Talk:Cobra Crack

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Review: June 23, 2024. (Reviewed version).

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GA Review

Passed. Arconning · (talk · contribs) 03:34, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Cobra Crack/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Aszx5000 (talk · contribs) 21:24, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Arconning (talk · contribs) 17:33, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will be reviewing this, comments will probably be finished in the next 72 hours! Arconning (talk) 17:33, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Aszx5000 Here are my comments for now. Hope they can be addressed! Arconning (talk) 14:04, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much for that @User:Arconning, I have made them all with just one question on paraphrasing the quote from Trotter. Much appreciated. Aszx5000 (talk) 15:25, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prose and MoS

Lead and infobox

Remove sourcing for "Grade", "First ascent", and "First free ascent", as they are all mentioned in the body.

Done

Please mention the location of the climb in the body and source it there instead rather than the infobox.

Done

After repulsing many leading climbers – most notably by Swiss climber Didier Berthod in 2005 – Canadian climber Sonnie Trotter made the first free ascent in 2006. , replace repulsing with something more formal, then replace the endashes with commas.

Done

5.14b (8c) , add comma at the end.

Done

History

Wikipedia:Proseline. Probably integrate the years within the paragraph rather than at the starting point.

Done, I had to re-word the first paragraph's two lead sentences to make it flow

free the route, I'm guessing this refers to free climbing? Hyperlink if so. Also reword to "free climb the route".

Done, and hyperlinked

Route

The route has an abrasive surface, add comma at the end.

Done

circa 30 metres, circa 45 degrees, use a c. template.

Done

extremely difficult (and painful), remove parenthesis.

Done

The technical crux, is crux a climbing term? If so, hyperlink as well.

Done

In 2006, Trotter said: "The redpoint crux comes over the lip on a slippery side pull; the feet are next to nothing, and it takes momentum and a huge throw to latch the final edge, at which point you're about 15 to 20 feet about your last piece of gear—it's really exciting"., I think you should paraphrase the quote.

Not done, Trotter is a major figure in climbing, so I though it was good to quote his reaction, i.e. direct "from the horse's mouth" so to speak? If you feel strongly however I can paraphrase? thanks

That's fair.

Legacy

beautiful as ever"., put period within the quotes as it's stated as such in the source.

Done

Ascents

Would like to know why there are two 1sts mentioned.

Done, clarified that the first one was as a aid climbing route, but the rest are free climbing

Filmography

Year before role, "Documentary (2005), Director”. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lists of works#Filmographies

Done

Add endash at the end to break up notes. First Ascent: The Movie (2005), Peter Mortimer. Sender Films. ASIN B000IWPP4G. – Documentary with Didier Berthold.

Done

Images

Images have proper licenses, relevant.
Probably change the first image's caption to "Crack seen from the ground".

Done

Refs

Manual check, everything seems okay.
Earwig picks up quotes, pass.

Spotchecks

Random references check, 5, 14, 18, 24, all seem good.

Misc

No ongoing edit war, article is focused and broad on the topic being discussed.

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3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 22:32, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Climber standing at the distinctive 'Cobra' silhouette groove at the start of the Cobra Crack

... that when Didier Berthod failed to make the first free ascent of Cobra Crack (pictured) in 2005, he quit climbing and became a Franciscan monk, but returned in 2024 to make the 20th ascent?

Source: Climbing Mazine, PlanetMountain

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Joseph Tetley

Improved to Good Article status by Aszx5000 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

Aszx5000 (talk) 13:57, 23 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Article has achieved Good Article status. No issues of copyvio or plagiarism. All sources appear reliable. Hook is interesting and sourced. QPQ is done. Looks ready to go. Thriley (talk) 03:01, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Berthod's becoming a Franciscan monk is not mentioned in the article Aszx5000. Personally, I would be inclinde to remove the last nine words of the hook per WP:DYKTRIM. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:13, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - @AirshipJungleman29:, I have added his vocation to the article now; no problem trimming but I think the fact that he returned to ascend it is a great part of the story (and hook)? Aszx5000 (talk) 16:24, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - @AirshipJungleman29: Have your concerns been resolved? Z1720 (talk) 17:24, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      - Yes. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:25, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      - Aszx5000 A few things need to be rephrased per Earwig. Even little parts like "the first free ascent" and "one of the hardest crack climbs in the world" can, and should, be rephrased. Those are just two examples. SL93 (talk) 01:45, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        @Aszx5000: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 19:55, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        looks like it's been a week since comment, so, marking this one for closure. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:11, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BorgQueen:, @Theleekycauldron:. I am only back from my travels today and will answer this shortly. There is a simple explanation and it is just an understandable misunderstanding of climbing terms (e.g. first free ascent). But can you re-open and I will then respond? Sorry for the inconvenience. thanks. Aszx5000 (talk) 08:59, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Very well. Re-opened. BorgQueen (talk) 09:34, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@SL93:. Only back from my travels so responding to your comments above. The term first free ascent is a 'climbing term' and would never really be paraphrased. "Hardest crack climb in the world" is also a common phrase climbing as crack climb is also a climbing term (there are many climbing refs online using "hardest crack climbs in the world" - E.g. here, here). The other copyvios are from direct quotes that I have attributed to the author, and I wanted to use their statement for clarity. I hope that addresses your concern, but happy to discuss further, or take any reasonable action you feel is needed. thanks. Aszx5000 (talk) 10:06, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will take your word for it. SL93 (talk) 16:50, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Typo in source?

Hi Aszx5000, thanks for this article.

In the Trotter quote "you're about 15 to 20 feet about your last piece of gear" - is this a typo from the source? It would make more sense if it was "you're about 15 to 20 feet above your last piece of gear" (Eg)?

If so, use MOS:TYPOFIX "insignificant spelling and typographic errors should simply be silently corrected (for example, correct basicly to basically)" without bothering with sic? (If not, I'm just showing my ignorance of climbing terminology!) JennyOz (talk) 10:35, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Very good sport @JennyOz. That should be "above" but Trotter's quote uses "about". If have put [above] in to clarify it, and hopefully that works. thanks for that. Aszx5000 (talk) 11:17, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That looks better, thank you. JennyOz (talk) 11:46, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]