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Better sources

The sources in this article are terrible, most are either unreliable, or not independent, or both.

As noted in the recent AFD, there are better sources that could be used:

Reposted from the AFD for future reference. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:17, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Some of those aren't that great (Buzzfeed, for example). We should be using scholarly sources from the field of LGBT studies, not articles that may barely be more than blog posts spouting some writer's opinion. Crossroads -talk- 03:44, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sources "from the field of LGBT studies" strikes me as non-independent of the subject. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:45, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
To some extent perhaps, but surprisingly enough the popular media can be at times be even more inclined to exaggerate "queerness" than that field. I haven't looked at all the sources above, but some are like that. Crossroads -talk- 02:56, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Uh... Anachronist, that's not how the independence of sources work. Never do sources about social concepts have to have subjects be disconnected from an academic field, per se, because articles and journal are normally peer-reviewed. But, disregarding that, these are two academic pieces that have the phrase in their headline, are mainly about the topic, and are from academic journals not generally about LGBT issues: [1] and [2] 👨x🐱 (talk) 03:01, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge of Sissy villain into Queer coding

Both of these articles are very short, and a "sissy villain" is the same exact topic as queer coding. We don't do WP:CFORKs. "Sissy villain" is somehow an even more inflammatory title than "queer coding". The former has an oddly high number of non-English sources, so I wonder if translation from another language Wikipedia may be part of the issue. Crossroads -talk- 04:28, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support (both for the merge and for the advancement of LGBTQ+ people). This should be at least be included briefly in the other article to indicate it's another phrase to refer to the subject. Academic sources, books, and other sources use the phrase (sometimes derogatorily) to refer to queer-coded villains, but not nearly as much as they use the phrase queer coding. 👨x🐱 (talk) 02:55, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, although both articles may be related, they are different concepts. While queer coding is an abstract idea, sissy villain refers specifically to a kind of fictional character. And "sissy villain" has its own academic sources in Google Scholar, that can be found in several languages like Portuguese or Spanish. Also, there are other sources like newspapers and other webs in many languages as well. In the other hand, I really cannot see why some find these titles "inflammatory". But anyway, like any other controversial article, these two can contain their specific sections of Critics, adding them with their respective references. --DaddyCell (talk) 10:53, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You created the Sissy Villain article, yes, but it is a subset of this phenomenon, and one of the biggest examples of it. It is just a different term. Crossroads -talk- 04:18, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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