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Funding by Elton John disputed

Eric Idle is quite sure that Elton John didn't help to fund the film. https://twitter.com/EricIdle/status/1372555186485391366 -- 忍者猫 (talk) 15:22, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I somewhat agree - on Elton John's article, this interview with Terry Gilliam is referenced: https://www.theguardian.com/film/2002/mar/09/features.phelimoneill It implies that Elton John was contacted for funding, but states nothing about whether this contact resulted in any actual money being exchanged. When this is cleared up, the corresponding correction should also be made at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elton_John#cite_note-235 . RudolfSchreier (talk) 11:48, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

According to Mark Forstater, producer of the film, in his book "The 7th Python - A Twat's Tale", page 55, the funding for the film was provided by: Michael White, Mark Forstater, Led Zeppelin, Island Records, Pink Floyd, Gladiola Films, Anthony Stratton Smith, Charisma Records, Chrysalis Records, and Ian Anderson. Elton John may have been signed to one of the three record labels noted, making him an investor-by-association, but, in Mark Forstater's book he is not noted directly. 99.196.176.254 (talk) 23:14, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Poor sourcing

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Despite the unbelievers, this article has mentioned the credits for over 19 years. However, rather than sourcing this to an article by one Cindy Davis, on a webblog where M. Davis just does clickbaity "20 Facts About …" articles and is not actually identifiable and whose expertise is unknown, you can do so much better here.

There's a professor of Media Arts from Brigham Young University, a identifiable credentialled expert writing in xyr field of expertise, who actually explains each individual credit, item by item (e.g. "Hengt Douglas-Home" being a reference to Alec Douglas-Home), at Larsen 2015. Far from following up on the bad idea earlier on this talk page of building this article with random pop culture references, you can in fact have expert-sourced content on the cultural references that this movie makes.

And the reason not to source articles to such shallow clickbait space fillers is made amply evident by Hoffman 2015, p. 136. Use the experts, a professor of English in this second case, and you'll discover "facts about" the movie that, contra to M. Davis, you actually did not know, and truly are not in this article, such as that the credits were at the end of the movie in the original theatrical releases, contradicting what this article currently says about why they were written (which isn't even supported by the Davis source). Even the less detailed Butler & Klepuszewski 2014, p. 57 (lecturer in English and Ph.D. in literary studies) mentions Sir Not-Appearing-in-this-Film, who is thus far not appearing in this article too.

If you don't source to shallow clickbait weblogs of unidentifiable authorship, you can do so much better.

Larsen, Darl (2015). "Title and Credit Sequence". A Book about the Film Monty Python and the Holy Grail: All the References from African Swallows to Zoot. Rowman & Littlefield. pp. 1–26. ISBN 9781442245549.
Hoffman, Donald L. (2015). "Not Dead Yet: Monty Python and the Holy Grail in the Twenty-first Century". In Harty, Kevin J. (ed.). Cinema Arthuriana: Twenty Essays, rev. ed. McFarland. pp. 136–148. ISBN 9781476608440.
Butler, Stephen; Klepuszewski, Wojciech (2014). "Monty Python and the Flying Feast of Fools". In Dobrogoszcz, Tomasz (ed.). Nobody Expects the Spanish Inquisition: Cultural Contexts in Monty Python. Rowman & Littlefield. pp. 53–60. ISBN 9781442237377.

Uncle G (talk) 22:52, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bits & Pieces - Trivia?

"Sir Not-Appearing-In-This-Film" was "portrayed" by Michael Palin's son, Tom Palin. (Being a cut and paste of his baby photo.). This is documented in several Python books. ("The Pythons on The Pythons" for example.)

The film was first run on U.S. television on HBO or Showtime in 1976 - I forget which, THEN it was shown once on U.S. network television (C.B.S.?), then left to P.B.S. 99.196.176.254 (talk) 22:57, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Green knight

In the casting section it saw Terry Gilliam played the 'Green Knight' and this has a link to the wiki page of the mythological character. Has it actually been stated that these characters are one and the same? To me there doesn't seem to be much similarity beyond the fact the Gilliam character wears a green tunic. Firestar47 (talk) 11:14, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed - I've removed the wikilink. Barry Wom (talk) 13:43, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]