Talk:Tithe/Archive 1

Archive 1

Extern Links

I just started looking at some of the external links. They were all dumped in at once by an anonymous user (24.236.198.191) and all seem to be anti-tithing. While everyone is entitled to their views, I don't think just giving out anti-views is a good approach to NPOV. Sorry I didn't have the time to check them all out, but can someone please look at them and do some, er, trimming? At the very least, if someone has some pro-tithing links, please add them! That way we could have two sections in the links, clearly marked as "Pro" and "Anti" (or "Con"). Thanks! —Frecklefoot 22:31, 29 Jan 2004 (UTC)

This thread is quite old but all of the links in this section are very much opposed to the practice of tithing. Although it may be useful to include POV links in an article in an attempt to show the source of controversy, it seems like we are unbalanced here. I can add a link to the LDS Church teachings on tithing, since it is practiced, but that can cause its own problems. Anyone care? If not, I think we should just delete the links. billlund 02:54, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

Removed dead links. --Jimbabwean 22:27, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

More on Tithe vs. Taxes

I want to thank DJ Clayworth and Frecklefoot for their help in tidying up my contribution. I had wanted to put the two NT quotes (Matt 23:23 and Lk 11:42) in two columns opposite each other, but I couldn't get it to work -- it it even possible in Wikipedia??? Assistance and advice is always welcome. Regarding the external links: I just left what the original contributor had written, eg. England and Ireland, and his links. I didn't feel comfortable just whacking them. I didn't check them out, but I share your view that if they are too obviously slanted, they probably should be cut out entirely. Were it my article alone, I never would have included them. About the Taxes: in Mesopotamia, they were simply that, "Taxes." My argument in the text is that, set against voluntary contributions, "taxes" makes good sense. I know they went to support the Levites, which is different from the situation in Abraham's homeland. In the original Mesopotamian -- taxes. In the Hebrew situation -- O.K. something like tax-like. Thanks again. 217.88.116.139 18:19, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)Chuck Eypper217.88.116.139 18:19, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC) Bear in mind that the temples throughout the ancient Near East could levy taxes as well as the central government!

Cut the Melchizedek episode?

This long historical background on Melchizedek in the middle of the Tithe page seems inappropriate. I'm not sure who originally created this section, but if they're watching this page, I hope they'll voluntarily reduce it and/or move it to the Melchizedek page. Most of the information is already included on the Melchizedek wiki page, and a simple link to it should suffice. The other information regarding Abraham's tithe to Melchizedek is appropriate and should remain here. I've only been using Wikipedia for a few days, so I'm not sure how this suggestion will be taken, or if it will even be noticed. Funhistory 19:08, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I agree. After reading the episode I don't see how it figures into the concept of tithing directly. (I'm changing my tune from an earlier posting after having read the episode more carefully.) billlund 13:05, May 22, 2005 (UTC)

The anonymous author of this section added something similar to the article in "Melchizdek," which in the mean time has been deleted. Further, the salient points seem to be covered by other sections of the whole article, with more substantiation. I deleted this section as being redundant. billlund 22:46, May 22, 2005 (UTC)

My question is why you're citing to Christian scripture in a section about the Old Testament. Why aren't you citing to Jewish classics like Midrash? 4.249.63.218 (talk) 12:52, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Tithing in the Hebrew Bible

Seems to me that discussion of the Hebrew practice of tithing should mention Deuteronomy 14 and 26, which seem to indicate that the tithe was only given to the Levites every third year. I'm not a Hebrew Bible scholar, but it would be helpful to have some comment on this. Atterlep 18:22, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[Responce to above question: There are three tithes in the Bible. The first tithe went directly to the levites that lived in the local community. The second tithe (collected on years 1, 2, 4, 5 of the sabbatical cycle) was taken to Jerusalem to be eaten there. The third tithe (collected years 3 and 6 of the sabbatical cycle) was given to the poor and widows who lived in the local community.

These practices are clearly explained and defined in the Talmud in various tractates. The main tractates would be tractate Ma'aseroth and tractate Ma'aser Sheni. - Brak]

"finished produce

This term isn't defined in the article. The definition is in Mishnah Peah: "when the pile is smoothed over." Incidentally, this occurs after the poor have been allowed to take the corners of the field, the produce they can eat while they work on it, the gleanings, the poor clusters and single grapes of vines, and part of tree crops like olives, figs, and dates. That is in addition to the poor tithe of years 1, 2, 4, and 5. All of this is in Peah. This article doesn't use enough sources directed to Jewish practice to be really good 4.249.63.218 (talk) 12:52, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

There has been some discussion about a section where the tithing practices of different religions, denominations and sects would be described. The section 'Tithing in the Bible' mentions the tithing beliefs of two groups

1. • Word of Faith
   • LDS

Should these two references be moved to a new section 'Tithing Practices' or 'Current Tithing Beliefs and Practices'?

• Also, the statement 'Despite the widespread preaching of the tithe in many christian churches, very few church members actually consistently contribute 10% or more' is not documented. It should be backed up with link to statistics or removed.
• Also the statement, '(The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints being one possible exception, as members are not considered as being in full fellowship if they do not pay an honest or full tithe)' is not true and I am going to change it. Any suggestions? Hoquiam72 03:30, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I think that the tithe is used to maintain the institution of the church and control the flock through fear.

Remove?

I propose removal of the section Ancient Near East. The section is marked WP:OR since two years, and the scribbler haven't provided any valid secondary source yet. Next agreeing passerby: please remove! Rursus dixit. (^mbork³!) 15:41, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Six months later, some sourced and some deleted as appropriate. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:37, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

First ever Tithe map on Wiki commons

The National Library of Wales have released a high resolution version of the 1840's Newport tithe map to Commons. Perhaps it would be good to include the map/or part of the map in this article. See the full map and high res sections. Thanks Jason.nlw (talk) 16:24, 11 May 2015 (UTC)