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== New user creating multiple accounts ==

{{resolved|Account (and its many socks) blocked for crosswiki disruption (ja.wikipedia Long Term Abuse) [[User:Pmlineditor|Pmlineditor]] ([[User talk:Pmlineditor|t]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Pmlineditor|c]] '''·''' [[Special:Logs/Pmlineditor|l]]) 15:40, 25 March 2012 (UTC)}}
[[User:恋のプロバイダ]] just created an account under this name, and several others under other names. Just pointing this out in case it's of interest. --[[User:Auntof6|Auntof6]] ([[User talk:Auntof6|talk]]) 10:02, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

== Please process protected edit request at [[Template talk:Commons category]] ==

{{resolved|Fixed. -[[User:Orashmatash|Orashmatash]] ([[User talk:Orashmatash|talk]]) 10:52, 24 March 2012 (UTC)}}
Template {{tl|Commons category}} is not working right. Please see the linked template talk page and [[Wikipedia:Simple_talk#Template_Commons_category_not_working_right|the recent Simple Talk section]] for details. Thanks. --[[User:Auntof6|Auntof6]] ([[User talk:Auntof6|talk]]) 06:43, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
:Fixed. -[[User:Orashmatash|Orashmatash]] ([[User talk:Orashmatash|talk]]) 10:52, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
== [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Osiris]] needs Closing by a Bureaucrat ==

Hello, the [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Osiris]] needs closing by a Bureaucrat as being successful. The End time of 18:13, 28 March 2012 (UTC) is over now. Thank you. [[User:TheGeneralUser|TheGeneralUser]] ([[User talk:TheGeneralUser|talk]]) 18:46, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
:No need to go posting about it. A crat will see, only uninvolved crats can close and a number of them have voted already so it sometimes takes days past the deadline to close. It will get done. -[[User:Djsasso|DJSasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 18:49, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
::I wan't going posting about this anywhere else other than here. Just needed to inform so that the request be looked upon and closing be done by a Bureaucrat as soon as possible. I did what was right thing to do. [[User:TheGeneralUser|TheGeneralUser]] ([[User talk:TheGeneralUser|talk]]) 19:05, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
:::No actually I am pointing out that you did the wrong thing. As a newer user to the wiki you might want to sit back and watch how things happen here instead of telling people how to do things. It makes you come off pretty bad. -[[User:Djsasso|DJSasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 19:05, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
::::I am not a brand new user as you might think. I had made the account on [[English Wikipedia]] back in June 2011 and started here on [[Simple English Wikipedia]] in November 2011. Your pointing that "I need to sit back and watch things happen" just isn't good. Sure you might be an Administrator and a Bureaucrat, but that does not make you or anyone else in that matter above any User of the Community as we all are equal here. And i wasn't telling anyone about how to do things, I was just kindly informing so that a Bureaucrat closes the RfA whose time was up. There was really nothing wrong in this request. [[User:TheGeneralUser|TheGeneralUser]] ([[User talk:TheGeneralUser|talk]]) 19:19, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::Actually that does still make you a new user other than 3 edits in February all your edits are from this month. That makes you new to ''Simple'' wikipedia. What you have done, or do at English wikipedia is a completely different matter as we are a completely different site. And your messages here a number of times have come off as telling people how to do things when you are still very much a brand new user here and are pretty patronizing. Its generally a good idea to learn the differences of each community before walking around telling people how to do things. -[[User:Djsasso|DJSasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 11:33, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

== History merge ==

{{resolved|[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 05:41, 29 March 2012 (UTC)}}
I think the history from [http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stroke_%28medicine%29&action=history Stroke (medicine)] should be moved to [[Stroke]], since the text has been moved there. [[User:Boivie|Boivie]] ([[User talk:Boivie|talk]]) 21:26, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
== Guess who?! ==

[[User talk:Aleksa Lukic|I've accepted]] Aleksa Lukic's unblock request[http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAleksa_Lukic&diff=3420341&oldid=3420196]. It seems plausible, has been years now, and a reblock is simple. '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font>]][[User talk:Fr33kman|<font color="blue">man</font>]]''''' 00:35, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
:<nowiki>*choke*</nowiki> - You mean someone has actually ''learned'' from a block?! Wow, I must take note of that. First time for everything eh? <small><font color="#800000" face="lucida handwriting">[[User:Kennedy|Kennedy]]</font> ([[User talk:Kennedy|talk]]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Kennedy|changes]]).</small> 12:55, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

== Protection request ==

It would be prudent for an administrator to protect [[Wikipedia:Simple talk/header]] to the level of admin-only (you could say 'Golden-locked' <tt>:P</tt>) as it is a highly noticeable page. Regards, <small><font color="#800000" face="lucida handwriting">[[User:Kennedy|Kennedy]]</font> ([[User talk:Kennedy|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Kennedy|changes]]).</small> 11:51, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
:It is highly noticeable but it is only one page (which hasn't been vandalized). If another admins wants to protect it I won't complain, but I don't think it needs to be or should be. -[[User:Djsasso|DJSasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 12:06, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
== Creating cats for sockpuppets? ==

I've been working on clearing up redlinked categories that have things in them. Quite a few of them are for sockpuppets of various users. An example is [[:Category:Sockpuppets of LouisPhilippeCharles]]. Would you like me to create those cats when I find them, or just leave them redlinked? --[[User:Auntof6|Auntof6]] ([[User talk:Auntof6|talk]]) 08:50, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
:If there are enough articles in the category I would create them, if not I would just leave them red linked. -[[User:Djsasso|DJSasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 11:34, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
::I think it's generally a poor idea. There is the checkuser wiki that can be utilized for those that need to use that, but I still feel creating the cat is a bad idea. When you go the red link category you see all the pages that are in the cat any way. So why create it? Just to turn it blue. I wouldn't do it, personally. Your choice. :)'''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font>]][[User talk:Fr33kman|<font color="blue">man</font>]]''''' 02:24, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
:::Well, I created a few of them. The main reason I even pay much attention to the redlinked categories is that I find a lot of articles that have ''only'' red categories. By looking through the "wanted categories", I find those and give them at least some blue cats. --[[User:Auntof6|Auntof6]] ([[User talk:Auntof6|talk]]) 04:18, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

== Some new usernames that may be against policy ==

The following user accounts were created about an hour ago:
*Séx with addmins mom's accounts‎
*Séx with arbcons mom's accounts‎
*Séx with chckusers mom's accounts‎
*Séx with stwrds mom's accounts‎
Just lettin' y'all know. --[[User:Auntof6|Auntof6]] ([[User talk:Auntof6|talk]]) 09:25, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

:They've been [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/globalauth globally locked], thank you. [[User talk:Sonia|<font color="#cc0099">sonia</font><font color="black">♫</font>]] 09:27, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

== Armenian Genocide ==

Second time a unidentified user has added information that is not acceptable, I changed it back again. Only thing is, it has gone unnoticed for a couple weeks or months before, I was wondering if someone can help watch the page [[Armenian Genocide]] to prevent future vandalism. [[User:Nocturnal781|Nocturnal781]] ([[User talk:Nocturnal781|talk]]) 04:57, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

== Bot requested deletion due to vandalism ==

I created [[List of American films of 1991]] (with correct referencing to the English Wikipedia page) and as soon as I saved the changes, a bot requested deletion due to vandalism. Please review and tell me if this is a mistake or not and how I can rectify it. --[[User:Kelpso1|Kelpso1]] ([[User talk:Kelpso1|talk]]) 09:21, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
:The bot is a bit touchy with new accounts.. It tends to over react some times. Not sure which trigger it hit though. Could be the number of links has a limit as that article is by its nature a collection of links. --<b>[[User:Creol|Creol]]</b><small>([[User_talk:Creol|talk]])</small> 09:25, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
::I reverted the bot, moved the article to it's proper (local) name and (Thank god for AWB) converted all 182 of the "film"(s) to "movie"(s) as well. And since it was me doing it, cats obviously got touched up as well.. --<b>[[User:Creol|Creol]]</b><small>([[User_talk:Creol|talk]])</small> 09:39, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

== Change/edit filters ==

Hello, some of the edit filters should be optimized as they are using lots of conditions. --[[User:Bsadowski1|Bsa]][[User talk:Bsadowski1|dow]][[Special:Contributions/Bsadowski1|ski1]] 18:55, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

== Nudge ==

{{resolved|Closed by Fr33kman, thanks <tt>:)</tt> [[User:Pmlineditor|Pmlineditor]] ([[User talk:Pmlineditor|t]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Pmlineditor|c]] '''·''' [[Special:Logs/Pmlineditor|l]]) 16:17, 17 April 2012 (UTC)}}
An admin needs to close [[Wikipedia:Requests for deletion/Requests/2012/Category:Japanese football club seasons]]. There is sufficient discussion in the RfD and it should have been closed five days ago. I can help in deleting the articles (if the decision is to delete and help is needed) after the closure. Thanks. [[User:Pmlineditor|Pmlineditor]] ([[User talk:Pmlineditor|t]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Pmlineditor|c]] '''·''' [[Special:Logs/Pmlineditor|l]]) 16:18, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
== New alternate account ==

Hi,

I mentioned my plans before, but just want to be clear. I have set up an alternate account at [[User:ELTted]]. If it is alright, I'd prefer not to link from that alternate account to my main account. Of course, anyone could find the connection with a little digging, but I'd rather try to keep them somewhat separated. That userpage has some real-world identifiers, contact info, and the limitations I plan to use the account under. I've also listed it on my primary account. Hope that's all OK. I plan to get started with students soon, and have teacher development activities using SEWP planned for June, July, and October.

Thanks, [[User:Gotanda|Gotanda]] ([[User talk:Gotanda|talk]]) 06:07, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

== Vandalism and disruption on another wiki: What should I do? ==

I was cleaning up more of the incorrect location links of [[User:Nameless_User]]'s and [[user:Japan_Football]]'s (one and the same?) sub-stub footballer articles when I noticed that many of them now show incoming interwiki links from Fiji Hindi. Hmmm... Odd, I thought. Had a look and [[user:Japan_Football]] has set up shop over there on a basically unattended wiki and spamming it with hundreds of copies of these stubs. See [http://hif.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Japan_Football&offset=&limit=500&target=Japan+Football His recent changes] in context of the general [http://hif.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges New Changes] and no action on the [http://hif.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard Admin Noticeboard].

I know every wiki works independently, but it seems JF has taken a break here to spread his useless stubs there. They have only 9,281 articles and at the rate JF is going they will be over-run by nothing but minor J-League players in no time. I seem to recall a place for cross-wiki vandalism, but not sure where. Any advice? Thanks, [[User:Gotanda|Gotanda]] ([[User talk:Gotanda|talk]]) 08:00, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

:Interesting. He obviously doesn't speak the language, since he's only translated the obligatory opening sentence for each page. Unfortunately though, there's nothing to stop him unless the local community objects, since it's not obvious vandalism or advertising. Hifwiki only has [[:hif:Special:ListUsers/sysop|one admin]], so maybe contact them on their talk page or email them. You can also bring it up at [[m:Stewards' noticeboard]]. I think it's fairly obvious to see why this might become a problem for that wiki given its size (both in terms of articles and editors), I recommend bringing it up at the Stewards' noticeboard, where they can decide whether a global lock is in order. [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 08:16, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

::Thanks for pointing me in the right direction Osiris. I left an additional message at the admin's talk page. With such a small wiki and only one admin it may take a while. I'll wait a bit before going to Stewards' noticeboard. [[User:Gotanda|Gotanda]] ([[User talk:Gotanda|talk]]) 10:47, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
== Haify2 ==

{{resolved|Blocked, socked and locked! :P '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font>]][[User talk:Fr33kman|<font color="blue">man</font>]]''''' 21:54, 28 April 2012 (UTC)}}
*{{vandal|Haify2}}

Someone please block this user. He's being purely disruptive: edit-warring, repeatedly inserting copyright violations, removing attribution templates, making personal attacks and evidently abusing multiple accounts and IPs.

In the past 24 hours he's made 6 reverts to "[[Wikipedia:Ownership of articles|his]]" article [[Waheed Murad]]. He's attacked several editors, calling them "biased" and telling them not to get "personal" while labelling Auntof6 "childish" and me "immature".

He was given a strong warning earlier by Pmlineditor, who he's now labelled a "sock" and has gone on a rampage reverting Pm's edits to various articles.

Someone uninvolved please just block this guy so we can all get back to work. [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 20:52, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

:: [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] initially tried to put article [[Waheed Murad]] for deletion and once he was not successful in doing so, he along with [[User:Auntof6|Auntof6]] started discouraging me. I here by, request for the solution of this matter. [[User:Haify2|Haify2]] ([[User talk:Haify2|talk]]) 21:01, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

:I never blamed anyone of being a sock but just expressed some user's concern. Experienced editors are supposed to set an example but here the story with these two is different. [[User:Haify2|Haify2]] ([[User talk:Haify2|talk]]) 21:08, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

::Which user expressed that concern? [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 21:09, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

:::Who called you immature? I just requested you to assume good faith instead of developing a rebuking attitude. [[User:Haify2|Haify2]] ([[User talk:Haify2|talk]]) 21:12, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

::::Ohhh, right! The IPs are supposed to be different people! Is that right? [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 21:15, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

::You are accusing me of disruptive IPs? Be very sure about it because you might not be right in this regard. [[User:Haify2|Haify2]] ([[User talk:Haify2|talk]]) 21:18, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

::You did not answer when I called you immature?[[User:Haify2|Haify2]] ([[User talk:Haify2|talk]]) 21:21, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Endorse block. Obvious troll is obvious. <small>[[user:kennedy|<font color="#800000" face="lucida handwriting">Kennedy</font>]] <sup>([[user_talk:kennedy|<font color="#800000">talk</font>]]) </sup></small> 21:28, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

*Blocked the user, counter-productive edit war. Won't/Can't say more here, you know. -[[User:Barras|<span style="color:blue; font-family:Bookman Old Style">'''Barras'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Barras|<span style="color:red; font-family:Bookman Old Style">'''talk'''</span>]] 21:33, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that. [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 21:35, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

*Well, digging a bit deeper, socks, socks, socks and socks. Even more a reason to block. Just letting you know. -[[User:Barras|<span style="color:blue; font-family:Bookman Old Style">'''Barras'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Barras|<span style="color:red; font-family:Bookman Old Style">'''talk'''</span>]] 21:44, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

::Oh dear. Looks like you discovered a whole factory of them. [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 21:49, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

== User:212.44.49.99 ==

This user is doing a whole string of vandalisms, and deserves attention. [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 13:49, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
:Blocked for a week. [[User:Pmlineditor|Pmlineditor]] ([[User talk:Pmlineditor|t]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Pmlineditor|c]] '''·''' [[Special:Logs/Pmlineditor|l]]) 14:09, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
== Globally locked user ==

Hi folks,  [[User:Moebelle6]] is confirmed to be [[w:User:Zhand38]], who is [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ACentralAuth&target=Zhand38] globally locked by the stewards for cross-wiki abuse and disruption.  I can tell you that he's sucked up a tremendous amount of staff time as well.  Stewards won't lock this account, because it's confined to a single wiki.  I'd like to request (though not direct, obviously) that someone consider doing a block on this one.  Sockpuppetry and block evasion.  Thanks, [[User:Philippe (WMF)|Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation]] ([[User talk:Philippe (WMF)|talk]]) 04:44, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

:{{done}}. I was going to do this a while ago, but I've been waiting for Philippe to get back to me about the lock. It is likely that he will make an unblock request, so if any of the other admins need any further details on this, I can email them. [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 05:09, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
::Thanks, Osiris.  [[User:Philippe (WMF)|Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation]] ([[User talk:Philippe (WMF)|talk]]) 05:17, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
:::I have locked the [[User:Moebelle6]] account globally. '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font>]][[User talk:Fr33kman|<font color="blue">man</font>]]''''' 21:20, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

== Dinosaur deletions ==

Thousands of dinosaur images were deleted from Commons, and then from dozens of wikis by CommonsDelinker. The grounds for these deletions were spurious, and some heavyweight admins on en.wiki and commons.wiki weighed in overnight. The deletions have been reversed on en.wiki and ''CommonsDelinker is temporarily blocked on en.wiki''. We should do the same here. Threads [[Commons:User_talk:Fastily#Dinosaurs]] and then [[Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Dinosaur_extinction_on_Commons|here]]. [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 06:34, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
:I saw some discussion about this on IRC quite recently, I think someone is going to get the bot reverted or something. However, I will take a look at the bot here. -[[User:Barras|<span style="color:blue; font-family:Bookman Old Style">'''Barras'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Barras|<span style="color:red; font-family:Bookman Old Style">'''talk'''</span>]] 11:23, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
:Blocked it for the time being. -[[User:Barras|<span style="color:blue; font-family:Bookman Old Style">'''Barras'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Barras|<span style="color:red; font-family:Bookman Old Style">'''talk'''</span>]] 11:26, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
::I don't agree with blocking the bot long term. Being that we rely solely on commons images we need that bot. -[[User:Djsasso|DJSasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 12:19, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
:::I left the bot op a notice that he shall ping us that we can get the bot unblock asap. -[[User:Barras|<span style="color:blue; font-family:Bookman Old Style">'''Barras'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Barras|<span style="color:red; font-family:Bookman Old Style">'''talk'''</span>]] 12:20, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
::::Cool that works for me. -[[User:Djsasso|DJSasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 16:04, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
:::::Forgot to make the note here, but I've already unblocked the bot this afternoon. The bot got a restart and this cleaned the job queue. -[[User:Barras|<span style="color:blue; font-family:Bookman Old Style">'''Barras'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Barras|<span style="color:red; font-family:Bookman Old Style">'''talk'''</span>]] 20:06, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

== Help ==

Hello Everyone! I am a new user. Is there a bot here that adds links to other languages? Greetings --[[User:Kolega2357|Kolega2357]] ([[User talk:Kolega2357|talk]]) 23:24, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
:Yes, many. Welcome! [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 02:56, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
::There are a few yes. In general, they need one interwiki link to be able to work things out. I haven't tested it personally, but I guess links to the more common languages will be treated faster. --[[User:Eptalon|Eptalon]] ([[User talk:Eptalon|talk]]) 21:10, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
== Remove username from page edit history ==

Could you remove the username Robertmarkdudley95 from the edit history of the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brent_Everett? I edited this page a while ago, and do not wish for my name to remain there.
:Hi! This is the ''Simple'' English Wikipedia. For requests on the English Wikipedia you need to go to [[:en:Wikipedia:Oversight]] or [[:en:Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard]]. [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 11:52, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
::As a en-wikipedia admin, I am going to say no to your request. Revision deletion is only to be used in a very small number of cases --[[User:Guerillero|<font color="green">Gue</font>]][[User talk:Guerillero|<font color="green">rillero</font>]] 16:33, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

== Page protection ==

Please semi-protect both my user page and my talk page, indefinitely, to fend off vandals. I will then create a separate, unprotected page as per regular wikipedia. Thank you! ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 16:10, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
:Will protect your user page, but won't protect your talk page. Had it been getting a large amount of vandalism I might consider it but since it is not there is no reason to break with standard and protect a talk page. -[[User:Djsasso|DJSasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 16:30, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
::I have created the unprotected talk page, for potential future use. If Tailsman's socks continue to trample on the regular talk page, I'll get back to you. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 16:38, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
::DJSasso, I agree wholeheartidly, hence [[User talk:Barras/Archive 15#Talk page|my surprise]] at [http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ACreol&diff=3584242&oldid=3577321 this happening elsewhere]. It was always my understanding that talk pages should not be locked in any way. Can we set a definitive standard and work to that, i.e. unlock Creol's talk page? <small>[[user:kennedy|<font color="#800000" face="lucida handwriting">Kennedy</font>]] <sup>([[user_talk:kennedy|<font color="#800000">talk</font>]]) </sup></small> 11:57, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
:::I personally don't have a problem with it being done on users who have left. This is done fairly often on en.wiki. No need to leave a talk page open for a user who isn't going to be around to talk anyways. If he were to come back he would definitely have to unlock it. That being said its not like his page was getting much vandalism. My guess is he wanted to avoid the automatic emails when someone writes on it but that could have been done by simply turning off that feature. -[[User:Djsasso|DJSasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 11:58, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
::::Eh? Sorry thats a contradiction. I must have missed where Creol said he was leaving, I assumed it was a temp thing. Take for example a user who has been warned by Creol and (s)he wishes to respond, they cannot as it is (semi)protected. There is no difference between Creol and Baseball Bugs... We should either do it, or not. And I think we should not. <small>[[user:kennedy|<font color="#800000" face="lucida handwriting">Kennedy</font>]] <sup>([[user_talk:kennedy|<font color="#800000">talk</font>]]) </sup></small> 12:01, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
:::::Creol permanently retired that was why it was done. Which is of course a very different situation than Baseball Bugs who is an active editor who needs to be able to be contacted. Creol should never need to be contacted as he is no longer an editor so won't be warning users who need to respond. -[[User:Djsasso|DJSasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 12:10, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
::::::Hmm... I see the [http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Creol&diff=prev&oldid=3557672 retiral] now, but still have strong opposition to locking any talk pages. <small>[[user:kennedy|<font color="#800000" face="lucida handwriting">Kennedy</font>]] <sup>([[user_talk:kennedy|<font color="#800000">talk</font>]]) </sup></small> 12:15, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

== Request for multiple accounts for group ==

I would like an administrator's help in setting up multiple accounts for a school group.  I am not sure if this is the right place to post this request, but have had trouble identifying the correct channel.  Thank you! <small>— This [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Bfulmersms|Bfulmersms]] ([[User talk:Bfulmersms|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Bfulmersms|changes]]){{#if: 16:55 3 April 2012 (UTC) |&nbsp;on 16:55 3 April 2012 (UTC)}}.</small> <!--Inserted with Template:Unsigned-->

== Ip ==

Could someone get this Ip off my back? [[User talk:99.233.192.32]] & [[User_talk:Dan653#Get_on_my_GSCHOCK]]
== Multiple accounts for a group, or remove the IP limit? ==

I will be conducting a [[User:ELTted/Projects/Pan-SIG_2012|workshop next weekend]] to introduce SEWP to language teachers in Japan. I expect most of the participants will not have accounts. I will ask as many as possible to make accounts. If teachers make their own, they may be more likely to continue to edit. But, I don't want people to be locked out. If I get the IP address of the school, could the limit on new accounts be temporarily lifted? Or, and probably much easier, could I request a block of usernames? Thanks, [[User:ELTted|ELTted]] ([[User talk:ELTted|talk]]) 00:30, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

== Updating list pages ==

Should there be a list of list pages which need annual updating? I ask this upon finding [[List of most visited art museums in the world]] is two years out of date. We might consider having a named administrator to supervise the updating process. [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 16:31, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
:I think as long as we have a dated reference, this isn't a huge problem. It's not only list pages that could use frequent checking, though. There are a lot of pages that say, "Currently...", followed by various kinds of things. We have a template called {{tl|update after}} that might be helpful here. [[:en:WP:DATED]] also gives suggestions. --[[User:Auntof6|Auntof6]] ([[User talk:Auntof6|talk]]) 16:45, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
::And because of the small number of users around to update these kinds of things, we should try and discourage using time references like "currently" that are going to make the data go outdated very quickly. Just use "[[:en:Wikipedia:As of|as of]]" or something similar. [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 01:20, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
== GoblinBot4 and Japanese Football pages? ==

Hi, wondering why this change was made by the bot. [http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Albirex_Niigata&diff=next&oldid=3646945]

I looked and one student updated with corect info. Will add a class template. There have been bad edits on Japanese football articles, but this is a legit change. Thanks, [[User:ELTted|ELTted]] ([[User talk:ELTted|talk]]) 02:09, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
:Because "Yanagishita" contains the word "shit". [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 02:31, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
::Anyone named Matsushita, Kinoshita, or Yamashita will trigger this then? Hmmm... Oh well, I'll explain to my student. Knowing him, he'll get a kick out of it. Is there a way to prevent the bot from tagging these articles? Or, just have to make enough edits to not be patrolled? [[User:ELTted|ELTted]] ([[User talk:ELTted|talk]]) 02:35, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
:::I'm afraid so. Adding the tracking template {{tlx|nobots}} to the page might ward off the bot, but that depends on whether it's in the bot's programming. Try to get one of your students to test it out because I would be interested to see... If not, I'm afraid they'll have to wait until they're autopatrolled (4 days and 10 edits I think it is)... [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 02:45, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

== Croatian Liberation movement ==

I'm concerned that the recent decision to close this discussion as "keep" does not reflect the content of the discussion. Almost all the keep comments were by unregistered users who have made no prior contributions to this wiki; almost all the "delete" comments were as strongly worded as they could be, and were from editors with a great deal of experience. The admin who closed the discussion had, however, expressed views in favour of keep. I request a review of this decision by a disinterested person. I have nothing at all against either the topic or the admin, just against this particular page. [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 12:20, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
:Yes I would have closed it as delete but I voted so I didn't close it. SHouldn't have been closed by someone who took part in the discussion. That is a COI. -[[User:Djsasso|DJSasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 13:13, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
::I saw that this morning, the topic was still unclosed, as of today, it was sitting there for ten days over the "closing date".  I am aware that the party, nowadays is a "minor" political party, probably without much influence. Given its roots and history, I still think the party is notable; I am aware that there are probably issues we have with the current sourcing of the article, but this is independent of notability issues. I am sure no one would object if people created articles about the [[:en:Prohibition Party|Prohibition Party]], the [[:en:Communist Party USA|Communist Party USA]], or the [[:en:Peace and Freedom Party|Peace an Freedom Party]]. All of these are parties form the United States which are not in the big two or three today, but which have a long history. I was aware that most supports came from editors who were either IP's or who weren't active beforehand on this Wikipedia. What I can propose is to help review the statements and sources, and to rewrite the article to eliminate doubtful sources and statements. --[[User:Eptalon|Eptalon]] ([[User talk:Eptalon|talk]]) 13:34, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
:::It was left open cause it probably needed more time...but that being said, what it needs is to be outright deleted or stubified to clean it up...pretty much the entire thing right now is in a dubious state. Deletion sometimes is warranted when the article is in such bad shape that nothing from it should be kept and that a fresh start is better even if the topic is notable. -[[User:Djsasso|DJSasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 13:40, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
::Its notability was never questioned that I can see. That wasn't what I nominated it for. I nominated it as an attack page, because that's what it was at the time. It's gotten marginally better, but the issues with editorialising, weasel words, improper usage of sources, etc - are all still there. And with it being very much ''not simple'', I would personally scrap it and rewrite the whole thing based on the English version. But as I said, if you can cut out the garbage without being ''reverted'' by the "owner", go for it. [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 14:11, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
:::Ah, you've done it. Looks much better. Thank you, Eptalon. [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 14:15, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
::::Article (as it was after the keep-decision) is still present "hidden", on the talk page. This will permit us to gradually extend the article, and to incoroporate the ideas that were there, in simple/easy-to-understand language.--[[User:Eptalon|Eptalon]] ([[User talk:Eptalon|talk]]) 14:23, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Alas, ''as the prophecy foretold'', it has been reverted. Right back to the way it was. The only comment: "Wikipedia is not censored". [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 23:21, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
:Reverted and user warned. Also have semi-protected the article. -[[User:Djsasso|DJSasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 11:48, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
::Thanks. Have slowly started to help out with reconstructing. [[User:Anubis|Anubis]] <sup>[''[[User talk:Osiris|Osiris]]'']</sup> 03:25, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

== Edits from this IP address ==

In about an hour I will be running a workshop for English language teachers on using SEWP. I'll ask them to create accounts, but there may be a burst of IP edits from this address by novice editors. Please be kind. Thanks, [[User:ELTted|ELTted]] ([[User talk:ELTted|talk]]) 01:13, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
== MediaWiki:Gadget-Twinkle.js ==

[[File:Twinklenew.png|thumb|twinkletag and rfd on TW]]
[[File:Twstub.png|thumb|twinklestub]]
[[File:Twinklesimpl.png|thumb|twinkletag]]
Please replace the text on [[MediaWiki:Gadget-Twinkle.js]] to this:

<source lang="javascript">/*******************************************************/
/*  NOTE: The users listed in noAllow will NOT have    */
/*  this gadget enabled, regardless of whether or not  */
/*  they have it enabled in their preferences.         */
/*******************************************************/
 
var noAllow = [];
if(navigator.appName != "Microsoft Internet Explorer") { //Doesn't work in IE.
    if(noAllow.indexOf(wgUserName) == -1) { //If the user isn't listed as a not-allowed user, import the script.
        importScript("User:LightForce/twinkle.js");
    }
}</source>

This update contains new features:
* friendlytag: tag articles with maintenance templates like {{tl|complex}} or {{tl|wikify}}.
* twinklestub: complete new code for adding stub templates
* twinklearv: advanced reporting users to WP:VIP
* twinklexfd: comfortable way of requesting RfD
* twinklesharedip: adding shared-ip templates on IP discussion sites

Thank you. See the pictures right. More information here: [[Wikipedia talk:Twinkle/Archive 1#New modules]]. --[[User:Weltforce|'''w'''eltforce]] ([[User talk:Weltforce|talk]]) 22:14, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

== John F. Kennedy ==

Can someone please take a look at [[John F. Kennedy]] and [[John F. Kennedy assassination]]?  Seems to be a lot of "undid revisions" lately. Thanks --[[User:Tbennert|Tbennert]] ([[User talk:Tbennert|talk]]) 20:44, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

:Yes, please do. Other editors and myself have found ourselves having to revert edits, which are being repeatedly added by IP's. Possibly a page protection might be in order.--[[User:Chip123456|Chip123456]] ([[User talk:Chip123456|talk]]) 20:51, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

::Also [[Lee Harvey Oswald]] has had the same issues.--[[User:Chip123456|Chip123456]] ([[User talk:Chip123456|talk]]) 21:04, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

:::Okay, protected. [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 02:28, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
== Request for flood flag ==

Could I have a flood flag, please? I'm doing a lot of work on standardizing the chronology categories and articles. --[[User:Auntof6|Auntof6]] ([[User talk:Auntof6|talk]]) 23:51, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Osiris gave me the flag a while ago, and I'm through with it now. Any admin who wants can remove it. Thanks. --[[User:Auntof6|Auntof6]] ([[User talk:Auntof6|talk]]) 05:47, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

== Angelina Ballerina: Next Steps - cast changes ==

Hello -

Someone keeps posting that two of the characters on Angelina Ballerina: Next Steps are voiced by Hilary Duff and Justin Bieber.  There is no verifiable proof that is the case.  I have changed this posting multiple times to erase these names, only to have someone post the names again. I have posted a talk saying there is no proof, but someone keeps making these changes.

If you look at the following sources, there is no indication that these two individuals voice characters on this show:

https://www.amazon.com/Angelina-Ballerina-Dance-Charlotte-Spencer/dp/B003P3PQKI/ref=sr_1_2?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1341935804&sr=1-2&keywords=angelina+ballerina+next+steps

https://www.amazon.com/Angelina-Ballerina-Princess-DVD/dp/B006N8GNUE/ref=pd_sim_mov_3

Here's a box cover for one of the DVD's and if you look at the credits on the left side on the bottom, there is no Justin Bieber nor Hilary Duff listed:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/87/02312c.jpg/sr=1

[[Special:Contributions/12.43.115.248|12.43.115.248]] ([[User talk:12.43.115.248|talk]]) 16:12, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
:Hello there, and welcome to ''Simple'' English Wikipedia. You are probably referring to a problem of ''Regular'' English Wikipedia; the two wikis are different from one another. Please post your concerns on [[:en:Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard|their]] Administrators' noticeboard. Simple English Wikipedia does not yet have an article on the topic, but you are welcome to create one, if you like. Thank you. --[[User:Eptalon|Eptalon]] ([[User talk:Eptalon|talk]]) 16:24, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
== Request for flood flag, 7/17 ==

Could I have a flood flag? I'd like to continue my work of putting the standard headings on the birth year categories. Thanks. --[[User:Auntof6|Auntof6]] ([[User talk:Auntof6|talk]]) 05:25, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

== WP:QD ==

Just out of curiosity, what is the purpose of the placeholders at [[Wikipedia:QD#Quick_deletion_criteria|WP:QD]]? Why do we bother with placeholders and not just shunt the rest up? <small>[[user:kennedy|<font color="#800000" face="lucida handwriting">Kennedy</font>]]</small> <sup>([[user_talk:kennedy|<font color="#800000">talk</font>]]) </sup> 11:07, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

:Presumably because there will be references and links to them in archived discussions and deletion logs (where they can't be altered). [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 11:57, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

::Makes sense... Cheers <small>[[user:kennedy|<font color="#800000" face="lucida handwriting">Kennedy</font>]]</small> <sup>([[user_talk:kennedy|<font color="#800000">talk</font>]]) </sup> 12:17, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
== Request for flood flag ==

If an admin would kindly give me the flood flag, I'd like to continue with my work on the chronology categories -- addings the standard heading templates to each one, and creating any that I find needed. Currently working on birth categories, and will continue to death categories when done with that. --[[User:Auntof6|Auntof6]] ([[User talk:Auntof6|talk]]) 03:22, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
*Thanks to Osiris for the flag. I'm finished for now, so any available admin can remove it. --[[User:Auntof6|Auntof6]] ([[User talk:Auntof6|talk]]) 08:37, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
::Flag removed. -[[User:Mh7kJ|Mh7kJ]] ([[User talk:Mh7kJ|talk]]) 08:39, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

If there's an admin around, could I have the flood flag? I'd like to continue with my chronology category work. --[[User:Auntof6|Auntof6]] ([[User talk:Auntof6|talk]]) 04:50, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
:OK, thanks, I'm finished for now. The flood flag can be removed. --[[User:Auntof6|Auntof6]] ([[User talk:Auntof6|talk]]) 06:34, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

== Misha B ==

Please could you remove the Misha B page. I started it by innocently copy pasting from the English Wikipedia and was going to 'simplify it'. I realise to do it would take me some time and maybe another time when I have time. I should write the article correctly[[User:Zoeblackmore|Zoeblackmore]] ([[User talk:Zoeblackmore|talk]]) 16:19, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

:{{Done}} By Barras--[[User:Chip123456|<font color="green">'''''Chip123456'''''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Chip123456|<font color="blue">''Talk''</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Chip123456|<font color="red">''Changes''</font>]]</sub> 16:44, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
== New editfilter to detect spambot edits ==

Hello,

I have added a new editfilter, which scans the change summary, and the added text of articles for terms which have been used by spambots. So far this wiki has not been hit by editing spambots. In other wikis such bots are becoming more and more of a problem; basically, they "push" advertising into wikipedia. Edits the filter identifies will be tagged with ''Spambot edit?''. Even if we do not have any positives at the moment, the filter can help detect spambots, which can then be blocked. I would suggest we leave the filter enabled for now, even if this wiki has largely been spared. Anyway, just wanting to let you know what it means when you see the tag. --[[User:Eptalon|Eptalon]] ([[User talk:Eptalon|talk]]) 12:09, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
:I saw that today actually, although it was a false reading. Thanks for the info. <small>[[user:kennedy|<font color="#800000" face="lucida handwriting">Kennedy</font>]]</small> <sup>([[user_talk:kennedy|<font color="#800000">talk</font>]]) </sup> 12:40, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
::Thanks Eptalon. --[[User:Peterdownunder|Peterdownunder]] ([[User talk:Peterdownunder|talk]]) 12:50, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Might need some fine-tuning - getting false positives: [https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Izzee127&offset=201207270238&limit=1] [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 03:28, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
:I know. so far, all hists have been false positives. This filter also incorporates search terms from the resp. EnWP filter. According to what I hear from the enwp people, the filter has about ten percent false positives. The filter currently has 4 hits. I think we need to wait until we get 40-50 hits to see how good the terms are. --[[User:Eptalon|Eptalon]] ([[User talk:Eptalon|talk]]) 08:43, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

== Finished with flood flag ==

A couple of hours ago, Osiris gave me the flood flag. Any available admin can take it off now. Thanks. --[[User:Auntof6|Auntof6]] ([[User talk:Auntof6|talk]]) 10:18, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
:Flag removed. -[[User:Mh7kJ|Mh7kJ]] ([[User talk:Mh7kJ|talk]]) 10:22, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
== [[List of SpongeBob SquarePants episodes]] ==

Would it be possible to semi-protect this page? It continues to get edits that are way off on dates. These edits seem always to be done by IP editors. The article has actually been up for deletion discussion for a while, but there are no comments other than mine. --[[User:Auntof6|Auntof6]] ([[User talk:Auntof6|talk]]) 12:19, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

:I agree with Auntof6. The information keeps on getting changed by numerous IP'S, most of which is unsourced. --[[User:Chip123456|<font color="green">'''''Chip123456'''''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Chip123456|<font color="blue">''Talk''</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Chip123456|<font color="red">''Changes''</font>]]</sub> 12:22, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
::It must be the same editor, as the nature of the changes are always so similar. I check the reliability of some changes and revert where necessary or possible. I jut wonder whether if we protect it, he or she will create mischief elsewhere. The cure may be worse than the problem, but then again I am not a spongebob fan looking for reliable info (I suppose Spongebob fans wouldn't be looking here either). --[[User:Peterdownunder|Peterdownunder]] ([[User talk:Peterdownunder|talk]]) 12:34, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

:::'He or she will create mischief elsewhere' that's a valid point. However, if the outcome of the page is delete, we'd have to get used to the other mischief. ;)--[[User:Chip123456|<font color="green">'''''Chip123456'''''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Chip123456|<font color="blue">''Talk''</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Chip123456|<font color="red">''Changes''</font>]]</sub> 12:45, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
::::There is probably so much work to do to check all the details, that deletion is probably the only option. I don't think I can revert any of the changes because I don't know where the last good version will be (if anywhere). I'd better add these comments to the Rfd. --[[User:Peterdownunder|Peterdownunder]] ([[User talk:Peterdownunder|talk]]) 13:36, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
::::::Linked in comment part. All of the information on there is just a blur.--[[User:Chip123456|<font color="green">'''''Chip123456'''''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Chip123456|<font color="blue">''Talk''</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Chip123456|<font color="red">''Changes''</font>]]</sub> 13:50, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

His recent contributions to the English Wikipedia (in the last two or three days) make me seriously question the integrity of this editor. I really don't know what to make of the changes. I don't know anything about these TV shows, but I would imagine that there might be some official lists somewhere online that we could copy. [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 01:22, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
:There are two different IPs that have been doing most of the questionable changes. (They could, of course, be the same person.) The only place I know of to get this information is IMDB. If I could be sure the bad editing would stop, I wouldn't mind synching the information with what's on IMDB, but I'm not going to bother if someone is going to change it all around again. --[[User:Auntof6|Auntof6]] ([[User talk:Auntof6|talk]]) 02:59, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
::Does IMDB have the air dates? If so, we can construct the list using that information I guess. It's a less-than-ideal souce, but it's better than nothing (nothing being what appears to be being used by the IPs). It's just a list of data, so it really shouldn't be changing at all. The enwiki version has been semi-protected since 2007, so I don't have any problems with doing the same here. [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 03:40, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
:Actually, if the enwiki tables have been semi-protected for 5 years, we might as well just use those. They're just lists of names and numbers so they should be fine to use here as well. I'll change them over now. [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 03:51, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
::{{done}}, and I've protected the page for the moment -- but there are some good points raised above so we can decide the end result in the deletion discussion: permanent protection, deletion or another alternative. Incidentally, there was a previous deletion discussion (added the link to the RfD page). [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 04:13, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

== Article Aminur Rahman,Khosru ==

I am drawing the kind attention of Admins about above mentioned  Wikipedia Article.After I have submitted  the Biography which was about the youngest commander of operation jackpot of Bangladesh Liberation war of 1971. Its to be  noted that the above said biography is written on  commander Aminur Rahman ,Khosru  and the naval commandos of Bangladesh who destroyed 6 ships in operation of Mongla on 15th Aug,1971 under the command of Aminur Rahman,Khosru.As per regulation of Wikipedia Military Persons Biography which could be prserved in wikipedia which says that a military persons biography can be saved as Wikipedia Biography article,if the person has commanded an operation which remarkable.Its the clause no 5 of  Military persons Biography prservation regulation of wikipedia.
After submission  of the article the article was very soon  posted in Wikipedia.
I was editing factual mistakes of Bangladesh Liberation war and I was noticed by Future Perfect at Sunrise not  to Edit article
without sources on 25th JUly,1971.I was blocked for 31 Hours by FutPer at Sunrise.After my block was over after 31 hours,I was editing another article,Operation Jackpot.Here I would like to say all my edit were with sources and references of books with ISBN Number.
I was given further 48 hours block.In the mean time Article Aminur Rahman,Khosru was tagged as PROD by Futuperf at Sunrise with
a Limitation of deleting the article with in the  6th Aug,2012.Since I was blocked  that time neither could I refer any thing to that article nor I could edit any article.So I could not give sources and references to that article.My block was overon 6th August2012  at 16.00 Hours.Just on 16.05  Admin Futper at Sunrise deleted the article Aminur Rahman,Khosru  from Wikipedia.
On 9th Aug,2012,I went to his talk page and requested him to reinstall the article.
I also appeal to reinstall  the article in Un deletion page.Today I saw that my appeal  was reviewed by Admin '''Graeme Bartlett'''  at 16.00 hours and he reinstall  the article Aminur Rahman,Khosru at 6-20 A.M.Right  after that Admin Future perfect at Sunrise went to article  Operation Jackpot   at 6.27 and changed the whole article Operation Jackpot  brought back  the article Operation Jackpot to the  Edit of May 2012.He did this very intentionally,as he have seen Article Aminur Rahman;khosru  is again been reinstalled   and as he  has  seen that many references of Article Aminur Rahman,Khosru is  refered from Operation Jackpot so he immediately decided to revert the operation jackpot to previous Edit and   Admin Futperf at Sunrise at once re deleted the whole content of  the Article Aminur Rahman,Khosru,which was reinstalled  through an appeal by Admin '''Graeme Bartlett''' today.
Not only that Admin future perfect at Sunrise,immidietly  tagged  the Article Aminur Rahman,Khosru as  article which is without reliable source,poor article and deleted the content of the article very intentionally and changed article  content  from top to bottom.Not only that,he has written singel line article himself , its also  written by him about a  new port in Bangladesh as Bangla port,I am sure there is no  sea or river port in Bangladesh  in the name he quoted in article Aminur Rahman,Khosru.This mornning Admin Graeme Bartlett reverted the article to the original version following this the article has again been reverted by Admin Future perfect at Sunshine in Singel line which is not at all a part of article.He has further Tagged the article for deletion
and allowing any one to edit.But while I am trying to edit he is rverting the edit to that singel line article  which is written by him.
I am drwaing the kind attention of honourable Admins to revert the article to orginal version and protect the same. 
It is more than impossible that Futperf at Sunrise shall allow any article in the name of Aminur Rahman,khosru as he asked me whether I am Aminur Rahman,Khosru or I am his relative etc? 
Admin Future perfect at sunrise intentionally reverted the Operation Jackpot with an intention  to delete the article Aminur Rahman,Khosru .
It all together means that an article,after appeal and   reinstalled  by another  Admin   can be  very well  be changed  by the  same admin who deleted the article first.Then my question is what is the necessary to  Appeal?This type of activities of Admins  clearly proves that there are Wikipedia regulations but these can be over ruled by  the Admins like Futpef at Sunshine  at any time.
It also mean directly that Wikipedia regulation and guidelines are for poor editors like  is applicable till last dot.It further mean that all guidelines are for readers and editors.
I would request to all honourable  Admins to look into the matter and take possible steps in order to stop such activities once for all.I very much fear that Admin Future perfect at Sunshine shall find some way  impose  block  on me  for Indefinite time.
But as reader and editor of Wikipedia on Bangladesh Liberation war I think its my duty to inform the Admins to stop such practises.
we expect lot of good examples from Admins like many other Admins who are really helpful and contribute a lot to the
new and old editors.I would like to remain wikipedia for these good admins whoes helping attitude attracts many editor like me.
I would like to thank all reader and editor and all the Admins of Wikipedia for their contribution.

With Regards,
Frankfurt55

:We are not English Wikpedia, please go there with your problem. We are Simple English wiki, which operates independently. [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 16:31, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
== Weird error report ==

Hi, not sure if anyone needs to know this, but I've never seen this before. When saving a change to [[Soft tennis]], this error message appeared. 

<blockquote>
A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:

    (SQL query hidden)

from within function "SqlBagOStuff::set". Database returned error "1637: Too many active concurrent transactions (10.0.0.221)".
</blockquote>

Since it mentioned a possible bug, I thought I'd pass it along. But, the change was saved correctly, so maybe no big deal. Thanks, [[User:ELTted|ELTted]] ([[User talk:ELTted|talk]]) 00:48, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

== Request for page protection ==

I would like you to semiprotect my user page.Reason:I don't want an Ip address editing my user page <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Receptie123|Receptie123]] ([[User talk:Receptie123#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Receptie123|contribs]]) </small>

:Per [//simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Protection_policy#Semi-protection the semi-protection policy], your userpage should ''not be protected'', because it hasn't been hit hard by excessive vandalism.--[[User:Chip123456|<font color="green">'''''Chip123456'''''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Chip123456|<font color="blue">''Talk''</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Chip123456|<font color="red">''Changes''</font>]]</sub> 11:13, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

::Didn't even know about this policy. Also, it looks quite outdated/obsolete. {{Done}} -[[User:Barras|<span style="color:blue; font-family:Bookman Old Style">'''Barras'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Barras|<span style="color:red; font-family:Bookman Old Style">'''talk'''</span>]] 12:11, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
== Reprting user ==

User188.220.4.94 blanked a page ([[Alphabet]]) and replaced it with an unpleasant word, after receiving a final warning. Over to you guys. User link: [[User talk:188.220.4.94]]. [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 14:39, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
:It was already blocked just after midnight today. Also, vandalism reports should go to [[WP:AIV]]. -[[User:Mh7kJ|Mh7kJ]] ([[User talk:Mh7kJ|talk]]) 14:54, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
::Thanks; couldn't find the place! [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 15:50, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

== Delete revision ==

Please delete [http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alphabet&oldid=3809118 this] revision (like Macdonald-ross said), reason: grossly insulting, degrading, or offensive material. Thanks! --[[User:Intforce|'''int'''force]].<span style="font-size:70%">aka.[[User talk:Intforce|weltforce]]</span> 19:30, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
:That really isn't revdel material as it isn't aimed at anyone. -[[User:Djsasso|DJSasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 19:33, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
::Please correct me if this rule doesn't append to the English Wikipedia, but at German Wikipedia all revisions with [[:en:incitement to ethnic or racial hatred|incitement to ethnic or racial hatred]] are deleted by policy (see [[:de:Hilfe:Versionslöschung|this]]. --[[User:Intforce|'''int'''force]].<span style="font-size:70%">aka.[[User talk:Intforce|weltforce]]</span> 19:39, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
:::Yeah we don't have a policy for that. RevDel is really used sparingly as it can mess up the edit history. Unless its directed at an editor or any other person for that matter it probably isn't up to snuff for revdel. That being said Eptalon went and did it so its gone now. -[[User:Djsasso|DJSasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 19:40, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
::::Thanks for telling me this ;-) --[[User:Intforce|'''int'''force]].<span style="font-size:70%">aka.[[User talk:Intforce|weltforce]]</span> 19:41, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
== Possible violation of Offensive names policy? ==

[[User:Yourballsss]] has a questionable name. Is it bad enough to be considered offensive? --[[User:Auntof6|Auntof6]] ([[User talk:Auntof6|talk]]) 23:52, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

:Blocked, for that and cyberbullying. [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 10:50, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

== GoblinBot4 ==

This bot keeps undoing my revision of Dr. Dre<ref>http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dr._Dre&oldid=3823199</ref>, and I find it very annoying as I have spent nearly an hour editing that article past a stub, but so it;s still informative & dummed down. Please help. K. [[User:Djjazzyb|Djjazzyb]] ([[User talk:Djjazzyb|talk]]) 06:41, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

{{reflist}}

:I have reverted the edit of the bot, so now is your text in the article. -- [[User:Tegel|Tegel]] ([[User talk:Tegel|talk]]) 09:28, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

::Thank you. K. [[User:Djjazzyb|Djjazzyb]] ([[User talk:Djjazzyb|talk]]) 10:30, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
== Reverts by user ==

[[User:Dromeosaur34]] has changed the info on ''[[Tyrannosaurus]]'' three times without giving justification. Not too serious, but someone might give him a bit of attention. [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 06:47, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

:I've warned the user. I'm hesitant, however, to revert his edit on [[WP:V]] grounds, since neither figure is sourced. It would be best if one of you simply found a reliable source to back up your figures. [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 06:57, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
::I've added some text from English wiki, with refs and attrib.  [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 11:12, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
:::User returned again, removed referenced material, and replaced it with his previous stuff. [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 04:53, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Blocked user for 24 hours for edit warring. [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 05:11, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
:This user has returned and continued exactly as before, removing referenced material and substituting his previous text. [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 04:57, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
::I've left the user a message and continued the block. Hopefully it will garner a response this time. [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 03:15, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

== warnings ignored ==

{{ipvandal|86.5.161.217}}

User:86.5.161.217 has repeatedly vandalised and ignored warnings. [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 19:16, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

:I must be blind. Which of the edits are vandalism? I don't see any vandalism. [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 00:25, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
::This one is rather complex. He's been putting up pages like Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa and Galba which are a) incompetent, but more seriously, fairly obvious copyvios. I'm certain these are copy-pastes from a web source, and they were left unwikified, unreferenced and unacknowledged. The first one is still up (with flags), the second is in the Galba history (do see the state the Galba page was left in!). Galba has been reverted back to a redirect. There is other minor stuff, like inserting recursive links, and rushing ahead after he has been told there are problems. He may be someone who can be taught, but he has not communicated, and I sense an obsessive person who needs attention. Anyway, I guess Chip & I will be happy with whatever you decide. [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 05:24, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
:::The user hasn't edited since yesterday, so I reckon any action now would be kind of stale, but wouldn't oppose if any was. I, and some others, were reverting their additions to Galba, a redirect. Macdonald has explained it pretty well. They also added a big picture to the page, somewhere. Guess that was an error in formatting. Slightly disruptive and tedious, but I'll be happy with any action (if any). Best,--[[User:Chip123456|<font color="green">'''''Chip123456'''''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Chip123456|<font color="blue">''Talk''</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Chip123456|<font color="red">''Changes''</font>]]</sub> 17:32, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
::::Okay, but unless there was ''another'' IP talk page to which you gave warnings earlier, then this user hasn't been aware of any of these issues. The only messages on their talk page are top-level warnings for vandalism, and [[:en:WP:NOTVANDAL|this isn't vandalism]]. I see the formatting issues with images on [[Galba]]. I don't see any major copyright problems, although an online search shows the addition to [[Galba]] was taken directly from [[:en:Galba]]. The only thing this user has added to [[Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa]] is an infobox, and the content there doesn't have many of the telltale signs of a copyright infringement.

::::So, I can't take any administrative action. I would recommend educating the user about the proper way to import content from another Wikipedia, and perhaps also request sources if you feel the need. The image formatting just needs a pixel size specified in the markup, so a quick note on that might also be necessary. If the problem with copying and pasting continues after you've brought it up with the user, then I'll step in. [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 03:50, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
:Well, I've started by listing some of the issues, and inviting him to discuss/respond. I'm not quite sure what kind of problem we face, whether it is someone who finds the syntax is beyond him, or someone whose English is so limited he can't appreciate the prose he has brought over, or what. So far, he hasn't communicated with anyone, which is not a good sign. Still, we live in hope... [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 07:48, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
::Thanks, looks very helpful. Unfortunately, I've had to revert the same thing. I've protected the page for now. Hopefully we'll get some kind of response. [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 02:36, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
== Request ==

I would just like to tell you to look at my [[Wikipedia:Requests for Rollback|Rollback]] request.Thanks.[[User:Receptie123|Receptie123]] ([[User talk:Receptie123|talk]]) 14:33, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
:No need to post here about it. Admins will get to it when they get to it. Posting in multiple places is likely to get it denied. -[[User:Djsasso|DJSasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 15:17, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry i didn't know.[[User:Receptie123|Receptie123]] ([[User talk:Receptie123|talk]]) 15:18, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
:No worries, was just trying to say be patient. Other admins may have not acted on it for the same reason I didn't. In that I think you haven't much vandalism work at all and with such a short time here that doesn't help foster a confidence level needed to give it out. I haven't denied the request but I commented on it there. Perhaps another admin will get to it and say one way or the other. Being blocked on en doesn't help either. -[[User:Djsasso|DJSasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 15:21, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

That block is fake,but i don't know how to prove it.[[User:Receptie123|Receptie123]] ([[User talk:Receptie123|talk]]) 15:25, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

== Rights restoration ==

As I am now capable of being active (well, semi-active given my past history.. shouldn't be pushing the same level I have in the past but active enough) and I stepped down in good standing (we don't have a written rule on it just a random mention here and there so defaulting to en: policy on admins stepping down in good standing), I am requesting re-flagging of my previous admin. Admin alone is all I am requesting unless a need is seen for other previous rights (B'crat, CU) to be also included. (Getting the vote #'s for a CU is a bit difficult but since I already passed the vote and am identified with the foundation from the initial vote there is less involved). --<b>[[User:Creol|Creol]]</b><small>([[User_talk:Creol|talk]])</small> 04:28, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

:Welcome back, Creol!!! <tt>:D</tt> [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 04:52, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

:We do actually have a written rule. [[WP:Inactive administrators]]. If you step down and are gone for more than a year you do have to go back through Rfa to show that you know how the wiki has changed in your absence and that you are aware of any new policies/guidelines. When you dropped your admin bit and left I believe it was more than a year between when you left and then edited again with your Creol account. (Jan 2009-May 2012). You are correct that any admin in good standing can ask for their flag back if they have given it up, however, that only applies if they haven't also been gone long enough for our inactivity policy to kick in. -[[User:Djsasso|DJSasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 11:44, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

:While I'd really like to just give you back your mop, I've to agree with Djsasso above. You should go through a RfA. However, that shouldn't be much of a problem, I think. -[[User:Barras|<span style="color:blue; font-family:Bookman Old Style">'''Barras'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Barras|<span style="color:red; font-family:Bookman Old Style">'''talk'''</span>]] 11:58, 17 September 2012 (UTC)


::No big, doesn't really matter if I have it or not. Although, the fun with policies is playing with them. Key point here is that that policy technically does not apply as writen:
::# I was never inactive as an admin. When I went inactive I was no longer an admin. 
::# I have over 100 edits ([http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/70.184.168.201&dir=prev&limit=1400&target=70.184.168.201 1400+] on a self-identified IP) in the last calendar year (2011).
::# I have obviously more than 0 edits in the last 12 months (17K+ edits on Cre alone in the last 12, another traceable 2K+ IP edits)
:: In a nutshell, that policy is about inactive admins, yet I was never an inactive admin. I went from (highly) active admin directly to former admin and then to inactive user. Also, even if I were an inactive admin, the requirements for edits to ''not'' be considered inactive were met.  But that's just playing with what the rule actually says and has little bearing here. Again, no big. --<b>[[User:Creol|Creol]]</b><small>([[User_talk:Creol|talk]])</small> 16:59, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

:::I would note I too think the Rfa would just be a rubber stamp but the community and wiki has changed a lot since you gave up the tools in 2009. But when other admins have asked for the bit back we have said yes or no based on that policy. Because the idea behind the policy for inactive admins is that they will be unaware of the changes that have happened since they were last active. Situation would be the same for you. Probably a spirit of the law vs a letter of the law thing. As for the number of edits etc you had 0 between 2009 and when you came back in 2012 (on your named account) so you would have had your admin rights removed had you not given them up yourself. If we were to just give them back to you no questions asked that would give a giant loophole for people to avoid their losing the flags by giving them up before the Jan 1 deadline and then asking them back during the next year because they would have given them up before they lost them. -[[User:Djsasso|DJSasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 17:25, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

::::Actually, that loophole would not exist as they still could not point to 100 edits they made in the last calendar year. If they only edited 40 times in 2011, stepped down on December 26th, and requested the mop back in April 2012, their last calendar year would still not meet the requirements (and possibly they may not meet the requirements for last 12 months either). While they were not an admin when they went inactive, the second their bit was flipped they became an admin with less than 100 edits in the last calendar year and qualified to have it removed. Spirit/letter is always interesting to deal with as it make the law both flexible and adamant at the same time. Adamant: This is what it says - edit in the last 12 months, 100 edits in the last calendar year. Flexible - It was designed to deal with the mass of admins who got the flag, editted for a while then just wandered off never to be seen again. And just pointing out, I came back on my named account in 2011, not 2012, but this account did not go fully active until a couple weeks later (in 2012). The IPs and my alt account ([[user:Pure Evil|Pure Evil]] -120ish edits in 2011) were active in 2011. But again, request made, request declined, moving on. --<b>[[User:Creol|Creol]]</b><small>([[User_talk:Creol|talk]])</small> 18:00, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
:::::As the main author of the inactive admins policy I can say that it was designed to get-rid of dead-beat admins. I didn't think Creol would have come back and I would personally just give it back to him because he has been active for months now and knows what's changed, but I can understand why no exceptions should be made. I do think this is a time for [[WP:IAR]] and just hand it back. (2p) '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font>]][[User talk:Fr33kman|<font color="blue">man</font>]]''''' 20:16, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
::::::If he had applied through RFA when he posted this, he'd be an admin by now... To be honest, Creol, just go through the process, you'll pass no doubt. But that way it will not set a precedent for any other situations which may arise in the future. Good to have you back! <font face="Comic sans ms"><b>[[user:Yottie|<font color="#000080">Yot</font><font color="#CD0000">tie</font>]]</b></font> <sup><font face="Times new roman">[[user_talk:Yottie|<font color="turquoise">=talk=</font>]]</font></sup> 20:50, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah I would even nominate him if he wants it. I just didn't want an exception made that will cause drama in the future. -[[User:Djsasso|DJSasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 11:56, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
== Pro rape site needs to be deleted ==

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/HowTo:Become_A_Rapist

This site is a joke promoting rape. Rape is not a joke. This site is highly offensive and needs to be removed. URGENT!!!!! <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:D1234|D1234]] ([[User talk:D1234#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/D1234|contribs]]) </small>

:Uncyclopedia has nothing to do with Wikipedia. (Notice that the site name is "Wikia", not "Wikipedia" - it's something different.) We have no control over what goes on there. [[User:Kansan|Kansan]] ([[User talk:Kansan|talk]]) 20:32, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Our administrator [[User:Grunny|Grunny]] ([[Special:EmailUser/Grunny|email]]) might be able to answer this for you, but as Kansan says you should probably just ask directly at Wikia. I think the contact form for Wikia is at [[wikia:community:Special:Contact]]. [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 05:54, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

I seem to have forgotten how to delete a page.  Or maybe only an administrator can do it?  Please delete page [[Gordan Nikolitsch]] (no content and name misspelt) created in error.  Many thanks. [[User:Hikitsurisan|Hikitsurisan]] ([[User talk:Hikitsurisan|talk]]) 17:45, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
:Yes, only administrators can delete pages. I have deleted the page for you. Kind regards, -[[User:Mh7kJ|Mh7kJ]] ([[User talk:Mh7kJ|talk]]) 17:49, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

== Sockpuppet ==

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{{resolved|1=No abuse of multiple accounts, no violation of rules, no administrative action needed for now. [[User:Chenzw|<span style="color:black">Chenzw</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;<font size="1">[[User_talk:Chenzw|<span style="color:black">Talk</span>]]</font>&nbsp; 04:53, 3 October 2012 (UTC)}}
I have a sockpuppet suspect.I think [[user:Ansei]] may be the sockpuppet of [[user:Horeki]].Please look at this case.Best Wishes,[[User:Receptie123|Receptie123]] ([[User talk:Receptie123|talk]]) 18:35, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

===Evidence===
Part of user:Ansei's userpage : Ansei (安政) = "peaceful government"
My username is derived from Ansei (安政?), which was a Japanese era name (年号, nengō, lit. "year name") during the years from 1854 through 1860. The name was created to signal the beginning of a peaceful period.
User:Horeki's old userpage: Horeki (宝暦) = "Valuable Calendar"
My username is derived from Hōreki (宝暦?), which was a Japanese era name (年号, nengō, lit. "year name") during the years from 1751 through 1764. The new era was created to mark the death of the retired Emperor Sakuramachi and the death of the former Shogun Tokugawa Yoshimune.
The nengō Hōreki means "Valuable Calendar" or "Valuable Almanac". This time frame was created retroactively by Emperor Momozono in 1754.\
[[User:Receptie123|Receptie123]] ([[User talk:Receptie123|talk]]) 18:39, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

:OMG, I've also some [[User:Barras (de)|socks]] lying around. It's not forbidden to have multiple accounts as long as they aren't abused. No one really cares, well I don't really care. -[[User:Barras|<span style="color:blue; font-family:Bookman Old Style">'''Barras'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Barras|<span style="color:red; font-family:Bookman Old Style">'''talk'''</span>]] 18:42, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

:We are aware. He was being watched by some admins to see how he uses the new account. If he is using it to avoid scrutiny then it would be a violation of the sock policy. Especially since this would be the second time he had done it here. [[User:Tenmei]] being the first and is the one that he is banned under at en. -[[User:Djsasso|DJSasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 19:08, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

{{outdent}} Please notice that I posted SEMI-RETIRED on the userpage of [[User:Tenmei|Tenmei]] in 2011.  Also, I posted SEMI-RETIRED on [[User:Horeki|Horeki]] yesterday.  These are user names I formally set aside in a manner which is consistent with Wikipedia policies.<p>What I have done -- and why -- was explained on my talk page in 2011.  My reasoning was parsed in specific detail [http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Horeki/Archive_1&oldid=3680006#Hi.2C_and_welcome_.28back.3F.29  here].<p>The change history of [[User:Horeki]] [http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=50&tagfilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Horeki&namespace=&tagfilter=&year=&month=-1  here] is consistent with that what I proposed to do at that time; and the limited change history of [[User:Ansei]] [http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ansei  here] is part of a continuing, long-term investment in our project.  This is made visually clear in the similar graphic layout of the user pages and talk pages.
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<!-- [[File:Kitain-2121.jpg|thumb|right|170px| A ''rakan'' beating a drum at [[:en:Kita-in|Kita-in]], a Buddhist temple in Japan.]] -->
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[[File:Kitain-2077.jpg|thumb|right|170px| A ''rakan'' reading at [[:en:Kita-in|Kita-in]], a Buddhist temple in Japan.]] 
<div class="usermessage plainlinks" width="350"><div class="plainlinks">'''<font color="darkblue">Ansei (安政) = "peaceful government"</font>'''</div></div>

My username is derived from {{nihongo|''[[Ansei]]''|安政|}}, which was a [[Japanese era name]] (年号, ''nengō'', lit. "year name") during the years from 1854 through 1860.  The name was created to signal the beginning of a peaceful period, but it turned out to be a time of great change.

The ''[[nengō]]'' ''Ansei'' means "peaceful government" (庶民安政、然後君子安位矣).
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<div class="usermessage plainlinks" width="350"><div class="plainlinks">'''<font color="darkblue">Horeki (宝暦) = "[[calendar|Valuable Calendar]]"</font>'''</div></div>

My username is derived from {{nihongo|''[[Hōreki]]''|宝暦|}}, which was a [[Japanese era name]] (年号, ''nengō'', lit. "year name") during the years from 1751 through 1764.  The new era was created to mark the death of the retired [[Emperor Sakuramachi]] and the death of the former [[Shogun]] [[Tokugawa Yoshimune]].

The ''[[nengō]]'' ''Hōreki'' means "Valuable Calendar" or "Valuable Almanac". This [[wikt:time frame|time frame]] was created [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/retroactively retroactively] by [[Emperor Momozono]] in 1754.  
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[[File:Kitain-9837.jpg|thumb|right|130px|A [[mudra]] ( मुद्रा ) and a gesture of remembering.]]
<div class="usermessage plainlinks" width="350"><div class="plainlinks">'''<font color="darkblue">Tenmei (天明) = [[dawn]]</font>'''</div></div>

My username is derived from {{nihongo|''[[Tenmei]]''|天明|}}, which was a [[Japanese era name]] (年号, ''[[nengō]]'', lit. "year name") during the years from 1781 through 1789.  The new era marked the beginning of the [[reign]] of {{nihongo|[[Emperor Kōkaku]]|光格天皇|Kōkaku-[[tennō]]}} in 1781.

The ''[[nengō]]'' ''Tenmei'' means "Heavenly Radiance" or "dawn". 
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[[File:ShirakawaPostOffice2.jpg|thumb|right|130px|Daruma in a public place ]]
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===Like a chicken talking to a duck ===
<big>[[Talking past each other]] is like a chicken talking to a duck ([http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E9%B8%A1%E5%90%8C%E9%B8%AD%E8%AE%B2  鸡同鸭讲] or [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E9%9B%9E%E5%90%8C%E9%B4%A8%E8%AC%9B  雞同鴨講]).</big> --[[User:Ansei|Ansei]] ([[User talk:Ansei#top|talk]]) 20:36, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
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[[File:Daruma dolls.jpg|thumb|right|130px|Daruma of [[Shorinzan]] at [[Takasaki, Gunma|Takasaki]] in [[Gunma Prefecture]] ]]
<div class="usermessage plainlinks" width="350"><div class="plainlinks">'''<font color="darkblue">Horeki (宝暦) = "valuable calendar"</font>'''</div></div>
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[[Image:Daruma0791.jpg|thumb|right|130px|[[Daruma]] (達磨).]]
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In the context of this thread, I underscore that the change of name to Ansei draws attention to the phrase "peaceful government".  This signals of an on-going investment in a peaceful working environment.  --[[User:Ansei|Ansei]] ([[User talk:Ansei|talk]]) 21:18, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
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== Multiple names ==

Dear Wikipedia;

Wikipedia has an article about me under "Donald K. Fry." Editors keep saying they don't find current references to me. In 1984, I changed professions, and have mostly written since then under the name "Don Fry." Editors searching for me should use the name "Don Fry." It would also help if the Wikipedia entry made this distinction clear to readers. Thank you.

Don Fry

:That article is on the English Wikipedia; we don't have any articles on any Donald Frys here. Go to [[:en:WP:RM]] and follow the instructions. Although you'll have to contend with the other Don Frys listed at [[:en:Donald Fry]]. [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 02:11, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

== Abuse filter nedds adapting ==

Hello, I think abuse fiter 12 ("upper/lowercase-only") article needs adapting, in the sense that we also want to permit numbers (either with or without spacing in between). I don't have the time to do the adaptation right now, so would be grateful if another admin could do it. --[[User:Eptalon|Eptalon]] ([[User talk:Eptalon|talk]]) 09:39, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
:I don't get it - the filter only matches lowercase-only or uppercase-only article text. If something that is not defined in the filter (eg. numbers) are present it will still not match the rule and the article will not be tagged (ie. allowed). [[User:Chenzw|<span style="color:brown">Chenzw</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;<font size="1">[[User_talk:Chenzw|<span style="color:brown">Talk</span>]]</font>&nbsp; 05:39, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

== Page protection ==

Can someone please protect [[Michael Howe (bushranger)]]?  It's getting quite a bit of vandalism recently.  Thanks. --[[User:Tbennert|Tbennert]] ([[User talk:Tbennert|talk]]) 04:32, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
:{{done}} - Protected for one week, and we will see if a range block is needed if this continues. [[User:Chenzw|<span style="color:#660066">Chenzw</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;<font size="1">[[User_talk:Chenzw|<span style="color:#660066">Talk</span>]]</font>&nbsp; 05:35, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

== 98.207.41.27 ==

The above editor has been adding colours from Boldprintdesign.com's colour chart en masse to existing colour articles. It borders on advertising. While we have been rather tolerant of additions to the colour comparison section in the past (just look at the [[Special:Contributions/98.207.41.27|IP's contribs]] and the page revision history), where exactly do we draw the line between inclusion and non-inclusion? [[User:Chenzw|<span style="color:#CC0000">Chenzw</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;<font size="1">[[User_talk:Chenzw|<span style="color:#CC0000">Talk</span>]]</font>&nbsp; 05:58, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
:One of the biggest issues I see with the addition (aside from the terrible choice of format inherited from many of the color pages) is that certain colors are attributed to just random source. The Xona.com attribs are from a page on a game manufacturers site who took a bunch of color charts and made his own, renaming colors as needed by standards he personally set for them. He even includes "WARNING: This Xona.com color list has modified names, slightly different from the standards found all over the Internet. If you do not wish to use a list with changed names, then DO NOT USE THIS LIST." The Boldprintdesign entries are from a web design company. If the colors are to be listed, they should be from a source that is in some way authoritative. While many of these would likely be companies and corporations, they are often seen as the standard for color definition. Other lists also exist can be use as the basis. X11, Crayola, a dozen major paint manufacturers.. people and companies that deal in color first and foremost, not a guy with spare time on his hands collecting a list for various sources around the internet (unless he ref'd where each entry came from rather than just mentioning a couple lists he used). --<b>[[User:Creol|Creol]]</b><small>([[User_talk:Creol|talk]])</small> 09:34, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

:For the most part, these lists do not add much of anything to the article. In many cases they are actually confusing. When a reader looks at a color and it says it is a yellow-green color(<SPAN STYLE="background-color:#7fff00">Chartreuse</span>), examples of that color should not be blue-green (<SPAN STYLE="background-color:#85EA85">Light Lime Green</span>). Even if the blue-green is listed on some list as a version of the base color, including it in the list is confusing.  Many of these lists do not even list most of these colors as sub-sets of the base. Also, in this case, the Xoma list does not even have an entry for "Light Lime Green" or "Lime Green Light". The color given (#85EA85) is the 2.5 gamma correction version of the color listed as Lime Green so it seems the editor (Kidlat in the case of the Xoma adds) is also making up new names for addition to the list. --<b>[[User:Creol|Creol]]</b><small>([[User_talk:Creol|talk]])</small> 09:34, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

== Needs to rename a page to existing redirect ==

Sir, the article [https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vocal_chords&redirect=no Vocal chords] must be renamed to [https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vocal_cords&redirect=no Vocal cords], but the latter (Vocal cords) is already existing. We have got a discussion at [[Vocal chords#Rename]]. Thanks in advance.<span style="text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.3em 0.2em">···[[User:Vanischenu|'''V<span style="color:green;">ani</span>s<span style="color:green;">che</span>nu''']][[Special:Contributions/Vanischenu|<sup>「m</sup>]]/[[User_talk:Vanischenu|<sub>Talk」</sub>]]</span> 12:22, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
:{{done}} Moved to [[Vocal folds]] as per enwiki. [[User:Pmlineditor|Pmlineditor]] ([[User talk:Pmlineditor|t]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Pmlineditor|c]] '''·''' [[Special:Logs/Pmlineditor|l]]) 12:40, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
::Thank you so much. That is better<span style="text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.3em 0.2em">···[[User:Vanischenu|'''V<span style="color:green;">ani</span>s<span style="color:green;">che</span>nu''']][[Special:Contributions/Vanischenu|<sup>「m</sup>]]/[[User_talk:Vanischenu|<sub>Talk」</sub>]]</span> 13:49, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
== Some help reqd ==

Hello,
I am trying to nominate [[Crime against foreigners in India|this article]] for a second RFD, but I think I have managed to make a mess out of it. Can you please help me fix this?
Here are all related pages-
Previous nomination page - [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_deletion/Requests/2012/Crime_against_foreigners_in_India]]
Current nomination page, manually created by me - [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_deletion/Requests/2012/Crime_against_foreigners_in_India_(2nd_nomination)]]
The page itself - [[Crime against foreigners in India]]

Thanks! :)
[[User:Inamos|Inamos]] ([[User talk:Inamos|talk]]) 20:39, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

:{{fixed}} [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 20:56, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

== Reporting user, again ==

User {{user|86.5.161.217}} has been repeatedly changing dates and reverting corrections after heavy warnings. See Sept 10th to 13th for the last episode. Now as then I feel a block is needed to make him/them take notice. [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 19:16, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
:DOne, free two week block. The kind of vandalism is hard to spot, that is the reason for the long block. --[[User:Eptalon|Eptalon]] ([[User talk:Eptalon|talk]]) 19:59, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

User 86.5.161.217 is back, same offence, same page even -- [[Mark Antony]] and a string of other pages. [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 19:12, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
:Blocked at the next level of 1 month. -[[User:Djsasso|DJSasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 20:28, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
== Michaeldsuarez ==

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This user has been banned indefinitely from English wikipedia, and has landed on our wiki. Can we please ban him indefinitely from our wiki, and make sure every page he has touched gets put back to their previous condition? [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 07:48, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

:While I have little sympathy for Michaeldsuarez, he hasn't committed any blockable offense here yet. His ban on the English Wikipedia is for off-wiki harrassment. There were a few page moves he made today that I didn't really agree with, but it just means that I'll move them back and leave him a note. [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 08:08, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
::Very well, thank you for your reply. I'll just mention that moves of page titles from hyphenated to non-hyphenated is related to the issues of U.S. vs Brit spelling, and should be subject to the same rules. Personally, I think it ominous that his first edits on our wiki were semi-contentious. But we shall see what we shall see... [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]])
:::Yeah the hyphens probably are enough to trigger it in my view. If he continues I would probably block him. That being said Arbcom bans as opposed to community bans have ended up a lower threshold in the past a few times. Some have been carried over immediately without any bad actions on behalf of the user here. But that is a case by case situation and would be IAR. -[[User:Djsasso|DJSasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 12:52, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
::::This is a new user, who is not acquainted with "local custom". Can we at least try to not [[:WP:BITE]]? - If they intend  to cause disruption/trouble we will get more than enough opportunity to get them blocked....--[[User:Eptalon|Eptalon]] ([[User talk:Eptalon|talk]]) 13:15, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
:::::It isn't about local custom. Some issues are the same no matter what wiki a person is on. Leaving things too long has gotten us in trouble in the past. -[[User:Djsasso|DJSasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 13:40, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
::::::What issues would those be? The ones that let you ban people on a whim without any disruptive actions? I really doubt that this guy will cause much damage with his hyphenating names, even if he is ''obviously'' a troll and disruptive editor after being banned on enwiki. [[User:Ajraddatz|Ajraddatz]] ([[User talk:Ajraddatz|talk]]) 13:44, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
:::::::I just meant that some policies don't change because of the wiki the user is on. In other words not simply a case of one wiki does something one way and another wiki does it another way. -[[User:Djsasso|DJSasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 15:17, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

::::::Djsasso has a long history of inappropriately asking for bans without justification, and this has been pointed out over the past 2 years. Either block him for disruption or permanently ignore him. Those are the only two effective options the community has. His behavior was supposed to change before, and it is disappointing to see that he clearly did not keep to his word. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima|talk]]) 15:09, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
:::::::I didn't actually ask for ban if you read my comment. I said if he continues it would likely be appropriate. But it doesn't surprise me that you show up with your usual attacks and disruption. -[[User:Djsasso|DJSasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 15:17, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
::::::::Attacks and disruption? No. You disrupted and you acted inappropriately. You were corrected by the community before. You still continue to act inappropriately. You've driven many people off without due cause. You also manipulated what our policy stated below when it clearly says they have to be doing something that warrants a block. There is clearly no such case, which shows that you do not have our best interest in mind. You were asked to step down before because you lacked clear judgment in such cases. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima|talk]]) 16:18, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::No actually the community has done no such thing. The only person who asked me to step down was you. You are a disruption everywhere you go. Which is why you are treated as not welcome by most wiki communities. You jump into discussions that don't involve you and then throw attacks and incivility around liberally and cause more trouble that just about any user I have ever seen. -[[User:Djsasso|DJSasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 17:03, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::One only need to look at the previous discussion to see that you were overwhelmingly outnumbered and told by multiple people that you were being incredibly inappropriate. Your hostility is consistent and it shows behavioral problems that you are unwilling to fix. Why do you think that your actions are a benefit? Even here, you are horribly outnumbered because you were very, very wrong. Did you admit that and apologize? No, you have attacked everyone. To be honest, the only one who needs to be banned is you. You are a major net loss, with many admin leaving because of the poisonous environment you created. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima|talk]]) 17:41, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::[http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=2281913 Why is this] the same criticism that is repeated whenever Djsasso appears on this board? [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima|talk]]) 17:43, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::::Again you claim I asked for a ban here. I didn't. If you had actually read the discussion would see that. In fact I have stated a few times now that I wasn't. I actually agreed with both Osiris and Eptalon here that we should wait until he did something worth blocking. So again you are attacking for the sake of attacking. You are causing a poisoned environment and discussion like you usually do. Any discussion that you enter inevitably ends up being derailed and worthless. Good job, you have achieved your disruptive goal again. -[[User:Djsasso|DJSasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 17:50, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::::"enough to trigger it in my view." That means you think it was enough to have a ban. If you don't want it to seem as support for a ban, then you should reconsider the language you use. [http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Macdonald-ross The user obviously did not contact Michael or even leave him a note on his user page]. Admin are supposed to look into such things and review all evidence first. You jumped the gun. [http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michaeldsuarez&action=history Nobody ever asked him] to revert the hyphens back. No one ever notified him of a discussion. How is this appropriate behavior? How is this supposed to attract users to edit Simple Wiki? You immediately jumped in about bans elsewhere. Where were you upholding our basic standards of treating people? Where was the welcome? Where was any encouragement to contribute? You accuse others of disruption, but you have done nothing to be welcoming or to Assume Good Faith. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima|talk]]) 18:22, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

:Simple Wiki doesn't ban people for being banned elsewhere. Otherwise, half of the users here would be banned. And Macdonald-ross, you didn't Assume Good Faith at all. Perhaps it wasn't really "contentious"? Did you ever try to see if the hyphens were possibly inappropriate for a beginning English user and he was trying to fix what he saw as a problem? As someone with a long history in British literature and criticism, I haven't seen such brightline rules as you suggest about hyphens. I would think of anything, you have broken most of our rules and a block could be useful to prevent further disruption. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima|talk]]) 15:08, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
::Then you haven't read our block policy because we actually do have a stipulation in it for reciprocal bans. -[[User:Djsasso|DJSasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 15:13, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
{{od}} There's no need to get picky: As I said, if the user '''clearly shows''' blockable behaviour, we block him. We don't block him for being blocked elsewhere. And in the meantime, we don't bite. --[[User:Eptalon|Eptalon]] ([[User talk:Eptalon|talk]]) 15:22, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
:Yeah I completely agree. I just meant that this particular situation wasn't just about being confused about local customs so to speak. -[[User:Djsasso|DJSasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 15:52, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
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== Abuse of scripts by Macdonald-ross ==

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:'''Closing remarks:''' I would wish to remind everyone of [[:en:WP:RETAIN]] - "an article should not be edited or renamed simply to switch from one valid use of English to another." That does not mean that it is not allowed though - if anyone thinks there is a need to do so, please bring it to the article talk page. [[User:Macdonald-ross]] has been reminded about the use of rollback, and I am making the call here to choose to not revoke rights because there is no consensus here to have them removed, and it is my opinion that a removal of such rights will [[WP:IAR|end up being a net negative to the project]].
:Editors are further reminded to remain [[WP:CIVIL]]. Violating a rule is not grounds for the removal of one's right to be treated in a respectful manner. They are also advised to engage each other in a constructive manner '''before''' escalating the dispute to noticeboards (such as this page) to avoid unnecessary redirection of editorial resources. [[User:Chenzw|<span style="color:#CC0000">Chenzw</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;<font size="1">[[User_talk:Chenzw|<span style="color:#CC0000">Talk</span>]]</font>&nbsp; 16:10, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

" 07:39, 15 November 2012‎ Macdonald-ross (talk | changes)‎ m . . (2,757 bytes) (0)‎ . .  Mini-skirt ‎ (Reverted 2 edits by Michaeldsuarez (talk) identified as vandalism to last revision by MerlIwBot. (TW))" [http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mini-skirt&action=history]. 

There was no discussion. There was no leaving a message on a talk page. Changing a hyphen to a non-hyphenated statement cannot be labeled as "vandalism". The user inappropriately used Twinkle when it is not to be used. This is in violation of rollback standards. He never left a message on a talk page or user talk page. He reported someone here without ever entering into a discussion, and labeled something as vandalism that is merely language preference. 

[http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Rollback_feature#When_not_to_use_rollback "Rollback must not be used to remove good-faith changes by other users. If the tool is used wrongly, it will be quickly removed by an administrator."]

As such, I believe it is obvious that Macdonald-ross should immediately have roll back removed until a time he has proven that he can use it appropriately. (Edit: Twinkle uses three kinds of rollback functions, and the reversion by Twinkle is part of rollbacking) [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima|talk]]) 18:28, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
:Hello Ottava Rima. I think it is time to stop now. We are an established community of editors, and MacDonald-ross is among our most valued contributors. He currently has all the rights he needs, and him having those rights makes sense (and to my knolwedge, is supported by the community). Before juming in on an argument about whether a user should (or should not) be blocked today, you contributed/changed a DYK item on the 23rd of May 2012. On the 21st of May you participated in an RFD discussion, you reverted an edit to [[Soggy biscuit]], removing an image, on the 25 September 2011. This was your last "content edit", one of about 25 edits you did in 2011. Wikipedia is a meritocracy, simply accusing people, to create drama does not serve its cause. Improving articles, or providing new articles should have priority over bickering over content-providers as an uninvolved by-stander. -[[User:Eptalon|Eptalon]] ([[User talk:Eptalon|talk]]) 20:36, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
:::Simple Wikipedia is not a meritocracy. I did a lot to work on this community and I still watch it. You really have no right to say I don't have a say here. It is abuse like the above that chased off most of our users. Claiming I accused people to create drama is a major violation of AGF and your whole statement is outright abusive. I advise you to strike it immediately. I have a lot of friends here who have adminship and if you really want, I can ping them right now. It is obvious that there are a lot of problems that grew after many people were chased out of here, and it needs to stop. You can't act that way. Your comment is 100% flat out inappropriate. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima|talk]]) 04:05, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
::::OOOH!!! I want!!. Ping them. Please. Ping all your friends here that are admins. Frankly if they are, they should have seen this already and should be working on an opinion on the matter so poking them to get them in action isn't an issue. Drama has already been started so the more, the merrier.  I'm completely fine with allowing you to set aside the policy on canvasing to bring other admins here to discuss the topic (and I say that with no sarcasm at all). Though I do have to question your statement "T did a lot of work on this community" - Which alt account did you do this work on? (alt accounts are perfectly fine if they aren't used to bypass restrictions, rulings, consensus, votes, etc.. and doesn't seem to be the case in this statement). I ask because if you did lots of work, you certainly didnt do them under this name. 73 main space edits, mostly spread over a 4 month span back in 2010 with 2 acticles created (many of the edits focused there) hardly adds up to a lot. 73 edits is a great afternoon. Its good week.. its an inactive couple months. (on my scale: decent afternoon, slow week, I took a wiki-break). 13% mainspace of under 500 edits is not a lot for a 3 year period. Oh and as to "Accusing people to start drama", the only word I can see arguing there is "to". Why you do it is unknown. You do accuse people (comments about Djsasso above), you do start drama (this entire thread, comments to Eptalon). If you are doing the first to cause the second , the "to", is the only part that is debatable. Clearly, your doing the first is causing the second, its just a question of if you knew or expected that to happen. --<b>[[User:Creol|Creol]]</b><small>([[User_talk:Creol|talk]])</small> 07:22, 16 November 2012 (UTC) 
:::::Really? Numbers of edits are how you judge work? I worked with quite a few users to get the DYK more refined, to have them adjust to Simple English, and to get things flowing. Furthermore, the guidelines and policies dealing with Rollbacks is that it is only to be used in clear cases of vandalism, not content disputes. We are supposed to talk to people before making actions. We are not supposed to demand them be blocked. Additionally, [http://toolserver.org/~tparis/pcount/index.php?name=Ottava+Rima&lang=simple&wiki=wikipedia I have over 500 edits], which is more than many people who run for admin have. Your attitude is really unfortunate and shows a disregard for our policies and procedures. You even stated below "The action taken was a declaration of a user vandalizing wikipedia" so your comments now are contradictory.  [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima|talk]]) 15:10, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
:::::And please look at edits before critiquing. [http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mosque&diff=2207002&oldid=2202352 Edits like these 2] could have been broken down into 20 or so. I make large changes to adjust whole pages. I don't fluff up my edit count so I can then brag about my numbers to win disputes. [http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Machine_code&diff=2191702&oldid=2186868 Another example of large changes] in a few edits. Notice how I did these to help out Eptalon and others get the language to more Simple levels based on vocabulary usage, words per sentence, syllables per words, etc. that our guidelines state. [http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Author%27s_Farce I also have DYK] that is not a tiny page. It was part of a project started on IRC to start Simplifying all of the en.wiki FAs. It stopped because of Djasso's actions, which is why I and others became generally inactive. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima|talk]]) 15:17, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
::::::{{ec}} Just to point out, there's a reason why the "many people" who tried to run for adminship did not have their RFA pass. In the meantime, I will leave Creol to provide a response. [[User:Chenzw|<span style="color:#006600">Chenzw</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;<font size="1">[[User_talk:Chenzw|<span style="color:#006600">Talk</span>]]</font>&nbsp; 15:19, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

::::::Your editing stopped because you never had any intention of helping out simple. You just like to use me as a way to cover for the fact that I called it right, that you never intended to simplify the articles and move them to main space (and still haven't). Everyone is more than aware that you can't chase Ottava Rima away. So to claim I did so is laughable. You showed up after 6 months just to throw around insults. It isn't my actions that chase people away, it is the actions of people who just want to create drama like you clearly do that chase people away. This whole thread and those on various user talk pages you have just posted to are all examples of making for a poisoned environment that chases editors away. They don't want to deal with the drama that people such as yourself create. -[[User:Djsasso|DJSasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 15:27, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

::I just came across this discussion because the Wikipediocracy people were complaining about it. Yet, they have a point, this is stupid. This is over hyphenation, really? But then I came to your comment, Eptalon, and, i'm sorry, but I had to respond. Wikipedia should not be a meritocracy. You don't get to get away with stuff just because you've done good things elsewhere. If someone is abusing Twinkle, then they are abusing Twinkle, end of story. [[User:Silver seren|Silver seren]] ([[User talk:Silver seren|talk]]) 22:31, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

:::I definitely have to agree with you on the response to removing hyphens, and I know Eptalon would as well. I've left a note to Michael on the moves he did, but he hasn't done anything wrong here. If somebody objects to a move, just let them know and revert it. Simple. As for Macdonald-ross, a single instance of misjudgement in using rollback is not "abuse" that requires much of an action besides a quick reminder on what constitutes vandalism. Any revocation of the rollback flag would be uncalled for, and mostly punitive since he was using Twinkle in this instance. If it becomes a long-term issue, then we'll look into it then &ndash; but being lenient towards one of our longest and best content contributors when we only ever have a handful of contributors at any one time? That's just common sense. [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 23:23, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

::::I'm not saying his access to Twinkle should be removed. I agree with you about the single incident verses a long term issue thing, but I was responding more to Eptalon's insinuation that the incident should be ignored because of the good things MacDonald has done and that's wrong. The incident should be properly noted and MacDonald should be told not to do it again. That's the proper way to do things. [[User:Silver seren|Silver seren]] ([[User talk:Silver seren|talk]]) 23:27, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

:In case people can't find it on their own- [http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1247] [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 22:56, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
:::Hello Silver seren, and welcome to our project, should you choose to do content-editing here. What I am saying above is basically that if I have the choice between trusting an editor who has done 500-odd edits in the last three weeks (none of which was problematic), and one where 500 edits go back over 3 years, I personally choose the former. As to put things into perspective: we are talking about reverting 'The ''miniskirt'' or ''mini-skirt'' is a skirt well above the knees...' to 'The ''mini-skirt'' or ''miniskirt'' is a skirt well above the knees...'; On 18th August the page was at ''mini-skirt'', so it is logical that the version with the hyphen is listed first. Michaeldsuarez moved the page and adapted the order of the two terms. Since one redirects to the other, the move wasn't strictly needed. For this reason, the subsequent re-ordering and renaming is no abuse of powers. (And no, I don't want to get into arguments over British vs. American spelling, or word frequency analyses). -[[User:Eptalon|Eptalon]] ([[User talk:Eptalon|talk]]) 23:30, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
::::No, the perspective is wrong. this is not talking about reverting. It wasn't a revert. (well, it is..  but only in the most technical sense) The action taken was a declaration of a user vandalizing wikipedia and a user right being used in a way which is against the appropriate guideline. As this discussion moved on, it has also expanded into the fact that established users can pretty much do what they want as long as its only once in a while.  I'm am not saying remove the flag or any such stuff, but a note that it shouldn't have been done is certainly not out of order. It certainly does not need an AN discussion but he did make a mistake, it is a violation of guideline. No one is above being pointed out when they slip up. I slip up, someone should tell me. I would expect others to be as accepting of criticism when they make a mistake. Especially when that mistake is claiming someone is vandalizing when they are not. Someone posts an edit summary that an edit of mine was vandalism (when it wasn't) you can be certain that I would not take that well. --<b>[[User:Creol|Creol]]</b><small>([[User_talk:Creol|talk]])</small> 03:04, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
{{od}} I just want to put it on the record that [[:en:WP:RETAIN]] applies in this dispute. Yes, the move itself was uncalled for ('''not''' against guideline or policy), and while [[User:Macdonald-ross]] has a right to dispute that change (per [[:en:WP:RETAIN]]), using Twinkle's rollback and identifying it as "vandalism" is also uncalled for. He has since been [[User talk:Macdonald-ross/Archive 8#My AN comment|informed]] of his mistake, and the article has been [https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mini-skirt&diff=3961570&oldid=3961545 reverted to its "pre-change" version]. Osiris' move of the article back to its old title is a valid move per [[:en:WP:RETAIN]], and that there is no compelling reason for '''anyone''' to move the article again (or any article, for that matter) to a title of one with a different variety of English. [[User:Chenzw|<span style="color:brown">Chenzw</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;<font size="1">[[User_talk:Chenzw|<span style="color:brown">Talk</span>]]</font>&nbsp; 07:14, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
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