Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting/Naming conventions/Redraft2

Proposed improvements in this redrafting phase

Below are the proposed improvements (so far) saved from Redraft Phase 1 (either from the document itself - most of these are identified by HTML comments in the current draft, as of this writing), or from Redraft1's talk page. Feel free to add more, or to strike any out if they are controversial to you in any way, in which case it would probably be better for us to defer them for debate in Phase 3.

Rename document "Naming conventions" per previous discussion; create new shortcut to WP:WSS/NC, but preserve the old NG one as well.
Rename "major component" and "subdivisional" component to something more intuitive. Initial suggestion: major ⇒ basic, and subdivisional ⇒ topical. Conforming edits might need to be made to Wikipedia:Overcategorization.
Strongly discourage the creation of new high-level stubs (i.e. "major components") without WSS/P consensus. I.e. prevent things like "1ps-stub", "Nintendo-1ps-stub", etc., for first-person shooter videogames. This is actually mentioned in two of the HTML comments.
Fill in 2 examples, presently marked with "EXAMPLE HERE".
Complete the list of major components, and change the wording in that section to no longer say it is incomplete.
Update the "subdivisional" component section to no longer say it is "mostly geographical"; this hasn't been true for a while. Should still mention it of course, as one of several examples of subdivisional/topical component types/hierarchies.
Clarify whether abbreviation, acronymization, "squishing" and/or cominbations thereof are generally encouraged or deprecated. Requires a consensus discussion as to how to proceed.
Actively discourage the creation of new acronymic stub template names, so that the list of them in this naming conventions document doesn't have to keep growing. (Part of consensus discussion just mentioned).
Clarify that diacritics are (usally? or always?) dropped in stub template names. Requires a consensus discussion as to how to proceed.
Rename templates so that this mess can be simplified: *Taiwan, or ROC (or RoC, or Roc) - Republic of China (Taiwan, Chinese Taipei)
Ditto: **Czech (or Cz) - Czech Republic/Czechia
Ditto: *NZ (or Kiwi) - New Zealand
Drastically clarify the "Stub template redirects" section to make it clear when they are appropriate and when not. Requires a consensus discussion as to how to proceed.
Ensure that the "Abbreviations" section under "Categories" gibes with what WP:CFD has to say on the matter, and defer to CfD's preferences on the issue.
Add that ambiguous subnational region names should use the form NameDigraph-geo-stub (e.g., PunjabPK-geo-stub, PunjabIN-geo-stub). Also GeorgiaUS-geo-stub? Consensus discussion might be needed here.

That's all I can think of. Please note that I am studiously avoiding anything obviously contentious such as the sport/sports issue. Saving for Phase 3. Phase 2, in my view, should be nothing but patching obvious problems no one is likely to have any objection about.

— SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 04:45, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good. A few thoughts [broken out into separate topics, below.&#93 Grutness...wha? 07:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Diacritics

Diacritics are not used for the templates themselves (not all browsers can handle them). I think they may be used for some redirects. Grutness...wha? 07:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Two reactions: a) Given that this is en.wikipedia.org and English doesn't use diacritics at all anymore since the effective demise of rôle and coöperate, why not just nuke them all since we're abbreviating and stuff anyway; and b) (contrariwise) if we're to keep some of them, the redir section should explain why and make it plain why/when/where such exceptions are made. I lean strongly toward version A. These aren't article titles, they are stub template names and we are already (I think) agreeing they are a bit shorthand when warranted. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 10:44, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Acronym redirects

The oddly named redirects (RoC, kiwi, Cz) are slowly dwindling in usage - a bot can probably remove the remainder of pages which use them. One of the RoC variants might be worth keeping, the others can probably be deleted without much concern. Grutness...wha? 07:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll be quite happy to AWB my butt off and just get rid of them all. I could live with a short list of exceptions (UK, US, etc.), but a list of exceptions that have exceptions is more recursion than we should have to deal with. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 10:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Geographic disambiguation

The SubregionDiacritical-geo-stub is pretty standard (there are several others that use them: LimburgNL-geo-stub and CanterburyNZ-geo-stub are two I can think of). It may be worth noting though that GeorgiaUS-geo-stub is for the subnational region but - since it is a sovereign nation - Georgia-geo-stub doesn't use one. Grutness...wha? 07:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Acronym/abbrev. stub names

My personal opinion on acronyms and abbreviations is that if the acronym or abbreviation leads to a WP article on a subject, then it's fine. if it leads to a disambiguation page, then it isn't. For example - BBC-stub is fine, since BBC is a redirect to British Broadcasting Corporation; BA-stub is not fine, since BA is a disambiguation page. Grutness...wha? 07:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]