Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Objectivity/DB

Objectivity/DB

Article fails WP:NOTABILITY, WP:SPAM and WP:COI. Article was created by the Chief Technology Officer and the founding member of Objectivity, Inc ^[1] with no other edits other than related to Objectivity, Inc. This is one Part of a long history of Spam and promotion on Wikipedia, see also →Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam#Objectivity.2C_Inc. Self-promotion and product placement are not the routes to having an encyclopaedia article. Hu12 18:21, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I can't reach a quick conclusion, but I strongly suspect this is a notable company and product. Per the company's website it is a 50+ person software company with major investors and global distribution, and a product line that has been around for 20 years. A google search reveals 100,000+ articles and close to 250+ news stories. However, as with all software products most of these are passing mentions, download sites, and press releases so it becomes a needle/haystack problem. One beginning of a source is http://www.fcw.com/print/10_37/news/84320-1.html. It's clearly a real company and a real product, anyway. Although there are COI and spam problems, there is a lot of useful content in the piece as written. It doesn't help Wikipedia's encyclopedic mission to jettison legitimate content about a substantial company simply because of trouble with the article. If the subject is notable but the article is messy, it's not a proper candidate for deletion. It can be cleaned up or stubbified. Wikidemo 19:03, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I am sorry! The article reads like and advertisement. In Googleing the company, I do not see any noteworthy references. I do see advertisements! Shoessss | Chat 22:49, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. There are plenty of references to the system in Google Books (91) and Google Scholar (600+), some of them fairly "objective". This article has tone problems and goes into unnecessary jargon and detail but could easily be improved. Objectivity/DB is clearly a major object-oriented DBMS implementation that has been around for at least a decade and a half, an eternity in software terms. (It seems to be used more in scientific applications than business, perhaps accounting for its lack of tech news coverage.) I have to ask whether the article should be more about the software or the company. --Dhartung | Talk 23:23, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If about software, a definite Keep. In that case, the whole article must be restructured. However, the article reads like an advertisement. In that case, still stand by my Delete. Shoessss | Chat 23:37, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and stubbify per Dhartung. -- intgr [talk] 01:02, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Caknuck (talk) 21:48, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]