Talk:Deprogramming

This article is biased

I just happened upon it, and found it extremely one-sided: from the article itself and this discussion page, the article is clearly one person's attempt to smear and destroy the concept of 'cult' to eliminate it as a threat to their own religious beliefs. Furthermore, by linking to this from other articles, the credibility of those articles is severely compromised, nullifying the painstaking efforts of many people at presenting knowledge backed by hard facts and/or careful thought -- both of which are glaringly missing in this article. (— Preceding comment added by 17:06, 16 June 2005‎ 198.147.225.60) (tag added by 108.83.116.234 (talk) 00:50, 4 November 2022 (UTC))

I agree with this editor. In reading this article, it seemed to be very strongly that the tone of this article inappropriately advocated one side of the debate (the person who feels that the label "cult" threatens their religion) over the other, and the article needs a major rewrite with respect to its tone. --Kuzaar^-T-C- 13:46, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

There is a definition for cults, the BITE model, which is a pretty nice way of encapsulating it and showing how they work, no matter the religion or beliefs, also applying to politics and other subjects. I am sure the author did it on ill intent, but since the article is still biased in 2022, I highly doubt someone will do something, perhaps the bias comes from the original author and somehow it cannot be changed. In the end, I agree with you, the person did it because they felt threatened somehow. Gabriel Gomes Almeida (talk) 23:49, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

I agree, I read this and it sounds like it was edited by a cult member in order to discourage deprogramming and even labelling cults as such. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.42.90.78 (talk) 07:19, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Absolutely agreed. This article is garbage, and needs to be comprehensively rewritten or removed altogeher. 125.253.30.206 (talk) 10:25, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

This article needs corrected by credentialed professionals and replaced immediately. 75.162.179.15 (talk) 16:14, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

This article was written 21 years ago by a weird religious conservative looking to shape thought around the response to new religious movements and who regularly removed content incompatible with his perspective for 11 years, and 10 years later most of the base he set up has been maintained in essentially the same shape it was then. It's past time for an overhaul by someone with expertise on the subject. Rurfs (talk) 09:34, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

I agree with you, but then, what defines a cult?

It is a central point to the debate, since if we cannot agree in a definition, what can we do?

I suggest using the BITE model as a base, but I would be more than happy to see your input in this. Gabriel Gomes Almeida (talk) 02:04, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

After some searching, what do you think of this paper? The observations are good and we can direct it to a more productive end;

https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/abs/10.1176/ajp.136.3.279 Gabriel Gomes Almeida (talk) 02:38, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

I know what you’re thinking

You’re thinking “This user doesn’t know what I’m thinking.”

With that out of the way, the previous accusations of bias in this discussion thread should be preserved. The entire chain of discussion of bias is part of the topic related to deprogramming.

We must accept the fact that the media is mind control. It may not be controlling your mind but it can certainly control the mind of other people. However deprogramming can be safely achieved, that should be the common goal.

- a messenger 2600:1700:1150:84C0:F5F7:4DB9:9142:BB51 (talk) 06:45, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Psychiatry is a legal form of Cult Deprogramming

think about it:

• they claim you are "crazy and dangerous" to justify their force
• they use force to remove you from your everyday environment (because "your environment is a bad influence")
• they use force to imprison you in their world (because "their environment is a good influence")
• they use force to give you their "medicine" (because "their medicine is a good influence")
• all this is funded by the prisoner's "health insurance", which pays about 500 USD per day per prisoner, so of course, this "treatment" takes some weeks or months, while the doctors have practically zero work

source: i have been to jail for 3 years, and to psychiatry for about 1 year. jail is better than psychiatry: in jail, you have a clear date for your release, and you can refuse all cooperation and have your privacy. in psychiatry, you have no date for your release, you must cooperate (take their "medicine") to be released. so the mainstream culture is just another cult, using force to keep its slaves. that's why we have forced schooling.

related article: Political abuse of psychiatry Milahu (talk) 08:24, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Trauma Releasing Exercises are a form of Cult Deprogramming

Trauma Releasing Exercises (TRE) by David Berceli

related articles: Tremor, Quakers (aka "shakers"), Bradford Keeney (Shaking medicine), Somatic experiencing (Peter A. Levine), Ecstatic dance, Runner's high, ... (its revealing that wikipedia has no articles on these "alternative medicine" topics... all hail the cult of big pharma!)

this association assumes that cults use Psychological trauma to imprison their slaves.

Psychological trauma is an emotional response caused by severe distressing events such as accidents, violence, sexual assault, terror, or sensory overload.

in every cult, there are people who want to escape. this "want to escape" starts early in childhood, where it is counteracted by punishment = by creating psychological trauma.

Sigmund Freud's Psychoanalysis always blames "some childhood trauma" for "neurotic" behavior in adults, instead of fixing the child education, to prevent the creation of that trauma in the first place = radical solution.

the cult slaves are expected to use their body only for working, not for sports, not for fighting, not for pleasure. all problems should be solved peacefully and intellectually ("let us talk..."). because the cult leaders know: if the slaves make too much use of their body (shaking medicine), the slaves would escape.

also related: Slave morality is another word for Cult, because the Public opinion of every cult is a form of slave morality (beautiful lies), and hard truths (red pills) are hidden as master morality. Milahu (talk) 09:06, 15 October 2023 (UTC)