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Category:Physicians from Chongqing
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 12:23, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Physicians from Chongqing to Category:Chinese physicians and Category:Scientists from Chongqing
- Propose merging Category:Physicians from Guizhou to Category:Chinese physicians and Category:People from Guizhou
- Propose merging Category:Physicians from Hunan to Category:Chinese physicians and Category:Scientists from Hunan
- Propose merging Category:Physicians from Inner Mongolia to Category:Chinese physicians and Category:Scientists from Inner Mongolia
- Propose merging Category:Physicians from Sichuan to Category:Chinese physicians and Category:Scientists from Sichuan
- Nominator's rationale: Only 1 entry. LibStar (talk) 22:15, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge for now, per nom, without objection to recreate any of these categories when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:21, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
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Category:British people of West Asian descent
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 12:24, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:British people of West Asian descent to Category:British people of Asian descent
- Propose merging Category:Scottish people of West Asian descent to Category:Scottish people of Asian descent
- Propose merging Category:French people of West Asian descent to Category:French people of Asian descent
- Propose merging Category:Canadian people of West Asian descent to Category:Canadian people of Asian descent
- Nominator's rationale: similar to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 17#Category:American people of West Asian descent. Hassan697 (talk) 20:19, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- Procedural comment, I took the liberty to merge the three nominations to one section. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:11, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:15, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Descent categories should be organized by continent and country, not regions which are always somewhat overlapping and arbitrary. I also note that Caucasus descent categories were deleted previously for the same reason. Place Clichy (talk) 01:44, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
- Nominated Caucasus descent categories here: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 October 22#Caucasus descent Hassan697 (talk) 11:23, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
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Years in the Duchy of Nassau
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 October 28#Years in the Duchy of Nassau
Category:Canine deities
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 12:25, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Canine deities to Category:Mammal deities
- Nominator's rationale: Seems like WP:NARROWCAT, there are not very many category members not included in the subcategories. Also, whether it satisfies WP:CROSSCAT has not been shown. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:41, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge, unnecessary crossover from biology in the world of religion. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:17, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
- Keep; this seems to me both valid and useful, as a subcat of Category:Mythological canines. I have added five articles from that parent. Being canine (dog or jackal) is WP:DEFINING e.g. for Anubis. – Fayenatic London 10:01, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
- Keep – Many deities have an association with canines in a way that can't be categorised more specifically in one of the current subcategories. This is a valid and defining characteristic and it wouldn't be helpful to upmerge them to the very general mammal category, especially since being a "mammal" was not relevant to the deities. Mclay1 (talk) 23:13, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
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Category:American writers of Middle Eastern descent
- Nominator's rationale: Follow up to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_21#People_of_Middle_Eastern_descent SMasonGarrison 02:34, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
- Split to Category:American people of West Asian descent and Category:American people of North African descent. The current contents are a mixture of both regions. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:37, 14 October 2025 (UTC)
- Good point, the Egyptian subcategory rather belongs in North Africa. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:22, 16 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge. Descent categories should be organized by continent and country, not regions which are always somewhat overlapping and arbitrary. Place Clichy (talk) 16:35, 17 October 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Split?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 16:16, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- The difference between merging and splitting is not a big deal, it concerns only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:19, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
- In fact, it was already in the category cited above by User:LaundryPizza03:
Category:American people of North African descent > American people of Egyptian descent > American writers of Egyptian descent. I manually added the writers category to Category:American writers of African descent, in which it should have been anyway, so I guess this solves the splitting issue. Place Clichy (talk) 06:03, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- In fact, it was already in the category cited above by User:LaundryPizza03:
Category:American politicians of Middle Eastern descent
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 October 31#Category:American politicians of Middle Eastern descent
Category:Calligraphers from the Northern Netherlands
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Calligraphers from the Dutch Republic. (non-admin closure) ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 12:26, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Calligraphers from the Northern Netherlands to Category:Dutch calligraphers
- Nominator's rationale: overlapping categories SMasonGarrison 01:53, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
- Alt: rename to Category:Calligraphers from the Dutch Republic. All articles are about people who lived in the Dutch Republic. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:29, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on alt?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 16:11, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison: what do you think of the alternative? Marcocapelle (talk) 17:28, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- Fine with me SMasonGarrison 21:56, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Soccer venues in Townsville
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 12:26, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Soccer venues in Townsville to Category:Soccer in Townsville, Category:Sports venues in Townsville, and Category:Soccer venues in Queensland
- Propose merging Category:Soccer venues in Wollongong to Category:Soccer in Wollongong, Category:Buildings and structures in Wollongong, and Category:Soccer venues in New South Wales
- Propose merging Category:Football venues in Belize City to Category:Sports venues in Belize City and Category:Football venues in Belize
- Propose merging Category:Football venues in Belmopan to Category:Sports venues in Belmopan and Category:Football venues in Belize
- Propose merging Category:Football venues in La Paz to Category:Football in La Paz, Category:Sports venues in La Paz, and Category:Football venues in Bolivia
- Propose merging Category:Football venues in Gaborone to Category:Football in Gaborone, Category:Sports venues in Gaborone, and Category:Football venues in Botswana
- Propose merging Category:Football venues in Chengdu to Category:Sports venues in Chengdu and Category:Football venues in China
- Propose merging Category:Football venues in San José, Costa Rica to Category:Football in San José, Costa Rica, Category:Sports venues in San José, Costa Rica, and Category:Football venues in Costa Rica
- Propose merging Category:Football venues in San Salvador to Category:Sports venues in San Salvador and Category:Football venues in El Salvador
- Propose merging Category:Football venues in Addis Ababa to Category:Football in Addis Ababa, Category:Sports venues in Addis Ababa, and Category:Football venues in Ethiopia
- Propose merging Category:Football venues in San Pedro Sula to Category:Sports venues in San Pedro Sula and Category:Football venues in Honduras
- Propose merging Category:Cricket grounds in Bhubaneswar to Category:Sports venues in Bhubaneswar and Category:Cricket grounds in Odisha
- Propose merging Category:Football venues in Pune to Category:Sports venues in Pune and Category:Football venues in Maharashtra
- Propose merging Category:Volleyball venues in Jakarta to Category:Sports venues in Jakarta and Category:Volleyball venues in Indonesia
- Propose merging Category:Football venues in Managua to Category:Sports venues in Managua and Category:Football venues in Nicaragua
- Propose merging Category:Football venues in Poznań to Category:Sports venues in Poznań and Category:Football venues in Poland
- Propose merging Category:Football venues in Melilla to Category:Sport in Melilla and Category:Football venues in Spain
- Propose merging Category:Muay Thai venues in Bangkok to Category:Muay Thai in Bangkok, Category:Sports venues in Bangkok, and Category:Muay Thai venues in Thailand
- Propose merging Category:Muay Thai venues in Pattaya to Category:Muay Thai in Pattaya and Category:Muay Thai venues in Thailand
- Propose merging Category:Football venues in Abu Dhabi to Category:Football in Abu Dhabi, Category:Sports venues in Abu Dhabi, and Category:Football venues in the United Arab Emirates
- Propose merging Category:Rugby union stadiums in Denver to Category:Rugby union in Denver, Category:Sports venues in Denver, and Category:Rugby union stadiums in Colorado
- Propose merging Category:Rugby union stadiums in Los Angeles to Category:Rugby union in Los Angeles, Category:Sports venues in Los Angeles, and Category:Rugby union stadiums in California
- Propose merging Category:Rugby union stadiums in Salt Lake City to Category:Rugby union in Salt Lake City, Category:Sports venues in Salt Lake City, and Category:Rugby union stadiums in Utah
- Propose merging Category:Rugby union stadiums in San Francisco to Category:Rugby union in San Francisco, Category:Sports venues in San Francisco, and Category:Rugby union stadiums in California
- Propose merging Category:Softball venues in Houston to Category:Softball in Houston, Category:Sports venues in Houston, and Category:Softball venues in Texas
- Propose merging Category:Softball venues in Washington, D.C. to Category:Softball in Washington, D.C., Category:Sports venues in Washington, D.C., and Category:Softball venues in the United States
- Propose merging Category:Wrestling venues in San Francisco to Category:Wrestling in San Francisco, Category:Sports venues in San Francisco, and Category:Wrestling venues in California
- Nominator's rationale: Narrow scope categories attracting 1–3 articles per category. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 16:02, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:30, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Sports venues in Devonport, Tasmania
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 12:26, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Sports venues in Devonport, Tasmania to Category:Sport in Devonport, Tasmania and Category:Sports venues in Tasmania
- Propose merging Category:Sports venues in Mogilev to Category:Sport in Mogilev, Category:Buildings and structures in Mogilev, and Category:Sports venues in Belarus
- Propose merging Category:Sports venues in Brasília to Category:Sport in Brasília, Category:Buildings and structures in Brasília, and Category:Sports venues in the Federal District (Brazil)
- Propose merging Category:Sports venues in Greater Sudbury to Category:Sports in Greater Sudbury, Category:Buildings and structures in Greater Sudbury, and Category:Sports venues in Ontario
- Propose merging Category:Sports venues in Rennes to Category:Sport in Rennes, Category:Buildings and structures in Rennes, and Category:Sports venues in Brittany
- Propose merging Category:Defunct sports venues in Jakarta to Category:Sports venues in Jakarta and Category:Defunct sports venues in Indonesia
- Propose merging Category:Sports venues in Győr to Category:Sport in Győr and Category:Buildings and structures in Győr
- Propose merging Category:Sports venues in Ashkelon to Category:Sport in Ashkelon, Category:Buildings and structures in Ashkelon, and Category:Sports venues in Southern District (Israel)
- Propose merging Category:Sports venues in Ivrea to Category:Sport in Ivrea, Category:Buildings and structures in Ivrea, and Category:Sports venues in Piedmont
- Propose merging Category:Sports venues in Dudelange to Category:Sport in Dudelange and Category:Buildings and structures in Dudelange
- Propose merging Category:Sports venues in Esch-sur-Alzette to Category:Sport in Esch-sur-Alzette and Category:Buildings and structures in Esch-sur-Alzette
- Propose merging Category:Sports venues in Mazatlán to Category:Sport in Mazatlán, Category:Buildings and structures in Mazatlán, and Category:Sports venues in Sinaloa
- Propose merging Category:Sports venues in San Nicolás de los Garza to Category:Sport in San Nicolás de los Garza and Category:Sports venues in Nuevo León
- Propose merging Category:Sports venues in Palmerston North to Category:Sport in Palmerston North, Category:Buildings and structures in Palmerston North, and Category:Sports venues in Manawatū-Whanganui
- Propose merging Category:Sports venues in Ålesund to Category:Sport in Ålesund Municipality, Category:Buildings and structures in Ålesund Municipality, and Category:Sports venues in Møre og Romsdal
- Propose merging Category:Sports venues in Bodø to Category:Sport in Bodø Municipality, Category:Buildings and structures in Bodø Municipality, and Category:Sports venues in Nordland
- Propose merging Category:Sports venues in Halden to Category:Sport in Halden, Category:Buildings and structures in Halden, and Category:Sports venues in Østfold
- Propose merging Category:Sports venues in Kristiansund to Category:Sport in Kristiansund Municipality, Category:Buildings and structures in Kristiansund Municipality, and Category:Sports venues in Møre og Romsdal
- Propose merging Category:Sports venues in Molde to Category:Sport in Molde Municipality, Category:Buildings and structures in Molde Municipality, and Category:Sports venues in Møre og Romsdal
- Propose merging Category:Sports venues in Sarpsborg to Category:Sport in Sarpsborg, Category:Buildings and structures in Sarpsborg, and Category:Sports venues in Østfold
- Propose merging Category:Sports venues in Melilla to Category:Sport in Melilla and Category:Buildings and structures in Melilla
- Propose merging Category:Sports venues in Ponferrada to Category:Sport in Ponferrada, Category:Buildings and structures in Ponferrada, and Category:Sports venues in Castile and León
- Propose merging Category:Sports venues in Adapazarı to Category:Sport in Adapazarı, Category:Buildings and structures in Adapazarı, and Category:Sports venues in Turkey
- Propose merging Category:Sports venues in Afyonkarahisar to Category:Sport in Afyonkarahisar, Category:Buildings and structures in Afyonkarahisar, and Category:Sports venues in Turkey
- Propose merging Category:Sports venues in Aydın to Category:Sport in Aydın, Category:Buildings and structures in Aydın, and Category:Sports venues in Turkey
- Propose merging Category:Defunct sports venues in Sheffield to Category:Sports venues in Sheffield and Category:Defunct sports venues in South Yorkshire
- Propose merging Category:Sports venues in Vinnytsia to Category:Sport in Vinnytsia, Category:Buildings and structures in Vinnytsia, and Category:Sports venues in Vinnytsia Oblast
- Nominator's rationale: Narrow scope categories attracting 1–3 articles per category. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 16:08, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:31, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Mass media in Jakobstad
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 12:27, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Mass media in Jakobstad to Category:Jakobstad and Category:Mass media in Ostrobothnia (administrative region)
- Propose merging Category:Mass media in Kajaani to Category:Kajaani
- Propose merging Category:Mass media in Kemi to Category:Kemi and Category:Mass media in Lapland (Finland)
- Propose merging Category:Mass media in Kokkola to Category:Kokkola
- Propose merging Category:Mass media in Kotka to Category:Kotka and Category:Mass media in Kymenlaakso
- Propose merging Category:Mass media in Lappeenranta to Category:Lappeenranta
- Propose merging Category:Mass media in Loviisa to Category:Loviisa and Category:Mass media in Uusimaa
- Propose merging Category:Mass media in Pori to Category:Pori and Category:Mass media in Uusimaa
- Propose merging Category:Mass media in Porvoo to Category:Porvoo and Category:Mass media in Uusimaa
- Propose merging Category:Mass media in Raseborg to Category:Raseborg and Category:Mass media in Uusimaa
- Propose merging Category:Mass media in Rauma, Finland to Category:Rauma, Finland and Category:Mass media in Satakunta
- Propose merging Category:Mass media in Rovaniemi to Category:Rovaniemi and Category:Mass media in Lapland (Finland)
- Propose merging Category:Mass media in Salo, Finland to Category:Salo, Finland and Category:Mass media in Southwest Finland
- Propose merging Category:Mass media in Seinäjoki to Category:Seinäjoki and Category:Mass media in South Ostrobothnia
- Nominator's rationale: There are 1–2 articles per topic and place in these narrow intersections. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 15:56, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:32, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. LibStar (talk) 03:26, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
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Category:American academics of Turkish descent
- Propose merging Category:American academics of Turkish descent to Category:American people of Turkish descent
- Propose merging Category:American academics of Hmong descent to Category:American people of Hmong descent
- Propose merging Category:American scientists of Iranian descent to Category:American people of Iranian descent
- Nominator's rationale: Ineligible intersection per WP:OCEGRS. All other categories of academics crossed by ancestors country were deleted after these discussions. Place Clichy (talk) 15:31, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Category:American academics of Turkish descent can be placed under Category:American academics of Asian descent. It has more members than Category:American academics of Taiwanese descent, Category:American academics of Korean descent, and Category:American academics of Pakistani descent. While this may sound like WP:OTHERSTUFF, I think it is better form to nominate all of these and similar categories rather than deleting them all at once. Otherwise, I completely agree that it is overcat. Thanks, 🇪🇭🇵🇸🇸🇩 Easternsahara 🇪🇭🇵🇸🇸🇩 03:19, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
- I agree that the nomination should be expanded. @Place Clichy: are you willing to do so? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:16, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Easternsahara and Marcocapelle: Expanded with 2 more similar categories. I didn't nominate all children of American academics of Asian descent, because I think the rationale would be different, risking a TRAINWRECK result which wouldn't satisfy anyone. Specifically, we have to acknowledge that a number of users think that some professional categories for Americans are rightfully split along the major ethnic minorities perceived in the U.S. such as African-Americans, Hispanics, Native Americans and Asians, and "academics" may be one such profession, however vague that term is. At the same time, we have reached consensus at CFD to diffuse U.S. Asian descent categories by nation of ancestry, when defining for the individual. None of that applies to the present category, as people of Turkish descent aren't usually considered Asians in the U.S., and the Hmong and Iranian categories are equally invalid intersections. Place Clichy (talk) 13:49, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Hmong, Iranian categories as they are both too small. However, there will be a new MENA category [1], [2] in 2030 so we can keep turkish category. Also we may put the people listed on the Iranian one into a new MENA category once it is created. Now that the census has announced it, it is unlikely to change. Thanks, 🇪🇭🇵🇸🇸🇩 Easternsahara 🇪🇭🇵🇸🇸🇩 14:05, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
- The argument here is not whether Turkish or MENA Americans constitue a distinct ethnic identity, or how it is called, and the census actually does not really change how people view themselves. The discussion per WP:OCEGRS is whether academics of that descent are commonly and consistently considered a separate field of study by reliable sources. Place Clichy (talk) 15:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Hmong, Iranian categories as they are both too small. However, there will be a new MENA category [1], [2] in 2030 so we can keep turkish category. Also we may put the people listed on the Iranian one into a new MENA category once it is created. Now that the census has announced it, it is unlikely to change. Thanks, 🇪🇭🇵🇸🇸🇩 Easternsahara 🇪🇭🇵🇸🇸🇩 14:05, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Easternsahara and Marcocapelle: Expanded with 2 more similar categories. I didn't nominate all children of American academics of Asian descent, because I think the rationale would be different, risking a TRAINWRECK result which wouldn't satisfy anyone. Specifically, we have to acknowledge that a number of users think that some professional categories for Americans are rightfully split along the major ethnic minorities perceived in the U.S. such as African-Americans, Hispanics, Native Americans and Asians, and "academics" may be one such profession, however vague that term is. At the same time, we have reached consensus at CFD to diffuse U.S. Asian descent categories by nation of ancestry, when defining for the individual. None of that applies to the present category, as people of Turkish descent aren't usually considered Asians in the U.S., and the Hmong and Iranian categories are equally invalid intersections. Place Clichy (talk) 13:49, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Category:American academics of Turkish descent can be placed under Category:American academics of Asian descent. It has more members than Category:American academics of Taiwanese descent, Category:American academics of Korean descent, and Category:American academics of Pakistani descent. While this may sound like WP:OTHERSTUFF, I think it is better form to nominate all of these and similar categories rather than deleting them all at once. Otherwise, I completely agree that it is overcat. Thanks, 🇪🇭🇵🇸🇸🇩 Easternsahara 🇪🇭🇵🇸🇸🇩 03:19, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge all, trivial intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:34, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose merging American academics of Hmong descent to American people of Hmong descent. The field of Hmong studies is not only a prominent discipline within Asian American studies[1][2][3] but has only grown over a couple decades (for example, now offered as a certificate at some universities[4]) and Hmong American is a notable, distinct ethnic and cultural identity on the world stage that is not overcategorization. For example Hmong Americans are shaped significantly by their genocide for fighting as a proxy for the US, and are considered a special class of veteran in the US by law.[5] There are also hundreds of ethnic Hmong scholars of many disciplines.[6]— Preceding unsigned comment added by Pingnova (talk • contribs) 17:45, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Hmong Studies Consortium". Hmong Studies Consortium. January 20, 2018. Retrieved October 22, 2025.
- ^ "Center for Hmong Studies". Concordia University, St. Paul. August 8, 2025. Retrieved October 22, 2025.
- ^ "Hmong Studies Journal". Hmong Studies Journal. Retrieved October 22, 2025.
- ^ "Critical Hmong Studies". UW-Eau Claire. February 3, 2024. Retrieved October 22, 2025.
- ^ "America's Secret War in Laos". Center for Southeast Asian Studies. February 14, 2017. Retrieved October 22, 2025.
- ^ "1: Hmong Directory: PhD – HMONG AMERICAN EXPERIENCE". HMONG AMERICAN EXPERIENCE. Retrieved October 22, 2025.
- Academics of Hmong descent are not necessarily working on Hmong studies, those are two very separate things that can each be categorized in their own tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:40, 23 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per Place Clichy and Marcocapelle. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 11:51, 23 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge – Trivial intersection of occupation and ancestry. What these academics are studying is totally separate to their own ancestry. These people will still be categorised under general people ancestry categories. Mclay1 (talk) 23:04, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
Category:American professional wrestlers of Italian descent
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 12:27, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: A stranded category following Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 September 3#American sportspeople by country of descent, probably forgot in the nomination because it was poorly parented. There are no other national descent category for wrestlers, or sportspeople categories for Italian descent. Place Clichy (talk) 15:14, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Additionally, though that is for another discussion, a category like Category:Sportspeople of Italian descent is also a matter of trivial intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:37, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. LibStar (talk) 03:25, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Male superheroes
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 October 30#Category:Male superheroes
Category:Agiad kings of Sparta
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 15:02, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Agiad kings of Sparta to Category:Agiad dynasty
- Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT, per Agiad dynasty it ruled exclusively over Sparta and the representatives were overwhelmingly kings rather than queens, so splitting in that way isn't useful. Brandmeister talk 09:44, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose, this proposal would remove the articles from the tree of Category:Kings of Sparta and I don't see the advantages of a dual merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:20, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- I don't think that's an issue. The kings unrelated to Category:Agiad dynasty or Category:Eurypontid dynasty would be categorised under Category:Kings of Sparta and the rest under the relevant dynasty categories. Brandmeister talk 08:16, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose, partially per Marcocapelle and partially because this would break consistency with the Eurypontid categories Category:Eurypontid kings of Sparta and Category:Eurypontid dynasty. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 09:41, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
- The question is then why should we have the Agiad kings of Sparta category separate from Agiad dynasty if the latter covers the former? The Eurypontid kings category should be merged to Eurypontid dynasty as well as it too ruled exclusively over Sparta. Brandmeister talk 09:44, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
- "Agiad kings of Sparta" is a subset of "Agiad dynasty"; Category:Agiad kings of Sparta is a subcategory of Category:Agiad dynasty. I don't see why there's an issue with that.
- Upmerging Category:Agiad kings of Sparta to Category:Agiad dynasty would take the articles of 32 kings out of Category:Kings of Sparta. Of course, we could put all of those articles back into Category:Kings of Sparta directly, but at that point we've done a bunch of work for no benefit I can see. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 13:33, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
- The question is then why should we have the Agiad kings of Sparta category separate from Agiad dynasty if the latter covers the former? The Eurypontid kings category should be merged to Eurypontid dynasty as well as it too ruled exclusively over Sparta. Brandmeister talk 09:44, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose – Both categories fit into category trees, and Category:Agiad dynasty contains enough non-kings for the diffusion to make sense. Mclay1 (talk) 23:11, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Western (genre) heroes and heroines
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 14:58, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Western (genre) heroes and heroines to Category:Western (genre) heroes
- Nominator's rationale: The "and heroines" doesn't match the rest of the category tree, nor Hero which is not called "Heroes and heroines". ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:46, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 11:43, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:22, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Christ figures in fiction
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Mass media in Azerbaijan by city
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 14:58, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Mass media in Azerbaijan by city to Category:Mass media in Azerbaijan and Category:Mass media by city
- Propose merging Category:Mass media in Bahrain by city to Category:Mass media in Bahrain and Category:Mass media by city
- Propose merging Category:Mass media in Botswana by city to Category:Mass media in Botswana and Category:Mass media by city
- Propose merging Category:Mass media in Cambodia by city to Category:Mass media in Cambodia and Category:Mass media by city
- Propose merging Category:Mass media in Ethiopia by city to Category:Mass media in Ethiopia and Category:Mass media by city
- Propose merging Category:Mass media in Kenya by city to Category:Mass media in Kenya and Category:Mass media by city
- Propose merging Category:Mass media in Kosovo by city to Category:Mass media in Kosovo and Category:Mass media by city
- Propose merging Category:Mass media in Lebanon by city to Category:Mass media in Lebanon and Category:Mass media by city
- Propose merging Category:Mass media in Liberia by city to Category:Mass media in Liberia and Category:Mass media by city
- Propose merging Category:Mass media in Malawi by city to Category:Mass media in Malawi and Category:Mass media by city
- Propose merging Category:Mass media in Mauritius by city to Category:Mass media in Mauritius and Category:Mass media by city
- Propose merging Category:Mass media in Namibia by city to Category:Mass media in Namibia and Category:Mass media by city
- Propose merging Category:Mass media in Niger by city to Category:Mass media in Niger and Category:Mass media by city
- Propose merging Category:Mass media in North Korea by city to Category:Mass media in North Korea and Category:Mass media by city
- Propose merging Category:Mass media in Panama by city to Category:Mass media in Panama and Category:Mass media by city
- Propose merging Category:Mass media in Qatar by city to Category:Mass media in Qatar and Category:Mass media by city
- Propose merging Category:Mass media in Syria by city to Category:Mass media in Syria and Category:Mass media by city
- Propose merging Category:Mass media in Uganda by city to Category:Mass media in Uganda and Category:Mass media by city
- Nominator's rationale: With one populated place per country, these are redundant intermediary layers. No opposition to recreation when actually needed. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 08:20, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge all per nom, redundantly narrow overcategorizations. Brandmeister talk 09:48, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:26, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Taxa named by Erich Leo Ludwig Uhmann
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 14:58, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Taxa named by Erich Leo Ludwig Uhmann to Category:Taxa named by Erich Uhmann
- Nominator's rationale: Shorten from full name to shortened version more commonly used by the subject himself, in line with WP:COMMONNAME and the general guidance at WP:CAT. This would also match the name of the category with the name of the subject's biographical article. Uhmann's full name is used quite rarely in publications by or about him - he almost exclusively authored papers as "E. Uhmann" or "Erich Uhmann" and most other sources use this shortened name, with his middle names being included far less frequently (hence why I located his biographical article at Erich Uhmann). Unless there's another taxonomist named Erich Uhmann that I don't know about, I see no reason not to locate the category at the shortened version of the name that is more commonly used. Ethmostigmus 🌿 (talk | contribs) 07:35, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- As the creator of the category, I have no problem with this. I was actually researching ways to rename it myself. Zalaraz (talk) 07:37, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- Support it is the common name and used on Erich Uhmann Thanks, 🇪🇭🇵🇸🇸🇩 Easternsahara 🇪🇭🇵🇸🇸🇩 03:15, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
- Support per arguments already given above, particularly the fact that a main article exists at the shorter name. Though, that also means this cat could actually be speedy renamed under WP:C2D if I'm not mistaken. (Unless the fact that this discussion exists here prevents that, but it's useful to know about these things for the future) Monster Iestyn (talk) 12:31, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Andrew Winch
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Category:Heroes in mythology and legend
- Propose splitting Category:Heroes in mythology and legend to Category:Mythological heroes and Category:Legendary heroes
- Nominator's rationale: No apparent reason to combine myth and legend in this arbitrary manner, as myth and legend are two different things. No opposition to calling the first one "Mythical heroes" if people believe it should be called that, I'm just going by the existing category names. I also have no opposition to calling the second "Folk heroes" instead. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:06, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- The problem with this proposal is that the distinction between "myth" and "legend" is a fuzzy one, and the current title reflects that ambiguity by permitting significant overlap, which would be unavoidable, but even more confusing, if one attempts to split the category using strict definitions of "myth" and "legend" that readers may not expect. For instance, we generally include all the stories about Greek heroes from before the Archaic period as "mythological", but the status of later figures and their contemporaries from Roman traditions is more ambiguous: the Roman kings and the founders of the Republic are treated in The Roman Myths, but most were probably historical figures who have been mythologized in various ways. Is Beowulf a figure of myth or of legend? What about Gilgamesh? Moses? King Arthur? The current wording of the title makes it unnecessary to decide which of two realms each individual figure belongs to.
- In fact, this change is likely to cause more confusion, because "legend" itself has different meanings in different contexts (for that matter, so does "myth", but in this case at least the technical definition is used, rather than the popular one of "fictional" or "imaginary"). We might regard Robin Hood or the Knights of the Round Table as "legendary" because they occur entirely in the literary tradition (plus folklore), but cannot be verified as historical persons, though some of them may have a historical basis. But George Washington, Napoleon Bonaparte, and Ivan the Terrible are all "legendary" although we know them as historical figures, because they are larger-than-life figures (and because there are legends are sometimes told of them, though these too may have a basis in fact).
- Then we have the suggestion of "folk heroes", which is still problematic; many actual and/or historic figures (and here we encounter the fact that "historic" also has a fuzzy definition; all persons who can be documented are technically "historic", but in this context "historic" means someone who has made a great impact on history) are the subject of "folklore", but that term is usually understood to mean traditions that cannot be verified and may or may not have occurred, while the deeds of "folk heroes" may be perfectly verifiable. Babe Ruth and Casey Jones are known historical persons who might be described as "folk heroes", though most of the things they said and did can be documented; John Henry, on the other hand, exists mostly in folklore and his historical reality is unclear, though there was probably at least one actual person who formed a basis for the "myth"; Paul Bunyan belongs entirely to folklore. And do any of these really belong in the same category as Alexander the Great, or King Arthur, or Joan of Arc? I might buy Joan of Arc as a "folk hero", but probably not Alexander the Great.
- Ultimately, I think this proposal's flaw is that it either attempts, or would be so understood by readers, to draw sharp distinctions that do not really exist between various inevitably overlapping groups. The groups will still overlap to a very significant degree if it is drawn, and whether any particular figure belongs to either category will likely be the subject of numerous disputes; and the proposed alternative simply substitutes a different fuzzy definition with its own problems. P Aculeius (talk) 14:06, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- There's nothing stopping people from placing the articles in both categories if they believe there is an overlap between mythological and legendary. But, generally speaking, categories themselves avoid overlapping the two things to maintain consistency... there would have to be a huge discussion if myth and legend were decided to be combined. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:49, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- Split as proposed. "Mythical" and "legendary" are not clearly different, but "mythological" in the meaning of belonging to a well-recognized mythology (i.e. Greek or Norse mythology) is. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:41, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. The nomination rationale does not account for the fact that the strict categorization of these topics as "myth" or "legend" is often a political statement within the context of a particular tradition. For instance, mainstream Christianity resists calling Bible stories "myths" because it has used that term derogatorily to refer to traditional Norse stories (etc.) as false in comparison to the Bible. Combining them is not arbitrary; it is an attempt to be inclusive. This split could easily become offensive in ways that are unpredictable based on culture. Moreover, there certainly should not be a split in the absence of clear-cut definitions for "myth" and "legend," the creation of which would be entirely arbitrary. lethargilistic (talk) 18:52, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
- If something would not clearly fit in either myth or legend, it's probably not defining and shouldn't be there anyway per WP:NONDEF. We shouldn't encourage adding non-defining things to categories by making purposely vague titles. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:25, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
- I don't think he's saying the category includes or should include persons who are neither "mythological" nor "legendary". Rather that there is no sharp distinction between myth and legend (or folklore) that would make such a split helpful to readers—as well as the fact that readers may make distinctions between mythology and certain religious figures (i.e. Moses, David) that mythographers would not—in the technical sense these are mythological figures even if one assumes their historicity.
- I would add that by itself, "legendary" is subject to wide interpretation, although some of this is less likely to occur when "legend" is used together with "myth". To use some of the examples I mentioned earlier, Tarquin the Proud, Robin Hood, and Babe Ruth are all "legendary" figures, but Tarquin might also be considered mythological, even though he probably existed; Robin Hood is definitely not mythological in the technical sense, though he is largely ahistorical; Babe Ruth is legendary, but perfectly real and not associated with folklore—except very loosely speaking. With the title "legendary", all three might be included; with the title "mythology and legend", readers would probably expect to find Tarquin and Robin Hood but not Babe Ruth. Combining "myth" and "legend" makes the scope of the category clearer than if it were split. P Aculeius (talk) 21:31, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
- If something would not clearly fit in either myth or legend, it's probably not defining and shouldn't be there anyway per WP:NONDEF. We shouldn't encourage adding non-defining things to categories by making purposely vague titles. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:25, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
Category:Elemental deities
- Propose merging Category:Elemental deities to Category:Nature deities
- Propose merging Category:Elemental gods to Category:Nature gods
- Propose merging Category:Elemental goddesses to Category:Nature goddesses
- Nominator's rationale: This category incorrectly links deities that were concieved before the concept of "the Elements" with being elemental deities. For example, being an Earth deity does not imply that one is linked to the elements and it was previously correctly categorized as an underworld deity before being deleted by AHI-3000. This should be reversed by merging this category back to nature deities where the members previously were. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:36, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom or re-purpose the categories to simply "deities by natural phenomenon" and populate them further. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:05, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Marco's suggestion?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 06:00, 20 October 2025 (UTC)- Oppose, there seems to be an unfortunate habit in which categories that are logical, but messy are put up for deletion rather than editing. The classical elements are clear (earth, air, water, fire, aether), they were perceived as the elements that made up the natural world, and were a recurring pattern across cultures and pantheons. The Thunder and Light deities cats should be removed, but otherwise I don't see any other edits to be made. WinstonDewey (talk) 19:29, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
- The classical elements is a philosophical concept, not a religious concept, so there is no point in grouping deities based on this. The thing about religion is that they are gods of nature. And of course there are e.g. water deities and fire deities, but those aren't more closely related to each other than e.g. thunder deities. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose, there seems to be an unfortunate habit in which categories that are logical, but messy are put up for deletion rather than editing. The classical elements are clear (earth, air, water, fire, aether), they were perceived as the elements that made up the natural world, and were a recurring pattern across cultures and pantheons. The Thunder and Light deities cats should be removed, but otherwise I don't see any other edits to be made. WinstonDewey (talk) 19:29, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
- I'd say I oppose the idea to rename the categories because I don't see how "earth", "wind" and "water" is classified as a natural phenomenon, even though something like lightning or fire might be called that. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:11, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- Ok let's keep it to merge then. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
- Support – This classification is more related to pop culture and Dungeons & Dragons-style groupings than anything that existed in ancient mythology. The natural elements don't need a distinct subcategory from nature. Mclay1 (talk) 23:52, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
Category:Protesters in or near the January 6 United States Capitol attack
- Nominator's rationale: Category for attendees at an individual political event. It's essentially the political equivalent of a WP:PERFCAT, rather than a defining characteristic, because it isn't in and of itself the thing that any of these people are notable for: it's a result of them already being notable for other reasons, not the cause of them being notable enough to have a Wikipedia article. Attending a rally is not defining. If people have well-known political statements of affiliations, then we can categorize them by that. Not by behind merely at some place on some time and day. I think we deleted in the past categories like guests at the royal lunch following the wedding. These articles are already in similarly useful categories.Czarking0 (talk) 01:37, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
- Lean keep. Same issue as above. It's not a rally or comparable to attending a wedding. SMasonGarrison 03:45, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete, in the majority of cases this isn't in and of itself the thing that any of these people are notable for. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:30, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Clearly serves a purpose in finding related articles.14GTR (talk) 04:54, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: @Czarking0: Please tag the category and your other nominations, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion#Manual nominations § II for instructions. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 22:21, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Tagged.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 05:51, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. Whether someone was at J6 is extremely notable to the point that "where were you on J6?" is something of a meme. It's Wikipedia's responsibility to readers to keep track of this. Whether that's via categorization or list article, I don't think it matters so much, but my preference usually leans categorization, and I note that this nomination does not note the existence of any alternative centralized repository for finding this information within Wikipedia. lethargilistic (talk) 16:52, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: Because it was brought up, I think that deleting "Attendees of the Unite the Right rally" was done hastily. At a minimum, the articles should have been reviewed for whether they belonged in Category:Unite the Right rally, and that definitely wasn't done because Nick Fuentes isn't in there currently. Otherwise, the list should have been preserved on the Unite the Right rally page. lethargilistic (talk) 18:28, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose – Clearly notable. Mclay1 (talk) 01:28, 29 October 2025 (UTC)
Category:Counter unmanned air systems
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- Propose renaming Category:Counter unmanned air systems to Category:Anti-drone weapons
- Nominator's rationale: A shorter, simpler, yet perfectly descriptive name that allows for both complex weapons systems and simpler individual weapons — The Anome (talk) 12:34, 1 October 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Rename per nom. LibStar (talk) 23:05, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Asesino albums
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