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Disagreement about primary topic and disambiguation page

I was checking the most visited pages on wikipedia here and it turns out this article is the most viewed. I honestly doubt that all these people visiting are expecting to see an article about an island on Indonesia. I assume they are looking for the Java (programming language). Don't you think that this "Java" article should by default be about the programming language? 201.54.129.39 (talk) 20:25, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I just noticed there is a huge discussion above about this same issue. How can you possibly oppose that? Java is literally the most popular article on wikipedia and I honestly doubt all these people are interested in the island. Much bigger islands or countries have a much higher population and yet they don't have nearly as many views. It is obvious that not so many people are interested in the island, and the people who live in the island will check wikipedia on their language, not the english wikipedia 201.54.129.39 (talk) 20:33, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If we googling by keywords Wikipedia Java, so in the first found is Java (programming language) and the second found is Java: Java is an island of Indonesia. With a population of over 141 million. So, one Java Island population is greater than a whole Japan Country population. Means people can choose which one will be read without any doubt.Gsarwa (talk) 06:28, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think that Java should be disambiguation page, instead of being an article for an island or a programming language. Hddty. (talk) 03:07, 1 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hello. I also think that Java should be a disambiguation page because the island is not the primary topic. Java should be moved to Java (island). Java is not neccesarily the most likely to be intended.
HappyMouse2 (talk) 03:50, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have changed the section topic to "disagreement about primary topic and disambiguation page". HappyMouse2 (talk) 03:53, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@HappyMouse2: We have discussed such a change regularly, the last time being three months ago here. I agree with you: most of my time on Wikipedia is spent fixing bad links such as "the software is written in Java and C#". However, most editors disagree, and can cite policies and guidelines to back up their opposition. We could raise the matter again in a few years to see whether the mood has changed. Certes (talk) 09:47, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Per Pageview Analysis, it seems that the programming language is the primary topic for the term "Java". Google search results show the language too, and rarely the island (unless I didnt look hard enough). Sure, Java may be historial, but the language has been more important. 2600:1011:B147:9987:E84C:B478:EDED:725 (talk) 19:55, 12 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I also agree, the Java language should be about the programming languageSpidersMilk, Drink Spider Milk, it tastes good. (talk) 17:59, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Java Island area — Wikipedia gives two different figures

Wikipedia gives two conflicting figures for the area of Java Island, one in the opening paragraph of the article, and the other in both the chart in the main body of the article and also in the summary column at the upper right corner of the first page. The figure used by the Encyclopedia Britannica conforms with the figure in the chart and the summary. Cam-m-smith (talk) 04:33, 1 April 2018 (UTC) Cameron Smith (Cam-m-smith)[reply]


Lowercase Google Title

If you google "island of java", the wikipedia listing is lowercase: https://i.imgur.com/pG9Vtfq.png — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.208.213.34 (talk) 10:48, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Java

I was asked to write on Talk. I've reinserted the comments. They are relevant. Thanks.113.197.13.138 (talk) 05:59, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You need to explain why additions of "Christmas Island (which belongs to Australia), is about 300 kilometres away." is relevant to the subject, otherwise it'll be reverted. Ckfasdf (talk) 07:04, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Not relevant - please note that continued re-insertion and relevance are not what fits into general editing principles as found in WP:NOT and WP:ABOUT - some editors might consider your insertions as WP:OR in that there are no added WP:RS or rationale - you might as well say that any one location is x miles/kilometres from Z - and add that to articles anywhere on wikipedia - it misses the point. Please either find some very convincing reliable source that actually qualifies in a substantial way as to why the insertion is being repeatedly added - otherwise to do so without adequate and coherent explanation - then stop now, or you will find yourself blocked. Substance is required - that is WP:V - relevance is not part of the vocabulary of editing wikipedia. JarrahTree 07:16, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You were asked to use the talk page to establish (ie, show) that they are relevant, get agreement for your change, then add the content if you get agreement. --Merbabu (talk) 07:29, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I doubt that there will be a consensus in favor of characterizing the location of 138,793.6 km²-sized Java by its distance to a randomly selected 135 km²-sized island. This information remains irrelevant, unless there are reliable sources which verify that those 135 km² are the Navel of the World. –Austronesier (talk) 08:35, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, i can't see how it's relevant. Relevant to Christmas Island maybe, but not to Java. The same way as the proximity to the Eiffel Tower might be relevant to a cafe in Paris, but the cafe is not relevant to the Eiffel Tower.
Currently it's an "is-isn't" edit war between 1 editor and another 5. --Merbabu (talk) 08:56, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Java and Sumatra are mentioned in the Christmas Island article already. Christmas Island also belongs to another country (Australia), so I see no reason to delete my edit. Looking at the map, you will find that it is the only part of Australia which is in close proximity to Java and Sumatra. Just as an example, if Singapore was close to this island, then I would add it here. 113.197.13.138 (talk) 06:57, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, we have already said that Java can be mentioned in the Christmas Island article. But that doesn't mean that we need to mention Christmas Island in the Java article. And, Singapore would be relevant to Java if it was close. But, that doesn't mean that Christmas Island is relevant to Java. Unless you have something new to raise, then I suggest this discussion is exhausted. --08:25, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
So why can't we mention Christmas Island then? It is close to Java. You've just said that we could add Singapore to the article, if Singapore was close. Do you have something against Australia?? 113.197.13.138 (talk) 08:11, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
read the comments above - very carefully, each one - your last question gives the impression that you have not read the comments and the reasoning what makes a valid contribution to wikipedia - if you dont get it, we cannot help much further JarrahTree 08:57, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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