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This is an archive of discussions from Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals for the month of August 2007. Please move completed August discussions to this page as they occur, add discussion headers to each proposal showing the result, and leave incomplete discussions on the Proposals page. After August, the remainder of the discussions will be moved to this page, whether stub types have been created or not.

Those who create a stub template/cat should be responsible for moving the discussion here and listing the stub type in the archive summary.

Stub proposers please note: Items tagged as "nocreate" or "no consensus" are welcome for re-proposal if and when circumstances are auspicious.

Hesperiidae-stub

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Hi, I'm proposing a stub for family Hesperiidae for WikiProject Lepidoptera. We have the following stubs already with us : butterfly (for generic articles), moth, nymphalidae, lycaenidae, pieridae and papilionidae. The only butterfly family left out is Hesperiidae. The hesperiidae articles use butterfly-stub as of now. There are about 446 butterfly stubs of which approx half belong to this family. This is the only family which doesnt have its own stub in butterflies. I already have 79 red-links in List of butterflies of India (Hesperiidae), List of butterflies of India (Hesperiinae) and List of butterflies of India (Pyrginae) lined up with many more to come. But amending later is a pain, so I propose that this stub be created before we start major work on hesperiids. I have made a draft template at {{hesperiidae-stub}}. Requesting a SPEEDY approval. Regards, AshLin 15:20, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

More than 200 articles and more to come? Speedy for both template and category. Valentinian T / C 15:54, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
Speedy, on the basis both of clear and present need, and existing pattern/completism grounds. Alai 17:07, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

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Category:Nepalese people stubs

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Upmerged template now used on 60 articles. I suggest speedy but I thought it better to relist this one, given that I accidentally mentioned a nonstandard name last time I brought this one up, see the section for Laos below. The name suggested here matches with the name of the permcat. Valentinian T / C 22:59, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

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{{Belarus-athletics-bio-stub}}

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This template now has over 60 articles and should be deupmerged. Speedy? Waacstats 22:36, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Impressive. Speedy. Valentinian T / C 22:42, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

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US Roads

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The result of the debate was create upmerged templates.
The purpose of creating these would be to place them on the state route articles of the different states. Stubs already exist for the other states, US Highways and Interstate Highways.

--Son 14:45, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Oppose, from what I see, none of these have over 30 articles in which they would be used on and, thus, are unnecessary. I'd also rather see the stubs use "road-stub" than "State-Highway/Route-stub", as using the state highway names restricts how wide-reaching the stub cat can be. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 17:47, 1 August 2007 (UTC) I forgot about the possibility of creating only upmerged templates earlier. Must've slipped my mind. In any case, support upmerged templates, oppose separate categories until the minimum threshold is reached. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 01:33, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment. I'm suggesting the creation of these to help organize a task force that would govern the remaining states that don't have state level task forces or WikiProjects. See User:Son/State Route task force (which is an early work in progress). I plan on working state-by-state (and hopefully with the help of others) to create more road articles. --Son 18:39, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose, I agree with TMF. I would rather see quality articles be written outright rather than go stub-crazy here. master sonT - C 18:51, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Support as upmerged templates only. There's clearly no need for separate categories as yet, but there's no problem with making the templates now - though they should be in line with the naming conventions (hence I have altered the original proposal slightly - hope you don;'t mind, Son!). Grutness...wha? 01:14, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

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deupmerge 2 templates

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Category:Indian film stubs is on the oversize list. 2 upmerged templates with over 60 articles exist

also suggest a new upmerged template

Waacstats 22:23, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Suggest speedying the first two. I think the third might be viable in its own right: my count says there's 88 in the corresponding permcat, but a large number seems to be in other languages too, so it's a judgement call as to whether double-stubbing would be appropriate. Alai 23:03, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

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{{Water-supply-stub}}

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Proposal is to create a stub for the subject of water supply. Category:Water supply and its sub-categories like Category:Drinking water and Category:Water treatment together have many stub-class articles whose expansion would be helped by being better organized into a common stub type. The following are 70 appropriate articles. This new stub would be recommended to be a child of Category:Health stubs and Category:Urban studies and planning stubs. Please note that Template:Water-stub is already being used for Category:Water transport stubs.

  1. 1998 Klang Valley water crisis
  2. Akash Ganga
  3. Artesian aquifer
  4. Banks Pumping Plant
  5. Baoli
  6. Belmar Spring Water
  7. Bethany Reservoir
  8. Big Bend Water District
  9. Big Well (Kansas)
  10. Biscayne Aquifer
  11. Briones Reservoir
  12. Brisbane Water (utility)
  13. Cadillac Desert
  14. California State Water Project
  15. Clean Water Services
  16. Coliban water
  17. Cultural eutrophication
  18. Desalination in the United Kingdom
  19. Drinking water quality legislation of the United States
  20. GE Betz
  21. Grainger challenge
  22. Great Recycling and Northern Development Canal
  23. Hand pump
  24. Hartlepool Water
  25. Hippo water roller
  26. Jardine Water Purification Plant
  27. Johad
  28. Kelda Group
  29. Kwinana Desalination Plant
  30. Lithia water
  31. Loudoun County Sanitation Authority
  32. Meltwater
  33. Multiple-effect humidification
  34. Mythe Water Treatment Works
  35. Nanofiltration
  36. Nevada Irrigation District
  37. North West Water
  38. Northwest Florida Water Management District
  39. Northumbrian Water
  40. Oroville Dam
  41. Overdrafting
  42. Pennon Group
  43. Plumbosolvency
  44. Portsmouth Water
  45. Purified water
  46. Reverse osmosis plant
  47. Rotating biological contactor
  48. San Antonio Reservoir (Alameda County)
  49. San Francisco Water Department
  50. Santa Clara Valley Water District
  51. Screen filter
  52. Settling basin
  53. Solar humidification
  54. Solar Powered Desalination Unit
  55. South Bay Pumping Plant
  56. South West Water
  57. Southwest Florida Water Management District
  58. Spring box
  59. Standpipe (street)
  60. Sulfur water
  61. Tap water
  62. Three Valleys Water
  63. Treadle pump
  64. United Water
  65. Vapaire
  66. Village Level Operation and Maintenance (pumps)
  67. Washington Suburban Sanitary Commission
  68. Water Authority of Western Australia
  69. Water Sampling Stations
  70. Yorba Linda Water District

--Kurieeto 15:40, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Support the stub type - BTW, there are lots of dams and reservoirs in the struct-stubs and geo-stubs which could potentially be double-stubbed with this one, too (keeping the geo/struct type as a second template). I have some concerns about the name, though. You're right that water-stub is already in use, which is the main problem, since it isn't a good name for water transport. But if we moved it, a lot of people would think that water-stub would still be in use for it, so if we gave this water-stub, there'd be considerable mis-sorting. Watersupply-stub would be a little more in keeping with stub naming, I think, since we don't have a supply-stub. Grutness...wha? 00:18, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Great, I've gone ahead and created {{watersupply-stub}} and will begin populating it. Kurieeto 00:04, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

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Central and South American schools

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The result of the debate was create upmerged templates.
In the school stubs category there are a lot of schools in Central or South America. Therefore I'm proposing a new stub category for Central and South American schools. If there are a lot of these stubs then it might be necessary to split them into 2 stub cats (one for Central, one for South). I've listed them separately for now in case that happens.

I am sorting these stubs into Central and South according to the Wikipedia entry for the country each school is in. Sorry if any of them are wrong. KZF 09:57, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

{{Central-South-America-Schools-stub}} (43 stubs)

  1. Academia Británica Cuscatleca
  2. American Nicaraguan School
  3. Colegio Centro América
  4. List of Schools in Nicaragua
  5. List of schools in Costa Rica
  6. Mayatan School
  7. St. John's College, Belize
  1. ACCAS
  2. Academia Cotopaxi
  3. Anglo-Peruvian School
  4. Associação Escola Graduada de São Paulo
  5. Asunción Christian Academy
  6. Bishops' High School, Guyana
  7. COTIL
  8. Cochabamba Cooperative School
  9. Colegio Bernardo Valdivieso
  10. Colegio Nacional de Ushuaia
  11. Colegio Pestalozzi
  12. Colegio San Agustín
  13. Colegio San Pedro Claver
  14. Colégio Bandeirantes de São Paulo
  15. Colégio Bandeirantes de São Paulo
  16. Colégio Dom Amando (Santarém, Brazil)
  17. Colégio Notre Dame (Campinas)
  18. Colégio Pedro II (Rio de Janeiro)
  19. Colégio Santa Maria (São Paulo)
  20. Escuela Secundaria Técnica Química Industrial y Minera
  21. Instituto Abel
  22. Instituto Chaminade Marianistas
  23. International School of Monagas
  24. List of schools in Argentina
  25. List of schools in Brazil
  26. List of schools in Paraguay
  27. List of schools in Venezuela
  28. Mackenzie High School (Guyana)
  29. Martin Zapata High School
  30. Mission Ribas
  31. Nicaragua Christian Academy
  32. Pan American Christian Academy
  33. Queen's College, Guyana
  34. Santa Rosa Secondary School
  35. St Paul's School, Brazil
  36. Stella Maris College (Montevideo)
  • The coding would most likely be

{{CentralAm-school-stub}} and {{SouthAm-school-stub}}, but it looks like we're nowhere near the number of articles needed for CentralAm. Is there a WikiProject for either of these areas? If so, support SouthAm for now. If not, upmerge template for SouthAm. Her Pegship (tis herself) 18:09, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

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Deupmerging of Czech geos

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User:Darwinek has been busy moving articles to the new upmerged Czech regional geo-stub templates, and at least two are now at the stage where they can be de-upmerged:

There are still quite a few stubs in the main Czech geo-stub category to sort, and it's possible that several other regions will also reach threshold. The following are getting close:

We'll need to keep an eye on these as the sorting continues, but for now, I'd suggest speedying the first two, and possibly doing the same for Hradec Králové. Grutness...wha? 00:48, 8 August 2007 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

Split of Category:Film director stubs

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Oversize category, the following should help

Waacstats 21:49, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Good plan, support. For the continental ones, I suggest as many upmerged by-country templates as people have the patience to create. Alai 17:41, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

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{{Cincinnati-stub}}

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The result of the debate was create Cincinnati-stub only for now.
Hello. I am looking to speedy create a Cincinnati stub for WP:CINCINNATI. There are 100s of articles that could use this. Thanks. (Mind meal 14:58, 5 August 2007 (UTC))

  • Oppose speedying, past experience with city-specific stub types is much too mixed. These 100s of articles, are they of places? Buildings? There's the issue of cutting across existing types. Alai 17:57, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Cincinnati is one of the largest cities in Ohio, and is home to both a professional baseball and football team. It is a major U.S. city, like Chicago. "Hundreds" was mighty conservative, as this will eventually reach the thousands I am sure. Yes, of course, they are buildings, townships, companies, and even noteworthy persons from my hometown. I would not ask if there was not a need. (Mind meal 18:24, 5 August 2007 (UTC))
Which is why I didn't ask about any of that. Would you might addressing what I actually did? Alai 06:47, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Lets just keep it friendly here. I thought I did answer your question on what it will be used for. What else did you want to know? Please explain "cutting across existing types". If by this you mean inclusion of counties and townships, I have stated below that I would not use it for that purpose. See Category:WikiProject Cincinnati for an idea of how many articles we potentially are talking about here. Mind you, there are many more yet to appear there. I can't imagine a stub like this being so controversial. Can anyone explain this "controversy" to me. Seems straightforward enough to me.(Mind meal 16:23, 6 August 2007 (UTC))

Oppose the speedying bit as other similar proposals have been controversial in the past. That said, *Category:Ohio building and structure stubs does seem to have quite a large number of articles relating to Cincinnati, so we're certainly over the 30 article mark. Provided that such a template were approved, the relevant articles should still be tagged with the Ohio- templates to avoid messing up the system. Valentinian T / C 21:58, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and the relevant permcat would be Category:Cincinnati, Ohio (just in case I'm not the only European unfamiliar with the U.S. practice of including state names). :) Valentinian T / C 22:01, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
  • It's not speediable, but is potentially useful... as long as it's remembered that standard stub parctice would be not to include geographical items in there. Buildings (double-stubbed with ohio-struct-stub), okay, items about the city's history, sports teams, radio stations etc, fine (again double-stubbed where necessary, but neighborhoods and the like would get whichever county geo-stub already exists, assuming ohio has been split by county (ISTR that it has). Articles on individual people shouldn't really be given this stubtype either (long-standing reassons involving the fact that people tend to m,ove from place to place). If there are still a reasonable number of stubs withot that (weith a specific WP, that would be only 30 stubs), I don't see too much of a problem. As V implies, the releant stub cat should be called Category:Cincinnati, Ohio stubs. Grutness...wha? 01:52, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Ohio geography is indeed already split by county/*SA combination, including a Greater Cincinnati category fed from a Hamilton County template and several others. Hence my comment about cross-catting. Alai 06:47, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Sorry for my confusion! I can definitely adhere to common practice as outlined by Grutness, and I'll add such language at the project, also. Is it possible I could create some more Cincinnati-related stubs? If the following is not plausible, perhaps those familiar with this process could nominate more "doable" stubs for Cincinnati. I just want the project to have everything it needs from the start. Here are further proposals:

Thanks again. (Mind meal 02:52, 6 August 2007 (UTC))

{{Cincinnati-bio-stub}} is likely to be problematic for the usual reason that it'd be susceptible to "scope creep" from "people whose notability relates primarily to <place>" to was born in/went to university at/some other tangential connection to <place>. Tag them with a Wikiproject talk-page template if you really must keep tabs on people on such a basis. -hist- I'd want to see a more useful indication of likely size in terms of current stub articles on, not vague prognostications on what a lot of history Cincinnati has (or else for it to be created upmerged). For what's likely to be sensible in the first instance, look at the existing subcats of Category:Ohio stubs, to take the most obviously related type. Alai 06:47, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
I'd agree that a bio-stub is likely to be a problem (for reasons I've already mentioned above). A better idea might be to start with just a Cincinnati-stub and see how you go with that. If there look like there are likely to be enough stubs for a second stub type come back here with a definite proposal for a specific type (although be aware that the threshold of 30 stubs for a wikiproject only relates to a first basic WP stub type - you'd need 60 for a second type). Other than that, Peg's comments below are possibly a better soluton still - with a talk-page assessment template (cf. {{WPBeatles}}) you can mark all Cincinnati related articles, not just stubs (why do I keep wanting to add a second T in Cincinnati?). Grutness...wha? 01:26, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose stub type but support the talk page WP:C template. There are 72 items under Category:Cincinnati, Ohio and its immediate sub-cats which are stub-size, but nearly every one can be (and is) tagged with a current template, such as US-writer-stub, US-baseball-bio-stub, or a variety of building & structure stubs. Stub types are created after a significant number of applicable articles are created...not in anticipation of them. Cheers, Her Pegship (tis herself) 22:29, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
I just want all the tools other projects are privy to, such as WP:CHICAGO. This sort of stub is certainly not without prior precedent, and I'd really appreciate being able to have such a stub to only add to the number of options future project members will have. (Mind meal 02:58, 7 August 2007 (UTC))
In fact, WP:CHICAGO has only one stub template: {{Chicago-stub}}. Support a generic {{Cincinnati-stub}}, Oppose a -bio template. People move around a lot more than they used to, and we don't use such templates for similar material. Weak oppose to a -hist template. Such a template will be very narrow in scope and it might be a problem to keep it well "fed" with new material. I might be swayed though provided that this material shows a lot of growth. Valentinian T / C 22:57, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
There is also a {{Chicago-geo-stub}}, it must be said, as well as a separate one for the containing MSA. However, given the modest size of Category:Greater Cincinnati geography stubs, an analogue for Cincinnati proper would seem less than needed at present. (Upmerged, I'd have no objection to.) Alai 06:10, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
So is that a go for {{Cincinnati-stub}}? The discussion has been dead for a while and nobody has closed the discussion. It seems that the majority have no objection to {{Cincinnati-stub}}. (Mind meal 21:34, 13 August 2007 (UTC))

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New wintersports cats

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The result of the debate was create.
While looking at cutting down the Italy bio category I found a large number of Lugers, looking further a field I want to propose the following categories

All categories should have atleast 60 articles. Waacstats 14:35, 12 August 2007 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

Model Rail

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The result of the debate was create upmerged template.
{{model-rail-stub}} (29 stubs) Zabdiel 15:31, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

You might have missed a few, but it looks touch and go to make it to 60. But this merits at least an upmerged template, certainly; the existing taggings (generally "rail-stub" or "toy-stub") aren't really satisfactory. Alai 17:43, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

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Category:Gastropod stubs subtypes

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Oversized, and getting moreso as we speak. (No prizes for guessing of what.) I'll update with additional order-based counts (or finer-grained same) as things progress. Alai 02:37, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Certainly a busy bot. Support Valentinian T / C 22:51, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Don't even get me started... Alai 06:04, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Updated counts, at the order level:

and for families:

It's not impossible some nuancing with infraorders and superfamilies, and the like, might be required or advisable in places too. Alai 07:42, 9 August 2007 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

Category:Saxifragales stubs

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The result of the debate was create.
Plant articles in this category have no where else to be except under the large umbrella {{plant-stub}}. An intersection of Category:Saxifragales (and its subcats) and Category:Plant stubs found 51 pages. More may not be tagged with {{plant-stub}} or not categorized. --Rkitko (talk) 02:34, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

<list of articles cut>
You could probably divide by family, many might fall into Crassulaceae and Saxifragaceae, leaving the remainder in Saxifragales if it is handy. Will most general Wikipedia editors know what to do with stub situations like this, though, rather than asking plant editors in particular? The question on the Asteraceae stubs got no non-plant responses here simply because the taxonomy is not in the general knowledge of non-plant editors. You might find more useful responses asking plant editors, as there are a couple at least who work with Crassulaceae. I don't generally know anything about stub sorting, either, and questions on the plant page would have indicated I should have been adding stub tags to articles that I have not been adding. In this case, I think creating at least two families, maybe even one, would be useful. KP Botany 03:49, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, the stub categories for families in Saxifragales wouldn't be large enough to maintain a viable stub category, I suspect. See Alai's suggestion above about an upmerged template. I think that idea works the best. --Rkitko (talk) 13:01, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
I can't even find the Saxifragales stubs--this is red-linked. Can you link to the category you're talking about? Upmerging is fine if that's convenient, but I'm not sure what you're saying above. I thought the issue was they had no place but "under the large umbrella," which seems to be saying they need a more specific place, not a less specific one. KP Botany 16:30, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Category:Saxifragales stubs doesn't exist yet. What I believe Alai was saying above is that a template {{Saxifragales-stub}} could be created that would place articles that are tagged with that template in the main Category:Plant stubs. At least that's what I think "upmerged template" means! Is there a glossary around here of terms for newbies to this page? --Rkitko (talk) 17:24, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
If you find one, pop it on my talk page. No, there's no glossary and Wikipedia is jargon-laden, and difficult to navigate through to find information. I thought you were the one who posted the Saxifragales stubs issue? If there isn't one, there are enough articles to create one, it seems. These need to be discussed on WP:Plants, anyhow, as there are more knowledgable folks about this, there. KP Botany 17:30, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Indeed. That was my proposal that we create one for those stubs. I located at least 51 articles that would fit in that category. Sorry if that wasn't clear. --Rkitko (talk) 18:25, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Oh, yes, create one please. KP Botany 18:42, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Yes, that's exactly what's meant by an "upmerged template". I believe there is a glossary entry for that... somewhere. I'd have no objection to templates at the family level, if there's an anticipation of significant future use, but strictly speaking they'd all end up upmerged to Category:Plant stubs, at present. (Though 51 is likely to be in the "you'd get away with a category if you created it" zone, to be honest.) Alai 23:28, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
An incomplete quick run through the articles in the Saxifragales found 10-15 more articles that would fit this stub category, some that were categorized in Category:Tree stubs. --Rkitko (talk) 00:21, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Yay. I suggest a stub type with that scope, then, and as many upmerged by-family categories as the plantistos reckon would be useful in the longer term, and/or that you have the inclination to create. Alai 01:00, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Done. 92 articles in stub category. Found more than I thought! --Rkitko (talk) 15:33, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

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Deupmerge {{Luxembourg-sport-bio-stub}}

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There are currently 61 such stubs, and increasing. Deupmerge to Category:Luxembourgian sportspeople stubs in stubcats Category:Luxembourgian people stubs, Category:Sportspeople stubs by nationality, Category:European sportspeople stubs. Bastin 20:42, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Speaking personally, I think this is a) speediable, and b) pretty astonishing... Alai 00:13, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and speedily created it. As for astonishing, I can only say that I wish I had a resource like Polbot's. That never ceases to amaze me. Bastin 12:16, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
The Polbot comparison gives me a distinct sinking feeling. Is the implication that you'd use it to create an article for every person in Luxembourg? :) Alai 23:24, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Hehe. Fortunately not (although the fact that there are probably almost as many species in that database as there are people in Luxembourg is somewhat scary...). Having said that, I would like to be able to have articles on as many domestic athletics, cycling, and swimming champions as possible, which would number in the hundreds altogether. Bastin 09:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

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Split of Category:Motorcycle stubs

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The result of the debate was create as revised.
This category is over 700 and filled with all sorts of things that probably shouldn't be in there so I propose the following to try and clear some of these out

for articles relating to the variuos sports involving racing motorcycles

for biographical articles relating to racing motorcycles. I'm not to sure on the names or the templates so any suggested improvements are welcome, also any suggestions as to the text on the template would also be appreciated.Waacstats 15:17, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

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split of Category:Football (soccer) competition stubs

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Category currently over 700. The only single country I can find with enough articles for a stub type is England so i propose

after that i propose templates by governing body as per split of biography with categories for those that reach 60 so

note names are chosen to match biography stubs that is why NorthAm and Oceania cats are different, also with split by governing body most of Central America and the Caribbean goes into NorthAm and Australia goes into Asia. Waacstats 14:58, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Support the idea, but not the template names! Remember that many - probably most - competitions are not leagues, but are knockout cup competitions (the FA Cup being the best known). Unless you want two templates for each category (X-footy-league-stub and X-footy-cup-stub) we need better names. Oh, and there's no need to capitalise soccer in the cat names, either. Grutness...wha? 00:53, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
    • good point about the capital Soccer/soccer I have changed that. Regarding the templates, when I looked at the category it was showing as -league-, 12hrs later User:Alai came along and changed it to -competition- so I have changed the proposal to match (It appears that -competition is the official template and not -league-).Waacstats 12:05, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
      • Which I did after noticing this discussion, of course. :) (The template'd been moved long ago, but the category remained referring to the redirect.) Alai 23:34, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

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Africa-cuisine-stub

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While I haven't counted, I'm estimate that there are enough articles in Category:Cuisine stubs to justify a template (see Nigeria#Cuisine for a good amount of articles, and those are only Nigerian ones). Picaroon (t) 17:45, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

  • To clarify, this would he replacing {{cuisine-stub}} on articles in Category:Cuisine stubs. Picaroon (t) 00:11, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Yeah, that's standard practice, since "cuisine" is part of the new stub. Usual procedure in nthis case would be to make the template upmerged (i.e., pointing at the general Cuisine stubs and Africa stubs categories) and start using it - once we know for sure there are 60 stubs using it, then we can just re-point it to a new separate subcategory. I can't recall how we split cuisine stubs, but by continent or nation seems reasonable - mind you, for some reason we have a Japan-food-stub, with the Japan-cuisine-stub as a redirect. I'd like someone who knows more about the way they've been split in the past to comment here before giving a definite yay or nay. Grutness...wha? 00:40, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
    • My vague impression is that this is somewhat a case of, "ZOMG, the <X> stubs are oversized, let's split them by country", as against systematically planned decisions as to whether "food" or "cuisine" made the most sense at the country level. If we were to start to try to regularise them after the fact, presumbably "cuisine" would be current norm -- though equally one might argue that "food" was the more inclusive. Oh well. One does wonder if the distinction between the two is really clear and critical enough to be worth the candle in the first place... Alai 04:20, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
    I think by the whole continent is the best in this case, with the possibility of further splitting down by region eventually. I doubt we'd have enough stubs to split this proposed template down by country for quite a while. Picaroon (t) 01:18, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
  • The Japanese category seems to be the odd one out, everything else is cuisine. Shall I create {{Africa-cuisine-stub}}, without a category (for now), soon? Picaroon (t) 03:33, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

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Category:Bryophyte stubs

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Same as below with Saxifragales. Bryophyte articles include plenty of existing articles with a lot of potential creation of stubs in the future to fill in the non-vascular land plants. An intersection of Category:Bryophytes (and its subcats) and Category:Plant stubs located 65 articles. More are not tagged or categorized. --Rkitko (talk) 03:07, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

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Please don't post post mechanically-generated lists of articles here: the page gets plenty big, plenty quickly, as things stand. A link would suffice. Indeed, just a number generally does so. This one I'll happily support; for the Saxifragales, since the plant-stubs are currently at a very manageable size, and they're below theshold, perhaps just an upmerged template. Alai 04:06, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Ah, sorry about that; I didn't know not to post lists. I'd agree with you on the Saxifragales, then. I just started weeding through the plant stubs category and found a large number of Saxifragales along the way. --Rkitko (talk) 12:55, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

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Category:Algae stubs

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Would like to propose creating this stub type and category. An intersection of Category:Algae and its subcats with Category:Plant stubs + Category:Protist stubs found 64 articles. This category would be categorizing the stubs more specifically while removing some articles from the near-oversized protist stubs category and the plants category (green algae). --Rkitko (talk) 18:28, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Support. There's some potential taxonomic headaches in here, but this aligns with the permcat, and seems highly useful on the basis of likely differential editing. Alai 21:12, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

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Economics of education

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Proposal to create/keep the stub Economics of education. Pardon my creating of the stub before its suggestion. It has been called for deletion, as such I propose that it remain; or, if that it is deleted that the stub be created. The article would be classed high priority for both economics and education. --Kenneth M Burke 23:54, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

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Christopher Scott, Professional Photographer

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I believe that there needs to be a stub created for Christopher Scott, a professional photographer from Jackson, Mississippi. He has made his way from 'up and coming freelancer' to 'phenomenal professional', having photographed several celebrities, bands, and models, as well as maintaining a high profile clientele. His website can be viewed at Christopher Scott Gallery. He deserves to be on Wikipedia since he is catching the Art and Fashion industry by storm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ecuador234 (talk • contribs)

This page is only for the approval of templates and categories, not for articles. I've left a note on your talk page. Valentinian T / C 14:20, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

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Upmerged templates for Asian politicians

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Some time ago, User:Thomas.macmillan sorted the entire material relating to African politicians by country, creating templates for next to all of these countries (if I remember correctly, Western Sahara is missing due to its status as a disputed territory and so are a few minor French islands near Africa), and South and Central America only lack three templates to be split off the same way as well (Suriname, Guyana and Belize). I've been thinking about creating upmerged <country>-politician-stub templates for the Asian nations since Category:Asian politician stubs is at 500+ and rather unwieldy given the large number of countries. Trouble is that I haven't done a proper count of this material for quite a while. Should I do a count for each of them and list them all on here or is this too bureaucratic? My guess would be that {{Palestine-politician-stub}} would be only template that might cause problems, but on the other hand, we already have both {{Palestine-stub}} and {{Palestine-bio-stub}}, so I think even this one will be in the clear. Thoughts? Valentinian T / C 09:42, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Sounds sensible to me - in fact it sounds very much like what I've been doing with the geo-stubs - in Africa the only missing ones are the politically problematical Western Sahara and the "how to name it" problem of British Indian Ocean Territories. Virtually every nation/territory/whatever now has a Foo-geo-stub, and it's probably worth having Foo-bio-stub, Foo-stub, and Foo-politician-stub for them too, upmerged wherever necessary. Grutness...wha? 12:12, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
A lot of things will get easier once we have the most common templates in place for all nations. I was considering upmerged templates for the European politicians as well (except for the usual problematic cases: Kosovo, Moldova/Transnistria and Cyprus). Valentinian T / C 13:12, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
On the subject of which, I've just speedied a new version of TRNC-geo-stub and protected it :( Hmmm. I wonder if the articles in Category:Pope stubs should get {{Vatican-politician-stub}}... :) Grutness...wha? 13:34, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, if we'd had a {{Cardinal-stub}} it might have made a nice redirect. (grin). Valentinian T / C 13:52, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't think we need counts or size thresholds for upmerged templates at all, and I'd certainly support all these. Anything "countryish" enough for a general or -geo- stub type (or even template) should be fine to also have -politician- template. (For -bios, there's admittedly the possible difficulty with disputed regions of whether they fall foul of the 'subregion' issues of identification and "movement".) Alai 01:17, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
In that case, I'll more or less interpret this as a general go-ahead for creating upmerged -politician templates. My first priority is to create templates for the missing entries in Asia and Europe. The Caribbean and Oceania aren't that urgent, but then again, we might as well get it done. Speaking of Europe, I'm not sure what to do with Cyprus and Moldova. Cypriot -bio and -footy-bio templates have previously been approved on this page but they've never been created. What do we do? Ignore the island or create the three missing templates and lock them down right away? In the case of Moldova, the -politician template shouldn't be that much of a problem, except that I have a feeling I'll hear no end of **, if I add it to material relating to items east of a certain river. I still consider it to be advertisement for a secessionist regime to have {{Transnistria-stub}} around. Btw, unless I hear any massive protests, I'll remove the sesessionist flag from this template. Valentinian T / C 19:52, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
I would in fact strongly urge removal of said flag. Such rationale as we might have for a Transnistria-stub would be that it's either a state-of-sorts, or it's a subdivision of Moldova, and we could have a stub type for either of those. Iconifying it thusly nails things down to the former in an acceptable POV way, I believe. The disputed regions aren't necessarily covered by the above suggestion: it depends rather whether they exist because there's some sort of consensus to have them, or because of a mere absence of a consensus them. If they're in the latter state, feel free to ignore them as regards being any sort of precedent. Alai 23:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Flag removed. That leaves us with the Cypriot problem. It would make sense to me if an admin created the three missing upmerged templates (-bio, -footy-bio, and -politician) and locked them down afterwards. Valentinian T / C 06:43, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

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A rag-tag bag of geo-stub categories templates, part 1

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As I've mentioned here and at other stub process pages several times recently, I've been going through the remaining "countries" adding upmerged geo-stub templates, with the aim of having a specific geo-stub template name for every country, territory, or other "country-like entity". All but a handful now have, the remainder being - no offense intended by this comment - the "dregs" of the sorting: several tiny states which have problems relating to their naming or status which makes a straightforward templating less straightforward. The following few are all straightforward enough in terms of political status, but have naming concerns, so I'm bringing them here for discussion before creating templates for them - any suggestions regarding the names are welcome:

{{UK-IndianOcean-geo-stub}}
{{BIOT-geo-stub}}
{{BritishIndianOcean-geo-stub}}
{{BritishIndianOceanTerritory-geo-stub}}
{{Chagos-geo-stub}} (BIOT is also called the Chagos Archipelago, though this name is a little less obvious for a template)
{{BritishVirgins-geo-stub}}
{{UK-Virgins-geo-stub}}
{{UnitedStatesVirgins-geo-stub}}
{{USVirgins-geo-stub}}
{{US-Virgins-geo-stub}}
{{Turks-geo-stub}} (to parallel Trinidad-geo-stub, Antigua-geo-stub, etc)
{{TurksandCaicos-geo-stub}}
{{TurksCaicos-geo-stub}} (To parallel SaintKittsNevis-geo-stub)
{{Turks&Caicos-geo-stub}}

Whatever is decided for the Turks and Caicos Islands would also hopefully be usable as a model for Wallis and Futuna and for Saint Pierre and Miquelon.

My own preferences would be for BritishIndianOceanTerritory-geo-stub, BritishVirgins-geo-stub, USVirgins-geo-stub and Turks-geo-stub (and therefore Wallis-geo-stub and SaintPierre-geo-stub). Input would be very welcome!

Grutness...wha? 12:32, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Just to be 100% clear, are you proposing categories, per the header, or upmerged templates? Name-wise I'd have the same preference as yourself, with a slight caveat about Turks-geo-stub: might that not be slightly ambiguous-sounding? I'm possibly marginally leaning towards TurksCaicos-geo-stub. Alai 12:45, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
My fault - yeah, just upmerged templates. None of these have over about 20 stubs. Turks is perhaps a tad ambiguous, which is one of the reasons I brought it here - SaintKittsNevis-geo-stub is an anomaly, largely because there's a big seperatist sentiment in Nevis (IIRC there was even a vote on independence not that long ago), so the name was designed to keep everyone as happy as possible. Grutness...wha? 14:08, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Just to avoid any fun remarks when we begin creating generic templates for the BVI and the USVI, how about names that contain "VirginIslands" one way or the other? Valentinian T / C 19:41, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Yeah I suppose so, though all other island groups avoid the word "{islands" in their templates. Still, redirects could keep the "island-less" form consistent. Grutness...wha? 00:20, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
My hunch on the naming business would be {{TurksCaicos-geo-stub}}, {{BritishIndianOcean-geo-stub}}, {{USVirginIslands-geo-stub}} and {{BritishVirginIslands-geo-stub}}. I normally hate redirects but perhaps {{BVI-geo-stub}} and {{USVI-geo-stub}} might make sensible redirects. Valentinian T / C 14:07, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Okay. Looks like redirects will be useful here, so I'll go with

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