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long list fire fox and opera

I fail to see the point in having such a long list for firefox and opera. But can't be bothered deciding which ones to delete. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.232.51.243 (talk) 22:43, 14 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

I removed many Firefox and Opera UA strings, mostly where there were several UA strings for the same version, and old beta and release candidate versions. I tried to keep variety in hardware and operating systems. Feel free to put one or two back if I did remove some important variety. -- Schapel 04:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lists

Something needs to be done about these lists. It's unencyclopedic to have "non-list articles that are overrun with laundry lists. As a rule of thumb, if more than about 30% of a non-list article consists of a laundry list, it may be a problem." In this article, it's a problem. (Narkstraws 22:49, 22 February 2007 (UTC))[reply]

OK, would a separate article with just a list of user agent strings be appropriate? I was extremely disappointed to come here today and find that great resource (the most excellent list of strings) GONE. It was the best resource out there. --angrykeyboarder (a/k/a:Scott) 00:55, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

They are incredibly useful for testing web links, though. Perhaps much of the list could be moved into Wikipedia namespace. –EdC 23:11, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think the huge lists should not be included in this article, especially under a section labeled "Example user-agent strings." IMO, this section would be better off showing just a few select strings to get the general idea of a user agent. However, I must agree that this list is extremely useful, and I'd hate to see it disappear. Rktur 01:33, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can understand why the list was removed fom this article (as previously discussed), but that list was incredibly useful. Does it still exist anyplace in Wikipedia?

This great list has now been deleted and replaced with an uglier much less useful list. As far as i can tell there is no suitable alternative on the internet. Great... - meconomy 5/1/2007

There's an regularly updated list at user-agents.org, so I put a link to that in the article. That's the best list I've been able to find; the last update was two days ago, and there's an organized way to update it. I also reorganized the external links into three sections, and took out some of the less relevant links. We still have too many links to "click here to see your user-agent" sites, though. --John Nagle 02:22, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

After searching that site, I found far fewer Firefox User-Agents than had been listed here (thankfully, those us us in the know, can check history - at least that's still around).

I did not see how any visitor could update the list on that site either. --angrykeyboarder (a/k/a:Scott) 11:51, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you need the list so badly, why don't you copy it from the history: [1] and then put it up on the web somewhere. Also I didn't remove the list, I just think it doesn't belong. (Narkstraws 19:32, 25 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Yes, perhaps on a blog or a wiki or something... —Ryan (talk) 10:59, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to see a small list, say Opera, FireFox, IE and Safari. 203.129.33.32 (talk) 01:34, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This article becomes less useful with each edit

I just don't get it. --angrykeyboarder (a/k/a:Scott) 11:51, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

arbitrary string

What happens if you just set your user agent to be a message like "Hello World"? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.189.98.44 (talk) 23:07, 2 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

If you do that you will get blocked by sites that use automated software to block bad web robots. Many blogs may also block you because you will look like a spam bot.(4.231.129.11 (talk) 00:36, 23 March 2010 (UTC))[reply]

Web servers won't know which browser you are actually using and may not send you the version of the site that you would otherwise see. Stats for that site will also be off. For example, it appears to cause Google Maps not to show you satellite photos. Jason McHuff 21:45, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A cute user agent bug: if the site has a Coyote Point load balancer, and you send a USER-AGENT string ending in "m" but with no earlier "m" in the string, and the USER-AGENT field is the last field in the HTTP header, it drops the packet. Even fails on Coyote Point's own site. The thing parses HTTP headers with regular expressions, and one of the built-in regular expressions seems to be broken. I'll bet someone wrote "\m" where they wanted "\n". Took me two days and a Python program that tried a huge range of USER-AGENT strings to diagnose that problem. --John Nagle 21:01, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think I just found the different-pages-for-different-user agents that takes the cake--if you go to a page on http://www.ngm.com/ with a blank user agent, you'll get sent to Network Solutions' site. I was really thinking that the ngm.com domain registration had lapsed. Oh, and another example would be that Java will not work right in Mozilla Firefox without the correct UA, an issue that has been around for YEARS (SINCE 2001!) Jason McHuff 08:26, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

bad JavaScript

This article contains the sentence:

"However, out-dated JavaScript, which effectively locks out browsers other than Explorer or Navigator, is still in use - especially on smaller, non-corporate, websites."

I totally agree with the first part of this sentence, regarding JavaScript, but it ought to be sourced. However, the part about "especially on smaller, non-corporate, websites" is totally POV, and I intend to remove it (based on my experience that it is actually larger websites that malfunction on non-Windows-based computers). 68.49.208.76 03:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is NPOV, the W3C has declaird Useragent sniffing to be a bad javascript practice. Developers should instead use Browser capabilities testing. I think if a standards organization like W3C says it's a bad practice, it's a bad practice. However, I do conceed that while the content was not NPOV, the phrasing could use a little correction before being reentered into the article. --Robert Wm "Ruedii" (talk) 08:32, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Google Chrome

Chrome is taking it to a new level: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/525.13 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/0.2.149.27 Safari/525.13 —Preceding unsigned comment added by SmilingBoy (talk • contribs) 17:22, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Edit on 13:51, 20 October 2008

The export restrictions were "effectively eliminated" in 1996 whereas the first version of Opera was released first in 1997. Sources are http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography#PC_era and http://www.opera.com/company/about/milestones/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.27.90.194 (talk) 13:55, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Clarity

This article isn't very clear about what a user agent is... -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 19:35, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Can the removal of my clearer introduction text please be justified properly? A user agent and a user agent string are generally used interchangeably... -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 21:56, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That is clearly sloppy usage, a UA is foremost the application or software component, the article now properly delineates the identification as well. Kbrose (talk) 21:59, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. I've moved the redirect User agent string to point at the User agent identification section. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:03, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that the majority of this article is about User agent identification in computer protocols. Only the lead section talks about a UA being a software program. The rest (identification, string format, spoofing, sniffing, and encryption sections) are all subtopics of identification, and in these sections the term user agent is actually used to mean the “User-Agent” header field, rather than the software program itself. Perhaps it would be better to turn the article “inside-out” or inverted so the article name is identification, with just one section defining what a user agent program is? Vadmium (talk) 05:12, 2 August 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Crypto Strength Token

This will be removed in Firefox in version 4.0 (see bug 572668).

This is also apparently going to be removed in IE 9, if it hasn't been in IE 8 - maybe it should be noted somewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RyanJones (talk • contribs) 22:55, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Most of this article is really about the "UserAgent" in HTTP

Most of this article talks about the piece of software that acts as a client in a HTTP transaction, and how it is identified by the UserAgent header in a HTTP request.

In general, a "User Agent" is a software agent that acts on the behalf of a user, and (usually) with the user present (since otherwise, if there is no user, it would just be an Agent.)

However, in the case of a web browser talking to a web server, the client is the user agent, and the term has blurred in usage, even though many other protocol standards use the terms closer to their original meaning. (E.g., a MUA is a Mail User Agent).

Masinter (talk) 06:52, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely right. User agent should be a redirect to web browser (perhaps to a section that details the priority of constituencies), and this page be left to describe the HTTP header. -- C. A. Russell (talk) 15:19, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, done. I just make dozens of changes in this vein, including adding appropriate hatnotes to the user agent (read Web browser) article and this one (newly renamed to User-Agent header). -- C. A. Russell (talk) 16:15, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Some xx.wp references

Martijn Koster, no article, now of historical, see ALIWEB, EI*Net?. PS: what's Bad English? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.2.173.189 (talk) 18:59, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

User-Agent Sniffing is considered non-standard according to W3C

User-Agent Sniffing is considered non-compliant according to w3c standards. Should we not mention this, be it in a NPOV way. --Robert Wm "Ruedii" (talk) 08:33, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot find this in the W3C standards. Are you referring to this page from the W3C Web Education Community Group Wiki? --Guy Macon (talk) 18:54, 28 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Security implications

I have long thought that whilst a website may need to know what browser is in use for the sake of page layout issues, there is little justification for disclosing what OS the browser is running on. Doing so increases the risk of a compromised website being able to take control of the visitor's computer by way of a known vulnerability. The end of support for Windows XP has highlighted this issue, though it's one which has existed for many years. Basically, the Internet is a hostile environment, and the less you tell a potential crook about you, either by UA or scripting, the better. --Anteaus (talk) 08:19, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

User Agent Switcher is your friend. --Guy Macon (talk) 19:44, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes there are several ways to stop the OS being reported. However, the more pertinent question is whether it should be reported without the user's permission, after all it could be seen as an unwarranted disclosure of private data. --Anteaus (talk) 21:23, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Anotherbigal (talk) 12:16, 10 June 2016 (UTC)== Make it clearer for non technical user ==[reply]

I presume to someone with technical knowledge this article make a lot of sense. The discussion on this 'Talk' page seems to support that. However, what the main page fails to do, at least to me it fails to do, is explain to the non technical 'average' viewer exactly what a 'User Agent' is used for, why someone would want to use one and in what circumstances the use of a 'User Agent' would be beneficial and why. Just a clear, everyday paragraph for the average computer user. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anotherbigal (talk • contribs) 12:15, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. I just edited the lead paragraph too try to make it clearer. Please let me know if that helped. --Guy Macon (talk) 13:35, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the edit. That makes it a lot clearer and I now understand more. Anotherbigal (talk) 14:07, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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