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Ik Onkar literal meaning One supreme Reality

Literally the meaning of Ik Onkar is one supreme reality. Ek Om maker is a non-literal meaning. MehmoodS (talk) 23:01, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ik Onkar composed of Ik and Onkar literally translates to One within many Indian languages and Onkar translates to Om Maker. On or Oaang is a slight variation of the orthography of the word Om (supported by many claims) and Kar is a suffix meaning the creator or doer. Kar is also a verb suggesting doing or creating. If you look at pages like Jaish e Mohammed, Hezbollah, Lakshar e Taiba, the article mentions the literal translation of these names (Party of God, Army of Righteousness etc). For example Hezbollah is a composite of Hezb meaning party and allah meaning god. Similarly Ik Onkar's literal translation is One Om maker. Saying that Ik Onkar denoted the supreme reality is not the literal translation of the word, it is an exposition or elaboration of the word. I have already explained to that the onkar is derived and a variation of the orthography of the sanskrit word "omkara" meaning om maker, the exposition to that word means the supreme reality or the absolute reality, but it is not the literal translation Suthasianhistorian8 (talk) 23:39, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You should have had this discussion before violating edit warring policy. But one again, like I mentioned earlier, you are failing to understand the difference between literal and non-literal. Om Maker is not literal meaning and is rather non-literal and figurative. In plain english the definition of Ik Onkar is well defined as One Supreme reality. OmMaker is figuratively explained in the other section of the article. MehmoodS (talk) 23:36, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As soon as you sent me a warning for edit warring, I followed protocols and went on the talk page and even replied to your personal messages. Moreover, I was reverting your vandalism of the page and removing of sources Suthasianhistorian8 (talk) 23:46, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Moreover you claim I broke 3RR, however you reverted the article the same number of times I did, you also reverted/undid revisions on the article 3 times, the same number of times I did Suthasianhistorian8 (talk) 00:06, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring - 4 or more edits which you continued to make even after the warning. Thank you. MehmoodS (talk) 00:25, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, when you sent the warning, I was only 2 reverts in. Look at the history again, and moreover adding a source is not a violation of the 3RR Suthasianhistorian8 (talk) 00:38, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Moreover, you were vandalizing the page and removing reliable sources which is a violation Suthasianhistorian8 (talk) 00:39, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That is not how it works. You continued to make edits and even added unreliable sources which do not support your change and above all when already made clear that their is dispute. I think you need to relook again at the time of the first warning sent and the edits you made before and after. Leave it on admin to investigate. MehmoodS (talk) 00:48, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dogra, Ramesh Chander, and Gobind Singh Mansukhani. Encyclopaedia of Sikh Religion and Culture. pp 138–39: "Ek-Omkār / Ik-Omkār / Ekankār It is from the Sanskrit word Omkar.

McLeod, W. H. 2005. Historical Dictionary of Sikhism (2nd ed.), Lanham, MD: Scarecrow. p. 97: 'Oankar' is actually a cognate of “Om” and can carry the same mystical meaning.

Wazir Singh (1969), Guru Nanak's philosophy, Journal of Religious Studies, Vol. 1, Issue 1, page 56:  Onkar is, according to Wazir Singh, a "variation of Om (Aum) of the ancient Indian scriptures (with a slight change in its orthography), implying the seed-force that evolves as the universe

The literal breakdown of the word Onkar is the composite of On/Ooang (cognate or variation of the spelling of OM) and Kar which means Maker.

MehmoodS is misunderstanding what's going on; he's not understanding that I'm merely providing a literal translation of the word Onkar, and not delving into the exposition or meaning behind it. For example, go on to the wikipedia page of Hezbollah and it will say in the very begininng, "literally Party of God". It doesn't mean that Hezbollah is literally a party of God, but that the translation of the word Hezbollah is Party of God. Similarily, the meaning of Onkar is One Reality/ One Absolute, but the translation/breakdown of the word Onkar means One Om Maker. MehmoodS, please dont delete this section without my permission, like you deleted the previous section where I provided the bulk of my explanation. Suthasianhistorian8 (talk) 19:30, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]