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== Username change ==

If I get a username change on this wiki will it mess up my SUL? I reckon I'll need Eptalon's help on this one but an admin might now... so please help if you do. Cheers. [[User:The Flying Spaghetti Monster|<font color="orange">'''''FSM '''''</font>]][[User_talk:The Flying Spaghetti Monster|<font color="red">'''''<small><sup>Noodly?</sup></small>'''''</font>]] 16:02, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
:You should have it changed everywhere, otherwise SUL won't work. '''[[User:Majorly|<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#B05427">Majorly</span>]]''' <sup>''[[User talk:Majorly|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]''</sup> 16:04, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
::Well, yes and no. If you change it, get it changed everywhere as Majorly said, and then re-unify. Don't do it  the other way round because then you can't be renamed everywhere else. Cheers, '''<font face="Verdana">[[User:Bluegoblin7|<font color="#354A98">Go</font><font color="#435BB3">b</font>]][[User talk:Bluegoblin7|<font color="#516BC9">l</font><font color="#95A9F4">i</font><font color="#9FB1F0">n</font>]]</font>''' 16:12, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

== Deleting pages ==

A quick question: when I delete a page then I lose the username/ip adress of the person who created it. Is this right? It makes it hard to leave a message on their talk page. Am I doing this right, or should I leave the message first, then delete? [[User:Peterdownunder|Peterdownunder]] ([[User talk:Peterdownunder|talk]]) 11:27, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:You won't lose it. You can see the IP on the undelete page. It doesn't matter whether you delete first or warn first. [[User:Chenzw|<span style="color:brown">Chenzw</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;<font size="1">[[User_talk:Chenzw|<span style="color:brown">Talk</span>]]</font>&nbsp; 11:33, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks, I knew I must have been looking in the wrong spot.--[[User:Peterdownunder|Peterdownunder]] ([[User talk:Peterdownunder|talk]]) 11:36, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

== Spambot on the loose ==

Just a heads up to people encountering anons creating such an article:
{{quote|
*1. A rich mummy, usually green or bald.
*2. To overbreak toes, i.e. to put a cat into a fish or into a dog.
*3. To stab an elephant with a nostril.}}

This is a spambot, and should be blocked on sight. [[User:Chenzw|<span style="color:#CC0000">Chenzw</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;<font size="1">[[User_talk:Chenzw|<span style="color:#CC0000">Talk</span>]]</font>&nbsp; 12:33, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

:Yep, I already do. '''[[User:Majorly|<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#B05427">Majorly</span>]]''' <sup>''[[User talk:Majorly|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]''</sup> 14:47, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

::I found an IP that created a page such as the one listed above and have listed it on the ViP page.  [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 17:07, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

== Revert IP edits? ==

An anon IP user, {{ipvandal|24.16.56.60}} has been making tons of edits to [[List of colors]] ([http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_colors&action=history Revision history]). I'm not sure wether it is vandalism, spam, a test edit(s), or a good-faith edit. He has been editing the page since Feb. 2. So I thought the admins might be able to decide on this. This is the revision before the IP user started editing the page.[http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_colors&oldid=1329913] --[[Special:Emailuser/Snake311|§]] [[User:Snake311|<span style="color:green">Snake</span>]]'''[[Special:Contributions/Snake311|<span style="color:black">311</span>]]''' <sub>([[User talk:Snake311|<span style="color:blue">I'm Not Okay!</span>]])</sub> 20:28, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

:They've messed the article up for certain. Might be best just to revert right back. '''[[User:Majorly|<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#B05427">Majorly</span>]]''' <sup>''[[User talk:Majorly|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]''</sup> 20:30, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
::{{done}} --[[Special:Emailuser/Snake311|§]] [[User:Snake311|<span style="color:green">Snake</span>]]'''[[Special:Contributions/Snake311|<span style="color:black">311</span>]]''' <sub>([[User talk:Snake311|<span style="color:blue">I'm Not Okay!</span>]])</sub> 20:36, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

== Flood flag enabled ==

Administrators can now grant themselves the flood flag, which works in the same way as a bot flag: hides your edits from recent changes. Accessible through [[Special:UserRights]]. Best, <font face="Arial"> [[User:PeterSymonds|<font color="#02e">Peter</font><font color="#02b"><b>Symonds</b></font>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:PeterSymonds|<font color="#02e">talk</font>]])</font> 21:25, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

:Have a look [[WP:ST#Flood Flag|here]]. Thats more interesting. --[[User:Barras|bar]][[User talk:Barras|ras]] 13:55, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

== Email abuse ==

I've been getting dozens of threat e-mails from {{user|Opinionss}} (as well as weird emails from wiki asking me to confirm password changes). I disabled e-mail on his account a while ago, so I'd appreciate if another admin could look into it. Thanks, &ndash;[[User:Juliancolton|Juliancolton]] ([[User talk:Juliancolton|talk]]) 04:57, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
:You had no involvement with that user whatsoever. I think it is just a one-off case; an email block should suffice. [[User:Chenzw|<span style="color:brown">Chenzw</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;<font size="1">[[User_talk:Chenzw|<span style="color:brown">Talk</span>]]</font>&nbsp; 10:25, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

== Wikproject on how to create sock puppets. ==

I just deleted a "wikiproject" on how to be a sock without getting caught at [[User:Kalajan/templates]]. Makes you wonder whose puppet Kalajan is. Too bad you can't use checkuser without evidence of who the puppetmaster is. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 15:49, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

:See [[:en:User:Kalajan]] and the block log. Speaks for itself really. :) <font face="Arial"> [[User:PeterSymonds|<font color="#02e">Peter</font><font color="#02b"><b>Symonds</b></font>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:PeterSymonds|<font color="#02e">talk</font>]])</font>
::I am a little slow today, normally I check that and hadn't even thought to do it this time. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 15:50, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

:::Hah, no problem. I went over there because I thought it was an admin, so I was confused. Must've got two names mixed up. <font face="Arial"> [[User:PeterSymonds|<font color="#02e">Peter</font><font color="#02b"><b>Symonds</b></font>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:PeterSymonds|<font color="#02e">talk</font>]])</font> 15:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

::::Yup looks like another sockpuppet refugee. [[:en:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/YoMamma6188/Archive]] -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 17:15, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

He has now created an [[User:Kalajan/Will Never Know|essay]] essentially about the same topic minus the step by step process of how to do it. I am debating if its a valid QD since its in userspace. I think the topic is contrary to what should be on wiki. So how far does essay status in user space reach. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 16:16, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

:QD it, even if it is in his userspace because he is clearly trying to be disruptive.  [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 16:19, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

::Yeah thats what I want to do but I want a second admins opinion. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 16:21, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

:::My opinion doesn't count, even though I am not an admin?  :( [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 16:22, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

::::You opinion counts. But you can't push the button to do it. :p -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 16:23, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

:::::If it were the Simple English Wiktionary I could ;). [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 16:25, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

::::::No, wait, let us not start off on the wrong foot. I copied the essay from and en.wiki admin {{user|Chrislk02}}. Lets just stay away from this. It was just a stupid idea that ran through my head. '''<span style="border: 2px black solid;background:Red;font-family:Chiller;">&nbsp;[[User:Kalajan|<font color="white">←Kala</font>]][[User talk:Kalajan|<font color="white">jan→</font>]]&nbsp;</span>''' 17:37, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

(un)I think that the essay should not be deleted yet. It actually only states facts. If it gives any indication on how to get round the blocks then it should be deleted. But currently it is only a few sentences on how blocking works. [[user:kennedy|<font color="#800000" face="lucida handwriting">Kennedy</font>]] <sup>([[user_talk:kennedy|<font color="#800000">talk</font>]]) </sup> 19:27, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

: Here is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Chrislk02/Will_Never_Know the original essay]. The comedy is that Chrislk02 wrote the essay [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Chrislk02&diff=269628553&oldid=269618525 in response] to dealing with the steady flow of sockpuppets that got Kalajan perma-blocked from en. [[User:Precious Roy|Precious Roy]] ([[User talk:Precious Roy|talk]]) 11:31, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
::Well an essay can always be used here too. '''<span style="border: 2px black solid;background:Red;font-family:Chiller;">&nbsp;[[User:Kalajan|<font color="white">←Kala</font>]][[User talk:Kalajan|<font color="white">jan→</font>]]&nbsp;</span>''' 15:00, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

== Propose temporary semi-protection for Alex Rodriguez ==

Hi there all.  Because of the Alex Rodriguez scandal that is in the news right now, I would like to propose that his article here be semi-protected temporarily for a period of a few days as both a preventative measure and because I know that there will be vandalism to his article here.  Thanks, [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 16:25, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

:It's fine right now, but I'll keep an eye on it. Thanks, <font face="Arial"> [[User:PeterSymonds|<font color="#02e">Peter</font><font color="#02b"><b>Symonds</b></font>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:PeterSymonds|<font color="#02e">talk</font>]])</font> 16:26, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

::Yep, I agree that no protection is needed right now, but because he is in the news, I just thought that there might be an increase in vandalism to his page.  Cheers, [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 16:27, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

== Our Pakistan friend... ==

Take a look at [[Special:Contributions/195.195.131.164|this]]. Is it alright to add a coat of arms just like that? I checked the MoS on EN but can't seem to find anything about it. They only mentioned flags. [[User:Chenzw|<span style="color:#660066">Chenzw</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;<font size="1">[[User_talk:Chenzw|<span style="color:#660066">Talk</span>]]</font>&nbsp; 13:31, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:I think this coat of arms aren't neccessary because there are the flags of the states in the box at the right handsite. It doesn't look nice at the top of an article. --[[User:Barras|bar]][[User talk:Barras|ras]] 13:36, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::It doesn't add anything does it, not even an explanation is being given to aid the reader. I was considering rollbacking when you posted this. '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 13:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::But we can't go on rollbacking him. Is someone able to post a message on his talk page? I don't know how to tell him about it (breach of policy? disruption?). [[User:Chenzw|<span style="color:brown">Chenzw</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;<font size="1">[[User_talk:Chenzw|<span style="color:brown">Talk</span>]]</font>&nbsp; 13:39, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I've added a message if you'd like to review it. '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 13:46, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::You were faster than I. I added a message too. --[[User:Barras|bar]][[User talk:Barras|ras]] 13:48, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::(ec) They are good enough. Now we just sit back and watch (and take action if necessary). This particular editor is notable for ignoring messages. [[User:Chenzw|<span style="color:#660066">Chenzw</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;<font size="1">[[User_talk:Chenzw|<span style="color:#660066">Talk</span>]]</font>&nbsp; 13:49, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::If he doesn't stop so wen can interpret his contibutions as vandalism. --[[User:Barras|bar]][[User talk:Barras|ras]] 13:52, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::I think we have to stop this. He/she is not adding <nowiki>{{enwp based}}</nowiki> tags to the talk page and is '''not''' rewording for Simple English, therefore these additions (new) are not helpful and can be QD G12, or what ever if the rule for direct, unreformated cut and paste from en:!! '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 13:56, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:Seems to have calmed down a bit, but Razorflame just undid a POV push in Kashmir '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 14:41, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::I am slowly but surely going through his clear copy and paste jobs. Can't keep letting him just copy articles over like that. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 14:43, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Just to let everyone know: posting something on their talk page is generally not the problem; the problem is more that their talk page either gets ignored, or that they have issues understanding what is written there. User active here and on EnWP; hasn't created an account, and I am not aware of them ever replying to a message. Went through a number of blocks, and is usually back shortly after the block. Ideas appreciated; for precedents look through the admin noticeboard history. Known to operate from 3 or 4 ip address (ranges); some of them are shared by many users.--[[User:Eptalon|Eptalon]] ([[User talk:Eptalon|talk]]) 16:17, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Totally agree that warnings are probably useless, but at least they understand that someone is watching :-) (The good natured person in me has to try) :-) '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 16:26, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
(<-) Something else: Editor is currently the only one editing Kashmir/Pakistan related topics (Bangladesh/India-related one one or two occasions), to my knowledge; and easily recognisable by that. --[[User:Eptalon|Eptalon]] ([[User talk:Eptalon|talk]]) 16:21, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:Can we isolate the exact ranges that he edits from so that we could block those specific ranges?  We could range block for a period of time and allow account creation (because I doubt that he will create an account, and it allows others who use the IP addresses to create accounts)?  Otherwise, I guess that we could always just block on sight for all IP addresses that edit Pakistan articles solely.  Would either of these proposals work?  Cheers, [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 16:33, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::I don't think that would be worthwhile; at least one of them is a "school" of sorts, we do not want to block a school because of one disruptive editor. As for the others, yes we know the ranges, but again, range blocks are out of the question (possible collaterals, need to check, inappropriate to have a range-block for one editor). --[[User:Eptalon|Eptalon]] ([[User talk:Eptalon|talk]]) 17:15, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::What about we institute a kind of block on sight for any IP address that the Pakistan editor uses from now on?  If range blocks are out of the question, then the only thing that we can do is adopt a block on sight policy for any IPs making mass edits to Pakistan-related articles.  Would this work?  [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 17:18, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

== Vandal-Used last warning ==

[[User talk:198.20.32.1]] '''<span style="border: 2px black solid;background:Red;font-family:Chiller;">&nbsp;[[User:Kalajan|<font color="white">←Kala</font>]][[User talk:Kalajan|<font color="white">jan→</font>]]&nbsp;</span>''' 16:53, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:The IP hasn't made changes in several months. No action is necessary. &ndash;[[User:Juliancolton|Juliancolton]] ([[User talk:Juliancolton|talk]]) 16:55, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::Why defend him, he vandalizes pages and dosen't listen to warnings. '''<span style="border: 2px black solid;background:Red;font-family:Chiller;">&nbsp;[[User:Kalajan|<font color="white">←Kala</font>]][[User talk:Kalajan|<font color="white">jan→</font>]]&nbsp;</span>''' 16:56, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I think you're missing the point. The IP's last changes were in ''September''. &ndash;[[User:Juliancolton|Juliancolton]] ([[User talk:Juliancolton|talk]]) 16:59, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::He vandalized about 5 mins ago. Are we in september? Quite cold huh? XP '''<span style="border: 2px black solid;background:Red;font-family:Chiller;">&nbsp;[[User:Kalajan|<font color="white">←Kala</font>]][[User talk:Kalajan|<font color="white">jan→</font>]]&nbsp;</span>''' 17:00, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::[http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=198.20.32.1&namespace=&year=&month=-1 Huh?] &ndash;[[User:Juliancolton|Juliancolton]] ([[User talk:Juliancolton|talk]]) 17:02, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::I agree with Juliancolton here.  We only block vandals if they have made significant vandalism to this site within the past 48 to 72 hours, not the past 3-4 months.  Read [[Wikipedia:Vandalism]] first before posting anything about vandalism again.  [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 17:03, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yeah I just realized. But at recent changes there was a link directing to his talk page. Dunno. '''<span style="border: 2px black solid;background:Red;font-family:Chiller;">&nbsp;[[User:Kalajan|<font color="white">←Kala</font>]][[User talk:Kalajan|<font color="white">jan→</font>]]&nbsp;</span>''' 17:04, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::And IP addresses can be shared by millions of people, remember [[User:Soup Dish|Soup Dish]] ([[User talk:Soup Dish|talk]]) 17:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Right. G'day! '''<span style="border: 2px black solid;background:Red;font-family:Chiller;">&nbsp;[[User:Kalajan|<font color="white">←Kala</font>]][[User talk:Kalajan|<font color="white">jan→</font>]]&nbsp;</span>''' 17:11, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
== Proposal for the ban of Kalajan ==

Hi there all.  While I believe that not everyone might agree with me on this, I would like to propose that we ban Kalajan from the Simple English Wikipedia for either a year or indefinitely.  Ever since he or she (don't know what gender) has arrived on the Simple English Wikipedia, he has been nothing but a nuisance and has been a major disruption for the whole project.  Furthermore, he has gotten completely out of line a number of times and I believe that enough is enough.  Editors have tried to point him in the right direction, however, none of these attempts have been successful, and I highly doubt that a mentoring program here would work.  Also, I worry about the current state of the Wikipedia, and I do not think that this editor is right for this project at this time.  He has done nothing but stir up drama everyone he goes, and drama is something that we do not need on this Wikipedia at this point in time.  Anyone else agree or disagree with what I have stated so far?  [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 20:02, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

*'''Support''' [http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ASimple_talk&diff=1358201&oldid=1358186 great minds and all...] [[User:Soup Dish|Soup Dish]] ([[User talk:Soup Dish|talk]]) 20:03, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

*{{support}} - for reason see my talk page. --[[User:Barras|bar]][[User talk:Barras|ras]] 20:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

*{{support}} Agree with the above. I'm not happy at all with this user. '''[[User:Majorly|<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#B05427">Majorly</span>]]''' <sup>''[[User talk:Majorly|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]''</sup> 20:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

*'''Support''' I have been trying hard to AGF on this one since its clear people here believe in giving banned en users a second chance. But I really don't know about this one. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 20:10, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

*{{comment}} - How many votes are needed for consensus here? <font face="Comic sans ms"><b>[[user:Yotcmdr|<font color="#000080">Yot</font><font color="#CD0000">cmdr</font>]]</b></font> <sup><font face="Times new roman">[[user_talk:Yotcmdr|<font color="turquoise">=talk to the commander=</font>]]</font></sup> 20:10, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

:This is not a vote... '''[[User:Majorly|<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#B05427">Majorly</span>]]''' <sup>''[[User talk:Majorly|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]''</sup> 20:12, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::I echo that, all that really needs to happen is for an admin to see there is a desire for the community for a long/indef block. Admins have already been given the ability to make a call on these sorts or things. Asking the community here is mostly just a good will gesture so to speak to make sure the community supports it before they do it themselves. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 20:15, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:Votes are also evil according to Meta ;). This is to gauge community consensus on the situation.  Currently, while there are indeed 4 votes in support of this proposal, it does not encompass the entire community's feelings on this issue.  Cheers, [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 20:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC)


*'''Support''' We need to dispel the idea that Simple English Wikipedia is where all the banned users can hang out and roam free with their behaviour. This sort of behaviour from Kalajan is getting out of hand. Sorry, but either you clearly don't know what Wikipedia is for, or you're deliberately wasting our time. Either way, I'm not happy with your behaviour. <font face="Arial"> [[User:PeterSymonds|<font color="#02e">Peter</font><font color="#02b"><b>Symonds</b></font>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:PeterSymonds|<font color="#02e">talk</font>]])</font> 20:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

*{{Support|Weak}} - He's annoying, but there have been worse editors here who have not been banned. Suggest it's snowing...  [[user:kennedy|<font color="#800000" face="lucida handwriting">Kennedy</font>]] <sup>([[user_talk:kennedy|<font color="#800000">talk</font>]])</sup> 20:14, 12 February 2009 (UTC)


{{support}} - A low percentage of mainspace edits and persistant badgering of people to look at his essay. And as a side note they appear to have signatures on their user page of users that do not exist.... [[User:The Flying Spaghetti Monster|<font color="orange">'''''FSM '''''</font>]][[User_talk:The Flying Spaghetti Monster|<font color="red">'''''<small><sup>Noodly?</sup></small>'''''</font>]] 20:15, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

*{{support}} - Sorry, but I've tried '''loads''' with this editor and even suggested adoption. I've given Kalajan all the instructions and information that he/she needs to state editing in mainspace, but they only seem interested in disrupting the board. I've washed my hands of them! '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 20:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

*{{support}} - Needs to be indef, we're not the second chance wiki. Cheers, [[User:RockManQ|RockManQ]] <sup>[[User talk:RockManQ|(talk)]]</sup> 22:21, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
*{{support|strong}} I have tried everything with this user. It's '''amazing''' that I'm still not insane. '''<font face="Verdana">[[User:SimonKSK|<font color="black"><small>Simon</small></font>]]<sup>[[User talk:SimonKSK|<span style="color:#060;">KSK</span>]]</sup></font>''' 22:23, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
=== Break ===
Ok, now that we seem to be on the same page, how long should the block/ban be: 1 year of indefinitely?  [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 20:17, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

*Do you really think that he is a better user in one year? I think no. --> indefinite. --[[User:Barras|bar]][[User talk:Barras|ras]] 20:18, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

*{{Done}} - Indef. Per consensus above. [[user:kennedy|<font color="#800000" face="lucida handwriting">Kennedy</font>]] <sup>([[user_talk:kennedy|<font color="#800000">talk</font>]]) </sup> 20:20, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

=== Proposal ===
I saw no words that said indef or a year or whatever. Now, first of all. I also am trying with this user but my efforts have only begun when the community started this discussion, I would like a little more time to try to turn him around, Please. I believe I can do, and since the user seems to have an interest in wrestling I believe I and [[User:SimonKSK|Simon]] can be a [[Tag team]], if after a while I believe it can't be done, I will support this users ban for a period of a year to turn around. I see promise in this user, and I do have strong beliefs that this user can be turned around with mentoring. Thoughts?--&nbsp;<font face="Arial Rounded MT Bold">[[User:ChristianMan16|<font color="#003399">†&nbsp;<font color="#0033FF">C<font color="#0066FF">M</font>1</font>6</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:ChristianMan16|t]] [[Special:Contributions/ChristianMan16|<sub>c</sub>]] [[Wikipedia:Editor review/ChristianMan16/3|r]]</sup></font> 20:40, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:No, I highly doubt that any sort of mentorship with this user will work.  This user just isn't right for this project, and I highly doubt that he ever will. [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 20:42, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::Nope, I don't agree. 99% of the problems this wiki has is from continuing to give people multiple chances. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 20:43, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Couldn't agree more with Djsasso. [[user:kennedy|<font color="#800000" face="lucida handwriting">Kennedy</font>]] <sup>([[user_talk:kennedy|<font color="#800000">talk</font>]]) </sup> 20:45, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::He showed up on the [http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Kalajan 10th ('''2 days ago''')] and your ready to ban him already?! That's hardly the second chance we're known to give he should at least get one more week to turn around. then propose the ban.--&nbsp;<font face="Arial Rounded MT Bold">[[User:ChristianMan16|<font color="#003399">†&nbsp;<font color="#0033FF">C<font color="#0066FF">M</font>1</font>6</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:ChristianMan16|t]] [[Special:Contributions/ChristianMan16|<sub>c</sub>]] [[Wikipedia:Editor review/ChristianMan16/3|r]]</sup></font> 20:47, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Considering all of the disturbances that this user has given this community already, I highly doubt that he will change over the next week.  [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 20:48, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::He's has done things wrong yes, but he has ''not'' done enough wrong to warrant a ban after two day, If y'all had done the same with me, I hate the thought of it, and Razor you tried it. Why is he any different? He should get the full week,they're not called surprises for nothing.--&nbsp;<font face="Arial Rounded MT Bold">[[User:ChristianMan16|<font color="#003399">†&nbsp;<font color="#0033FF">C<font color="#0066FF">M</font>1</font>6</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:ChristianMan16|t]] [[Special:Contributions/ChristianMan16|<sub>c</sub>]] [[Wikipedia:Editor review/ChristianMan16/3|r]]</sup></font> 20:50, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::I also think its that attitude that is part of this wikis problem. We have a reputation for letting bad editors come here and run amuck without consequences. We need to curb that opinion of this wiki or it will never grow. This is the very reason many respectable editors don't come to this wiki. I have had more than a few people display utter shock that me and a few others here actually edit here because of how rediculous things get here. Since we are in a period of change I think its time to start making sure that we can do things to get rid of that attitude that we are here to fix bad editors. That isn't what we are here to do, we are here to build an encyclopedia in simple english. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 20:51, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::Couldn't have said it better myself, Djsasso.  Cheers, [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 20:53, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Yep. We need to stop being pushovers on editors like this. This wiki is not a second chance wiki. It's not rehab. Either you can edit sensibly or you can't. '''[[User:Majorly|<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#B05427">Majorly</span>]]''' <sup>''[[User talk:Majorly|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]''</sup> 20:54, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Agree '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 20:56, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:CM16, my efforts have been going on since they got here almost; forget it. I honestly think that Kalajan didn't want to partake. You were a different story, you really and truly wanted to change (and you did it). I recently gave all the information of how to get going in mainspace with some articles and it just wasn't taken on board. I'm like you; I believe in second chances, I think many of us here do; but I saw no way forwards with this user. '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 20:55, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::It absolutely sickens me that a user like FastReverter got a several chances over a period over 6 months and this user makes several small mistakes and get banned after two days. This is highly hypocritical of us. But fine. he's banned. And I ''never'' said let him run amuck, Djsasso, I said let him have mentoring over a week to let him have a chance to turn around.--&nbsp;<font face="Arial Rounded MT Bold">[[User:ChristianMan16|<font color="#003399">†&nbsp;<font color="#0033FF">C<font color="#0066FF">M</font>1</font>6</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:ChristianMan16|t]] [[Special:Contributions/ChristianMan16|<sub>c</sub>]] [[Wikipedia:Editor review/ChristianMan16/3|r]]</sup></font> 21:01, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Ty, btw, Fr33kman.--&nbsp;<font face="Arial Rounded MT Bold">[[User:ChristianMan16|<font color="#003399">†&nbsp;<font color="#0033FF">C<font color="#0066FF">M</font>1</font>6</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:ChristianMan16|t]] [[Special:Contributions/ChristianMan16|<sub>c</sub>]] [[Wikipedia:Editor review/ChristianMan16/3|r]]</sup></font> 21:01, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Again, I definitely think that mentorship would not work with this user. [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 21:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Agree, tried it; didn't care. CM16: You're welcome '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 21:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::Tried it too. Didn't care at en. I guess it was my fault, cause I told him to come here, so he can shape up. Silly me. '''<font face="Verdana">[[User:SimonKSK|<font color="black"><small>Simon</small></font>]]<sup>[[User talk:SimonKSK|<span style="color:#060;">KSK</span>]]</sup></font>''' 21:18, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Where's me stick! :-) '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 21:31, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Well that is the point CM. Because we gave FastReverter so many chances it is clear that giving users chances without being "strict" for a lack of a better word isn't working. We are like parents who only ever tell their children they better behave or else and then never do anything about it, eventually the children learn they are empty threats. We need to stop giving chances when its clear they aren't going to be listened to. I know you never said run all over the place, but he already has run all over the place after being warned many times so the warnings he ignored were his chances. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 02:15, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
(Outdent for sanity) As someone who tried to work with Kalajan on EN, I eventually had to throw up my hands. Even when he says he listens to the advice others give him, he never follows it and does what he prefers. I had doubts that he would turn around after several of his blocks were overturned or reduced. It was inevitable. [[User:Hazardous Matt|Hazardous Matt]] ([[User talk:Hazardous Matt|talk]]) 21:24, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:Precisely my experience here. (Personally, I'm done with this discussion now, too many cycles and the users disrupted us enough) '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 21:31, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

And wouldn't you know it one of his suspected sock puppets [[User:Sinofdreams]] shows up when he gets blocked. Probably using a proxy since he is daring us to do a checkuser on him. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 02:19, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:Well I have blocked this puppet as well, since it showed up again right after I blocked a different obvious puppet which showed up right after we protected his talk page. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 18:08, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

== Reversion of edits ==

OK, could someone tell me why [http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grand_Olympic_Auditorium&diff=next&oldid=1358564 this edit] was reverted? It looks (relatively) legitimate to me, apart from tweaking the grammar. Thanks, [[User:Microchip08|MC8]] ([[User talk:Microchip08|talk]]) 19:04, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:Years shouldn't be linked. And the previous version was simpler is my guess. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 19:24, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
::Perhaps you'd be best asking Fr33kman instead of WP:ANI? [[user:kennedy|<font color="#800000" face="lucida handwriting">Kennedy</font>]] <sup>([[user_talk:kennedy|<font color="#800000">talk</font>]]) </sup> 19:36, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I made [http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grand_Olympic_Auditorium&diff=1358645&oldid=1358564 this] revert (although I mis-clicked <tt>rollback</tt> when I meant to click <tt>undo</tt> and then provide an edit summary to explain. I was "undo"ing it because, as Djsasso said, the previous version was simpler (ceremony is not a BE850/1500 word) and we don't link dates. I admit it was supposed to be undo, but once clicked rollback does its thing without asking for further information. Since the net result was the same, I left it. I did, however, assume good faith, which is why I [http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gohomegos&diff=1358649&oldid=1310559 explained] the situation about complex English to the new user rather than using a warning or notice tag (which could have been done as chaning from simple English to complex is against policy). Sorry if it caused offense, but in my defense it was the first mis-click with rollback I've ever had anywhere :) '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 19:48, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
: It seems fr33kman wants to follow the rules, but he is overdoing them, there IS NO RULE LINKS TO DATES ARE ILLEGAL, I have no problem with simple english but words like celebrities and ceremony ARE SIMPLE ENGLISH, but I did not revert them, I did fix CHRISTIAN KOREAN CHURCH, capital letters, is proper grammar. I also asked mr. fr33kman to look into rudolph valentino american-italian actor word  but  he is not responding, that is a legitimate edit!
::Could [http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Fr33kman&diff=1360371&oldid=1360361 this] be the case? I think I may have been accused of being a vandal by [[User:Gohomegos]] [http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gohomegos&diff=1360365&oldid=1360362 here]. Perhaps an admin could look into this? Thank you! '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 20:54, 13 February 2009 (UTC) 
: It seems this user is working with somebody else, i did not accuse him of beinig vandal but revereting things out of the blue is vandalism, he removed all year links, ok, if that is the stupid rule but then he should have taken away link to 1924 to be fair!
::Yes there is a rule that dates should not be linked out of context like you did in that article. As for not unlinking the other, he may just not have noticed. Secondly the word celebrity and ceremony are not really simple english. I think you need to calm down a bit. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 21:00, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
::Anyone who has had the pleasure of deaing with [[User:Freddy|Freddy]] should recognize his traits: calling anyone who disagrees with him a vandal, defending his work by saying "duh" a lot, poor command of the English language, accusations of conspiracies against him, fixation on boxing topics, insistence that a variety of historical figures were poisoned, etc. Look at the variety of edits made by [[User:Roadd|Roadd]], [[User:Errorswhat|Errorswhat]], [[User:Ototruth|Ototruth]], [[User:Freakshows|Freakshows]], and many others, which should show he has a history of disruptive, poorly written edits and block evasion.[[User:MKil|MKil]] ([[User talk:MKil|talk]]) 21:06, 13 February 2009 (UTC)MKil

User:Gohomegos is confirmed to be a sockpuppet of banned user Freddy and has been blocked accordingly. '''[[User:Majorly|<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#B05427">Majorly</span>]]''' <sup>''[[User talk:Majorly|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]''</sup> 21:07, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks. You might want to check out some of the other users I mentioned. I'm pretty sure they are socks, too.[[User:MKil|MKil]] ([[User talk:MKil|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2009 (UTC)MKil
::Nevermind. I see you were on top of them days ago. Thanks for all your work policing this troublesome person.[[User:MKil|MKil]] ([[User talk:MKil|talk]]) 21:11, 13 February 2009 (UTC)MKil
:::My pleasure. '''[[User:Majorly|<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#B05427">Majorly</span>]]''' <sup>''[[User talk:Majorly|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]''</sup> 21:12, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:Thank you for your prompt assistance in this matter Majorly; thank you to MKil also. '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 21:15, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
== Haemophilia vandalism ==

Hi, just wondering if [http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Haemophilia&curid=67488&diff=1361137&oldid=1361131 this] and [http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Haemophilia&curid=67488&diff=1361154&oldid=1361138 this] is due to the same person? The article probably needs protecting for a little bit as it has been attacked 5 times just recently. Thanks '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 01:03, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

== Conflict between 2 users and possible edit war ==

Please take a look at [[User talk:Chenzw#This is what I am talking about|here]]{{Broken anchor|date=2025-06-02|bot=User:Cewbot/log/20201008/configuration|target_link=User talk:Chenzw#This is what I am talking about|reason= The anchor (This is what I am talking about) [[Special:Diff/1434630|has been deleted]].|diff_id=1434630}}. I would like to get opinions from a few admins first before I decide what to do. Thanks. [[User:Chenzw|<span style="color:black">Chenzw</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;<font size="1">[[User_talk:Chenzw|<span style="color:black">Talk</span>]]</font>&nbsp; 05:15, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:I have left a statement on your talk page, but overall it does not seem to be our problem (what they do on en); note that the association of usernames and IPs are a possible violation of the priv policy; and accusing somone of stalking is a possible Personal attack unless it can be proved. --[[User:Eptalon|Eptalon]] ([[User talk:Eptalon|talk]]) 13:21, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
== Mail from Kalajan ==

On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 at 11:22:40, Kalajan sent me an email stating, "Yah, so I leave forever? No, I'll return in a few months, and noone will suspect me." Hazardous Matt thinks that a few months will be next week for Kalajan. It also might be good to mention that Kalajan was under a proxy ban when he came to enwiki. So, socks are definitely coming. On happier news, who watched Friday the 13th? '''<font face="Verdana">[[User:SimonKSK|<font color="black"><small>Simon</small></font>]]<sup>[[User talk:SimonKSK|<span style="color:#060;">KSK</span>]]</sup></font>''' 14:33, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:We can see his behavior at this time. We can't stop him. He can create a new account. Either we notice this the new user is the same like Kalajan or we don't notice it and then all is OK. --[[User:Barras|bar]][[User talk:Barras|ras]] 18:26, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

== Freddy? ==

Hi, could [http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ornamentalfun&curid=166774&diff=1362957&oldid=1362954 this] be the banned user Freddy with a new sock? '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 22:06, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

== User talk:Papa Johns78 ==

Based on [http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Papa_Johns78&curid=166576&diff=1362982&oldid=1362836 this] and [http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Papa_Johns78&curid=166576&diff=1362986&oldid=1362982 this] could an admin kindly review whether or not talk page protection is warranted? Thank you '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 22:10, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
== User:Eastvillagegroupie ==

User is admin shopping to try and get her talk page deleted (request has been declined already) and has even [[Special:Log/move|moved the page]]. For more background, see [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Disputes]] [[User:Precious Roy|Precious Roy]] ([[User talk:Precious Roy|talk]]) 23:03, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:The page move has been reverted as User:Eastvillagegroupie2 doesn't exist. '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 23:10, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

===talk page===
above user is constantly bohtering me/watching me and I would like my talk page deleted as well as my user page, this pestering is out of control. I feel harassed.
[[User:Eastvillagegroupie|Eastvillagegroupie]] ([[User talk:Eastvillagegroupie|talk]]) 23:14, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

:You have to wait until an Admin decide. --[[User:Barras|Barras]] ([[User talk:Barras|talk]]) 23:20, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:Generally, we do not delete talk pages unless there is either no reason for it to be on here or it is an old talk page that could be deleted to free up resources for our other users to use.  Your talk page is neither of those things. [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 23:36, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:Same, talk pages do not get deleted.  Sometimes they can if you are leaving forever, and will never return.  [[m:Right to Vanish]]. [[User:NonvocalScream|NonvocalScream]] ([[User talk:NonvocalScream|talk]]) 17:38, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

===thanks===

but for info on this user abusing my privacy, see admin comment here
http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Precious_Roy&diff=1362347&oldid=1360478
[[User:Eastvillagegroupie|Eastvillagegroupie]] ([[User talk:Eastvillagegroupie|talk]]) 23:21, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
: Eastvillagegroupie was the first one to link this account with the Tweety21 account on en.wiki (and thus all associated IPs) with her edit [http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Chenzw&diff=1359769&oldid=1357398 here]. [[User:Precious Roy|Precious Roy]] ([[User talk:Precious Roy|talk]]) 23:29, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

== Minorly ==

I have unblocked [[User:Minorly]] after his request. His username is not necessarily aimed at [[User:Majorly|Majorly]], and is not really similar. Therefore I am assuming good faith, and have unblocked him. Feel free to undo at the first sign I am wrong. Regards, [[user:kennedy|<font color="#800000" face="lucida handwriting">Kennedy</font>]] <sup>([[user_talk:kennedy|<font color="#800000">talk</font>]]) </sup> 13:09, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:I will agf as well, but I think its a very obvious aim at Majorly. So much so I thought that this topic was about Majorly before I read it. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 14:04, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:In fact come to think of it I bet its one of Sinofdreams socks since majorly has blocked a few of them over the last few days. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 14:10, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::I did notice some vandalism from a user of the same name on en.wiki to Majorly's page, so it's looking likely. I will monitor closely. Afterall, it ''could'' just all be a huge coincidence... [[user:kennedy|<font color="#800000" face="lucida handwriting">Kennedy</font>]] <sup>([[user_talk:kennedy|<font color="#800000">talk</font>]]) </sup> 14:29, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

== Old userpages of indef blocked users ==

If you look in [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Blocked]], there are ''many'' old pages of indef blocked users that are now useless. Some are even over a year old. Should we be deleting these old pages? EnWP deletes old userpages of indef blocked users after about a month. See [[:en:CAT:TWU]]. Note that pages for sockpuppets and banned users should be kept. I was thinking that it would be a good idea if we did the same.--<span style="font-family:trebuchet ms">[[User:Fairfield|Fair]][[User talk:Fairfield|<span style="color:#36f">field</span>]] <small>[[User:Fairfield/Deletion|Deleted?]]</small></span> 17:28, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:Seems to make sense doesn't it? Unless, or course, there are strong reasons for keeping the evidence around. I'm all for clean-up '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 17:33, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:Agreed.  Unless there are some major issues with people doing this, I don't see any reasons why this shouldn't be allowed at this point in time.  Cheers, [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 17:44, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:Yup. Just not the talk pages. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 17:45, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, you really shouldn't be deleting the talk pages of any users whether indef blocked or not.  Also, you should probably leave the IP address talk pages alone as well.  Cheers, [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 17:46, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

::I've created the category [[CAT:TWU]] which will be placed on pages with {{tl|blocked}} on them. Pages over one month old except for talkpages, sockpuppets and sockpuppeteers, and IPs should be deleted.--<span style="font-family:trebuchet ms">[[User:Fairfield|Fair]][[User talk:Fairfield|<span style="color:#36f">field</span>]] <small>[[User:Fairfield/Deletion|Deleted?]]</small></span> 18:04, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
== Page protection - Meaning of life ==

Hi, can an admin please review whether or not they feel [[Meaning of life]] needs a 24hr protection put on it? It's had quite a few nonsense or poor quality changes today, more than in months of normal editing. Thank you '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 20:11, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:{{done}} for 12 hours. &ndash;[[User:Juliancolton|Juliancolton]] ([[User talk:Juliancolton|talk]]) 22:20, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

== AutoWikiBrowser ==

Hi. Can I have [[Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/CheckPage|permission]] to use AWB please? I want to do some semi-auto edits. I have permission on enWP, Thanks! :) '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 22:53, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:{{done}} -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 03:01, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
::Thank you very much; should have asked before I decided to change over 230 articles from External links to Other websites ;) '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 03:05, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
== [[Anna Kournikova]] ==

Hi there all,

the article [[Anna Kournikova]] is this week at the main page and some IPs do vandalism on this article. A semi-protect for this page until Sunday could be useful. Regards, [[User:Barras|Barras]] ([[User talk:Barras|talk]]) 17:40, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
:{{Done}} - Protection will expire in 5 days (Sunday).--<span style="font-family:trebuchet ms">[[User:Fairfield|Fair]][[User talk:Fairfield|<span style="color:#36f">field</span>]] <small>[[User:Fairfield/Deletion|Deleted?]]</small></span> 21:07, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

== Freddy may be back as IP ==

Hi, re: [http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&curid=130530&diff=1369106&oldid=1368875 this] and [http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&curid=130530&diff=1369109&oldid=1369106 this], Freddy is claiming to be back. '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 23:20, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
== Usurp request for [[User:Ethan]] ==

I have the SUL account [[sulutil:Ethan|Ethan]] and would like to usurp the inactive user [[User:Ethan|Ethan]] ([[User talk:Ethan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ethan|contribs]]) on this wiki for unification. Identity-confirming post on my home wiki is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ethan?diff=260143535&oldid=258516533 here]. -[[w:User:Ethan|Ethan]] <small>([[w:User talk:Ethan|talk]]) • 2009-02-17 02:43 (UTC)</small>

:Hi there, Ethan.  Please visit [[WP:CHU|Our changing username page]] and place this request there.  That is where usurp requests go.  Thanks, [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 02:46, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

:: Sorry, couldn't find whether/where there was a particular page for it before. Thanks, have added it there. -[[w:User:Ethan|Ethan]] <small>([[w:User talk:Ethan|talk]]) • 2009-02-17 05:52 (UTC)</small>

:::No problems.  This would've been the next best place to have requested your change of name :).  Cheers, [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 19:09, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

== Proposals for semi-protection ==

I would like to propose temporary semi-protection for a period of 48 hours for this page and a period of 24 hours of semi-protection for the article [[Wikipedia]] for a period of 24 hours (unless the user in question was already blocked).  Thanks, [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 00:08, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
:Agree!! '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 00:11, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I would also like to propose permanent semi-protection for Wikipedia:Vandalism in progress, as IPs do not need to edit that page.  [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 00:13, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

:Protected Wikipedia for 24 hours in light of IP hopping, but not VIP. New users can report vandals too. <font face="Arial"> [[User:PeterSymonds|<font color="#02e">Peter</font><font color="#02b"><b>Symonds</b></font>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:PeterSymonds|<font color="#02e">talk</font>]])</font> 00:14, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
::Of course they can; I just wanted to prevent IPs from being able to edit that page.  *headdesk* Semi-protection would prevent new users from reporting vandals....*headdesk* [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 00:16, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
:::And why would you want that? Hehe...--[[User:tdxiang|<font color="#E32636"> Tdxi</font>]][[Special:Emailuser/Tdxiang|a]]<font color="#006600">n</font>[[User Talk:tdxiang|<font color="gold">g</font>]] 06:35, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
== User:A1a2s ==

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'''User plus socks blocked by {{admin|Eptalon}}'''. <font face="Arial"> [[User:PeterSymonds|<font color="#02e">Peter</font><font color="#02b"><b>Symonds</b></font>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:PeterSymonds|<font color="#02e">talk</font>]])</font> 16:23, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

This user is indefinitely blocked on enwiki for vandalism. In their time here they created an obvious WP:SNOW RFA, a disruptive WP:CASUAL page and a [[User:A1a2s/MyPoem|poem]]... in our tough on banned users stance, I'd like to propose this user extends their block on to this Wikipedia as well. Simple WP is not a place to prove yourself, or rehab, and so far this user has done nothing productive. It may sound a bit tough to propose this early, but I think it's needed before things escalate. I'm also concerned this user is the creator of a vandal sockpuppet. '''[[User:Majorly|<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#B05427">Majorly</span>]]''' <sup>''[[User talk:Majorly|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]''</sup> 18:28, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
:'''Support''' was going to suggest the same thing '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 18:36, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
::Perhaps we should also formally adopt the one-strike rule? '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 18:40, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Agree. '''<font face="Verdana">[[User:SimonKSK|<font color="black"><small>Simon</small></font>]]<sup>[[User talk:SimonKSK|<span style="color:#060;">KSK</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Wikipedia:Editor review/SimonKSK|Contradict me...]]</sub></font>''' 18:41, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - early, but this is going nowhere. '''<font face="Verdana">[[User:SimonKSK|<font color="black"><small>Simon</small></font>]]<sup>[[User talk:SimonKSK|<span style="color:#060;">KSK</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Wikipedia:Editor review/SimonKSK|Contradict me...]]</sub></font>''' 18:36, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
:'''Support''' I was actually watching for one more strike and then I was going to just 6 month him myself. I would say just go ahead and do it. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 18:38, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
::'''Comment''' What is this? [[User:A1a2s|A1a2s]] ([[User talk:A1a2s|talk]]) 18:41, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
:::A ban discussion. '''<font face="Verdana">[[User:SimonKSK|<font color="black"><small>Simon</small></font>]]<sup>[[User talk:SimonKSK|<span style="color:#060;">KSK</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Wikipedia:Editor review/SimonKSK|Contradict me...]]</sub></font>''' 18:42, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I havent done any vandalism to this wiki. [[User:A1a2s|A1a2s]] ([[User talk:A1a2s|talk]]) 18:43, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::You don't have to do vandalism to get blocked. '''<font face="Verdana">[[User:SimonKSK|<font color="black"><small>Simon</small></font>]]<sup>[[User talk:SimonKSK|<span style="color:#060;">KSK</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Wikipedia:Editor review/SimonKSK|Contradict me...]]</sub></font>''' 18:44, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::You can get me for vandalizing en.wikipedia.org but not here unless that poem assumes bad faith. [[User:A1a2s|A1a2s]] ([[User talk:A1a2s|talk]]) 18:46, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
:Endorse. It is unlikely that this user can edit constructively. &ndash;[[User:Juliancolton|Juliancolton]] ([[User talk:Juliancolton|talk]]) 18:59, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
::Hello there,I beg to differ.Check my contribs because I am going to make the uncatorgized page empty in a minute. [[User:A1a2s|A1a2s]] ([[User talk:A1a2s|talk]]) 19:01, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
:'''Support''' I can see this user as doing nothing but being disruptive here.  Therefore, I would like to propose that he be indefinitely banned here as well.  [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 19:08, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
::'''Comment''' I can see I am not wanted here. [[User:A1a2s|A1a2s]] ([[User talk:A1a2s|talk]]) 19:13, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
'''Weak Support''' I just...don't see you editing positively. [[User:Shapiros10|<font style="color:red">Shapiros</font>]][[User Talk:Shapiros10|<font style="color:green">'''10'''</font>]] 19:16, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
:::'''Comment''' You ever heard of Grawp? [[User:A1a2s|A1a2s]] ([[User talk:A1a2s|talk]]) 19:19, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
::::'''Comment''' I am the youngest vandal of en.wikipedia.org yet learned a way to at least keep that ClueBot from noticing my presence just by waiting for the accounts to meet the auto confirmed requirements before attempting to edit.The only reason I am not vandalizing this wiki is because of one single person. [[User:A1a2s|A1a2s]] ([[User talk:A1a2s|talk]]) 19:24, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::'''Comment''' We will meet one day in the future but for now I will retire.You will not be so lucky next time... [[User:A1a2s|A1a2s]] ([[User talk:A1a2s|talk]]) 19:29, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

(<-)I think that this user has just made our case for us; as we all knew he would. '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 19:33, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

:I have just blocked this user (plus a few socks) for sock-farming, indefinitely. So I think this discussion is closed..--[[User:Eptalon|Eptalon]] ([[User talk:Eptalon|talk]]) 20:47, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
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== Emach1s ==

I'd say that this is our A1a2s friend back with a different account and now doing as he promised, vandalising, per: [http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Car&curid=3442&diff=1370580&oldid=1370579 this]. '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 20:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
:Note, this is currently waiting investigation [[Wikipedia:RFCU#A1a2s.2C Emach1s|here]]. [[User:Lingamondo|Lingamondo]] ([[User talk:Lingamondo|talk]]) 20:05, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
::{{done}} Confirmed and blocked by [[User:Djsasso]], [[User:Majorly]], and [[User:Eptalon]]. However, I presume the user will continue to make further socks, and a range block could be considered if it persists. [[User:Lingamondo|Lingamondo]] ([[User talk:Lingamondo|talk]]) 20:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Why 1 month for the sock master? '''<font face="Verdana">[[User:SimonKSK|<font color="black"><small>Simon</small></font>]]<sup>[[User talk:SimonKSK|<span style="color:#060;">KSK</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Wikipedia:Editor review/SimonKSK|Contradict me...]]</sub></font>''' 20:40, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
:see above; blocvked indef for socking. --[[User:Eptalon|Eptalon]] ([[User talk:Eptalon|talk]]) 20:48, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
== Drastic measures to save this project ==

Simple Wikipedia, for whatever reason, is seen as the dumping ground of banned/blocked users from EN. I propose any block or ban on EN also counts here. Drastic? Yes! But needed, I personally think so. [[User:Soup Dish|Soup Dish]] ([[User talk:Soup Dish|talk]]) 14:32, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:There is actually a [[User_talk:Djsasso#Admin_notice_board_post|discussion]] about this on my talk page and freekman had a good solution for this. I believe he is going to write up a proposal. I would like an outright counting of blocks and bans from en going forward (ie current users not affected). However freekman mentioned we could have a Requests for account page or something like that set up for those blocked/banned users so we have to evaluate them before letting them edit instead of just letting them edit right away. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 14:44, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
::Interesting. I'd like to read the proposal first, but, I think I'd like to see it implemented, even to the current users here. But determine access on a case by case basis. (i.e. Each on their own merits.) Meaning that banned users active here might lose their editing priveledges. [[user:kennedy|<font color="#800000" face="lucida handwriting">Kennedy</font>]] <sup>([[user_talk:kennedy|<font color="#800000">talk</font>]]) </sup> 15:45, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Another idea is trialled editing. Fine, they can edit, and if it's constructive, why not? But at the first sign of trouble, they should be dealt with swiftly and firmly. <font face="Arial"> [[User:PeterSymonds|<font color="#02e">Peter</font><font color="#02b"><b>Symonds</b></font>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:PeterSymonds|<font color="#02e">talk</font>]])</font> 15:48, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Yup, I also agree with that idea. I just want to make sure we stop giving umpteen chances. We need to clean up the reputation of this wiki. A large number of the close votes for this wiki are coming from people with the perception this is just a dumping ground for ens trash editors. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 15:50, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

(<-) Perhaps I am shouting into the forest here:
*Same chance for everyone at the start, no backgound check
*When it comes to blocking (because of bad behaviour/bad edits), check EnWP for bans. If the user is banned/known repeat customer there, they will get '''one''' chance, after their first block; Forfeiting the chance will incur a 6 month block.
*System is only for "named user", as it is too costly for IP editors. 
Comments? --[[User:Eptalon|Eptalon]] ([[User talk:Eptalon|talk]]) 15:57, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

:I would agree, except on occasion it's hard to ignore. Users who have blown their chances at enwiki come over here as if they've simply moved on. They sometimes make this clear. Would they be here if they weren't banned at en? I think not. I'm not speaking of any one editor, by the way, just of a general trend I've noticed. <font face="Arial"> [[User:PeterSymonds|<font color="#02e">Peter</font><font color="#02b"><b>Symonds</b></font>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:PeterSymonds|<font color="#02e">talk</font>]])</font> 16:03, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
No. There have been users who have been banned at enWP. They have come here, and they have showed ability to edit civilly. ChristianMan is most likely our best example. '''<font face="Verdana">[[User:SimonKSK|<font color="black"><small>Simon</small></font>]]<sup>[[User talk:SimonKSK|<span style="color:#060;">KSK</span>]]</sup></font>''' 16:04, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:And he is an extremely rare case (in fact I can't think of another), and even he has caused some major drama in his time here. As Eptalon mentioned the '''one''' chance would be an acceptable method as well, its the chance after chance after mentor plan after chance that is the problem. To be honest I think its the fact that we act as a dumping ground which will get us closed far faster than not being able to identify what Simple English is or having all our articles perfect etc. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 16:13, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::What about me? I'm banned on EN, and I don't think I've really been trolling... <font face="Verdana" color="blue">[[User:Steve Crossin|Steve]]<sup>[[User talk:Steve Crossin|<font color="green">Talk</font>]]</sup></font> 10:56, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::I agree with all of the current proposals that have been presented thus far, however, I like PeterSymonds plan the best because it is far more pratical than the other plans that have been outlined on this page.  Cheers, [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 17:09, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

All are good proposals and I think it is good that we are all concerned about this and are thinking about it. I think it is important to minimize the disruptive impact that banned users coming over from enWP have on our community. To this end, a '''one''' chance proposal is probably good with a ban for 3 or 6 months if they blow it; then a indef ban if they blow the second chance after being unbanned within 6 months of the unbanning. I'd also recommend that the admins be given the "right" (which they actually already have) to ban '''these''' users at their discretion and only their discretion. This would stop disruption by having to hold a banning proposal every time it is needed. (Established users being banned would still go through a normal proposal). If they can make it a full 9 months without being blocked (also 9 months after being blocked for violating the one strike rule) then they would become '''established''' users and go through the normal block/ban procedure. Thoughts?  '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 17:35, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:We'd need to have a standard warning in place for people to receive prior to being banned, perhaps given to them upon account creation when we first notice they are banned at enWP. Perhaps also the commmunity would be consulted about lifting the 3/6 months first strike ban?? (Just an idea)'''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 17:45, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
::Of course we need to establish some rules, but please note:
::*Bans/blocks longer than 6 months are mostly pointless.
::*I say ''one chance '''after their first block''''' - This means the first time they get blocked for 1 day/2 days/whatever, and from then on, each block is '''6 months''' (or 3 months, depend on the time we settle on); without needing to keep track of much info. 
::What we need is a system that is easy to administrate, and needs little extra info. Just a question: do you remember any users you blocked 9 months ago? - In oder not to clutter this here, have a look at [[User:Eptalon/bannedUser]] (which should be a proposed guideline, once we are done). Edit to your liking. --[[User:Eptalon|Eptalon]] ([[User talk:Eptalon|talk]]) 19:00, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, let's off page the discussion over to [[User talk:Eptalon/bannedUser]]. As a note; I've never blocked anyone as I'm not an admin anywhere (my efforts have always been editing and mediation of disputes). :) '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 19:14, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I absolutely cannot believe this is being discussed '''''again'''''. I thank Simon for beinging up the fact that not all banned users are bad and I'm one case, and I thank Djsasso for establishing that I'm an extremely rare case, but anyway, I agree, there should be a review committee like thing to review banned users on a case by case basses to determine they're restrictions, so to say, for example, one ban user gets approved by the committee for no restrictions and another gets the aforementioned restriction about 2 post above me. Thoughts?--&nbsp;<font face="Arial Rounded MT Bold">[[User:ChristianMan16|<font color="#003399">†&nbsp;<font color="#0033FF">C<font color="#0066FF">M</font>1</font>6</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:ChristianMan16|t]] [[Special:Contributions/ChristianMan16|<sub>c</sub>]] [[Wikipedia:Editor review/ChristianMan16/3|r]]</sup></font> 20:35, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

===Already in action===
Majorly and I discussed Betacommand briefly a few days or so ago (Beta has a '''long history''' on en of making semi-automated edits while making numerous errors in the process). He was given several off wiki chances, and was blocked by Majorly for making edits that appeared to be from a script/bot. In an effort to show good faith he was unblocked to allow further editing, and the chance to request bot status. He failed to do so. I reblocked him indef. From now on, we have to explore a type of zero tolerance trial, such as PeterSymonds suggests above. My one preference, is that if they continue to do ''what they were blocked/banned'' for on en, here, they get the same treatment. No more rehabilitation. '''[[User:Synergy|<font color="#222222" face="Times New Roman">Syn</font>]]'''[[User_talk:Synergy|<font color="#222222" face="Times New Roman">ergy</font>]] 20:05, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:Good catch, I was watching him over the last few days and wasn't sure about him. Had no idea that it was Betacommand. If it was then yup I support ths decission. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 20:19, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:I would have to agree with you Synergy.  If they were blocked over on the English Wikipedia, and they continue doing what they did over there here, then they should be blocked right away.  [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 22:26, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

:yes when I first started editing I made some errors, I fixed those and have been correcting errors as I see them, if you have issues everyone knows where my talk page is. Im glad to discuss it with you and address your concern. [[User:Ringkjøbing|Ringkjøbing]] ([[User talk:Ringkjøbing|talk]]) 02:48, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

== Redirects ==

Hello, quick question: Are redirects like [http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3APW&redirect=no these] allowed? Thanks, [[user:kennedy|<font color="#800000" face="lucida handwriting">Kennedy</font>]] <sup>([[user_talk:kennedy|<font color="#800000">talk</font>]]) </sup> 09:56, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:Since we have projects in user space it would probably fall into "no redirects to User space" rule; Wikiprojects are there to coordinate editors writing on a common subject. I therefore think we should consider this to be an exception to this rule (other projects don't have Wikiprojects in  U-space). Of course, a conscious decision one way or another would be nice. --[[User:Eptalon|Eptalon]] ([[User talk:Eptalon|talk]]) 10:59, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::No worries. As you say, it does fall into that rule, but I'm fine with exceptions. Thanks [[user:kennedy|<font color="#800000" face="lucida handwriting">Kennedy</font>]] <sup>([[user_talk:kennedy|<font color="#800000">talk</font>]]) </sup> 11:18, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::Since there is no Wikiprojects in project space, I would nuke it personally. Otherwise we might as well have the project in project space to begin with. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 14:06, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:::{{done}} QD'ed as per then QD:U2 rule for deletion.  Cheers, [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 22:24, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::::You should notify the proper people of discussions like this. New discussion on [[WP:ST#WikiProject redirects|WP:ST about this]].--&nbsp;<font face="Arial Rounded MT Bold">[[User:ChristianMan16|<font color="#003399">†&nbsp;<font color="#0033FF">C<font color="#0066FF">M</font>1</font>6</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:ChristianMan16|t]] [[Special:Contributions/ChristianMan16|<sub>c</sub>]] [[Wikipedia:Editor review/ChristianMan16/3|r]]</sup></font> 08:22, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

== User page warnings ==

Is there a policy about users removing warning messages from their talk pages? Like this [[User talk:75.47.154.196]] --[[User:Peterdownunder|Peterdownunder]] ([[User talk:Peterdownunder|talk]]) 07:34, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:There is none at the moment, but given the activity going on on that page, I will consider it edit warring and will hence semi-protect it for a while. [[User:Chenzw|<span style="color:#006600">Chenzw</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;<font size="1">[[User_talk:Chenzw|<span style="color:#006600">Talk</span>]]</font>&nbsp; 07:41, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::Current policy on EN is to allow warnings to be removed; I will blank the page and remove protection; in the future, just let the IP remove warnings on his page. [[User:Chenzw|<span style="color:black">Chenzw</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;<font size="1">[[User_talk:Chenzw|<span style="color:black">Talk</span>]]</font>&nbsp; 07:48, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

== Helpfulness ==

OK, so I'm fairly new here, but if there's any help I can do (apart from reverting vandalism, the obvious one!!), feel free to let me know. I'll most likely be online Friday or Saturday editing here if I can, most likely then. AC --[[User:Sunstar NW XP|Sunstar NW XP]] ([[User talk:Sunstar NW XP|talk]]) 11:58, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
== Samlaptop85213 ==

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Recently unblocked user has created the page [[Banned]], continues to have "I love vandalism" on his talk page, dispite asking to be an [http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Kennedy#Admin_please admin]. Perhaps the one-strike rule here? '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 19:40, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

:He's very close to an indef block, is all I can say. :) <font face="Arial"> [[User:PeterSymonds|<font color="#02e">Peter</font><font color="#02b"><b>Symonds</b></font>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:PeterSymonds|<font color="#02e">talk</font>]])</font> 19:41, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

::Agree. Coming off from a block and more misbehaviour? Why are we putting up with this? '''[[User:Majorly|<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#B05427">Majorly</span>]]''' <sup>''[[User talk:Majorly|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]''</sup> 19:49, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

:::Yep, a line has to be drawn. '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 19:54, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

=== Block/Ban Proposal ===
I think that at this point, I can't see Samlaptop a) being a positive contributor and b) in any way an asset to this project.  I really think he deserves a block or ban of some type. [[User:Shapiros10|<font style="color:red">Shapiros</font>]][[User Talk:Shapiros10|<font style="color:green">'''10'''</font>]] 23:04, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
==== Support ====
#[[User:Shapiros10|<font style="color:red">Shapiros</font>]][[User Talk:Shapiros10|<font style="color:green">'''10'''</font>]] 23:04, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''<font face="Verdana">[[User:SimonKSK|<font color="black"><small>Simon</small></font>]]<sup>[[User talk:SimonKSK|<font color="DarkGreen">KSK</font>]]</sup></font>''' 23:06, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Weak Support''' &ndash; doesn't appear to want to help. Loving vandalism doesn't make me sympathetic. '''[[User:American Eagle|<font color="#6B8AB8">TheAE</font>]]''' [[User talk:American Eagle|<font color="#6B8AB8">talk</font>]] 23:12, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''[[User:Majorly|<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#B05427">Majorly</span>]]''' <sup>''[[User talk:Majorly|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]''</sup> 23:28, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''support''' '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 23:37, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Support''' [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 00:40, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''Strong support''' Wasted all his four chances here. - [[User:Æåm Fætsøn|<font color="#00cc00" face="trebuchet ms">'''Æåm Fætsøn'''</font>]] [[User talk:Æåm Fætsøn|<font color="#6666ff" face="Times new roman"><sup>/ˈaɪæm ˈfætsən/</sup></font>]] 07:14, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

==== Oppose ====
==== Comments ====
How exactly does his creation of [[banned]] show him as being unproductive and worthy of being banned?  [[User:Either way|Either way]] ([[User talk:Either way|talk]]) 23:36, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
:It's not just that creation. He/she is literally just off block; and has done very little to help the project. The community has had too much disruption lately and a user who is just off block, stated previously "vandalism m ... I love vandalism" and then creates a vandal page and asks to become an admin ('''and''' files an RFA) just isn't setting the right tone. We don't need it; and frankly we need to set a few precedents also. seWP has gotten a rep for being soft on bad users (because we were) and this is got to stop!  '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 23:53, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
::What I'm saying is how is that page a "vandal page" as you state?  [[User:Either way|Either way]] ([[User talk:Either way|talk]]) 23:54, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Did you read it before it was deleted? I did and so did the admin (PeterSymonds) who deleted it. We both considered it vandalism. It wasn't a testpage, the user knows how to create pages; it was vandalism. Coming straight off of a block and doing that, plus goading the community with an RFA, adding that he wanted to be an admin to lots of different places (including [[WP:ADMIN]] [which is just wrong] is enough). Any user coming off of a block whould know that an RFA is out of the question, and they should know that vandalising the project is also a bad idea. I think we all admire your intentions, but the community has had a hard time with blocked users, banned users from enWP and with vandals lately. '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 00:10, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Per consensus above, and his [http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bop_It&diff=prev&oldid=1385552 own] request, I've blocked Sam indefinitely. '''[[User:Majorly|<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#B05427">Majorly</span>]]''' <sup>''[[User talk:Majorly|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]''</sup> 18:31, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
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== Sniper ==

[[Sniper]] has had a lot of IP changes over the last few days. Many have not been helpful and have had to be reverted. Could an admin review the need for semi protection for 48 hours or so? Thanks '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 01:20, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
:I've protected it until Sunday. The article is on the Main Page this week, so until Sunday, it will be getting high amounts of vandalism. Cheers,--<span style="font-family:trebuchet ms">[[User:Fairfield|Fair]][[User talk:Fairfield|<span style="color:#36f">field</span>]] <small>[[User:Fairfield/Deletion|Deleted?]]</small></span> 01:37, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

== [[Lick]] ==

Can someone please look over the article "[[lick]]"? I am new to Wikipedia and I'd like for someone to look over it. Thanks in advance! [[Special:Contributions/71.201.88.178|71.201.88.178]] ([[User talk:71.201.88.178|talk]]) 02:20, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
::The article you wrote on "Lick" was fine, but the simple english wikipedia is not a dictionary. If you would like to write about what words mean, please use the . [[http://simple.wiktionary.org/wiki/Main_Page|simple english wiktionary]]--[[User:Peterdownunder|Peterdownunder]] ([[User talk:Peterdownunder|talk]]) 02:30, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
== [[Christianity]] related issues ==

==="edit war"/POV pushing ===
{{User|Phentos}} made [http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christianity&diff=1378029&oldid=1371691 this edit] to [[Christianity]] earlier tonight, claiming he was "cleaning up the biased article". I [http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christianity&diff=1378040&oldid=1378029 reverted] the edit saying the article wasn't biased before until he made the edit (I thought it made the article atheistic), he proceeded to revert me, so I reverted back, we then got into [[Talk:Christianity#Working on NEUTRALITY|a discussion]] on the articles talk page. During which I [[User talk:RyanCross#Heads-up|notified RyanCross]]. He told me to come here if need be. The user during the conversation explained his edit, he claimed the article was stating the facts as if we believed them and thus made the article biased. He last reverted me and said he was going to bad, so, I reached my 3RR with one last revert with a edit summary saying that there is obviously a dispute so the original version must stand till the dispute is resolved. Am I wrong, or is this guy POV pushing?--&nbsp;<font face="Arial Rounded MT Bold">[[User:ChristianMan16|<font color="#003399">†&nbsp;<font color="#0033FF">C<font color="#0066FF">M</font>1</font>6</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:ChristianMan16|t]] [[Special:Contributions/ChristianMan16|<sub>c</sub>]] [[Wikipedia:Editor review/ChristianMan16/3|r]]</sup></font> 07:45, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
:I don't know much about Christianity, so cannot comment on that. But you are just as bad if you reverted so many times. You even say yourself that because he was going to bed you reverted after that. You're not meant to try to "win" the war, you're meant to stop it, and come to an amicable agreement. [[user:kennedy|<font color="#800000" face="lucida handwriting">Kennedy</font>]] <sup>([[user_talk:kennedy|<font color="#800000">talk</font>]]) </sup> 08:59, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
:Okay, I read the change. Here's my view: I agree with Phentos. I think his change is actually ''less'' POV than your change. He writes that Jesus is ''believed'' to be the Son of God and a prophet. You write that he ''is'' the Son of God and the almighty prophet. Lets look at this using a different example: 
:*'''''[[Ronaldinho]]''' is commonly thought to be one of the best [[association football|football]] players in the world.''
:*'''''[[Ronaldinho]]''' is the best [[association football|football]] player in the world.''
:Which do you think is less POV? Same idea with Jesus. Is Jesus ''the best'' [[association football|football]] player, or is he believed to be the best [[association football|football]] player in the world? [[user:kennedy|<font color="#800000" face="lucida handwriting">Kennedy</font>]] <sup>([[user_talk:kennedy|<font color="#800000">talk</font>]]) </sup> 12:35, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
::IMO, both diffs don't make much difference in terms of neutrality. The excerpt clearly states "'''To Christians''', Jesus Christ is a teacher...", therefore sustaining a neutral POV. I would prefer the previous version though as there is more content and a ref. I believe that Phentos was merely trying to simplify the paragraph. Correct me if you think I am wrong. [[User:Chenzw|<span style="color:#CC0000">Chenzw</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;<font size="1">[[User_talk:Chenzw|<span style="color:#CC0000">Talk</span>]]</font>&nbsp; 12:52, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Chenzw, is right the original version does say '''"To Christians"'''. To me, taking that out, like Phentos did, takes it from neutral to Atheistic.--&nbsp;<font face="Arial Rounded MT Bold">[[User:ChristianMan16|<font color="#003399">†&nbsp;<font color="#0033FF">C<font color="#0066FF">M</font>1</font>6</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:ChristianMan16|t]] [[Special:Contributions/ChristianMan16|<sub>c</sub>]] [[Wikipedia:Editor review/ChristianMan16/3|r]]</sup></font> 18:13, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
===NPOV issues===

Hello all, I want to being some attention to [[Christianity]] and its NPOV. An IP, {{user|134.161.227.84}} has added [[:Category:Mythology]] to it, saying therefore that is a myth (but argues that "myth" can also be a general dictionary idea...). Also, the user added that [[Jesus]] (an un-disputed real-person) is only a "character", and therefore fictional. To avoid that particular dispute, I changed "character", to simply the center of the New Testament, and the IP reverted regardless. Both additions are from the IP's POV: Christianity (and not other religions) being simply a myth, and Jesus being fictional. This needs outside discussion. I have semi-protected the page for now, until this discussion is over. Thank you. '''[[User:American Eagle|<font color="#6B8AB8">TheAE</font>]]''' [[User talk:American Eagle|<font color="#6B8AB8">talk</font>]] 22:06, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
:Just for a reference, I started something similar [[#Christianity "edit war"/POV pushing|above]].--&nbsp;<font face="Arial Rounded MT Bold">[[User:ChristianMan16|<font color="#003399">†&nbsp;<font color="#0033FF">C<font color="#0066FF">M</font>1</font>6</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:ChristianMan16|t]] [[Special:Contributions/ChristianMan16|<sub>c</sub>]] [[Wikipedia:Editor review/ChristianMan16/3|r]]</sup></font> 22:22, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
::I am noting for reference here that I have reworded the sentence in question so that it says "Jesus of Nazareth is featured in the New Testament, which is part of the Bible, a book that Christians view as sacred" or something close to that. I'm going by memory here but this should be close. <font color="#FF1493" face="sylfaen">[[User:LovesMacs|Loves]]</font><font color="#1E90FF" face="sylfaen">[[User:LovesMacs|Macs]]</font>[[User talk:LovesMacs| (talk)]] 00:38, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
:That sounds fine. But, "featured" isn't a simple word. So, I have changed it "...is written about...", which is easier to understand. I agree with what you said, though. '''[[User:American Eagle|<font color="#6B8AB8">TheAE</font>]]''' [[User talk:American Eagle|<font color="#6B8AB8">talk</font>]] 00:52, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I rewrote the passage a little, and added an external Reference (Tacitus, Annales). It is not difficult at all to find an external source of Jesus being executed; this does however not tell about his teachings. As to Cat:Mythology, I guess this could be added to any religion (What did we do with the Ancient Roman, or Ancient Greek belief systems?) - So please do not attach too much importance to the category. Anyway, given the IP edits "productively", has anyone suggested yet they create an account?--[[User:Eptalon|Eptalon]] ([[User talk:Eptalon|talk]]) 08:41, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
(<-) I added Cat:Mythology as a parent to Cat:Religion; to those who do not believe in a particular religion the teachings/texts of that religion must look like mythology. --[[User:Eptalon|Eptalon]] ([[User talk:Eptalon|talk]]) 12:13, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Are you honestly calling Jesus an undisputed real person? It is extremely disputed that he was a real person, one of the most prevalent theorys is that he was just created as a character to explain the beliefs that christians believed in and that over time it was forgotten that it was just a story and people started taking it literally. If it were modern day for example, that his stories were just various brochures that were passed out to people. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 13:33, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
:According to Tacitus' Annales; someone was executed when P.Pilate was in charge of the region (''iudaea'') - So Jesus being a real person is not the issue; the issue is: Without recurring to Biblical/Christian texts, you will likely not be able to ''show'' what he did. Jesus was a person who could convince people to die horrible deaths for what they believed. Jesus was (to some extent) a threat to the ''order'' of the Romans there, that is the likely reason why he was executed. To take more recent examples, look at [[Mahatma Gandhi]] or [[Benazir Bhutto]]: Both died a violent death, and at some point in their lives they were a threat to respective government. TO some extent it is difficult to talk about Bhutto or Gandhi without talking about their political motivations. The same is probably true for Jesus.--[[User:Eptalon|Eptalon]] ([[User talk:Eptalon|talk]]) 13:50, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

:I've always had a theory that the bible is just a novel written to try to explain how we came about. ''"Harry Potter and the Son of God"'' anyone? [[user:kennedy|<font color="#800000" face="lucida handwriting">Kennedy</font>]] <sup>([[user_talk:kennedy|<font color="#800000">talk</font>]]) </sup> 13:47, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

:Titus Flavius Josephus ''(a Jewish/Roman secular historian)'' writes about Jesus in the history called "The Antiquities of the Jews"''[http://sacred-texts.com/jud/josephus/ant-18.htm see: paragraph 3]'' and confirms he existed and was even known as "The Christ". This book was written in circa 94CE. Jesus' existance is confirmed by many sources; whether he was the son of God is something for faith. The article Christianity should be about the history of the religion and about what the religion teaches. It should contain critism of the religion but it should not be a debate over whether the religion is the truth or not; that would be original research. Statements should be along the lines of "Christians believe Jesus to be the Son of God and devine" but not "Jesus is the Son of God and devine". So it should be about what Christians believe, but not present those beliefs as fact. ''My 2p worth'' '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 14:41, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
::I agree with Fr33kman; the article should describe the beliefs and practices of Christianity, and it should include a section on criticism. Pro/anti Christian views should however be marked as such and not be given too much weight. <font color="#FF1493" face="sylfaen">[[User:LovesMacs|Loves]]</font><font color="#1E90FF" face="sylfaen">[[User:LovesMacs|Macs]]</font>[[User talk:LovesMacs| (talk)]] 04:55, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

== Pakistan editor... again... and again ==

Seriously, are we going to let him create a few hundred articles about Pakistan's relationships with the whole world? This is getting ridiculous; we need to establish some form of notability guideline here. Suggestions? [[User:Chenzw|<span style="color:brown">Chenzw</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;<font size="1">[[User_talk:Chenzw|<span style="color:brown">Talk</span>]]</font>&nbsp; 12:35, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
:How about we go through them all and delete and semi-protect the articles. He would need to register to edit them. Which he won't do. I know it would take a while, but a bot could salt all ''Pakistan and x relations''? [[user:kennedy|<font color="#800000" face="lucida handwriting">Kennedy</font>]] <sup>([[user_talk:kennedy|<font color="#800000">talk</font>]]) </sup> 13:20, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
::A bot? <tt>:O</tt> Maybe you mean a script instead? <small>(and you deleted them as G1 OMG)</small> [[User:Chenzw|<span style="color:#660066">Chenzw</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;<font size="1">[[User_talk:Chenzw|<span style="color:#660066">Talk</span>]]</font>&nbsp; 13:32, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Actually no, we can add the regex to the title blacklist (and enable autoconfirmed users to create them). Thoughts? [[User:Chenzw|<span style="color:brown">Chenzw</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;<font size="1">[[User_talk:Chenzw|<span style="color:brown">Talk</span>]]</font>&nbsp; 13:32, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, wouldn't both work? (ec) Blacklisting would be a good idea... I see your point about G1, perhaps another reason would be preferable. [[user:kennedy|<font color="#800000" face="lucida handwriting">Kennedy</font>]] <sup>([[user_talk:kennedy|<font color="#800000">talk</font>]]) </sup> 13:36, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Both would work, but salting is too time consuming (a few hundred :P) and becomes a problem when you want to unsalt them. [[User:Chenzw|<span style="color:brown">Chenzw</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;<font size="1">[[User_talk:Chenzw|<span style="color:brown">Talk</span>]]</font>&nbsp; 13:46, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
(<-) Other idea, find one or two other people who also write about Pakistan/India/Bangladesh-related topics; that might "solve" POV-pushing problems...--[[User:Eptalon|Eptalon]] ([[User talk:Eptalon|talk]]) 15:10, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
:<nowiki>*ding*</nowiki>....at your service (if they have to do with geography). [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]] 15:15, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
::Look at [[Special:Contributions/195.195.131.162|their contributions]], most seem geography related; As you are not from there, there might be quite some reading up on those topics. As to Kashmir-related subjects we should stay as neutral as possible (and use official terms wherever possible). I was more thinking that one of the numerous new editor perhaps had a background from there. --[[User:Eptalon|Eptalon]] ([[User talk:Eptalon|talk]]) 15:48, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

== Freddy? ==

Per [http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pusinglimimts these] I'm wondering if this is Freddy considering he said he made John Paul II a VGA, and this is one of Freddies [http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Freddy known] articles. ?? '''''[[User:Fr33kman|<font color="darkgreen">fr33k</font><font color="blue">man</font>]] <sup><font color="darkgreen" size="2">[[User talk:Fr33kman|t]]</font> - <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Fr33kman|c]]</font></sup>''''' 22:45, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
:It is. '''[[User:Majorly|<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#B05427">Majorly</span>]]''' <sup>''[[User talk:Majorly|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]''</sup> 23:03, 27 February 2009 (UTC)