Talk:Science and technology in Israel/Archive 1

Archive 1

POV

very pov article. every sentence is just gushing with praise for israeli technology.

But is that not what this article is about.

• Indeed, comparing to Science and technology in China or Brazilian science and technology, this is pretty gushy. Probably the best thing to do is instead of saying, "Israel has a high reputation in..." is to actually list specific contributions or elements which contribute to its reputation. Alternatively, we could find surveys which rank the top countries with regard to innovation in certain fields, or more concretely, top institutions, and say specifically where Israel falls in the rankings, rather than using vague and somewhat subjective superlatives. -- Beland 02:23, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

the full list of contributions cannot be listed, and listing the major ones is problematic as you have to choose what a major invention is. i beleive the correct aproach whould be statistics, comparison, and maybe one or two examples.

Specific Statistic

I remember seeing an article in the Times that talked about research around the world, they had a bar graph that said that Israel is #1 technology exporting per capita country in the world. This was now a couple of years ago, but I think we should write in the article that in that particular year, Israel was #1 research per capita exporting. Does anyone know where to find that Times article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by JanTervel (talk • contribs) 06:55, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Lists

I'm not sure this article should be bogged down with lists of companies. Better to have links to the articles about these companies in the body of the text, explaining their contribution. Any thoughts?--Gilabrand (talk) 07:27, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Agree. Let's mention the companies in the relevant sections in the text and delete them from the lists so that the lists can be eliminated. -- Chefallen (talk) 07:42, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Issues with the article (pre-GAR comments)

Like I said on WT:Israel, the article is a good collaboration between Gilabrand and Chefallen, and I applaud them for their effort in improving an actually important article for WP Israel. Having said that, I have found the following major issues with the article (other than copyright problems) that, IMO, make it non-GA-worthy at this point:

1. The structure and style is lacking—i.e. the history section begins with "The foundations of agricultural research in Israel were laid ..." → requires at least a basic explanation about how the first major leaps in science and technology in Israel were agriculture-related, i.e. how the sentence is relevant to the article's topic. An example of how to do this right comes in the Environmental science section.
2. To expand on the above, there are a number of very short sections and paragraphs in the article, which in some places are little more than lists of loosely-related accomplishments. See for example Computer engineering section. In addition there is an actual list (companies), something that doesn't belong in a GA.
3. The formatting of the article is terrible (ref formatting, spacing, etc.). I might help with that if time allows.
4. Some sections which are fairly important lack content/depth. For instance, the Scientific institutions section only lists the institutions, without elaborating on what they are known. Surely universities are not the only scientific institutions in Israel, and not the only bodies that do research.

I look forward to seeing the article grow and improve further! —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 00:18, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Also needed is to add information about the numbers and qualifications of personell engaged in this area, and note the impact of Russian immigration (due to the high proportion of those immigrants who are doctors, scientists, and engineers) and the military, particularly as these contributed to advancements in various scientific fields, especially computer technologies. -- Chefallen (talk) 17:30, 23 December 2009 (UTC)