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Bernard Montgomery
Hi - WP:BAREURLS has a heading explaining "What is wrong with bare URLs?". I have invested quite a bit of time getting the article getting the article to B Class some years ago. And that includes properly formatting the urls. Reverting my efforts is really not constructive. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 16:09, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for improving it. Dormskirk (talk) 16:11, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
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Operation Market Garden
Where is the consensus you mentioned? All i saw was a unfinished discussion, with people disagreeing. Then, without citing any sources, an IP on its own, added the information. Per WP:UNSOURCED, "All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution. [...] Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source." Coltsfan (talk) 20:07, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- If you look in the archive you'll find whether Market Garden was a defeat a victory or something in-between has been discussed incessantly. The fact that there's no consensus is why you shouldn't be changing it. I'm not going to revert you again because I'm not getting into a revert war, and I have no particular interest in what it says, but you are not editing in accord with Wikipedia policies. I'm sure you already know that you should be trying to build a consensus, not just reverting good faith edits. The way forward is probably an RfC. --Shimbo (talk) 20:21, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- Can you give me a link to that discussion where this consensus was reached? Cuz in the first archived discussion, there was a lengthy discussion indeed, but no consensus. In the second archived discussion, again, discussed at length, but no consensus. Now, in the current discussion page, the users still don't seem to find a consensus either.
- In short: first, there was never a consensus on the matter. Second, WP:V says any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source, and third, you have the WP:MILMOS#INFOBOX to contend with: "The "result" parameter has often been a source of contention. Particular attention should be given to the advice therein. The infobox does not have the scope to reflect nuances, and should be restricted to "X victory" or "See aftermath" (or similar) where the result was inconclusive or does not otherwise fit with these restrictions..
- Again, if you show me the link where there was a debate and a full-blown consensus was reached, i'd love to see it. Coltsfan (talk) 20:37, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- Mate, you seem to be missing the point. I said there ISN"T a consensus. That's why we need an RfC to build one instead of the result flopping around like it's done for years. What it doesn't need is yet another person editing it to what they think is 'right'. If we follow the correct process then maybe we can sort this out once and for all. --Shimbo (talk) 21:42, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- Sir, you are the one who is missing the point. An IP added the information a few weeks ago. One, you can say i'm keeping the stable version (the one that withstood the longest without changes); two, like i said, WP:V says i can remove any information that has no source to back it up, at any time, regardless of how long the information is there or to what end. So, you have a piece of contentious info that was added without sources, without prior consensus and that violated the page's WP:STATUSQUO. How am i in the wrong here? Sorry, but i fail see it. If anyone wants to begin a discussion, fine, but as far as i'm aware, as far as the rules go, the stable version is to be maintained until a consensus is reached. And if the IP wants to add information that has no sources to back it up, per rules, the burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material. Simple as that. Coltsfan (talk) 22:07, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- Mate, you seem to be missing the point. I said there ISN"T a consensus. That's why we need an RfC to build one instead of the result flopping around like it's done for years. What it doesn't need is yet another person editing it to what they think is 'right'. If we follow the correct process then maybe we can sort this out once and for all. --Shimbo (talk) 21:42, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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QAnon and the 1871 act
Did either of my sources confirm the act that you linked to was the right one?— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:36, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- Hi, If you look at the article District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871 you can see its role in the QAnon claim that the USA is a corporation explained with sources there. I don't think you need to add those sources to the QAnon article (I think the Rolling Stone article is enough) but if you want to add more then go ahead. --Shimbo (talk) 10:05, 2 February 2021 (UTC)