User talk:193.195.0.102

If you change the article to say FYROM as first naming, then change the second naming of FYROM accordingly. Now it says FYROM, also known as FYROM, which is nonsense. And please don't delete complete paragraphs without discussion. And don't sign discussion wirth someone else's signature, that is fraud. You only devalue your own point in this discussion. andy 16:46, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Feel free to edit the nonsense, it doesn't matter to me as long as the truth is also shown. The Name is FYROM there is no state called Republic of Macedonia. There has BEEN discussion and it has been shown that under UN legislation and even with the agreement of that state, it should be called FYROM. This has been ignored, probably because of obvious bias. I can't see how YOUR anfounded claims have more weight than mine which are based on UL legislation. Have a nice day. I hope YOUR identity does not get stolen as mine.

Dear 193, you are not Andy. That's it. If you insist in adulterating signatures, you will be blocked from editing in this site. I'm sure you can be a valuable contributor, if you put your mind to it. Dont spoil it all. Cheers, Muriel 17:11, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC)

No. This is your last warning. Another attempt, your blocked. Have a nice day. Muriel 17:21, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Dear Muriel you are going to block the whole Demon internet ISP. All I have to do is change a proxy. The point is, you allow identity theaft in national level but not in a much smaller scale. Is nypocrisy spelled like that? Thanks.

I have all night and i'm not the only person who can do this. Really, i dont know what's fair, what's not in this case. Your behaviour is not a good way to publicize your cause. Discuss things seriously, you'll be heard. Make good contributions otherwise your not geting anywhere. Cheers, Muriel 17:27, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I am sorry, but the issue HAS been discussed seriously, and as you see nothing has happened. It seems my little "game" has managed to bring some attention to what the point is behind a name. Still, nobody even attepmpted to sepparate the two things. You just say that what I do is wrong, but what FYROM, Andy and Jiang do is right, even though it is obvious it is exactly the same thing. Care to explain? And regarding the block. Please, feel free to do it. I can have whatever IP I want, go ahead and block 200,000 users from editing wiki, just because you or your friends cannot simply respond to this strange way I chose to protest about this issue. Is what I am saying too complicated? You either condemn identity theft on all levels or not. What will you do?

By the way, changing my text IS copyright infrigment. I won't try to block you though. <G>

• you cant block me. bye Muriel

"Discuss things seriously, you'll be heard." That's what you told me just a while ago. You don't seem to adhere to your own advice "Muriel Gottrop". But I understand. I can almost see the bias blocking your sight from here.

There is no change of me on other people's signatures. Feel free to give a link if you think this is wrong. I named myself "Jiang" and then named myself "Andy" IN MY SIGNATURE. According to Jiang and Andy I have every right to do so. And this is not "changing other people's signatures" for sure. Unless we speak a different English language. The user Muriel (above) and andy is who changed MY SIGNATURES for no reason.

Please don't try to make points by signing your messages with other people's signatures. Two wrongs do not make a right. Martin 19:36, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Hi, Martin. It seems that this was the only way I could make my point, and I think it worked. After all everybody could tell I was not. Not to mention that I clearly pointed that I was signing with the wrong name. It is not as if I was trying to fool anyone. Apparently some people didn't get it, but is it really my fault? :-) 193.195.0.101 20:25, 13 Nov 2003 (UTC)

In my experience, making edits to "prove a point" in this way tends to inflame the situation rather than helping. Yes, the Macedonia page is now getting better, but it took a long time to get there - you'd have got there faster with a different approach, in my opinion.

Perhaps we shall have to agree to disagree here - still, I hope you (whoever "you" are...) will try another tack next time - if only for comparison. Martin 22:19, 13 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Martin, I did not make edits to prove a point. Other people have edited my text. I haven't touched other people's quotes or signatures like it was done to mine.

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