Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Radio KoL
Ok, so it gets a few thousand Google hits, but this is an internet radio station. I doubt it is notable. The article itself is quite poor, and needs cleanup, and the fact it includes a list of (presumably) forum user names isn't very promising. Internet radio stations generally aren't notable and I think this one isn't notable enough for it's own article. As it is part of a MMORPG, I think it should be merged in to Kingdom of Loathing or deleted. Hedley 02:41, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. 66.91.63.100
- I've formatted the above IP vote properly, it was inserted as 'delete anon ip'. Hedley 02:53, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Radio KoL is run seperatly to the main Kingdom of Loathing site. The radio station is paid for by donations to itself and out of the pocket of (I think) artsychick and SeveredToe. Its only connection to KoL is its recognition as the Radio Station for KoL. Yes, the article is poor. In fact, ive noticed the link to the featured stations is broken (though, the replacement page fails to work, which is why im not going to update it just yet). Im hoping on improving the contents of this article. I dont think the article should be deleted. I would prefer if it was maintained as its own seperate entry. but if the need be, I wont argue about merging it into the Kingdom of Loathing thread. DaCyclops 02:54, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Users only contributions have been to Radio KoL, an article related to Radio KoL and this VfD. Hedley 02:58, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- If you wish to improve the article now is the best time. I don't think the fact it is not ran on the Kingdom of Loathing site is relevant, it is the KoL station and hence is best placed in the KoL article, otherwise I can't see the encyclopaedic notability. Hedley 02:58, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Strong keep This radiostation is extremely notable. We have a lot of poor stubs on webstations and I don't know why you decided to choose this particular article. I'll quote myself one more time. "I could explain in many ways, why the station is notable, I'd just say it's THE ONLY radiostation based around a MMORPG, not even Everquest has something similar. It works 24 hours a day, all djs are people who play the game and they waste up to 4 hours a day on the radio. A truly notable radiostation.". radio "kingdom of loathing" gets 5000 hits. The station is fully independent from the KoL, it is not part of the game and it's real, working and popular radiostation. It shouldn't be merged, but rather stay on it's own. Please research before proposing such ridiculous deletion requests. Grue 04:33, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- I'd hardly say it was ridiculous. Web stations generally aren't notable, I did some research, and nothing came my way to show why this is notable. If this stays, the show articles should definetly go, or be merged. As you are the writer, i'd say strong keep is a bit POV, because its a 'Keep' at best. I'm perfectly justified in listing this VfD. Hedley 16:48, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Your Google search is unfair, and brings up too many Kingdom of Loathing results. The search "Radio" "Kingdom of Loathing" brings up the same amount, although less than 5,000 hits is hardly notability.
- Keep but needs revision, if it's a popular radio station, then it's a popular radio station. The language is poor though, so I say keep&revise. Asriel86 05:27, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)
- Keep Notable. --Fuzzball! (talk) 05:58, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Merge. I think this is important enough within the KoL community to deserve a section in the KoL article, but I would be shocked to learn that it had any signifigance outside of said community. Indrian 15:19, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)
Keep per the above. Radiant_* 15:56, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)convinced now. Merge per the below. Radiant_* 09:22, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)- Delete No better than any of the millions of Internet radio stations. If this stays, then every real station with an actual radio-frequency output must stay, and a good deal of those don't make the cut either. Chris 00:55, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Exactly. Furthermore, this station isn't one of the most popular ones - None of Shoutcast's front page stations have an article, bar Virgin Radio, as it is an FM feed. The fact Radio KoL only has 200 slots on a 24kbps mono stream means it could never be as notable as any of those stations - Why should this be an exception? The fact it is the only known MMORPG station is irrelevant, it can be explained in Kingdom of Loathing. Hedley 01:30, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- So how many radiostations can you name that have 24/7 of live shows, without replays or hour-long music sequences. I bet only a few. If there is one web-based radiostation that deserves its own article, it's that one. Grue 04:54, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- See [1], theres a lot there with five times or more the listeners of Radio KoL. To my knowledge, only stations like Digitally Imported deserve an article. Thats on Wikipedia and it is one of few that deserve inclusion. If this survives theres no way you can VfD any station with more than 120 listeners, which is just above what KoL had when I checked last night. Hedley 17:18, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- You know, these with thousands of listeners are commercial radiostations. As far as indie radios go, they couldn't be much more popular than rkol. However I was not talking about popularity here. You could have a bland dj-less top 40 radiostation, and it could be very popular. Or you could have an adfree radiostation with ~20 djs, each having his/her own unique personality, working for free, playing music that you won't hear anywhere else. Which of these deserves an article more? Grue 18:15, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- The notable one, which is the Top 40 radio station with a lot of popular. A lot of those stations are not commercial. I've worked for non-commercial, 'indie' stations more popular than 'KoL'. One of our rivals was deleted; They picked up five times as many listeners as KoL. KoL doesn't need its own article, it should be merged. Hedley 18:24, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- For the info of both of you, I've worked on what Gure would call an "indie" radio station. We easily have loads more than 200 listeners while on FM, not to mention several national industry awards over the year. If this keeps up, I'll have to write an article about it. 131.251.0.8 15:28, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC) (This is me forgetting to sign in. Chris 15:43, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC))
- You know, these with thousands of listeners are commercial radiostations. As far as indie radios go, they couldn't be much more popular than rkol. However I was not talking about popularity here. You could have a bland dj-less top 40 radiostation, and it could be very popular. Or you could have an adfree radiostation with ~20 djs, each having his/her own unique personality, working for free, playing music that you won't hear anywhere else. Which of these deserves an article more? Grue 18:15, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- See [1], theres a lot there with five times or more the listeners of Radio KoL. To my knowledge, only stations like Digitally Imported deserve an article. Thats on Wikipedia and it is one of few that deserve inclusion. If this survives theres no way you can VfD any station with more than 120 listeners, which is just above what KoL had when I checked last night. Hedley 17:18, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect. Not inherently notable. -Sean Curtin 22:18, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect. Meelar (talk) 22:19, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect to where? You don't have to be a Kingdom of Loathing player to listen to this radiostation, which is notable by itself, and is independent from the Kingdom of Loathing creators. Grue 06:06, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Does the delete include the presenters that have pages? Things such as Inari-chan feel more like vanity pages, and I don't feel that they are notable. - Estel (talk) 13:04, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
- Most of them are already listed. Since this one wasn't linked from the main page, it slipped through. Grue 14:08, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- I think this situation should be handled in the same way that any other article would. It is possible that someone might search of the phrase "Radio KoL". Would this search go to the appropriate page if it was merged with the "Kingdom of Loathing" page? If so, maybe they should be merged. yawgm8th
- Keep but needs revision. RKoL is unique. I don't really feel that comparisons to other streaming radio stations is fair, since it's not remarkable for being a radio station, but rather for being the only MMO-related, player run station. It's like comparing Koeberg to a lot of the US reactors. The only reason Koeberg has an article while they don't is because Koeberg is South Africa's only commercial Nuke power plant. Same with RKoL, it's the only MMO station. And yes I am a South African KoL player Synkronos 13:09, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
- (Above user has 10 edits, of which 5 are to the KoL page.) Being the only commercial nuclear power station in South Africa is a convergence of three general qualities - there are loads of commercial power stations, loads of nuclear power stations, and loads of power stations in South Africa, but only one which is all three. "MMORPG-connected", however, is verging on the trivial. OK, there are lots of radio stations, and lots of Internet sites. Most netradio operations are run by amateurs with no experience of broadcasting for real, so "player-run" doesn't really say anything. But while there are lots of MMORPGs, there are few things which you can say are MMORPG-related. It's like saying I'm notable for being the only DJ on my small station to recycle TV presentation elements from the 1980s on a music quiz show (which I do, to great effect). 131.251.0.8 15:28, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
(This is me forgetting to sign in first. Chris 15:36, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC))
- Keep and possibly merge. I have edited the entry at great length - and yes, this is the first time I've contributed to Wikipedia, but hopefully that does not count against me in some nebulous manner, considering the point of a wiki is for people with knowledge of an article to edit it. Hopefully the new entry describes the uniqueness of the station a bit better. That being said, I don't believe there's a problem with making it a sub-section of Kingdom of Loathing as long as that does not obstruct a search for Radio KoL - and the personality pages that have popped up should definitely be sub-sections of Radio KoL. Haplo3k 15:44, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)