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List of past characters

Following the discussion to amend the usage of "past" to "former", I wanted to open up a discussion on the lists of past characters – specifically Hollyoaks, Emmerdale, EastEnders, Corrie, Neighbours and Home and Away. Since we agreed to use "former" in the character infobox, should the title of the article that it redirects to reflect that change? So, I'm proposing that the six listed articles be moved to "List of former [soap] characters". There would need to be a lot of link changes if the articles were renamed, but these edits could be performed in moments with autowikibrowser, so don't let the idea of a "large edit task" make you oppose the move, since it wouldn't be a large task. Let me know what you think! – DarkGlow (contribs • talk) 13:30, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

There'll be a redirect in place so the links won't need changing straight away, surely? They can be changed if/when editors come across them. - JuneGloom07 Talk 00:33, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, so it's not an urgent task by any means. The only thing that won't work is the landing to a specific section. – DarkGlow (contribs • talk) 01:23, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

@Soaper1234, Raintheone, DaniloDaysOfOurLives, 5 albert square, and AnemoneProjectors: Just pinging some soap editors here to see if we can get a consensus to amend the page titles to former. – DarkGlow (contribs • talk) 15:34, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

We already have the consensus. Just someone needs to make the edits. Unfortunately I can't use AWB on my Chromebook and I don't have enough spare time to do such a big job at the moment.-- 5 albert square (talk) 15:47, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Thanks for the ping. I guess it makes sense for these to match up. The consensus was to use "former" in infoboxes, then we refer to them as "former characters". How many pages would need to be moved? — 🌼📽️AnemoneProjectors💬 15:55, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

@AnemoneProjectors: That's okay! The "past" pages are Hollyoaks, Emmerdale, EastEnders, Corrie, Neighbours and Home and Away. As June pointed out, the redirects that would be created will mean that it will redirect to the correct article, but the piping will break that leads a user to "Last appeared in 2017", for example. – DarkGlow (contribs • talk) 16:21, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

I was under the impression that section anchors still work with redirects. For example, check out this link: Albert Square#Turpin Road. Albert Square is a redirect to Walford#Albert Square but that link still takes you to the Turpin Road section. So the links won't be broken. So we would just need to do 6 page moves and the rest should be fine. Unless it breaks in certain browsers? But it's fine in mine. I could do some work in AWB though. I just reinstalled it yesterday! — 🌼📽️AnemoneProjectors💬 16:51, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

@AnemoneProjectors: Oh! I believed it broke anchored redirects. Glad to be wrong since it means less work! I guess, like 5 albert square said, we have the consensus that "former" is preferred to "past", so I can perform the moves now? – DarkGlow (contribs • talk) 17:38, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

@DarkGlow: I don't see why not. The only pages you should need to edit are navigation templates, the rest can be left as redirects, at least for now. However, see the reply I'm about to put to you on my talk page. — 🌼📽️AnemoneProjectors💬 17:56, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

2020

An issue has arose on List of General Hospital cast members. Some actors did not appear in 2020 due to covid and have reappeared this year, so I change the duration to say "xxxx–2019, 2021" as to say that they have appeared since xxxx is a lie, as they have not appeared in 2020. To a reader this assumes that the character has appeared in 2020, when they have not. MOS specifically says to include the years that the character/actor appeared onscreen, not if they were on contract etc. The cast and character lists for years have been about whether the actor/cast member has appeared in that year, and since they didn't appear in 2020, they should not be counted – and I am not doing this to be mean of course, it is simply because if this was a rule, this would mean that A LOT of characters/cast members would have their durations shortened. And durations are speficially there so say whether the person in question appeared on screen that year, and I don't think it should be changed just due to covid DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 23:47, 6 April 2021 (UTC)