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2000 AD glossary

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Violation of Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary, article content moved to wikt:Transwiki:2000 AD glossary. —Remember the dot (talk) 19:02, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't know that; thanks for pointing that out. Even so, I'm not sure that this is something that belongs in Wikipedia. —Remember the dot (talk) 20:00, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes there is possibly no ideal solution (I flagged this quite a while ago and nothing has come up) - it doesn't fit at Wiktionary (and will/should probably be deleted eventually when someone goes through the backlog) and there probably isn't a suitable wikia wiki to transwiki it to (as may have been the solution at some point in the future), so we'll just see where how things cards fall. (Emperor 00:05, 19 July 2007 (UTC))[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletions. -- Artw 20:37, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete - seems like a pretty clear NOT violation. Where not already covered there the various bits of it should probably be merged back into the articles from which they came. Artw 17:55, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete wikipedia is not a directory for terms mentioned in a tv show - Also based on WP:OR Corpx 02:05, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as unverified through reliable sources, original research. This should NOT be deleted on the basis that Wikipedia is not a dictionary, as glossaries are not dictionaries, nor are their material more suited for a dictionary. Please see here for a more expanded rationale why glossaries in general should not be transwikied and deleted under WP:NOT#DICT.--Fuhghettaboutit 03:54, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Thing is it isn't WP:OR/WP:V as there are well established lists [1] and if anyone had flagged that angle it would have been possible to find more - I'd imagine there are lists in the Annuals as well as the various RPG sourcebooks. (Emperor 04:22, 20 July 2007 (UTC))[reply]
  • Delete Cleary violating the Wikipedia is not a glossary/annex/dictionary criteria.--JForget 14:48, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep: Glossaries are not dictionaries. Citation to WP:DICT here is a complete misunderstanding of what WP:DICT says and means, making many of the comments here moot. Another way of looking at this: Many enc. articles (here and in paper encs.) provide glossaries, and we would not go around AfD'ing articles just because they contain glossaries. The only reason a page like the one at issue here exists as a separate glossary page is that it as it becomes too long for the main article, it is split out into a separate article, just like any other growing article section does. To attack Wikipedia glossaries on nominator's terribly faulty "test case" basis is to attack all articles that contain glossary materials, and even more signficantly to attack WP:SUMMARY as invalid. Furthermore in this specific case, the article fails the transwiki criteria to begin with, it does in fact have at least one cited source, and the entries are in many cases encyclopedic, providing background and history that would not be found in any dictionary entry.— SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 20:33, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment in support of strong keep: To quote from WP:DICT: "Articles are about the people, concepts, places, events, and things that their titles denote." Glossaries are "articles...about...concepts". Glossaries are not articles about "a word or an idiomatic phrase", and fail the wikt:Wiktionary:Criteria for inclusion. "Wikipedia is not in the business of saying how words, idioms, phrases etc., should be used (but it may be important in the context of an encyclopedia article to discuss how a word is used...)" Glossaries (when properly written) clearly do the latter, not the former (any that does the former will usually be an obvious WP:NOR and/or WP:NPOV violation). I could go on, but it seems unnecessary to point out every single way in which WP:DICT simply does not apply here. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 20:58, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment it is interesting to see another similar glossary up for deletion here - they vote for deletion but put up a well argued case explaining why the calls to WP:DICT are invalid. They vote for deletion in the end because of the lack of WP:V and if it had it he'd vote keep. This has a sorce and if that was the issue I know I can find more (relying on fictional languages and invented terms means you have to print glossaries for new readers to catch up on). Soooo this has a source (and I can find more - although they will be pretty much like the first one), does not fit the criteria for being transwikied in the first place and glossaries aren't dictionaries - I am unsure what this is violating. (Emperor 21:16, 22 July 2007 (UTC))[reply]
        • Reply comment: Indeed. What is happening here is that User:Remember the dot brought up the issue at the Village Pump (here), and got only one supporting voice, but decided to go on an AfD spree anyway, despite lack of any community buy-in for the idea. As for the two glossaries (that I know of) presently up at AfD, they might well be deletable on some other grounds, but I would prefer to see these current AfDs end with "keep" or "no consensus" and for them to be AfD'd a second time, raising actually policy-cognizant problems such as WP:V. User:Remember the dot is trying, clearly, to use these AfDs as a precendent-setter for the idea that any glossary can be zapped, and I remain concerned that if either of these AfDs close as "delete" for reasons other than the one that R.t.d. raised, that they'll be seen as precendential regardless, and despite the overwhelming yawn of unethusiasm for this "kill the glossaries" campaign at the Village Pump. I hope that the closing admins will note carefully that the vast majority of the delete !vote are "me too" parroting of the nominator, whose entire rationale has been substantively questioned, and that those questions remain unaddressed. The potential for damage here is quite severe, as some of the glossaries on Wikipedia are massively used as terminology link targets in non-list article prose. I doubt that is the case with either of the two up for AfD right now, but they were obviously selected carefully for their weaknesses. If they are to be deleted it should be in second AfDs that address those WP-policy-recognized weakenesses, not the novel theory that Wikipedia cannot have any glossaries, or that glossaries are automatically non-encyclopedic. A quick read of the 2000 AD glossary shows that it is not dictionarian at all, but provides a lot of encyclopedically-written information. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 07:37, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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