Wikipedia:WikiProject Succession Box Standardization/Completed proposals
The following are proposals and their discussions that failed to win a majority. They are retained here for reference and for discussion, in case the issue returns and a new vote comes about.
Proposal: Wider succession boxes
A proposal has been forwarded by User:Fabartus to expand the size of succession boxes from the current standard, which is based on a 30-40-30 percentage rate with no relevance to the actual page width to a mandatory 100 percent width, that would appear in most cases as a full page span consistent with that of Navigation templates that often follow a succession box. The following are examples of that template in action routed through a test template found at User:KuatofKDY/Template:s-start.
Original {{s-start}} (simple)
Proposed {{s-start}} (simple)
| Preceded by | King of England 939–946 |
Succeeded by |
Original {{s-start}} (standard)
Proposed {{s-start}} (standard)
Hirohito Born: April 29 1901 Died: January 7 1989
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| Regnal titles | ||
|---|---|---|
| Preceded by | Emperor of Japan December 25, 1926 – January 7, 1989 |
Succeeded by |
Original {{s-start}} (advanced, with Navigation box)
Proposed {{s-start}} (advanced, with Navigation box)
Henry VIII of England Born: June 28 1491 Died: January 28 1547
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| Regnal titles | ||
|---|---|---|
| Preceded by | King of England April 22 1509 – January 28 1547 |
Succeeded by |
| Lord of Ireland 1509 – 1541 |
Declared king by an act of the Irish Parliament | |
| Vacant Title last held by Edward Bruce
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King of Ireland 1541 – 1547 |
Succeeded by |
| Peerage of England | ||
| New title | Duke of York 1494 – 1509 |
Merged in crown |
| Preceded by | Prince of Wales 1502–1509 |
Vacant Title next held by Edward VI
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| Political offices | ||
| Preceded by | Lord Warden of the Cinque Ports 1493 – 1509 |
Succeeded by |
If approved, this template change will be implemented into Template:s-start and effect all templates that currently use {{s-start}}, {{start}}, or {{start box}}. Let the voting begin! (A copy of this proposal is also located at Template_talk:s-start.
–Whaleyland ( Talk • Contributions ) 08:14, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
- Approve! – This change will make the template more consistent across Wikipedia articles and allow for some more space to write before a break is required in a succession box template.
- Strong approval – This change will:
- Make succession boxes more consistent
- Utilise the space now lost at both sides of succession boxes
- Reduce the impression of crammed succession boxes
- Make large successions shorter
- And can someone please fix this page? It is ridiculously wide. Waltham, The Duke of 11:59, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
- Disapprove. I don't find the proposed change very aesthetically pleasing, and I don't see that it would provide any great benefit. Since the boxes automatically expand to fit their contents, the only space being "lost" is that which wouldn't be used anyway. Likewise, the boxes already make themselves as wide (horizontally) as necessary, and therefore as short (vertically) as possible, so this change wouldn't make long successions shorter than they already are. Alkari (?) 22:43, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
- Exactly, they are as wide as is necessary for the words to fit inside, and therefore some of the cells will look crammed by definition. However, a little more space would make them look brighter and better in appearance. Waltham, The Duke of 13:14, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
- Disapprove. As Alkari stated, there's no "lost" space. Additionally, it's useful to have succession boxes with a different width than other templates, to make it easier to scroll to - or past - a succession box when looking for information. --Tim4christ17 talk 23:07, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
- How does a narrower template make scrolling easier? And if you are referring to distinguishing them by appearance, I would say succession boxes have a distinctive enough look. Waltham, The Duke of 13:14, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
- Doesn't bother me either way, but when the move from the "rail line" to the "s-rail" template was mention, one of the reasons the UK railways WikiProject said no (the Americans and the tube embraced it) was some editors didn't like that look. Thus the change risks ruffling feathers on a global scale without achieving any greater usability. Pickle 14:09, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
- How does a narrower template make scrolling easier? And if you are referring to distinguishing them by appearance, I would say succession boxes have a distinctive enough look. Waltham, The Duke of 13:14, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
- Disapprove for the reasons articulated by Alkari and Tim4christ17. Mackensen (talk) 12:52, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
VOTING CLOSED: Proposal NOT Approved: I have closed voting on this proposal and labeled it as a failed proposal. While it seems some members wanted the more consistent look of this template change proposal, it seems others have noted that the change may damage other templates that WP:SBS does not monitor. On those grounds, I have closed this debate. The discussion has been archived at Wikipedia:WikiProject Succession Box Standardization/Failed proposals where it will remain indefinitely. Thank you to everyone who voted and keep at it!
–Whaleyland ( Talk • Contributions ) 21:54, 11 July 2007 (UTC)