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I saw one of these at a bird feeder in Albuquerque, New Mexico in 2001... most likely an escapee. --brian0918  01:37, 31 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Domestication

Are these guys considered domesticated? If so, please add a note to that effect somewhere in the article. (the Domesticated Animals list has, to solve a dispute, decided to only grant "true" domesticated status to things that have the word "domestic" or "domesticated" in their article) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tamtrible (talk • contribs) 06:27, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The pied ones are considered domesticated, and I think that this may apply to some of the other non-wild colorations. The wild, natural coloration is not domesticated. The behavior is quite different, even without any sort of specific training, and it's been discussed on a UK Java sparrow website, but I cannot find the reference at the moment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.56.186.222 (talk) 05:07, 6 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Molecular studies indicate..."

"Molecular phylogeny indicates that this species may have originated in India and dispersed to Africa and Pacific Ocean habitats from there."

This line and the reference it cites has been placed on many articles about estrildid finches but suggests a fundamental misunderstanding that is misleading readers. The clade of estrildid finches *as a whole* first evolved in India and dispersed, hundreds of thousands or more probably several millions of years ago. The specific species such as this one *did not* originate in India and disperse. Their ancestors did.