Talk:Welsh devolution

Welsh devolution is currently a Politics and government good article nominee. Nominated by Titus Gold (talk) at 02:35, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

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Roman history is not relevant to devolution

An era before any inkling of Welsh identity existed, or any notion of sovereign states as we know them today (states by/from which devolution is granted), is irrelevant; I don't believe you'll find any serious sources linking Roman history to devolution. It's WP:SYNTH. @TG11TG15: I've already removed it once with an explanatory edit summary, please don't restore it again. Jr8825 • Talk 19:08, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with this. Looking at sources, we should only really talk about pre-19thC history in summary to establish Wales' legal and cultural relationship to Wales.Vladimir.copic (talk) 22:13, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would argue that Magnus Maximus devolved the command of northern celtic Briton (prehistoric Wales) to Coel Hen prior to 383. I cited this also. Please have a read about this devolvement and let me know what you think after re-considering. Thank you. TG11TG15 (talk) 20:19, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This article is really about a specific thing, in my opinion, 19th-21st century devolution of governance from the United Kingdom/England. We are stretching the scope of the article too far to include Roman era local governance. As I said above, and is reflected in most sources, pre-19th century history is only given to establish Wales' relationship to England. Vladimir.copic (talk) 23:00, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. I'll stick to devolution following the Staute of Rhuddlan. TG11TG15 (talk) 23:55, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Copyvio of Senedd website

This still isn't fully fixed, as Earwig's copyvio detector result shows. I don't have time to reword the sections tonight myself, if nobody gets round to it I'll try to resolve the last offending sections tomorrow. Jr8825 • Talk 19:21, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I re-worded when I added but clearly not quite enough. Some is technical legal language which is difficult to change. I've come back to it. If you could point out specific subheadings to re-word better that would be helpful. Thanks TG11TG15 (talk) 20:21, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cymru Fydd & David Lloyd George

Just FYI - Removed previous, unreferenced content. - Copied and adapted content (from David Lloyd George page) that I wrote myself, so no need for additional citation. TG11TG15 (talk) 22:32, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Splitting Page into: "History of Welsh devolution" and "Proposed further Welsh devolution"

I was considering splitting this page into "History of Welsh devolution" and "Proposed further Welsh devolution" because the page is now quite long. I was wondering if anyone else agrees with this or supports keeping the page as it is?? ThanksTitus Gold (talk) 01:08, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Titus Gold, in my opinion, I don't think those two new articles need to be made. The proposed devolution section could be moved to list of devolved matters in Wales under a "proposed matters" section, with a short summary here (I guess just a list with a sentence for each). Although that article you made has been nominated for deletion. The constitutional reform section (federalism and confederalism) can be shortened to just a sentence as they have their own articles, with the Independent Commission moved to the history section (alongside the other commissions). The history section should largely remain, the day-to-day affairs of devolution are not really mentioned in this article as that is for the devolved bodies articles' so this article is largely for the history anyway. Before your move, Scottish devolution (a similar article) was originally titled as History of Scottish devolution. Although the history section can benefit from some copyediting and some summarising. Many Thanks Dank Jae 12:05, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your input. Will leave the pages as they are. Titus Gold (talk) 13:41, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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