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The majority of the Computer Usage section seems to violate WP:Manual. The majority of the section is a how-to about inserting the symbols on various keyboards. It was helpful to me after a quick Google search, but nevertheless, it doesn't belong here in my opinion. Mrytzkalmyr (talk) 00:32, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, it seems I don't know how to link Wikipedia guidelines. My link was supposed to be to What Wikipedia is Not and the manual, guidebook, textbook, scientific journal section. Mrytzkalmyr (talk) 00:35, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The shortcut is given at the sidebox at each policy, in this case it's WP:NOTMANUAL. Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a manual, guidebook, textbook, or scientific journal works so it is not obvious why your version doesn't! So does WP:manual. I still can't see why yours doesn't, it must be something you said ;-)

But to come back to your main point, I agree. We have an article Unicode input for that. But at other similar articles, enough people seem to believe it useful that there is no consensus in favour of deletion. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 12:56, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the articles on any non-ASCII letters or symbols have info on how to type them on various operating systems and keyboards. However I agree that the current wording is ridiculously long and convoluted. For instance it goes into details about how to make the AltGr key work on Windows and the fact that the key used is marked "Alt", all of that is ignored mostly, code just says "type AltGr+!". This should be shortened to a table, which also reveals the fact that the shortcuts are pretty much the same (somthing+! and something+?) on all systems.Spitzak (talk) 17:30, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]