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Race abbreviation for Barcelona-Catalunya Grand Prix

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We need a race abbreviation for the Barcelona-Catalunya Grand Prix. What do we like: "BAR"? "CAT"? Something else? Template:F1GP 2020–2029 currently uses "CAT". DH85868993 (talk) 09:47, 20 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For starters, Template:F1GP 2020-2029 should not be listing 2026 Grands Prix until the start of 2026 at the very earliest. Right now, it shows a list of red links and redirects to other pages and is therefore useless.
To the issue at hand, BAR makes more sense. Firstly, as was pointed out in an edit summary, the event name is being shortened Barcelona Grand Prix (including by the official F1 ticket vendor; the title page uses the official name, but further down they do not). If we dont follow that, we can go down the Las Vegas/Sao Paulo GP route (they are LVG and SAP respectively) and go for "BCL" or "BCC", but I think that CAT is the weakest option. SSSB (talk) 10:03, 20 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
BAR is more appropriate and recognisable, in my opinion, per SSSB. MB2437 12:49, 20 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In my limited experience the more common everyday abbreviation for Barcelona is "BCN," after the airport. "BAR" would also be fine. Namelessposter (talk) 14:07, 20 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
+1, BCN is also what came to my mind first (might be an avgeek thing), but I agree that either BCN or BAR work. CAT seems a little odd per SSSB. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 19:53, 20 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just seen that BCN is the commonly accepted abbreviation for the city in the Barcelona infobox. MB2437 19:57, 20 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
CAT is, however, the abbreviation used for the circuit in other series -- for example, 2025 Formula 2 Championship, which calls the event the '2025 Barcelona Formula 2 round'. But if we wish to name after the event rather than the circuit, which is fine, I also like BCN as an avgeek haha - Mitchea99 (talk) 11:08, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You make a good point. But since the Barcelona GP is a one-off event following the loss of the Spanish GP, I think it makes more sense to use the abbreviation for that event. (I can understand why the F2 Wikipedians prefer to use the track abbreviations, since sometimes there’s multiple race weekends in a country in a season, but we abbreviate Belgium F1 as BEL and Belgium F2 as SPA, so I’m not sure consistency is key here.) Namelessposter (talk) 03:58, 23 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We always use abbreviations based on event name. Other series use abbreviations based on circuit names because their events either don't not have official names (because they are support races) or are usually named after the circuit (I assume, based on our article titles for Formula 2 rounds etc.) SSSB (talk) 05:38, 23 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This discussion has come to a natrual conclusion with a clear consensus against CAT but no action. Looking at the discussion, the most support seems to be for BCN, so I will implement that now. SSSB (talk) 06:19, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think we should just wait until the results tables start to appear next season. The sources will provide us with the abbreviation. Tvx1 16:51, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I imagine they will conflict. MB2437 17:43, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly. That’s why we should wait. Tvx1 06:54, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We needed an abbreviation because the event was being added to places where we use abbreviations. We will undoubtedly revisit in March and then we can copy the sources because they will exist. SSSB (talk) 12:08, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We can easily hide those tables until next season gets underway… Tvx1 07:39, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2022 British Grand Prix

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In the Race Report section: When he returned to his car it was not running so he could not continue. George Russell's car was missing a wheel after the Lap 1 crash. He could not have continued the race whether his engine was running or not. Can somebody reword this sentence? Electricmemory (talk) 20:34, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In the article that's cited, Russell states the car no longer running led to his retirement from the race. It seems he believed he could have made it to the pits to replace the tires if he hadn't gotten out the car, and since the engine died we don't know if he could or couldn't. I'll change the phrasing to make it flow better and add that he had lost a wheel to the sentence before though. It's not like people haven't completed a lap on three wheels before. QWisps (talk) 00:13, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@QWisps F1 permits driving on punctured tires but I don't believe they allow driving with full wheels missing. I might be wrong, but I thought that'd been outlawed for some time Electricmemory (talk) 18:42, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Don't entirely remember either to be honest, though I'm sure the fact the session was red flagged would've been a factor in him believing he could've made it to the pits. QWisps (talk) 22:27, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
From what I remember, Russell lost a wheel. He thought he could continue round the track, and enter the pit lane during the red flag for repairs, allowing him to remain in the race. However, Russell left the car to check on Zhou. The marshalls thought that Russell exited the car because he was retiring. Consequently they loaded it onto a flat bed truck and drove off with it. This action meant that Russell could not legal restart the race, because the car had been moved. The car no longer running shouldn't have been a factor. The hybrid engines are capable of restarting themselves. SSSB (talk) 22:58, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I was more curious about the missing wheel and why he thought he could restart without it. I was under the impression that wasn't allowed (and Russell would've known that). Electricmemory (talk) 02:23, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The regulation I think you are refering to issue 26.10 which states:

Any driver whose car has significant and obvious damage to a structural component which results in it being in a condition presenting an immediate risk of endangering the driver or others, or whose car has a significant failure or fault which means it cannot reasonably return to the pit lane without unnecessarily impeding another competitor or otherwise hindering the Competition must leave the track as soon as it is safe to do so.

At the sole discretion of the Race Director, should a car be deemed to have such significant and obvious damage to a structural component, or such significant failure or fault, the Competitor may be instructed that the car must leave the track as soon as it is safe to do so.

Missing a wheel is "significant and obvious damage to a structural component" and "a significant failure or fault" but I don't think it would count as "presenting an immediate risk of endangering the driver or others" nor "cannot reasonably return to the pit lane without unnecessarily impeding another competitor or otherwise hindering the Competition". The competition was suspended. Russell would only have endangered himself and the turn 1 marshalls and I'm sure Russell is sensible enough to drive slowly enough to control his car safely arount the track. It wasn't like he had to hurry. Frankly, even it were normal safety car conditions, I do not beleive 26.10 would have been applicable. SSSB (talk) 08:02, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah that makes sense. When Britain 2020 happened people were debating whether Hamilton should've been allowed to continue around with his left-front puncture, and there seemed to be a lot of claims that it was disallowed. I hadn't read the text of the rule. Electricmemory (talk) 17:31, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Article 26.10 was amended this year; in 2022, it read: If a driver has serious mechanical difficulties, he must leave the track as soon as it is safe to do so.[1]
The ambiguity in serious mechanical difficulties led to the Pérez controversy last season. MB2437 19:01, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Perez had a damaged wing though no? Hardly seems "mechanical" Electricmemory (talk) 20:30, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hence why it took the stewards three-and-a-half hours to come to a verdict and the rule was amended. MB2437 20:37, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Always takes something controversial occurring before they realize something doesn't make much sense Electricmemory (talk) 20:39, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Concerns with List of Formula One fatalities

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Please see this post in regards to List of Formula One fatalities. I am concerned that about half of the page is unsourced, despite it being a featured list. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 20:39, 16 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Examples? Eurohunter (talk) 07:26, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
See that talk page message for more info, specific concerns were addressed there. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 17:16, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Where did Sainz finish at COTA?

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The official published race results from F1 state Carlos Sainz retired on lap 5 of the 2025 USGP, however if you watch F1's own video on the race it clearly shows him retiring on lap 7. So... which is it? Electricmemory (talk) 04:36, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Five laps completed. FIA classification. He retired on lap 7 of the race, not his seventh lap.  hekatlys ✉  04:51, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Hekatlys Where did he lose two laps? I was watching the broadcast and missed that Electricmemory (talk) 18:41, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Electricmemory:: He didn't lose any. There are two phenomenon coinciding to make it appear this way.
The TV graphics show which lap number the leader is on. The classification table shows how many laps the driver completed. This means that although the lap counter showed lap 7, Verstappen had completed 6 laps. If Verstappen retired when when the camera moved to Sainz, the classification would show 6 laps for Verstappen (because at the start of the race the lap counter will say they are on lap 1, but zero laps have been completed. If you retire on the opening lap, the classification table shows zero in the lap column.)
The second phenomenon is that when Sainz retired, Verstappen would have just crossed the finish line, meaning he was on lap 7 (and had completed 6 laps). Because Sainz retired at the very end of the lap, he was still on lap 6 (despite only being a few hundred metres further back) and he had therefore completed 5 (almost 6 laps). Hence 5 laps on the classification, depite him being on lap 6, and Verstappen (a few hundred metres ahead) being on lap 7 (which is what TV grpahics use). SSSB (talk) 19:17, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for explaining it more thoroughly. I probably should have done so in my original post.  hekatlys ✉  20:14, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Gotcha. Wasn't quite thinking it through. Electricmemory (talk) 02:24, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Simon Pagenaud

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Somebody needs to add him to the Cadillac page. Electricmemory (talk) 05:26, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Could you elaborate?
He is already listed within the article's body under the Constructor personnel section. If you mean the infobox, development/simulator drivers are not listed there, only race, test and reserve. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 17:22, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@GalacticVelocity08 Yeah I'm blind haha. It is still missing from his own page however. Electricmemory (talk) 02:23, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Possible errors

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Hello, I’ve noticed a few possible errors regarding the birth and death dates of several F1 drivers (underlined is the information currently found on the English Wikipedia). Since relevant sources don't agree, maybe concerned articles should mention both?

Cheers — VVLLAACC France 20:26, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't trust DriverDB on birth/death dates. MB2437 20:28, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
+1 to Mb, DriverDB is not always accurate with dates. I'll try to look into these at some point today or tomorrow, but it's worth noting that database sources aren't always correct. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 21:17, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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