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Editor Assistance: Requests
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Resolved
 – Article deleted by User:Jimfbleak three days ago. --Aarktica 20:22, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My article has been requested by another user to be deleted because of it being a copyright infringement. The article is now bare bones, because this is my first article and I'm having difficulty citing a reference to the Copyright information for my song that I wrote, produced, produced a video for, and is on my website, and the song is named, "Will Tamara Come". There is absolutely no copyright infringement; however, while attempting over and over to cite the reference to my copyright information for which I can provide you a copy, the reference was deleted each and every time. I truly need help in knowing how to cite a "Copyright" reference. I apologize for asking for this, but I searched through your FAQ's and all the information I could find and I could not get it to reference the copyright information.

The copyright data for "Will Tamara Come" is dated 6/9/06 and is Registration #SR 320-214. It is copyrighted with the Libraray of Congress and a copy of the copyright can be provided if you wish.

Thank you so much for you kind consideration in this matter and for your help.

Charles Kay Docrocker 06:37, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First, the obvious problems. By writing an article about yourself, you are at least committing a faux pas. See our guideline on autobiographies and conflicts of interest. It's far better to let someone else write an article about you, which will almost certainly happen if you're notable enough to appear in an encyclopedia.
I removed your protestations from the article, where they really didn't belong. That kind of thing in that much is what the article talk page is for. The hangon template should be placed at the top of the article, and your text should be included as a parameter of the template. Like this: {{hangon|The reasons why blah blah blah...}}. (Multiple lines are OK, just so long as you close it out with the double curly braces.) Precious Roy placed the speedy deletion tag, I suppose because he found identical text elsewhere on the web. That kind of thing is almost always a copyright violation. If the material was from your own website and you own the copyright on it (which will be true if you wrote it, whether it's registered or not) the best way to proceed is to include a notice on the site licensing the text under the GFDL, which is how all text on Wikipedia must be licensed. Then you can paste into articles here with no copyright issues. (There may be other issues, but it won't be copyright.) Alternatively, you can send an email to permissions-en AT wikimedia DOT org using the boilerplate text so that we know exactly what you're licensing. Since it's text, you must use the GFDL where it invites you to "choose at least one" license.
At present the article is not slated for deletion since the offending text has simply been removed, so there was no reason to attach {{hangon}} anyway.
If the material was not from your website, then as long as the article itself is not unsuitable for Wikipedia then there's no problem with including the information. You only have to write it using your own words, not copying someone else's. Even if you're the subject, it's the writer that owns the copyright on a composition, and you have no rights to it.
The issue had nothing at all to do with the copyright on your video. I'm not sure why Precious Roy consulted ASCAP about it when the appropriate place to check is the U.S. Copyright Office -- perhaps over notability concerns more than copyright -- but it's really neither here nor there anyway. What are you trying to accomplish by giving out the copyright information on it? It proves nothing other than it's copyrighted, and we already know that without looking at a registration. TCC (talk) (contribs) 07:17, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A deleted article

Stale
 – No further contributions from this editor. Adrian M. H. 10:38, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am trying to retrieve shirlynmyles articles that was posted on 9/1/07 and deleted approx. 1:28pm on 9/2/07. I need to obtain the data asap. My email address is <rm per privacy requirements>. My phone <rm per privacy requirements> — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shirlynmyles (talk • contribs) 19:20, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not post personal information. Can I ask why you need to "obtain this data ASAP"? And would you be able to provide a wikilink of the exact article name so that I can see the deletion log, please? (Deleted articles are not listed in editors' contributions). Adrian M. H. 19:36, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

edit keeps getting deleted

Hi,

I made an edit both yesterday and about a month ago to the world music page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_music). I am adding a site at the bottom of the list to the directories and portals section. The site I am adding is worlddigibeat.com. Can you please tell me why this site keeps getting removed? The site focuses on 3 different world music categories (desi/bhangra, reggae, reggaeton), provides video, news and a lot more.

Why does my edit keep getting deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Egvandell (talk • contribs) 13:55, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I assume your 216.27.153.34 (talk · contribs). You may want to add it to the talk page for discussion before re adding. a cursory check would indicate it may not comply with WP:EL.--Hu12 15:25, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Should I add my own talk page, or use the one above that points to my IP?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Egvandell (talk • contribs) 15:53, 5 September 2007
I apologise for being unclear. You should suggest that you would like it added, on the articles (World music) talk page. This way other independant editors can decide/discuss if it is appropriate for inclusion. --Hu12 16:00, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It looks to me as if the site is being cut as spam. It's not an information source, but a music-related social networking site that seems to make its money from facilitating music sales of independent artists. So I'd call it inappropriate under the external linking guideline. TCC (talk) (contribs) 01:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved
 – Pretty well answered. Adrian M. H. 10:40, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In wikitext, does one really need to do the long drawn out 

[mailto:username@domain.tld username@domain.tld]

in order to get: 

Email me at username@domain.tld if importaint.

Jidanni 01:44, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you have the "Enable e-mail from other users" option allowed in the preferences section, you can receive email from other users if they go to your user page and hit "Email this user" in the toolbox below the search box on the right hand side of the screen. I have never tried this, but I believe your email address remains anonymous. J-stan TalkContribs 02:11, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks but I have no worries about spam and wish the user to send directly. Jidanni 04:17, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well in that case you can display your email if you wish, I've seen some users do that. J-stan TalkContribs 14:55, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I know, I was just curious if the syntax didn't have a shortcut. Jidanni 20:47, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You can always create a template, if you feel the need. It would look something like:
[mailto:{{{1|}}} {{{1|}}}]
and you could name it Template:mailto or something like that. Then, formatting your address like that would be as simple as {{mailto|myusername@mydomain.tld}}. But locating it in your userspace wouldn't save you typing, and posting email addresses is generally discouraged so I don't know how widely used it would be in template space. TCC (talk) (contribs) 22:47, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Visa (document)

Seeking some outside eyes on this article. A dispute about the acceptability of an external link is in danger of spiralling out of control. A new editor responds to my comments with, bad faith personal attacks and accusations that I am being untruthful. They made a bunch of changes that were factually incorrect, changed the historical basis of the article and that were riddled with OR and POV. I asked them to source the changes, left them for 24 hours and only changed them after the editor admitted they had no sources. I'm now being attacked again, threatened with mediation and I'm tired of it. Before it gets messy could some experienced editors wander by and cast their eye over the dispute and offer an outside perspective? I think the new editor is taking my actions too personally and I'm hoping that having some extra input would help them understand the need to comply with our core policies. Also, if I'm actually acting like a complete dick having someone tell me would also be useful. Thanks Spartaz Humbug! 22:16, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This seems to be increasingly typical. Try to follow the system and all you get is abuse. I have not investigated all the background as I type this, but if it is just between you and the other party, I recommend a 3O request. For more than two parties, an RFC is required. Adrian M. H. 22:22, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
My experience of 3O is that it best works for pure content disputes and there are 2 1/2 parties. I'm hoping that some outside input will avoid the need for an article RFC. Spartaz Humbug! 22:27, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Right, I have read through all that discussion now. Clearly, the link is unsuitable, based on your expert assessment of its content and you are right to leave it out. I see that two other editors came out in support of your position, which is welcome, but seemed to have relatively little tangible effect. I see from Shanebb's contribs that he is quite happy to remove other links from the article, so maybe there is a bit of a double standard there. I would offer my opinion at the article's talk page, but I cannot claim any knowledge of the subject, which I think would be advantageous in successfully persuading the other parties. Adrian M. H. 23:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

no comments to suggestion - implement or not?

Resolved
 – Consensus at WT:FA is against the change. Adrian M. H. 10:43, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A few days ago, I brought up a suggestion for changing the layout of the topics on the Wikipedia:Featured articles page - on it's talk page. I didn't get any comments to this suggestion, so my first idea was, with no complaints, I should go ahead and change it according to WP:BOLD.

But then, it is one of the basic pages of the project, and one that has been around for a long time, and I was wondering if there are any special considerations before editing those? In particular, should I get more feedback before doing anything, and if so, what would be a good way to go about that, with no reactions from the talk page?

Frostlion 15:41, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, how long did you wait and receive no feedback? If it was a considerable amount of time, you could argue that "silence implies consent if there is adequate exposure to the community". If you feel there was enough "exposure to the community", you could be bold and change it. J-stan TalkContribs 16:04, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your response. I waited a bit over a week, with about 10 new topics and comments made on the talk page during that time. I'm not sure if that's enough exposure, so I just posted a reminder that I'll go ahead and change it in a week if nobody objects. Frostlion 16:54, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Article: Bloodlines: Harry Potter

Has a tag reading (app) citations needed re: treating this topic as fictional (it is) but not linking to real world data for clarification.

I have no connection with the article at all, but having read it, it is quite clear - and quite correct as it refers to it's topic. No one with any background in breeding/genetics should have any problem following this material (and I do not think it really needs a sub-section on Mendel - gene splicing for those likely to read it).

If response or further details needed, I am <e-mail removed> — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.184.250.122 (talk) 14:39, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What's the title of the article? J-ſtan TalkContribs 14:43, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No matches for the name provided, so I guess we'll never know. Never mind. Adrian M. H. 15:58, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Abdel Bari Atwan

The Wikipedia entry for the highly respected Arab journalist and political commentator Abden Bari Awtan has unfortunately attracted the attention of contributors who wish to undermine his position for political reasons. The latest 'edit' contains several slanders - including alleged support for Osama bin Laden and a claim that Saddam Hussein funded Mr Atwan's newspaper.

These are extremely dangerous, completely unsubstantiated allegations and, as a professional journalist myself, I find it inexplicable that there is no filtering process to avoid this kind of attack of which the victim could, of course, be completely unaware. I have tried to edit the article on a number of occasions, including changing the spelling of his name which at present is incorrect transliteration, but these are immediately removed as new defamatory material is added.

I will edit the article again now but please advise me of what action can now be taken to ensure these dangerous slurs are not repeated.

Wikipedia is considered a trustworthy information source and it is surely in the interests of everyone that it remain so? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Annalasim (talk • contribs) 09:54, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I saw from your contribs that you removed a referenced statement from this article, which is likely to attract warnings. I recommend that you revert yourself and open a discussion about it. Adrian M. H. 10:10, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes and no. The citations supported the quotations from the subject. However, the inflammatory, and possibly defamatory, coloring given to those quotations was not. Since there was little point to the cited quotes other than to provide context for the commentary, cutting them is at least arguably the right thing to do. Wikipedia policy on biographies of living persons favors aggressive deletion of badly sourced material and original research (i.e. editors' personal commentary).
There's no preventing this kind of thing in an encyclopedia that anyone in the world is allowed to edit. that's why we need volunteer groups like the Counter-Vandalism Unit and so on. The best thing is for knowledgeable people interested in accuracy to keep an eye on articles that attract this kind of thing and fix problems as they arise. Page protection is available for extreme cases, but that's an absolute last resort when it comes to articles. TCC (talk) (contribs) 23:55, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Flugpo

I am interested in having the article Flugpo considered for recreation. It has been greatly edited since being deleted and it now better meets Wikipedia's article requirements. I have posted the article in my sandbox User:Saracity123/Sandbox; please feel free to make any suggestions that could help further improve the article Saracity123 04:33, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First, a markup suggestion: To make a bulleted list, preface each line with an asterisk (*) not a middot (•) That makes a list with actual bullets and with line breaks where you want them.
I can't see this surviving as an article, frankly. There's no getting around the site's lack of present notability. This is very clearly reflected by the dearth of independent citations. Of the four sources cited, one is from the website itself, another from a Flugpo user's personal blog, another from a website whose stated purpose is at least partly promotional (it's hard to say what it's for, really), and the last is of no discernible relevance. Even that Ideamarketer article (by yourself?) which is written like a puff piece, says absolutely nothing to set Flugpo off from other online social networking sites. The only thing it really does is throw classified ads into the mix, but whether this is a good idea or not (or whether it's really all that different from craigslist) has yet to be shown.
I'm sorry, because I can see you really want to get this out there, but Wikipedia is not a soapbox. It needs to be successful first and in Wikipedia second, not the other way around. TCC (talk) (contribs) 05:07, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

strange dispute concerning Covenant College

I'm not sure how to best sum up the dispute. Right now I and another editor Flowanda are in disagreement over some content in the Covenant College article, in particular the section titled "Accreditation non-compliance warnings and restoration". The issue as I understand it is that one of the citations refers to an official statement from Covenant College which was distributed via e-mail and appears only in that blog, which also happens to be my personal blog (which I give in my user profile, along with full disclosure of all my other possible conflicts of interest).

Third part input over the dispute was corrected, and he felt that in this situation it was not inappropriate to cite the "e-mail-within-a-blog", but only that the section needed to be shortened as not to give "undue weight" to that section in regards to the rest of the article.

The other editor, Flowanda, did not agree with this recommendation, nor with a later suggested resolution, claiming that his concerns were not addressed.

I'm not really sure what to do at this point. I feel like I've tried to drill down to the core issue, namely, is it ok to cite a blog that contains an official statement from Covenant College on a matter that has been determined to be noteworthy? I understand it's a tricky situation, as blogs are typically NOT acceptable sources.

Any help/guidance in resolving the issue would be appreciated.

Oh and, I'm in no way affiliated with Covenant College. I did attend there 5 years ago. Qmax 05:03, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A frivolous deleter

I just recently wrote my first wikipedia.org entry. I followed as many of the guidelines as possible, though I wasn't aware of a few, admittedly.

An highly experienced editor flagged my post for deletion. I notice, however, rule number one for disputes is to contact the party first. He did not do this. His original claim was my article was "non-notable," though it's the first innovation in photography since digital cameras came out 15 years ago. (My article documents how to create multiple exposures on a single piece of film with a disposable camera. 222 million disposable cameras are sold per year, so I do not understand how this is "non-notable.")

I disputed with him, and he changed his argument to my article lacked secondary sources, which I have now added.

When I visited his user page, and checked out his "discussion" thread, someone had left a note that this editor had *repeatedly* harassed him with *fake* vandalism warnings, and deletions of edits that he disagreed with.

This editor apparently has a history of provocation.

Is there any way to put his flaggings on hold? So that he cannot flag an article for a certain amount of time, like a probation, to teach him how to properly handle these matters?

Thanks for your feedback to a new wikipedia-er.

My article - bang! photography

Dnynumberone 05:49, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Putting any other behavioural issues aside for a moment, you appear to be confusing DR with deletion policy. We do not need to contact creating editors (I see WP:OWN as being somewhat applicable there, because creating editors do not have additional rights over articles) and we rarely do so when patrolling new pages for potential speedy noms. The templates suggest making contact, of course, but it is only a suggestion. Editors are expected to check their watchlists regularly. New page patrol is a speedy process, which is why we use things like Twinkle. Since this has been subject to an AFD nom, I don't see a problem; you have about a week to make the required improvements (if possible) and/or enter the discussion. Though please be sure to read the guidelines about AFD debates before doing the latter. Adrian M. H. 09:39, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wow! Well, I have just read the potty-mouthed immature and policy-breaking comments that you made at AFD and the vandalism that earned you a well deserved block, and I am annoyed that I wasted my time and typing fingers to reply to you and try to help you. Adrian M. H. 10:02, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Determining whether a particular user is actually me

I tried to set up an account with the username "blay". The system responded that "blay" is already in use. I am wondering whether I was the one who set it up some time ago or whether it truly belongs to someone else. How can I determine that?

Thanks, Blay — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.220.115.28 (talk) 09:23, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

At the risk of telling you the obvious:
  • are these edits ones that you are likely to have made?
  • have you tried signing in as Blay??
-- 77.96.109.167 09:43, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
(Edit conflict) You can't really. I can only suggest that you find and view the relevant user page and check the contributions. If the contributions pattern matches you and if the user page jogs your memory, enter the name at the login screen and request a new password by e-mail. Assuming that you lodged an e-mail address. Don't do this if you are not 100% sure that the account is yours because it will give someone else a minor security scare when they receive the e-mail. I really recommend that you take the safe and simple route of choosing a new user name. WP:USURP is not appropriate. Adrian M. H. 09:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the "these edits" link. I didn't know how to do that and it answered my question. Blay — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.220.115.28 (talk) 10:30, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How to deal with this article?

Hi I just stumbled upon this page - Dog Whisperer. Now The original article only dealt with the Program from NGC, but this guy has come and put details about his book bang at the top of it. Does this count as advertising? I'm a bit inexperienced.

Is it right for me to:

1. Remove that info, or 2. Move it to another page, or 3. Cut away a major part of it and move it to the end of the article

Its just that I'm not sure what is the right thing to do here. Some guidance please. Thanks vineetcoolguy 12:17, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Air Force Combat Controller - candidate for deletion

I am not computer saavy, but am doing my best to construct subject Wiki. Wikipedia instructions overwhelm me and much of what I do is trial and error. So I often make mistakes.

FOR EXAMPLE: I always provide sources for the IMAGES that I upload, but quite often they are removed within twenty-four hours. Some times I reload them a half dozen times before the "UPLOAD TAKES".

Your assistance is requested to help properly format the Wiki and save it from destruction. I have put alot of hours into the project.

Gene Adcock Gene Adcock 18:14, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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