Help talk:Userspace draft

Example of user draft in Draft: namespace

I cannot understand the intent of Draft:Example/Username. I see 'Example' is the example username. If there is a draft article that has identical name as 'Example' username, they collide. Shouldn't it be Draft:Username/Example/Lipsum or something? AkiGoto (talk) 05:23, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

This information page is not about stuff in Draft namespace. It is about stuff on a user subpage. As volunteers, editors have the freedom to create articles and potential content in the Draft namespace or on a personal subpage. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 17:23, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Harassment of editors who are creating content on subpages

We need to say something that forbids stalking and harassment of editors who are working on legitimate content on their subpages. While nothing is truly and fully "personal" here (even though the editor does initially own the copyright of what they create), and any editor who is obsessed enough about another editor's actions can observe what they are doing, they should not disturb that editor's content creation activities, ridicule them, or broadcast what they are doing on their subpage if what is being done there does not violate any rules. Such harassment is uncollegial and disruptive.

If there is any legitimate concern about such a subpage, the editor should be approached on their talk page in a civil manner and the issues discussed there and only there. (Note that using the talk page of a subpage does not ping the editor, so use their regular talk page.) They should AGF and be civil, not try to get another editor in trouble. Bad-faith editors who obsessively stalk other editors and ridicule what they are doing are detrimental to the project. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 17:40, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Changes reverted

I made four careful changes, with edit summaries, and, because I was aware of previous issues here, I was very careful to not change the policy by introducing anything new that wasn't already there.

They were all reverted by @Just Step Sideways: with this edit summary:

"Pretty much the last person on earth who should be altering policy on user space drafts."

My changes were restored by @Blueboar: with this edit summary:

"I think these changes were improvements."

Then PME reverted back to the status quo version, so we are here. Let's discuss this.

I can understand why JSS didn't like me making any changes here (we have history!), but, being very conscious of that, I was careful to not "alter" the policy.

I only made (1) some totally innocent improvements of grammar (which were all reverted unnecessarily) and (2) made explicit what was already implicit in the next sentence. That is not an "alteration" of the policy, but more accurately is a "clarification" of the policy. We like clarifications as they prevent misunderstandings.

Before:

Articles in the Wikipedia:Draft namespace can be edited and moved into the main encyclopedia by anyone. So you can create the draft in your personal userspace, move to the draft namespace to be edited by anyone, and later moved to the main encyclopedia.

After:

Unlike userspace drafts, draft articles in the Wikipedia:Draft namespace can be edited and moved into the main encyclopedia by anyone. So you can create the draft in your personal userspace, move it to the draft namespace to be edited by anyone, and later move it to the main encyclopedia. (bold added to clarify the parallelism)

So there was no "altering" of the meaning of the policy. We have two different policy pages because draftspace and userspace are different. This difference in the "right to edit" is one difference. It is not absolute, but it exists under normal conditions. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 03:01, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

I don’t know the history between the various editors here, but the edits struck me as minor improvements to grammar, and not significant changes to the meaning of the policy. Am I missing something? Blueboar (talk) 13:48, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

The actual edits are what's important. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 14:18, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Well, I'll grant that I misspoke as this is a help page, not a policy page. However, this is not the first time you have altered WP-space pages at the exact same time that you were engagened in a proloned dispute about the exact issue elsewhere, creating the impression that you are altering the page to support your own views. It seems fairly clear that you are trying to draw a distinction that suggests user space drafts are akin to private property, you've said you believe this elsewhere, so this just looks bad for you to be doing this, especially right now. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 20:40, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Ah… in that case… it is wise to avoid “seeming impropriety”… while I still support the edit, I would suggest that we wait to implement it until the dispute elsewhere is settled. In my opinion, the edit is only a minor grammar improvement, and so does not need to be implemented right this second. It can wait. Blueboar (talk) 21:06, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

By the addition of the text Unlike userspace drafts, the After: version implies that userspace drafts can not be edited by anyone. The Before: version does not. This is a change in meaning. Rotary Engine ^talk 21:15, 13 October 2024 (UTC)