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This is an archive of discussions from Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals for the month of July 2007. Please move completed July discussions to this page as they occur, add discussion headers to each proposal showing the result, and leave incomplete discussions on the Proposals page. After July, the remainder of the discussions will be moved to this page, whether stub types have been created or not.

Those who create a stub template/cat should be responsible for moving the discussion here and listing the stub type in the archive summary.

Stub proposers please note: Items tagged as "nocreate" or "no consensus" are welcome for re-proposal if and when circumstances are auspicious.

NRHP stub

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The result of the debate was create upmerged state templates as needed, cats when needed.
I'm workign on a project to potentially create a large number of stub articles from the National Park Service's NRHP database and it would probably nice to a stub solely for those articles since there will probably be 100's if not more. There is also a WikiProject specifically to expand on these articles so having a single stub tag would make it easier to track them down. Something like {{nrhp-stub}}. pw 02:05, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Good idea, I think the first few states will be FL, IL and OH so I can do that. pw 04:09, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
OK. In particular, "locations" and "buildings and structures" generally get stub-sorted separately, so can I ask which you plan on creating, for the most part, and in roughly what sorts of numbers? (If it's a bit open-ended, perhaps just templates such as {{Ohio-NRHP-struct-stub}}, "upmerge" to the parent categories for the time being?) Alai 04:26, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Its a little of both, some locations such as historic areas / districts, some structures. I can get you exact numbers, but currently I do not have them on me (database isn't at home right now). If you look at some of the currently lists like List_of_Registered_Historic_Places_in_Ohio you can see that there are quite a lot of them but many of those may actually exist as other articles, about the persons related to them etc. pw 05:33, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Exact numbers aren't necessary, just bear in mind that separate categories need 60 articles, but also as I say that it would be neater if these aligned as much as possible with existing stub types. Alai 06:40, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
For that reason, the newly created Ohio category is now at sfd... please note Alai's comment about opmerged templates! Grutness...wha? 02:05, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

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{{Rail:Signaling}}

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Is this a proposal? If so, of what kind? You seem to be suggestinbg a non-stub template here. Or do you mean some kind of {{Rail-signal-stub}}? Speak to us! Grutness...wha? 00:55, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Or otherwise signal! Alai 01:36, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

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4 speediable

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To fit the scoupe of the by then revived R&B and Soul Music WikiProject. Eduemoni↑talk↓ 03:14, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, to start with, they're not "speediable", and - since they already exist and are listed at WP:WSS/D, they can't really be proposed (since proposal, by definition, is something that happens before a stub type is created). It would rpobably be better to keep discussion to the one location - preferably at WP:WSS/D, sinc that's where it started. Grutness...wha? 05:37, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
PS - FWIW, "Speediable" stub types are those where a previously proposed upmerged template is on enough use that a separate above-threshold category can be created for it. Grutness...wha? 07:36, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

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2 more speediable categories

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The following templates have also reached de-upmerger point so I propose categories for

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3 (speediable?) categories

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the following templates have all passed 60 so I propose de-upmerging them to the relevant category

Also will need to rename the respective catch-all categories. (does that need to be done here or sfd). Waacstats 12:27, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I support speedying in both respects. (I've tweaked the tls and cls above to correspond to the existing stubs.) Alai 13:24, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

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Marvel Comics subtypes

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The result of the debate was create by title.
Category:Marvel Comics stubs is another that's sneaked over 800 when I wasn't looking. Most of these seem to be characters, so I suggest we split those out -- I think I might have proposed that before. That could be split up into assorted subcats, such as: supporting characters, mutants characters with superhuman strength, superheroes, deities and immortals (all of which there's permcats and the numbers for), but I'm not sure there'd be much point or support. But I'd also like to propose:

which seems more clearly distinct. Alai 05:40, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

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A speediable geo-stub

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Someone's been busy, increasing the number of {{Tuvalu-geo-stub}}s from 14 to 80 over the last few weeks. A Category:Tuvalu geography stubs is now viable. Grutness...wha? 07:31, 7 July 2007 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

{{Luxembourg-stub}} subcategories

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The result of the debate was create.
Two new subcategories of Category:Luxembourg stubs, under the aegis of WikiProject Luxembourg:

Bastin 11:25, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Update: Since I made the proposal, I have created 13 new station stubs and 1 new line stub. Hence, there are now 48 rail stubs and 78 building and structure stubs in total. Bastin 12:59, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Support based on the numbers mentioned above. Od Mishehu 11:46, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Created: Since there was no opposition in six days, and the numbers to which I was referring vis-à-vis railway station stubs are coming to fruition, I have gone ahead and created both stub types, and am in the process of tagging them. Bastin 18:16, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

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Romanian geography, by counties and regions

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We've already started splitting Romania by "county", so this is probably speediable:

Given the large number of counties, however, it'll probably be necessary after that to upmerge to the development regions of Romania, new-fangled makey-uppy agglomerations of counties for NUTS and subsidy-farming purposes, and also handy for ours. (Parent is oversized, btw.) Alai 03:35, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

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create {{london-stub}}

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To cover the many London UK stubs not covered by the very specific stub types already listed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barliner (talk • contribs)

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Category:Cambodian people stubs

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A genuinely speediable one this time, as per comments at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals#Stub Help. The upmerged {{cambodia-bio-stub}} now has some 75 stubs. Grutness...wha? 23:42, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Sped. No need to wait 5 days for this one. Valentinian T / C 18:48, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

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HR

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Request for approval...Cookie Monster 09:14, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

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more bird orders

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Sudden huge increase in several of the organism stub types, including the Category:Bird stubs. These additional orders look viable:

These are just based on infoboxing, so very likely to be undercounts. Much as I hate to pile on the "over-speedying", I'm inclined to do these one (and the other taxon-based cases to follow shortly) in a day or so if there are no substantiative objections: we've already started splitting by order, and the names should be straightforward (article and permcats use these in each case). (It looks like there's a db dump fairly imminent, and it'd be handy to take care of some of the more humungous cases before then, and see where that leaves us with the remainder.) Alai 21:59, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

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Category:Hasidic Judaism stubs

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Evidently ad hoc unproposed stub types to do with some aspect or other of Hasidism will continue to spring and attract staunch (or at least, numerous) defenders at SFD, but it still strikes me as a neater solution to have a Category:Hasidic Judaism stubs type; at the least, it can serve as an umbrella for all those other ones. Alai 03:34, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Support, as per my comments at WP:SFD. Grutness...wha? 00:55, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

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{{Internet-bcast-stub}} / Category:Internet broadcasting stubs

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I find over 75 articles that would fall in here, looking at Category:Internet radio, Category:Internet television, Category:Internet stubs, Category:Podcasting and Category:Internet publication stubs. There is currently a {{Internet-tv-stub}} over at Discoveries, and I propose we eliminate that and use this proposed stub/cat for any radio, tv or other audio/visual media produced for the Internet. Her Pegship (tis herself) 06:10, 7 July 2007 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

Create {{compu-sp-stub}}

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This existing stub is the closest I can find: {{compu-bio-stub}}

Which returns: This biographical article relating to a computer specialist is a stub.

However what is needed hear is stub status reading: This article is a computer specialist related stub.

I can see a number of articles that need to move to this status. This thought came to me when I saw that Systems analyst had no proper stub to go into. But there are many computer related articles that should also go into this stub instead of the more general overal computer stub. This is not hardware, not software, networking but encompasses all as would computer related but at a more complex level. --akc9000 (talk • contribs • count) 12:57, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually the -sp- is for specialist. This stub would not only concern itself with people who have jobs, but rather anything that is computer specialist in nature or expert. That does not fall under software, hardware or networking seperately. --akc9000 (talk • contribs • count) 01:17, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I realize you're proposing that -sp- stand for "specialist"; I'm telling you that a) it's not the appropriate term here, as it invites scope confusion, and b) that it's an inappropriately cryptic abbreviation thereof. I reiterate my -job- suggestion, which is clearer on both counts, and serves the role you propose. Alai 03:44, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
How about {{Compu-term-stub}}, similar to the existing Geo-term-stub and Poli-term-stub, to cover computer terminology? That might sweep up a lot of the things which relate to computing but which don't fall under the soft/hard/network/bio categories. Would that solve the problem? Grutness...wha? 01:33, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

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Category:Muroid rodent stubs/{{muroid-stub}}

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Category:Rodent stubs is out of controll (over 1000 articles). Going through the list, a lot of the animals in the category are "rats" or "mice", which is most of Muroid rodents are. Od Mishehu 11:44, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Strong Holy Crap -- over 1600, now. I wonder if a yet-finer split is in fact indicated, given the sheer volume, (It would also be useful if these bot-created articles were being given appropriate taxonomical categories.) Alai 03:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

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Logic

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Request for a speedy approval. I have populated the category. There is a substantial work on a proposed Wikipedia:WikiProject Logic, and Portal:Logic. There are pov issues arising which have lead to an increased need for the general category:logic rather than math-logic.

The category is consistent with WikiProject Philosophy stub categories.

Please understand the meaning of the word "proposal" -you cannot propose something that has already been done. This stub type is already listed at WP:SFD, and discussion on it should take place there - not be split between two different pages. This stub type is inconsistent with the other logic stub type which already exists, hence its location there - one or the other of the two stub types needs drastic altering as a result. And speedying of stub types is usually only for categories where proposed and approved upmerged stub types already exist, or for stubtypes where there is broad consensus in WP:WSS of a split into specific subtypes of an overused stub template. Neither of these reasons applies in this case. Grutness...wha? 00:15, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

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Systems Engineering

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Request for a speedy approval of the stub - there is a significant body of knowledge around systems engineering that relates to ERP Systems and Production and Manufacturing and Information Technology in general.

Broadly speaking Systems Engineering is the discipline focused on the design and implementation of the business processes and information technology (software) tools used in contemporary businesses.

The category is consistent with WikiProject Category:Engineering stubs

  • I think we obviously need to add "grounds for speedying" to a guideline or FAQ somewhere: it seems to be flavour of the month to use it as a generic intensifier. At any rate, this isn't such a case, so strongly oppose speedy creation. I have my doubts about this one, as "interdisciplinary" often in practice means "horrendously fuzzy and overlapping scope". But I'm open to being persuaded if there's evidence of 60 or more stubs that are more appropriately tagged with this than anything else. Alai 18:07, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

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Fungus stubs

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— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ricardo Carneiro Pires (talk • contribs)

  • I must admit to being tempted by this (with somewhat guidelineified names), as it would hammer down on the size of a very oversized category, and reduce double-stubbing. But wouldn't it be better to keep them tagged by phylum as at present, and re-sort the plant-disease-stubs by type of plant they infect? Category:Cereal disease stubs, etc. Unfortunately, categorisation on that axis wasn't great when I last looked... Alai 03:16, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
In any case, the template and category names need tweaking. Valentinian T / C 11:12, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

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Split of Category:Martial arts stubs

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This category is almost at 700 stubs and we seem to have no consitent way of splitting these yet (we have -bio, -film and mixedmartialart- ). 2 Possible splits would be

with 70-90 stubs each. We could go for either or both but i don't know how much if any overlap exists. Which ever way we go

would seem useful either to stop judo stubs being swamped with over 400 biographies or just as a split of the 600+ strong Category:Martial arts biography stubs Waacstats 15:44, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

According to a count using AWB, there would be 127 Judo stubs and 120 Martial arts terminology stubs, and 381 Judo biography stubs. Per those numbers, I support. Od Mishehu 04:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

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Split of Category:Belgian people stubs

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Just about oversize I propose the following

figures per catscan, Sport-bio-stub would also have cycling-bio and footy-bio as subcats. Waacstats 18:36, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry scrap the writers, just seems to be a large amount of under sorting to an existing category.Waacstats 18:38, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

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Category:Indian television stubs

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Currently {{India-tv-stub}} categorizes articles under Category:Asian television stubs. Over 76 articles are using the Indian stub template. I feel these articles should be categorized under Category:Indian television stubs. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 03:17, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Speedy create. Precedent exists, see e.g. Category:Japanese television stubs Valentinian T / C 10:44, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

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Category:Star Trek: Deep Space Nine episode stubs, Category:Star Trek: Voyager episode stubs

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De-upmerge:

Her Pegship (tis herself) 22:19, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Support. Alai 22:42, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

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Split from Category:Television episode stubs

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The result of the debate was create as Science fiction television episode stubs.
I would like to propose a new stub type, Category:Science fiction episode stubs, as a subtype of Category:Television episode stubs, two examples of articles in this category would be The Girl Who Was Plugged In (Welcome To Paradox) or The Human Factor (2002 The Outer Limits). Carpetsmoker 21:14, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

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Sub-cat for Category:American football stubs

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Would like to add two one sub-cat for this category. One for National Football League specific stubs and one for College football specific stubs. To clarify, College football stubs exist at Category:College football stubs, I want to move that under the American football stubs cat.Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat  11:53, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Not only does the college type already exist, it already is a subcat of Category:American football stubs. I'm not sure there'd be much point in a separate NFL stub type, simply because the vast majority of American football articles are such, the main exceptions being terminology, and people who're only notable for their college careers. Would this actually get us anywhere, aside from a lot of renaming, and introducing the possibility of inconsistent tagging and double-stubbing? Alai 15:55, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
  • My eye must have skipped over that per College. Don't know how I missed that. Well maybe I'm not expressing this clearly...but my understanding of stubs (again - i may be wrong) is to note articles that need to expand. Maybe NFL stub wouldn't be the correct term, but a number of player articles are stubs. There doesn't seem to be any quick way to identify which player articles are stub length of those players who appeared in NFL games. That was what I was looking for. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat  17:06, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Player articles of stub length will appear in Category:American football biography stubs, and its numerous subcats. "Those who appeared in NFL games" (which would be even more widely scoped than "those primarily notable for playing in NFL games") would be, at a guess, the vast majority of them. That's why splitting by league was rejected in favour of splitting by playing position and "era". Alai 19:14, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

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Category:Fabaceae stubs to be split by subfamilies

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--Ricardo 12:53, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

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Category:Video game musician stubs to be split by nationality

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I propose a nationality split of the category of video game musician stubs. There are many Japanese and American video game musicians described at Wikipedia. The original video game musician stub type template should be used for nationalities other than Japanese and American. The proposals are:

Decimus Tedius Regio Zanarukando 03:26, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

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split of Category:European sports venue stubs

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Category over 700 and creeping towards oversize, can't quite find any country reaching 60 with catscan but hopefully will pick up a few extra through hand sorting. The following all appear to be over 30 articles and atleast in my view worthwhile having:

All upmerged to Category:European sports venue stubs and the relevant building and structure category. Waacstats 22:43, 27 July 2007 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

split of Category:Figure skater stubs

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As above, Category over 700 and heading towards 800, catscan does not give country 60 however all the following would have atleast 30 uses:

all upmerged to Category:Figure skater stubs and the relevent wintersport-bio- / sport-bio- / -bio- stub category. Also possibly a Category:European figure skater stub with a {{Euro-figure-skater-stub}} to mop up. Waacstats 22:43, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

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2 -sport-bio-stubs

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both ukraine and belarus have enough articles for a sport-bio-stub. In the case of Ukraine it would already have 2 sub cats (athletics and football) and if the above proposal is passed then an upmerged template while belarus already has 1 upmerged template (athletics). I propose the following:

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Millenium Development Goals

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I propose a stub for the UN Project page, --Wfwpeurope 22:41, 26 July 2007 (UTC)wfwpeurope

See {{UN-stub}} or, for the project talk page banner, {{WikiProject United Nations}}. Her Pegship (tis herself) 23:04, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

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Category:Czech Republic geography stubs sub-types

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I propose split of Czech-geo-stub to 13 stubs, consistent with primary administrative subdivision of the country. Four stubs were already created by Alai year ago. The rest is getting close to 700 articles and a split is needed, plus all municipalities are not yet covered and it is only a matter of time when hundreds of new articles will appear. Therefore I propose:

- Darwinek 19:24, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

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Category:Estonian politician stubs

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De upmerge {{Estonia-politician-stub}}. Now 60+ articles. If anybody is game for finding a few more articles somewhere; the following countries are getting close: Croatia (58), Zimbabwe (57, not a joke), Nicaragua (56), Honduras (54), Ghana (52), El Salvador (52), Panama (50), Somalia (47), Amazingly, Eritrea has jumped from one article to 44 in around a year. Valentinian T / C 22:25, 24 July 2007 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

Category:Laotian people stubs

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De upmerge {{Laos-bio-stub}}. Now 60+ articles. Valentinian T / C 21:57, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Btw, Category:Nepali people stubs is getting very close with 57 articles. If anybody knows some unsorted material here, it would be great. Valentinian T / C 22:06, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

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Category:Kyrgyz people stubs

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de upmerge {{Kyrgyzstan-bio-stub}} as now over 60 articles. Waacstats 22:34, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

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New videogame subtypes

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{{Atari-stub}}, Category:Atari stubs

To include articles related to video game company Atari (in any of it's incarnations)- Stub examples (this list is just from the A and B sections of List of Atari 2600 games) - Air Raid (video game), Alien (Atari 2600), Alpha Beam with Ernie, Artillery Duel, Astrosmash, Atlantis (Atari 2600), BASIC Programming, Bachelor Party (video game), Bank Heist, Barnstorming (video game), Basic Math (video game), Basketball (video game), Beamrider, Beat 'Em & Eat 'Em, Big Bird's Egg Catch, Blackjack (Atari 2600), Bowling (video game), Boxing (video game), Bump 'n' Jump — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnnyMrNinja (talk • contribs)

{{TakeTwo-stub}}, Category:Take-Two Interactive stubs

Take Two - A giant videogame company, owner of Rockstar (Grand Theft Auto) and Firaxis (Civilization IV). Most of the company profiles are stubs themselves. - Firaxis Games, Sid Meier's Gettysburg!, Sid Meier's Antietam!, Civilization Revolution, Frog City Software, Imperialism II: Age of Exploration, Trade Empires, Tropico 2: Pirate Cove, PopTop Software, Irrational Games, SWAT 4: The Stetchkov Syndicate, TDK Mediactive, Aquaman: Battle for Atlantis, Visual Concepts, All-Pro Football 2K8, NCAA College Football 2K3, Kush Games, Global Star Software, Gathering of Developers, Gotham Games, TalonSoft, Rockstar Japan, Rockstar Leeds, Rockstar Lincoln, Rockstar London, Rockstar San Diego, Rockstar Toronto, Rockstar Vancouver, Rockstar Vienna — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnnyMrNinja (talk • contribs)

{{Ubisoft-stub}}, Category:Ubisoft stubs

Ubisoft - Another giant videogame company see Category:Ubisoft Entertainment games - 187 Ride or Die, Alexander (computer game), America's Army: Rise of a Soldier, America’s Army: True Soldiers, Asphalt Urban GT, Astonishia Story, B.A.T., Babyz, Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker (video game), etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnnyMrNinja (talk • contribs)

{{SCE-stub}}, {{SOE-stub}}, {{Sony-videogame-stub}}, {{SOE-game-stub}} Category:Sony Computer Entertainment stubs

Sony Computer Entertainment, makers of PlayStation products, and Sony Online Entertainment makers of Everquest and other online games - 007 Racing, 102 Dalmatians: Puppies to the Rescue, 2 On 2 Open Ice Challenge, 2 Xtreme, Central Station (online gaming service), DNAS, Ducks demo, HDD Utility Disc, Official PlayStation Magazine - Ireland, PSGL, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnnyMrNinja (talk • contribs)
  • I've refactored this proposal a little, since there are four very similar types being proposed here. Category:Video game stubs is far from being oversized, and the usual split is by genre rather than company, though we do have some company splits. Shouldn't be too bad if the individual games are double-stubbed with genre-specific templates as well, thoughSupport, but only weakly, the first three. In the last case, though, weak support with a different name. SOE = State-owned enterprises and SCE = School certificate examinations - among other things (see SOE and SCE) - so something like {{SonyComputer-stub}}, or better still, {{Sony-videogame-stub}}, would be a far better name. Grutness...wha? 01:23, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

For some reason signing didn't occur to me on these pages. I would also like to point out that I do plan on populating these categories if they are created.

What I realized when I was digging through "What links here" for Taito Corporation to populate the {{tl:Taito-videogame-stub}}, is that there are a ton of stubs that have no stub templates. Many are even rated as "Stubs" There are also many games that have no game categories, and no {{cvgproj}} on the discussion page. My thinking is that creating these categories encourages people (like me) to add templates to types of games they're interested in, and to go through and try to improve those articles (I'm partial to Category:Fighting-game-stubs). Looking at the list of top Video game publishers, I have some new proposals. More huge companies, and MS-DOS -

{{Activision-stub}}, {{Infocom-stub}}, Category:Activision stubs

Activision 3rd ranked publisher- Giant game company, going back to the Atari 2600 days, and their property Infocom, which was one of the first big computer game companies.

{{THQ-stub}}, Category:THQ stubs

7th ranked game publisher

{{Disney-videogame-stub}}, Category:Disney video game stubs

Games either made by Buena Vista Games, 18th ranked publisher, or about Disney.

{{SCi-videogame-stub}} {{Eidos-stub}}, Category:SCi video game stubs

SCi and Eidos Interactive (which it recently purchased), 16th ranked publisher.

{{MSDOS-game-stub}} {{Computer-game-stub}}, Category:MS-DOS game stubs Category:Computer game stubs

Games that came out on MS-DOSpersonal computers home computers, there were a lot of them made, and more than a few on here have no template on them. This includes IBM PC compatibles, Apple Macs and IIes, Amigas, etc.
I've been trying to think of a better title, one that would include all old computers like that. It would be a really useful category, if I could think of a title. As it is, I am changing the proposal to personal computers. That should be clearer. ~ JohnnyMrNinja {talk} 07:14, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I take it you mean "Computer game" rather than "Personal computer" as that's what the proposal has changed to? I'd support "Computer game", but "Personal computer" still suggests PC to me. Miremare 11:56, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
IBM did take over the meaning of PC to most people. I've changed it to home computer. ~ JohnnyMrNinja {talk} 16:16, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, which name are you proposing? You just said "Home computer", but it says "Computer game" at the top after the crossed out "MSDOS game stub". Miremare 01:35, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
I just changed the description. I had only used the phrase "personal computer" in the description, so I changed the description to say "home computer". The proposed name for the stub type was the same both times, Computer game stubs, as computer game is common usage for a game on a home or personal computer. ~ JohnnyMrNinja {talk} 01:50, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

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Category:Poetry year stubs

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The result of the debate was no consensus.
Poetry stubs are oversized, and there'd be 183 of these. Alai 00:07, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Grand idea, coding should follow the pattern of "yyyys-novel-stub" format I imagine. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 08:07, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
One of us misunderstands Alai's suggestion, I think. I'd assumed it was for articles such as 1879 in poetry, rather than a suggestion to split up poetry by decade. Not that that would be a bad idea, but I'm not sure it's needed quite yet. Grutness...wha? 08:52, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Sorry for being cryptic; Grutness is quite correct. Alai 03:23, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
There is an {{inc-lit}} template; wouldn't that suffice? Her Pegship (tis herself) 17:39, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

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Category:Baseball stubs subtypes

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The result of the debate was create baseball season stubs.

Yet another oversized type, these look viable and more or less sensible. Alai 23:48, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

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Category:Fabaceae stubs subtypes

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Yet another one. Plan here would be to split into these three subfamilies, and populate via upmerged per-genus templates. Alai 22:38, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Do we have proper listings of genera for all three subfamilies? Otherwise we don,thave any good references to use for sorting. Circeus 17:58, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
If the genus information in the article is incorrect, then stub sorting is the least of its problems... Alai 04:03, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

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create {{etruscans-stub}}

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The result of the debate was create upmerged template as Etruria-stub.
There seem to be a bunch of stubs related to the Etruscans and no suitable tag. Most of them are tagged as Ancient Rome stubs or something similar, which isn't accurate. Pax:Vobiscum 14:19, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Looks like you're some way short of the traditional threshold, though well on the way. Can I suggest an upmerged (to you-know-where...) template for the time being? Alai 15:21, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
  • A similar template has existed and been deleted in the past, IIRC... not that that is a total handicap. The big problem is the naming - Etruscan-stub or Etruscans-stub sounds like it about individual people ({{Etruscan-bio-stub}}). And unfortunately there isn't a widely-known name for the country of the ancient Etruscans (I suppose {{Ancient-Etruria-stub}} would work, but it's not exactly intuitive).An upmerged template sounds a reasonable idea, but the naming needs sorting out first. Grutness...wha? 00:23, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
  • You're right, found this in the archives. I've added some more articles to the list and now have 65 potential stubs. As far as naming goes I think either etruscans-stub or etruria-stubs would be the best choice. Pax:Vobiscum 08:24, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

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Create {{Kazakhstan-sport-bio-stub}}

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A new purposed stub that will be for Kazakhstani sportspeople. I have counted around 65 Kazakhstani sportspeople articles which are stubs without counting the Kazakhstani footballers who are 35 which around 25 of them minimum are stubs. So there are around more than 80 stub articles for Kazakhstani sportspeople.--KRBN 18:22, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

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Lower Saxony geo subcats

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Similar deal to the previous, parent somewhat larger-still. Alai 05:14, 3 July 2007 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

Category:Rhineland-Palatinate geography stubs subcats

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Over 1000 articles, so should be oversized by anyone's standard.

Now, it must be said that these Regierungsbezirk have actually be abolished, but I'm of the view that we should use them anyway, as an upmerger target for per-kreis templates. (There's 24 districts, so few of those will be viable in the short run.) Alai 05:08, 3 July 2007 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

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