Kingdom, Poland, India, Japan, Malaysia, Korea, Mexico, United Stats and Canada have such nation-level stubs. Arsenikk (talk) 11:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
- Support. Alai (talk) 14:07, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
- Support SeveroTC 11:31, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
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Haven't done an official count, but {{Philippines-basketball-bio-stub}} counts 55 while no other sportspeople template exists as of yet. Propose appropriate templates where needed.--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 18:52, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
- No complaints here (Someone may want to check on Malaysia as well) 84.68.164.188 (talk) 21:07, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
- Support template - category if and when 60, etc. Grutness...wha? 00:14, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Two NRHP speedies
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- Category:Maine Registered Historic Place stubs
- Category:Rhode Island Registered Historic Place stubs
The NE category is oversized, these two are immediately viable, and can now be un-upmerged. Alai (talk) 21:07, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
- You beat me to it. Speedy Waacstats (talk) 21:49, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
- I was a little boggled at the size of the new RI type. Not far off needing split itself! Alai (talk) 13:08, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
- The lists of NRHP in Rhode Island are all blue links so I assume we have them all and that there should be little future growth. Waacstats (talk) 13:32, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
- Good spot. Our work there is done, then, assuming people are expanding the articles to non-stubs roughly as fast as they're making new ones! Alai (talk) 14:05, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
- The lists of NRHP in Rhode Island are all blue links so I assume we have them all and that there should be little future growth. Waacstats (talk) 13:32, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
- I was a little boggled at the size of the new RI type. Not far off needing split itself! Alai (talk) 13:08, 28 May 2008 (UTC)