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Yup, good fixes, Taak :) FT2 21:27, Aug 1, 2004 (UTC)

Michigan Transactional Analysis

Can anyone clarify for me exactly which writers or thinkers would be referred to as "Michigan Transactional Analysis"? I believe that is the school of TA that came up with a rather specific 9-part breakdown of the psyche, which Bandler and Grinder (of NLP fame/infamy) were influenced by, but ridiculed for its rigidity and artificiality. -- Jmabel | Talk 22:16, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

I have been a member, officer, and committee member of the International Transactional Analysis Association since 1970. I have also been a member and officer of the USA group since it was founded in the mid 1970's. There has not been a Michigan Transactional Analysis school. There was a group know as the Huron Valley Institute located in Ann Arbor Michigan led by Stanley Woolams, Michael Brown and Kristyn Huige. Woolams and Brown wrote Transactional Analysis: A Modern and Comprehensive Text of TA Theory and Practice, 1978 Huron Valey Institute Press. There are diagrams in the book that break ego states into nine parts. None of the three are currently affiliated with any TA Association.

Jonathon Wagner, Chair, ITAA Internet Committee, Moderator ITAA-forum at yahoogroups.--209.74.154.184 03:42, 29 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, the "nine parts" and a Michigan location makes it pretty clear this is whom they were talking about. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:04, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

"Inner child"

I notice that the phrase "inner child appears nowhere in this article. I believe it has TA origins, and it has certainly passed into the language. If someone knows about this on a more solid basis than I do, could you please cite and add to the article? Thanks. -- Jmabel | Talk 22:16, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

In 1993 I was the conference coordinator for the ITAA conference Addiction In Society: Shame Addiction and the Child Ego State. Richard Subby was a featured speaker and guest workshop leader. He is one of several people working in 12 step programs for addictins who have some training in trnsactional analysis. It is this group of professionals who adapted the adapted the transactional analysis chid ego states to the inner child language. Because so much of 12 step care focuses on the internal workings of the mind, inner child is a phrase that fits well with those self help groups.

Jonathon Wagner, Currently, Chair ITAA Internet Committee, Moderator for ITAA-forum at yahoogroups.--209.74.154.184 03:12, 29 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. I am certain, though, that the expression goes back at least to the mid-1970s. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:08, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
Ditto. I would be amazed if Berne and those around him hadn't used the term 'inner child' in the 60s, even if it wasn't written down (fx: goes home to check) The Land 16:16, 8 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

We have a number of links in the 'scepticism' section that are more about Jacqui Schiff and regression or rebirthing than TA as laid out by Berne.

Should the article here be updated, or the links moved? The Land 23:41, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If they are genuinely off-topic, then certainly they should be removed. Regression and rebirthing are not at all inherent in TA. - Jmabel | Talk 17:34, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The web site "www.ericberne.com" cannot be called "the official web site of Eric Berne" since he died in 1970 and therefore could never have had or even seen a web site, official or otherwise. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.239.159.6 (talk • contribs) 31 January 2007. it can be if his estate or the ITAA set it up for him.Jiohdi 17:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]


I don't see how the link to "The "Suicide-Prevention Contract": A Dangerous Myth." is relevant to TA. The linked article makes no reference to TA and seems to be related to psychotherapy in general. --Mattrob 02:51, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Life Positions

There is nothing in this article about Life Positions of "I'm OK/Not OK, and you're OK/Not OK" is this not a principle of modern TA? NinjaKid 10:35, 27 March 2007 (UTC) Is Life Positions a central concept on a par with transactions and script (games)? 195.27.17.4 11:39, 26 April 2007 (UTC)Jpur[reply]

Kinds of transactions - Reciprocal

Hi, I wondered whether example 2 (A: "Would you like to come and watch a film with me?" - Child to Child). B: "I'd love to - what shall we go and see?" - Child to Child) is actually a good example of child to child communcation. I couldn't quite see it myself. Cheers, --Rebroad 11:18, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Controversy" section

I am not clear on why the existence of a French pyramid scheme involving TA is any more relevant to TA than controversy about Amway would be to an article on soap. - Jmabel | Talk 00:49, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I see looking through the history that I had removed similar material in December and that it was anonymously restored in February. I will therefore allow time for comment, rather than simply remove it myself. - Jmabel | Talk 00:55, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe it would balance POV to note that if such a scheme or scam existed, it would likely be a local phenomenon, since Games People Play seems to advocate TA's adoption by the psychological community, rather than by a select group. After all, people have turned more mainstream concepts into cults before. --205.201.141.146 17:31, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I note there is no mention of the Schiff scandal.

Ego states, Games People Play and Psychoanalytic

The ego states reflect the Freudian ego, including the superego but not the rest of the id. Games People Play is technically poor, in that some of the "games" have no switch, so are in fact rackets. TA is not a psychoanalytic therapy, in that insight (awareness) is only part of the intended result (autonomy). The biography of Berne by Ian Stewart (Berne Institute) is a good reference for TA ideas.

—The preceding comment was added by 195.27.17.4 07:35, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[User:Jpur] 07:26, 25 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

De Vries

I feel that De Vries's article is important here, but not sure where to add it or how: What's Playing in the Organizational Theater? Collusive Relationships in Management MFRK De Vries, Human Relations, 1999 http://www.springerlink.com/content/t88101p7681458m6/

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