Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Emnx (3rd)
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the case of suspected sockpuppetry. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page. All edits should go to the talk page of this case. If you are seeing this page as a result of an attempt to open a new case of sockpuppetry of the same user, read this for detailed instructions.
- Suspected sockpuppeteer
Emnx (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
- Suspected sockpuppets
Arthana (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
86.131.28.129 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
86.131.34.82 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
86.131.37.169 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
- Evidence
Arthana (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) is a new user created since the most recent sockpuppet of Emnx was blocked. User's first edit has an edit comment and their second edit is to participate in an AfD. This new user has made a delete (non)vote on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mandrake of Oxford an article previously prodded by Emnx and later nominated for deletion by sock SKRINE2 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log). After my noting that the user is new on the AfD, an IP editor in the ranges used by Emnx made this edit.
For IP addresses previously used, see:
For second sockpuppet report re User:SKRINE2, see:
As additional evidence, compare the recent comments from Arthana ([1], [2]) with the canvassing attempted by two different IPs, which were reverted as vandalism by blocked user Emnx: [3], [4], [5], [6] (first ip blocked), [7], [8], [9] (this is just a selection, see contribs for last 2 ip users for more).
- Comments
It seems I forgot to sign my reply to the factually incorrect post by IPSOS
"Note: this user account (Arthana) was created 3 days ago. Today is the first time this user has participated in AfDs. IPSOS (talk) 21:19, 10 June"
That was wrong so I replied. I have now added my signature (better late than never!
I would note that I wrote in the AFD
"COI is not grounds for a delete although a "lack of connection to anything the general reader might want to consult as a reference" does seem to be to the detriment of a NPOV here."
It does seem this accusation is not made from a NPOV and I wonder if I am being accused because 1) I my account is new (yeah! a newbie) and 2) I voted against the delete. To be absolutely clear : I am not Emnx and have never been Emnx. Please remove the insulting false accusation from my user page without delay!--Arthana 08:57, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Additional Comment
- The only evidence I can see presented here is that I am guilty of using the same ISP as someone else (so that would be me and about three million other BT customers in the UK?) However, it should be noted that :-
- IPSOS has recently made two false sock puppet/ puppetmaster allegations :-
- The first was against Whateley23 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) with whom he'd also had a disagreement. Whateley23 was accused of being a "real puppetmaster"!
- and
- The second was against Coldmachine (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) who placed a PROD tag on Mandrake of Oxford and who subsequently re-opened the AFD on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mandrake of Oxford. Coldmachine was accused of being a sock puppet.
- the accusation against me followed shortly thereafter :-
- Arthana (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) voted in an AFD and disagreed with IPSOS and then accused of being a sock puppet.
- There does seem to be a pattern emerging here and with two false allegations already to his/her name I am not very inclined to assume good faith on the part of IPSOS. Therefore, I am led to conclude that these events support the suspicion mentioned in the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mandrake of Oxford that IPSOS has a COI and that these allegations of sock puppetry are attempts to remove or disparage views that don't coincide with his/hers.
- This process will clearly not be completed before the AFD is determined and yet the result could be influenced as the good-standing of Coldmachine and I is undermined by these false allegations (whilst IPSOS's reputation remains unblemished).
- I would really be grateful if someone would clear this up quite speedily and remove the tag from my user page (and the comments by IPSOS against my vote). I find this really insulting especially as it was placed by an editor with such a dubious history!
- You know, each of my reports identified some real sockpuppets. Maybe you were in the wrong place at the wrong time, but these things require checking into after a history of block evasion. Some people don't stop. You seem both overly defensive AND display knowledge of things that only the previous user would know. You're actually doing yourself in. Just my opinion. IPSOS (talk) 01:39, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Conclusions
The early contribution history indicates that Arthana has been on wikipedia before (second edit to an AFD; vandalism patrolling started with third edit). Arthana's account was created after Enmx's block, so adding the "likely" checkuser result is enough to confirm a sockpuppet. Coldmachine is a little trickier, but the account for Arthana was created 26 minutes before Coldmachine asked about re-opening the AFD. If the account for Arthana had been created after the second AFD was open, it would be inconclusive, but the temporal proximity and the likely checkuser result together are enough to convince me that Coldmachine is also a sockpuppet. Both accounts blocked.--Chaser - T 17:33, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]