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This is an archive of discussions from Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals for the month of March 2007. Please move completed March discussions to this page as they occur, add discussion headers to each proposal showing the result, and leave incomplete discussions on the Proposals page. After March, the remainder of the discussions will be moved to this page, whether stub types have been created or not.

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Stub proposers please note: Items tagged as "nocreate" or "no consensus" are welcome for re-proposal if and when circumstances are auspicious.

Bangladesh history stub

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The result of the debate was create cat.
Bangladesh has around 2,000 years of documented history, and new pre-historical evidences has started to emerge. There also is long history that features diverse people like the Portuguese, English, Armenians, Rakkhaines, Manipuris, Arabs, Greeks, Persians and Afghans which may not feature on their respective homelands' history. Especially important is the fact that since independence Bangladesh had a very turbulent history that concerns mostly just Bangladesh and Bangladeshis. To coordinate all that now there's a Wikipedia:WikiProject History of Bangladesh, though it is yet really take flight. I propose for a Bangladesh history stub, like is a {{Bangladesh-geo-stub}}, a {{Bangladesh-bio-stub}}, a {{Bangladesh-edu-stub}}, and a {{Bangladesh-org-stub}}. Aditya Kabir 03:36, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Split of Cricket-bio-stubs

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2 countries have passed the 60 article guideline and so I would like to propose:
{{Ireland-cricket-bio-stub}} / Category:Irish cricket biography stubs (73 articles)
{{Canada-cricket-bio-stub}} / Category:Canadian cricket biography stubs (63 articles)
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Ethiopia-athletics-bio-stub

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The result of the debate was create.
Upmerged template has 63 articles propose Category:Ethiopian athletics biography stubs
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China-footy-bio-stub

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There are 65 articles tagged with {{China-sport-bio-stub}} and {{Asia-footy-bio-stub}} so I propose {{China-footy-bio-stub}} / Category:Chinese football biography stubs.
Waacstats 00:25, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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UAE-bio-stub

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The result of the debate was create.
While sorting through some of the sports categories i have noticed that some countries have enough articles for bio-stub templates which do not currently exist. The first of these is UAE. By my calculation there are 29 footballers, 19 cricketers, 7 other sportsmen and a quick look in politicians shows atleast 6. Making a category of over 60 people. So I propose {{UAE-bio-stub}} and Category:United Arab Emirati people stubs
Waacstats 00:25, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Trinidad-(sport-)bio-stub

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The result of the debate was create -bio-, wait on -sport-bio-.
Just searching through athletics and football categories gave me over 60 articles relating to trinidad sportsmen & women. This would suggest a {{Trinidad-sport-bio-stub}} and related category however we don't yet have a {{Trinidad-bio-stub}} and i feel going straight to a sport-bio-stub maybe jumping the gun and that the bio-stub maybe of more general use
Waacstats 00:25, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

While neither Category:Caribbean people stubs, Category:West Indian cricket biography stubs, Category:Caribbean boxing biography stubs, Category:Central America and Caribbean athletics biography stubs, nor Category:Trinidad and Tobago stubs is even close to being overlarge, I'd prefer creating {{Trinidad-bio-stub}} and {{Caribbean-sport-bio-stub}} first or at least at the same time as {{Trinidad-sport-bio-stub}}, simply to avoid the problem of having stubs skipping generations. Caerwine Caer’s whines 18:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
That is similar to what i meant but I don't know about {{Caribbean-sport-bio-stub}} as it would possibly give a national template a specific sport template and a third caribbean-sport template all on one page, not pretty. Waacstats 22:27, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

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Bermudian sportspeople

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The result of the debate was create Bermuda-bio & Bermuda-cricket-bio.
We have 55 articles relating to Bermudian cricketers throw in a further 8 people from athletics and football and we have a {{Bermuda-sport-bio-stub}} category however we don't currently have a {{Bermuda-stub}} let alone a bio-stub as articles relating to Bermuda are currently tagged with {{UK-Atlantic-stub}}so how do we split this
{{Bermuda-stub}} / Category:Bermuda stubs
{{Bermuda-bio-stub}} / Category:Bermudian people stubs
{{Bermuda-sport-bio-stub}} / Category:Bermudian sportspeople stubs
{{Bermuda-cricket-bio-stub}} / Category:Bermudian cricket biography stubs
{{UK-Atlantic-bio-stub}} / Template:British Atlantic territory biography stubs
or some other way. Personally I feel that {{Bermuda-bio-stub}} would be the way to go as being of most use with an upmerged {{Bermuda-cricket-bio-stub}}
Waacstats 00:25, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

  • I'd go for both a Bermuda-bio-stub and a UK-Atlantic-bio-stub, even if the latter is upmerged. There are a lot of articles about Bermudian cricketers, it's true, but there are also quite a number of other articles about Bermudians (including, IIRC, one about a guy who is a local eccentric who goes out to wave to the traffic every day!). A UK-Atlantic-bio-stub would cater for the several Falklanders and St. Helenans (Helenians?) that no doubt have articles, and could either become a parent stubcat for the bermuda one, or simply be upmerged into the main UK_Atlantic cat. An upmerged Bermuda-cricket-bio-stub might also be prudent, since it will no doubt increase past threshold pretty soon (see also the Ireland and Canada noms above). I must admit that the "UK Atlantic" stubcats are a bit of a kludge anyway - there is no permcat parent, but there is also no easy way to separate these stubs out. Grutness...wha? 03:00, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Support for Bermuda-stub, bio-stub, and templates for the rest.--Thomas.macmillan 18:23, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

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Various airport sub-types

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The result of the debate was create.
Asian airports are oversized, Europeans and US are getting that way. I'm going to suggest:

I'm not giving alleged counts, as the only numbers I have are manifestly very out of date. I first noticed the enormous number of China-geo-stubs that are airports, but that isn't reflected in the last db dump. (But I'll gaze in wonder that the Russians feature with at least 100 in both Euro- and Asia- types...) Instead, I'll just float these now, hope a db dump happens along before we're all that much older, and if not, just create upmerged stub templates and thereafter see what happens, until these pass threshold. Anyone turning up to say "why don't we completely ignore that the permcat is Category:Airports in the People's Republic of China, and create it with some other scope entirely?", I wonder? Alai 05:23, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

As long as you don't give it the template {{China-airport-stub}}, I won't complain about the proposed stub category. Caerwine Caer’s whines 05:45, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
I'd suggest {{PRC-airport-stub}}. Alai 06:08, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

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Split of {{Iran-geo-stub}}

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The result of the debate was create upmerged templates per Aelf.
This one is getting to about 800. Splitting {{Tehran-geo-stub}} would take off 84. I propose the template plus the separate category. Aelfthrytha 04:55, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Support I'd be surprised since there are only 30 provinces if there aren't some others large enough to warrant at least upmerged templates as well. Caerwine Caer’s whines 05:42, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
  • If we want to do upmerged, the best candidates in descending order would be: Esfahan (55), Fars (46), Khuzestan (39), West Azerbaijan (34), Mazandaran (33), Razavi Khorasan (32), and East Azerbaijan (31). If you'd like any other counts, let me know. I'm open to amending the proposal and have full and current count data as of this morning. Aelfthrytha 16:46, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Thanks, Aelf; I'm not use on this one, since there's no permcatting of any use here. Apparently Iran used to have a smaller number of provinces, and the modern provinces are essentially split/promoted sub-units of those. Would there be any merit in splitting into those (maybe just using the modern names, hyphenated), with upmerged templates? Alai 17:22, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
      • I tried to talk to Wikiproject Iran about this, but the people who replied to me simply insisted that the current provinces are the only subdivision of the country. They claimed there were no regions, etc that we could use as intermediate levels between national / provinical boundaries. Go figure. Aelfthrytha 03:42, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
        • I reserve the right to ignore 'em, at least in case of provinces with two-part names, where the second parts are all identical, and the first parts are "East", "West", "North", "South", etc. :) Alai 04:30, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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{{SouthAm-musician-stub}} and {{SouthAm-singer-stub}} / Category:South American musician stubs

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Don't seem to exist, would be catchall category for South American musicians that don't have more specific stubs, if there is not enough for own category for both, would suggest upmerging -singer-stub so atleast musician stub would be viable. Monni 23:15, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

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{{asia-band-stub}} / Category:Asian musical group stubs

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The result of the debate was create.
European catchall stub was proposed elsewhere, so I suggest making one for Asia too. There is already {{asia-singer-stub}} and {{asia-musician-stub}}, so this one makes it step further. Monni 17:04, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

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Category:European musician stubs

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The result of the debate was create.
Musicians oversized, no country seems to hit threshold, lumping by continent would give 93. (In this case, there's even a permcat: Category:European musicians.) Africa is bubbling under in the 40s. Alai 03:23, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

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Paleontology sub-types

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The result of the debate was create.

I think these were mooted in passing on a previous occasion, but for clarity I'll air them here again. (Parent oversized again.) Alai 02:56, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Support. In fact, I think I may have suggested it last time. The reptile one will allow a natural parent for dinosaur-stub a(and hopefully stop people adding that template to pterosaurs, plesiosaurs, and ichthyosaurs). May have some problem with synapsids, though, since there are two schools of thought as to whether they were "real" reptiles or a separate reptile-like group. Grutness...wha? 04:50, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was create.
Currently there are over 700 articles tagged as "wine stubs", and there are a significant number assessed as stubs by the Wine Project. Looking at the ones currently labeled as wine stubs, I'd like to propose a few sub-groups to make the stubs more manageable for the project:

Category:Wine grape stubs/{{wine-grape-stub}} (currently 178)
Category:Winery stubs/{{winery-stub}} (currently 135)
Category:Wine region stubs/{{wine-region-stub}} (currently 86)
Category:Wine biography stubs/{{wine-bio-stub}} (currently 69) - there is currently a {{drink-bio-stub}} but most of these do not seem have that tag. --- The Bethling(Talk) 02:40, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

  • As Category:Wine regions is a descendant (great-great-great-grandchild) of Category:Geography it probably would be best to make that stub template be {{wine-geo-stub}} (With {{wine-region-stub}} as a redirect or vice versa as the template and {{wine-geo-stub}} as the redirect.) so to indicate the link with other geography based stubs. Caerwine Caer’s whines 03:04, 8 March 2007 (UTC)'
    • Hm -I'd have gone the other way on that - I'd prefer wine-region-stub with a redirect at wine-area-stub (to parallel protected-area-stub). It's perhaps a little too specialised to be considerd primarily a geo-type, I think. BTW, support all four, but with the usual caveat about double-stubbing with subregion-geo/nation-bio/etc. Grutness...wha? 04:40, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
      • Howdy, as a wine project member, I would also prefer wine-region-stub since that is how those areas are most commonly refer to. You will rarely, if ever, hear about a wine geographical area. AgneCheese/Wine 07:39, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
    • BTW, I know that the two terms aren't entirely interchangeable, but would a vineyard-stub redirect for winery-stub be appropriate, and wording it so that it covers both? It's quite likely that a lot of the stubs cover one or the other but not both, and it would probably be useful to keep them all in the same place for editors. Grutness...wha? 08:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
  • I'd go with {{wine-region-stub}} for the (actual) template, to echo the language of the category. The various redirects mentioned would probably be "allowed", but I wouldn't see any of them as being "required" (as Dr. Feel would say). I see what Grutness is saying about vineyards; as there's no separate Category:Vineyards permcat, that may be reasonable too, though possibly a separate up(?)merged template would be preferable. Alai 16:20, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Support all except Wine region stubs: Region is essentially overlap or distracting from the geography stubs. For example Sonoma and Napa Counties, California, and most of France are wine regions. So it means double stubbing with existing geographical stubs. Goldenrowley 01:10, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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{{room-stub}} and cl|architecture - room stubs Category:Room stubs

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The architecture stub category is bursting its seams with stub articles: Architecture/Rooms is one of the largest groupings. See a proposed architecture menu under Category:Architectural elements although my proposal is to link to Category:Rooms. Another possible proposal is architectural styles from same menu. Goldenrowley 02:39, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

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{{arch-style-stub}} and cl|architecture - style stubs Category:Architectural style stubs

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I may as well propose this one too, as it has a larger count than rooms. Goldenrowley 02:47, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

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{{Civil-engineering-stub}}

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This is a parallel to {{mech-engineering-stub}}, which I discovered improperly applied to a civil engineering stub article. Perusing {{engineering-stub}}s, I can find about 30 articles which would definitely belong in civil engineering stubs, and there are probably more which aren't tagged as engineering-stubs, including some number of {{geology-stub}}s I've already created the stub type and added one article to it, before I ran across the proposal procedure. If this isn't approved, I'll delete the stub type. Αργυριου (talk) 22:22, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

weak support. Would need 60 existing stubs and a little cleanup in the template and category, but otherwise sounds like reasonable idea. Monni 22:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Support the template, upmerged if it doesn't prove populable to north of 50, at the very least. Alai 23:56, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Maybe there is 60 if we recategorize the things I've stubbed with {{industrial-design-stub}} and pick up some stragglers found in architecture and in design? please forgiveme if I have accidentally confused several occupations in making this proposal. Goldenrowley 02:27, 20 March 2007 (UTC)...considering my history you might wonder why I want to do away with industrial design stub so soon. Because I searched hard, but I only found a few articles on industrial design and it has no career path. Goldenrowley 03:52, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Between base engineering stubs, architecture stubs which are about engineering, geology stubs which are either more about engineering or are both, and your suggested industrial design stubs, I think I should be able to tag 60 articles fairly quickly, when I have time to go stub-hunting. Αργυριου (talk) 21:10, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Then I SUPPORT! with upmerge the industrial design stubs into the Civil E. category. Goldenrowley 20:58, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Got 62 articles into the stub category on a quick trawl through {{engineering-stub}} and {{geology stub}}. Αργυριου (talk) 20:34, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

For the record the category proposed is Category:Civil engineering stubs Goldenrowley 04:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

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Papuan languages

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The result of the debate was create Category:Papuan language stubs.

We already have several stub types for different language families, but not this one. There are several hundred of these languages, most of which will unfortunately remain stubs for a long time to come. Some may have already been incorrectly given the stub template for Austronesian languages. --Ptcamn 22:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Are you saying there's several hundred stub articles at present (or at least, over 60), or just that there's severeal hundred such languages? Alai 22:39, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
FWIW, Alai, there are hundreds of articles already - not sure how many of them are stubs, but at a guess most of them are. May be worth running this past whoever cameup with that "two-letter code language stub template" system, though. Grutness...wha? 00:22, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I believe there are enough stubs based on the number in the language category, but that's just a guess. I'll get on counting it. Aelfthrytha 13:45, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
To answer my own question, from the Feb. db dump, I can find exactly 60 tagged with lang-stub, and under Category:Papuan languages. So, support. Alai 01:15, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
{{pa-lang-stub}}? Owch. Alai 00:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Do they speak that oddly in Pittsburgh...? :/ Grutness...wha? 01:04, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I can archive the category as a consensus to create. However, I cannot with a conscious archive "pa-language-stub" as a clear consensus. Goldenrowley 06:08, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

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Thai-geo subtypes

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The result of the debate was create.

Parent is now oversized, and as the country has over 70 first-order subdivisions, those seem unlikely to be viable in the short term. Instead, I suggest upmerged provincial templates, feeding into the above allegedly generally-recognised regions of Thailand. Alai 19:36, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Generally support/I question naming of Isan is that a good idea? Goldenrowley 20:29, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
That's what the {featured) article is called. Alai 22:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
"Northeast Thailand" is an alternative name, according to regions of Thailand.It looks like Isan is a regional name, based on the language and can be spelled several ways. Goldenrowley 23:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
If there's a case for a different name, I'd suggest addressing that at the article in the first instance. If we have a {{Isan-geo-stub}}, then also having a template or redirect at {{Northeast-Thailand-geo-stub}} might be sensible, though in the first instance I was thinking in terms of having only the upmerged provincial templates. Alai 01:22, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok I am in consensus. Goldenrowley 04:32, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

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Category:Irish sportspeople stubs

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The result of the debate was create.
Oversized parent, these would hit 133. Alai 06:21, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Support would also be a parent for Category:Republic of Ireland football biography stubsbut what about Category:Northern Irish football biography stubs which is a subcat of a subcat of Category:Irish people stubs. Waacstats 00:41, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
If you can tell me exactly what the scope of Category:Irish people is (other than "deeply muddled"), I might be able to answer that. Alai 05:20, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Euro political party sub-types

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The result of the debate was do not create.

I realize we normally avoid semi-arbitrary conglomerations of countries, but these two do have permcats (though with stray capitalisation, which makes me wonder just how well-thought out they actually are). Otherwise, we might look at carving up the continent by UN geoscheme sub-region. Alai 06:11, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Possibly the Scandanavian one, but a quick glance at Category:Europe political party stubs convinces me that there is some considerable undersorting into the existing subtypes. In any case, the former Yugoslav one should be considered only after all other options have been exhausted. Caerwine Caer’s whines 07:14, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Oppose. I don't see the relevance in the "Scandinavia" group (without going into that the defintion of this groups is still a bit tricky). Scandinavians understand each other peoples' languages and have similar cultures but that's about it. There is next to no policy coordination between the Nordic countries and no formal bonds between the parties either. The Nordic Council never had any power and it will never get it. Valentinian T / C 15:17, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

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Bird sub-types

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The result of the debate was 3 creates: Galliformes, Anseriformes, and Falconiformes. Others do no create..

Parent is oversized again. Several of these have been proposed previously: I include them here for the sake of completeness, and since since several of these are either-or. Alai 05:24, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Well, if we're going by order, then bird of prey is out (especially since falconiformes would cover much of it) - it could easily be hijacked by the star trek project if we weren't careful, too! :) Mind you, that would also rule out anatidae and anatoidea since IIRC they're anseriformes. Given that, I'd go with Galliformes, Anseriformes, and Falconiformes. Keeping to the order level might be appropriate for a while, at least. Grutness...wha? 11:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

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Butterfly sub-types

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The result of the debate was create.

Parent is at exactly 800 stubs at present. Alai 05:13, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Wow I can't beleive there's so many butterflies ... support! Goldenrowley 20:25, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

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{{Senegal-footy-bio-stub}} / Category:Senegalese football biography stubs

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The result of the debate was create.
As the number of stubs in the Category:Senegalese footballers category has reached the consensus tally of 60, I will make and populate the mentioned template and category. Poulsen 11:42, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

It was probably the right thing to do, but waiting for the approval period is standard. Please hold off next time as a just in case sort of thing - there have been a few times when I'm sure and then a user points out something I haven't thought of yet. Aelfthrytha 13:51, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I can't promise you that, in the case of football biography stubs. They have so concrete a structure, that the only real task is counting to 60. Poulsen 16:34, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

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Euro-FC sub-types

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Parent is oversized, these seem to be viable. (Category:Yugoslav football clubs is next closest at 47.) Alai 05:45, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Wow, that thar's a lot of undersorting. Alai 05:50, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

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{{art-historian-stub}} / Category:Art historian stubs

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I propose this to subcategory to help differentiate the 8 page list of historians, and also to eliminate double stubbing (art and historian). I checked and over 60. People put them in the generic "art category" a lot. Goldenrowley 19:07, 3 March 2007 (UTC) (Forgive my momentary lapse of impeccable English) Goldenrowley 19:09, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

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Gulf of Chiriqui

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The result of the debate was not really a stub question, but GR adding the article to Wikipedia for Seacritter..
{{Panama-geo-stub}}/ Gulf of Chiriqui

The Gulf of Chiriqui is a unique part of Panama. This Gulf also encompasses Coiba National Park and Golfo de Chiriqui National Park. There are many islands in this Gulf. Along with the islands of Coiba National Park there is also Islas Secas, Los Ladrones, Parilla and Montuoso. Montuoso is the farthest island from Panama in this Gulf. During certain seasons, you can even spot Galapagos seals on Montuoso. The Gulf of Chiriqui also includes one of the most famous fishing areas, Hannibal Banks. Here the sky is the limit as to the size of the fish you can catch. (Seacritter 20:20, 3 March 2007 (UTC))

If that's a stub you wish to create, and your account is too new to allow you to do so yourself, you're probably looking for WP:AFC. Alai 21:07, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

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{{IR-stub}}

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The result of the debate was sent to SFD for deletion.
Stub for use by Wikipedia:WikiProject Irish Republicanism. One Night In Hackney303 00:41, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

What does Infrared have to with Irish Republicanism? A definite need for a rename to something way less ambiguous at a minimum. Caerwine Caer’s whines 01:07, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Could be redirected to finance-stub, since I doubt there would be enough stubs on Inland Revenue for their own stub type. More seriously, this should definitely be deleted - republicanism in Ireland is to do with irish politicvs and irish history, and as such either an Ireland-poli-stub or Ireland-hist-stub would be the way to go. We don't have stubs for republicanism movements in other countries, and there's no reason why we should start with one that is a likely edit-war magnet like the Irish one. Grutness...wha? 04:14, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
delete for being ambiguous. Monni 05:41, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

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{{criminology-stub}} / {{criminal-justice-stub}}

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The result of the debate was No consensus reached..
I've been working on criminology topics, as one of my areas of focus on Wikipedia. Despite my slow efforts, our coverage of this topic remains poor. I just created an article on the highly influential work, The Division of Labour in Society by Emile Durkheim, which is a classic work that is covered in basic-level criminology (and sociology) university courses. I'm surprised that this article did not exist yet. A few months back, I also found that no article existed on gun violence. (this is still a stub) As I keep working on this topic, I'm sure to find many more such missing articles. When I create them, I'd like to tag them as a stub, with something more specific than {{crime-stub}}. This stub category isn't quite appropriate for articles like The Division of Labour in Society, which is a hodgepodge category. The same situation applies to our coverage of criminal justice topics, which deal with the system/response aspects of crime such as corrections (prisons and other forms of punishment) and law enforcement. The {{crime-stub}} category includes numerous articles on correctional facilities (e.g. Sullivan Correctional Facility, Sugamo Prison, Ogdensburg Correctional Facility, to name a few). At this point, I'm pretty much the WikiProject, and hope you will cut me some slack on the "good number of stub articles" requirement. I think many of these stub articles don't exist yet. Stub categories that are more specific than "crime" would help me (and others) keep track of articles and work on criminology and criminal justice topics. --Aude (talk) 19:21, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I see that we have {{prison-stub}}, which helps. It still would help to have something between {{crime-stub}} and {{prison-stub}}. "Crime" is just too broad, and sorting things into more specific stub categories such as {{criminal-justice-stub}} and {{criminology-stub}} would help me enormously. --Aude (talk) 19:26, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
There's already {{law-enforcement-stub}}, {{criminal-law-stub}}, {{forensics-stub}} and {{criminologist-stub}} in addition to the aforementioned {{prison-stub}}. (Not to mention {{crime-bio-stub}} and {{crime-org-stub}}.) With only ~450 crime stubs and apparently a fair degree of undersorting (which sadly is not that unusual for stub categories), I'm inclined to be skeptical of the desirability of either proposed stub without some indication that there are the normal amount stubs for creating a new stub type. Caerwine Caer’s whines 21:26, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
{{criminologist-stub}} could be merged into {{criminology-stub}}. {{law-enforcement-stub}}, {{forensics-stub}}, and {{prison-stub}} would be subcategories of {{criminal-justice-stub}}. If really necessary, I could probably find 30-60 stubs to create for each... the topic is that underrepresented. But don't have the time to do that now, and it's better to do them more gradually. And such arbitrary requirements are just that... arbitrary. For now, I just won't bother tagging them as stubs, because lumping all these together under {{crime-stub}}, especially for criminology topics, is not useful for people working on the articles. --Aude (talk) 21:49, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
I think the first task is to sort the crime stub articles into the 5 (or more) existing categories, then see how many are have left over, since Carewine mentioned there are 450 undersorted crime stubs, a good sort may clean it right up into good condition again? Goldenrowley 05:03, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

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{{China-geo-stub}} further split, Alai solution

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The result of the debate was East China, Southwest China, North China, Northeast China, Anhui, Guangdong, and Zhejiang geo stubs all proposed. No clear outcome..
We've already split off South Central China geography stubs into a category which contains five templates for the provinces in the region, and that's done something to reduce the PRC geography stubs. However, the main cat is still at five pages - slightly less than 1,000 stubs. I propose furthering the Alai solution by adding four more categories: East China geography stubs, Southwest China geography stubs, North China geography stubs, and Northeast China geography stubs. Only the Northwest region is not ready for a split - for all of the others I simply stopped counting at 65, and I stopped at letter "L" so there would be quite a bit remaining. This would save a lot of work down the road and get the category under control. Along with that, I propose making the Anhui, Guangdong, and Zhejiang geography stubs subcategories of the relevant regions. Aelfthrytha 13:03, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Sounds reasonable. With any luck, it may also be a step on the way to alleviating the ongoing "mainland" bickering. Grutness...wha? 00:14, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Support. (Eponymous support even, I suppose.) This is clearly growing quite quickly, and if it continues doing so, we may be able to just split by more of the first-order divisions before too long. I think we should probably create Category:Northwestern China geography stubs too, since it'd have an existing subcat in the form of Category:Xinjiang geography stubs. Of course, it won't so much alleviate the "mainland" bickering, as open up a second front: whichever possible parent one chooses, the other faction will complain about it (witness Instantnood showing up on my talk page recently in relation to the South Centrals). I believe I'm going to take the matter back to SFD, and perhaps if necessary DRV, to attempt to get clearer resolution one way or another. Alai 01:36, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
I have to say I doubt whether this will result in any less fighting. Even in my current location on the island that may or may not be part of the PRC or the ROC depending on who you ask, people can't get along politically. Expect people on both sides of the strait and beyond to get along? I don't think so. Aelfthrytha 04:09, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
I was really meaning more with HK and Macao vs "Mainland". RoC is asking too much. If the UN can't solve that, I doubt a bunch of stub sorters can. Grutness...wha? 22:53, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
As I was saying, it won't so much alleviate anything as... Alai 03:34, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Support. But the new categories should remain sub-cats of Category:Mainland China geography stubs in any case. Mainland China (which is commonly known simply as China) is the main part of the People's Republic of China. Michael G. Davis 19:41, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
    • POLLY WANT A CRACKER
    All very well, except that "Mainland China" is an unofficial description which lends itself to all sorts of misinterpretation (is Hainan mainland China?). Also, there are no permcats for "Mainland China" (for the same reason), so there's no reason why there should be stubcats. Grutness...wha? 04:18, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment, where does Qinghai go in this scheme? Both the Northwest China and Southwest China articles claim it as part of that region. Caerwine Caer’s whines 17:39, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Oops. Those articles are certainly in need of being properly referenced, IN's certainly not wrong about that. On the basis of [1], [2] and [3], it appears to actually be in the NW. Alai 18:16, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
  • All these regions are regions in mainland China. Passer-by 22:18, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
    • POLLY WANT A CRACKER
    • Which isn't an official sub-division, isn't an official name, and most pertinently of all, isn't how the permcats are organised. Whither Category:Geography of mainland China, Category:Subdivisions of mainland China, Category:Provinces of mainland China, Category:Autonomous regions of mainland China, if this is such a great idea? BTW, can you please fix your signature so that it links to your user page (or user_talk: page)? Thanks. Alai 05:02, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
      • "Mainland China" is not an unofficial terminology. It is official. I don't know why there isn't perm cat for mainland China, but it depends on different situations. Provinces and so on have their bases in the Constitution, therefore and so on. Passer-by 10:33, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
        • Please explain in what contexts "mainland China" designates itself as "mainland China" for official purposes. Not when "mainland China" participates in the Olympics, say. Nor when "mainland China" issues passports. No permcat for this situation doesn't exist. The "provinces of the PRC" are quite distinct from "mainland China". If you're not going to create one, and have its existence subject to the will of the community, it makes very little sense to insist that stubs are grouped that way, seemingly solely on the basis of being able to mobilise enough "votes" at SFD and WSS/P, but not elsewhere. And, please link your signature. Alai 16:41, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
          • The People's Republic of China does not designate itself as "Mainland China". It defines the majority of itself to be "Mainland China". The People's Republic of China government, for example, releases economic and demographics figures of mainland China. Agencies of the People's Republic of China such as the Securities Regulatory Commission regulates financial activities in mainland China, whereas the People's Bank issues bank notes and coins for use in mainland China. Michael G. Davis 22:20, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
            • I repeat my question, which was not couched in terms of how the (entirity of the) PRC designates itself. When "mainland China" participates in the Olympics, it does so as "China". I don't know what passports issued in "mainland China" say precisely, but I'm betting it's "People's Republic of China", and not "mainland China". Your argument is that the PRC is in effect divided into three portions for any number of purposes (which I don't dispute, have never disputed, and have had IN lecturing me on for months), one of which ought to have some distinct appelation we can use, and which you wish to do so as "mainland China". But what I don't see is: any evidence this is an official designation (as opposed to an occasional description in specfic comparisons); any evidence this is the "most common name in English" for that portion; or more to the point, any established consensus on Wikipedia to name, scope and categorise things on such a basis -- and I firmly believe that stub types are entirely the wrong place to start. Alai 01:14, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Support split. Categorise the new categories under mainland China geography stubs. - Privacy 19:09, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Film terminology stub

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The result of the debate was create.
I'd like to propose an additional stub for the Film categories, one that parallels the [[Category:Film and video terminology]] category - either {film-terminology-stub} or (a bit too long IMHO) {film-and-video-terminology-stub}. There are about 50 currently marked simply as film-stub at this point, a few of which are: Cinema Novo, Classical Hollywood cinema, Collective for Living Cinema, Czechoslovak New Wave, Cinema of Nepal, Cinema of Israel, Cinemaphile, Differents, False ending, Film previews, First run films, Flashing arrow, Fly on the wall, Foreign film, Happy ending, Hawksian woman, Heterodiegetic, Hitchcockian, Holding deal, Hollywood cycles, Incendiary (film), Infinifilm, International co-production, Limited release, Low-budget film, Manitoba Barcode, Mobile cinema, Movie stills photographer, Negative cost, Nuevo Cine Mexicano, One last big job, Package film, Palestinian cinema, Poetic realism, Pressbook, Private screening (film), Red curtain, Remodernist film, Replication (metallography), Revival house, Set dresser, Sex scene, Snipe (theatrical), Tarzan yell, Tear jerker, Vamp (woman).

Additionally, there are quite a few articles in other stub categories, such as filming, that are probably mis-categorized and would belong here. SkierRMH 22:07, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Support We do have several stubs under film-stub that could do with this sub sorting. I am not sure about the stub-type name. I leave it for someone more experienced to decide. Hoverfish Talk 22:53, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Support. As for the name, we do use X-term-stub for some things such as geographical terms (and I think the same for geology). I realise they're hardly that closely related to film, but at least it gives a precedent for that type of stub name. Perhaps a {{film-term-stub}} with a redirect at {{video-term-stub}}, leading into Category:Film and video terminology stubs?

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