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==[[Ethnic cleansing in Chechnya]]==
Hi all, this one escaped my radar for some reason... the article has templates for accuracy and original research. The text looks fine until about a quarter down, where I find lots of large block quotations and some confused text that might have been auto-translated. {{ping|Jasphetamine}} accepted the request and did some work but hasn't edited some 26 Dec, which alerted me to the state of the article. I think it needs more substantial work than a GOCE copy-edit (perhaps [[WP:CLEANUP|CLEANUP]] could help) so I think we should decline the request for now, without prejudice to relisting once it's in better shape. Also courtesy pinging the requester, {{ping|Willbb234}}. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 07:43, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
:Based on the discussion at [[Talk:Ethnic cleansing in Chechnya]], I think we should decline it for now, at least until {{U|Rosguill}} or another editor has worked through it and removed objectionable material. It doesn't make sense to copy-edit material that should really be deleted or significantly rewritten. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 15:46, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
::Agree to decline for now – [[User:Reidgreg|Reidgreg]] ([[User talk:Reidgreg|talk]]) 16:03, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
:::Thanks both; '''declined''' without prejudice to relisting once it's sorted out. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 20:00, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
:::: Thank you for resolving this. I didn't want to be a nuisance pinging people for guidance, nor did I want to appear to have abandoned a job I nominally took. I fully support the conclusion that this article is not in a place to benefit from CE. [[User:Jasphetamine|Jasphetamine]] ([[User talk:Jasphetamine|talk]]) 22:26, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
==[[Greta Thunberg]]==
Hi all, I've just placed this request '''on hold''' because the article is being extensively edited (11 edits excluding Gog's one on 11 Jan, some being major additions and rewrites), which is to be expected for a subject who is very much in the news. I suggest waiting a few days to see if the article settles down before a major c/e goes ahead. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 05:16, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
:There are two aspects of the editing spur: one is the news, which is fortunately (for us editors) in a bit of a lull currently. The news shouldn't push the article in a very different direction in the coming weeks. The second one is some further reordering and other improvement by {{re|Ex nihil|p=}}. Ex nihil, I'm not planning big edits anymore. What is the optimum hold here for you, considering we're not in a hurry? <small><s>[[User:Femkemilene|Femke Nijsse]] ([[User talk:Femkemilene|talk]]) 17:42, 13 January 2020 (UTC)</s></small> [[User:Femkemilene|Femke Nijsse]] ([[User talk:Femkemilene|talk]]) 17:43, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
::Four of five days of stability (no major changes) is usually enough to avoid edit conflicts. Major copy-edits don't usually remain for long in very active articles and those editing resources can be used more productively elsewhere. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 18:45, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
::: As the article is written chronologically, I do think that most of the edits will stay a while, with edits focussing on adding news instead of amending old section. Even if they don't, they will probably be read by millions of people, as this article attracts over a million per month. Of course, I don't want to pressure you at all into spending time you don't think is useful. I'll withdraw if Ex nihil is planning to improve the article significantly still soon. [[User:Femkemilene|Femke Nijsse]] ([[User talk:Femkemilene|talk]]) 19:03, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

== [[Albert Camus]] ==

[[Albert Camus]] has been requested by an IP editor who does not appear in the article's history. Our current instructions say "No request by an unregistered editor will be accepted unless the IP has done significant work on the article." That does not leave us much room for flexibility. I have two questions for my fellow coordinators and anyone else who works on Requests regularly:

1. <s>Should we decline this article based on our inflexible rule?</s> It is a level-4 vital article, currently rated C-class, but can and should probably become a GA with some attention. I scanned it and noticed that it needs some minor attention in the areas of italics, quote marks, and dashes. I didn't look carefully at the prose. The talk page says that the GOCE copy-edited it about seven months ago; it has [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Albert_Camus&type=revision&diff=935244703&oldid=901854960 had 200+ edits since then].

2. Should we modify this rule a bit to make it more flexible? I recall a discussion and will try to dig it up if people think it is worth discussing. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 14:47, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|Jonesey95}} Oops, I just declined it without reading this, I didn't notice it was open... should I retract that? I personally think we should decline it because of the firm working of the policy, but I can be flexible... Sorry! [[User:Puddleglum2.0|<span style="font-family:Impact;color:black;">Puddleglum</span>]][[User talk:Puddleglum2.0|<sup style="font-family:impact;color:silver;"> 2.0</sup>]]  16:07, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
::I've put the request '''on hold''' while it's discussed here. The IP rule is a bit inflexible but nothing we do here <u>prevents</u> any editor from copy-editing the article. IIRC, that rule was designed to stop IP editors flooding the page with requests. The article has had major edits in the last few days (9-10 Jan) so a wait would be called for to see if it settles down. It could be tagged with {{tl|Copy edit}}. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 18:20, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
:::{{U|Puddleglum2.0}}, thanks for being on top of things. We often discuss potential declines on this page, primarily to maintain a collegial working relationship among the coordinators and other Requests regulars. I have found over the years that being a coordinator works well if you sweep and mop and take out the trash without being asked, but consult with others before moving the furniture. That also keeps me from doing dumb things (as often). 

:::I have marked the article with a ce tag in the event that we decline it here. I lean toward declining but am not averse to someone adopting the article for a few hours. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 18:55, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

::::{{ping|Jonesey95}} Thank you for telling me, sorry about that! [[User:Puddleglum2.0|<span style="font-family:Impact;color:black;">Puddleglum</span>]][[User talk:Puddleglum2.0|<sup style="font-family:impact;color:silver;"> 2.0</sup>]]  20:39, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
{{od2}} The discussion about IPs flooding REQ is [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Requests/Archives/2017#A_fair_number_of_IPs_are_Requesting_copyedits_for_articles_they_haven't_worked_on|here in 2017]]. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 05:37, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
:Thanks for the link. I see that I had roughly the same opinion there and was comfortable with the consensus text that we settled on, so I withdraw my suggestion that we discuss changing it. I have {{declined}} the request without prejudice toward resubmission by an editor active on the article. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 18:58, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
==[[Anthony Barr (American football)]]==
I was just about to notify the requester of this c/e when I found, as of this morning (UTC) s/he [[User:UCLAgirl623|UCLAgirl623]] ([[User talk:UCLAgirl623|talk]]) is blocked for sockpuppetry (see user's talk page). I've thus put the request '''on hold'''. We've declined these in the past, and I would AGF for most other block reasons. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 10:51, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
:We should decline requests from sockpuppets. Someday I will be old and wise enough to stop wishing people would just behave themselves. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 14:09, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
::Since we're busy enough, I see no reason not to decline this one. All the best, [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 14:38, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
:::'''Declined''' and I'll also decline [[Pixar Pal-A-Round]] from the same editor. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 03:23, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
==[[The Amanda Show]]==
Hi all, the notability of this article's subject, a children's television show, has been questioned and the article lacks references beyond amazon.com and a blog post. It's also full of cruft. Much of the text is liable for removal so I've put it '''on hold''' and suggest decline. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 03:55, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
:Agree that we should decline. All the best, [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 14:30, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
::Full disclosure: I'm the one who tagged it for notability, with a hidden comment of "There are no references to traditional, reliable secondary sources". I did a cursory web search for sources and found basically nothing. I don't think we can reasonably copy edit this unreferenced article. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 14:48, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
:::Thanks both; I hadn't checked the history (I will do now) and also added uneffed-section tags there. '''Declined'''. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 19:34, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
== ''Sathi Leelavathi'' ==

IIRC {{U|Jonesey95}}, the co-ord {{noping|Laser brain}} said nothing about expanding the article, only improving the prose. Since he gave comments only about the "Music" section (which I addressed post-FAC) but not the other sections, I have no idea what else to rewrite. That is why I listed the article here so that you guys can do a far better job than me. --<span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family: Papyrus">[[User:Kailash29792|<b style="color: black;">Kailash29792</b>]] [[User talk:Kailash29792|<span style="color: black;">(talk)</span>]] </span> 05:28, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
:It does look like some or all of Laser brain's comments on the prose have been addressed; nice work. It is typical to see responses to such concerns from the nominating editor, but I see that you were blocked temporarily for a related issue, so you might not have been able to respond in a timely fashion. No problem. If the copy editor who takes this request happens to read this note, I suggest that they raise any further questions about unclear content on the article's talk page. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 06:15, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
::{{u|Jonesey95}}, I see many articles are now getting edited just 10 or 11 days after being submitted here. Therefore I hope someone will pick this up soon so I can return to FAC afresh. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family: Papyrus">[[User:Kailash29792|<b style="color: black;">Kailash29792</b>]] [[User talk:Kailash29792|<span style="color: black;">(talk)</span>]] </span> 11:42, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
==Excess requests==
I've removed two excess requests from REQ [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Requests&diff=938202275&oldid=938182195 here] and posted them on the requester's talk page [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:UltraSGuy&diff=prev&oldid=938201911 here]. This appears to be the former IP editor who has added Singapore-related super-requests and excess requests in the past; not a big deal but I'm noting this here for future reference. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 20:54, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
:The requester is now blocked for unwelcome behaviour; see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=938226397#Unwanted_tracking_of_edits this ANI thread]. I'm willing to AGF but I won't object if other coords think they should be declined. '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 22:10, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
::In light of the indef block and because they have two in the queue already (which we should copyedit, IMO; to do otherwise would be [[WP:GRAVEDANCE|gravedancing]]), we should probably decline these two. All the best, [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 01:28, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
:::I've argued before, and still think, that requests from blocked editors should be declined. If the articles are in bad shape, then adding a CE tag is fine, but otherwise I feel our labors would be best spent on the backlog of requests from active editors who can collaborate with us. But it's a [[WP:VOLUNTEER|free 'pedia]], so if someone finds it in their heart to improve those articles, I won't hold it against them. [[User:Tdslk|Tdslk]] ([[User talk:Tdslk|talk]]) 02:30, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
::::I appreciate your point of view, but this editor seems to be a noob with issues and I'd rather not [[WP:BITE|bite]] them. AGF and all that; deserved or not, they got a [[Special:Permalink/938264245#Unwanted tracking of edits|pretty good going-over]] at ANI. All the best, [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 03:04, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
:::::It appears that the requesting editor (who has been blocked for essentially stalking another editor) has not edited the requested articles. The articles have been heavily edited by the editor who was the target of the stalking that got the requester blocked. Since the requests are directly related to the interaction that led to the block, I think that we should '''decline''' for two reasons (connection to the block, and lack of edits on the requested articles). GOCER should not be a venue for continued negative interactions of this type, IMO. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 05:03, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
:::::::Yikes! Given that, I vote for a solid '''decline.''' [[User:Tdslk|Tdslk]] ([[User talk:Tdslk|talk]]) 05:11, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
::::::::Yikes indeed. The requesting account is very new and I should have checked article histories etc. In light of Jonesey95's comment above, my good faith went out of the window and I agree we should '''decline''' the remaining two requests. I've put them on hold for now. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 06:16, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
:::::::::I have marked both requests as Declined. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 15:25, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
==[[Vulgata Sixtina]]==
<small>[[WP:CC-BY-SA|CC-BY-SA]]; text below copied from REQ [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Requests&oldid=939976638#Vulgata_Sixtina here] by me, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 21:34, 9 February 2020 (UTC)</small>
 
Request for c/e for GAN on behalf of  [[User:Veverve|Veverve]] ([[User talk:Veverve|talk]])  [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors#Need_copy_editing_for_two_articles|here]].  23:49, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
:NOTE: Please be thourought and do not be afraid to make important changes. I have written most of the article, do not be afraid to ask me any question you would have. [[User:Veverve|Veverve]] ([[User talk:Veverve|talk]]) 22:23, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
::{{Working}} [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 21:20, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
::<s>{{On hold}}, until {{u|Veverve}} finishes their revisions (and stops edit-conflicting with me {{-)}}) [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 15:22, 8 February 2020 (UTC)</s>
:::{{Partly done}} (the lead and the Council of Trent section at the top of History): What I thought were revisions was the reversion of a time-consuming section. {{u|Veverve}} may not yet understand how we work. [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 16:43, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
::::I disagree that [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vulgata_Sixtina&type=revision&diff=939757495&oldid=939755989 my edits] are a "reversion." I am sorry, as I [[User_talk:Veverve#Edit_conflict|told Miniapolis]], if those edits created an edit conflict, and will refrain from editing while a copy editor is working on an article for which I requested copy editing. [[User:Veverve|Veverve]] ([[User talk:Veverve|talk]]) 17:06, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

<s>:{{Working}} I'll have a look. [[User:Twofingered Typist|Twofingered Typist]] ([[User talk:Twofingered Typist|talk]]) 13:27, 9 February 2020 (UTC)</s>

::{{Done}} [[User:Twofingered Typist|Twofingered Typist]] ([[User talk:Twofingered Typist|talk]]) 15:06, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
== Question ==

Hi all! (Especially coords) I was wondering - do we copy-edit articles that don't have any DyK, GA, or FA nom planned on the future at the Requests page? There is now at least one request that I see where it's just asking for a copyedit without plans for any nom. Instead of requesting here, should one instead slap a copyedit tag on the article so that this page different get clogged with very low-priority requests? It might just be me, but I imagined the Requests page as a page to request articles that are preparing for a nomination, whereas the backlog was a place for articles with just bad grammar. Thanks for your thoughts all! [[User:Puddleglum2.0|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:navy;">Puddleglum</span>]][[User talk:Puddleglum2.0|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:silver;"><sup>2.0</sup></span>]] 04:00, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
:We copy-edit all Requests, with most of our exceptions described on the Requests page itself. People have their reasons for placing Requests, and we assume good faith. Our backlog used to be very long, so putting a copyedit tag on an article meant that it might be a year or more before it was edited. Even now, the backlog is a few months, so the Requests page gives faster results. The two-article-per-requester limit was put in place to prevent the Requests page from getting too full, and it has worked pretty well. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 04:16, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
::Thanks, that answers my question! :) [[User:Puddleglum2.0|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:navy;">Puddleglum</span>]][[User talk:Puddleglum2.0|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:silver;"><sup>2.0</sup></span>]] 13:06, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
==[[Climate sensitivity]]==
<small>[[CC-BY-SA]] declaration: text in this section copied from REQ [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Requests&oldid=942367291#Climate_sensitivity here] by '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]'''</small><blockquote>

As you can see from [[Talk:Climate_sensitivity#Bad_prose?]] it would be great if this article could be made a bit more understandable to people who are not scientists. If you don't understand something yourself in the article please ask rather than assuming. Thanks in advance for doing your bit to save the world.[[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 16:02, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
:<s>Chidgk1, are you in the right place? It's unlikely most copy-editors here are climate scientists (I'm not) so it's unlikely many of us will understand the article (esp. the maths) well enough to translate technical terms into plain language, which goes beyond general copy-editing. '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 21:05, 20 February 2020 (UTC) </s>
:{{Re|Chidgk1}} I don't see why it needs to be made simpler on this language. The depth of the subject appears to require a decent understanding of meteorology and relevant fields to properly convey its information. Does it have an article in Simple English? If you want laypeople to understand the subject it's better to go there. Now if you want us to take a look and see if it is clear of ambiguities, that's something we can do. --<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu</span> ([[User:Tenryuu|🐲]] • [[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|🌟]]) 21:14, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
::{{working}}. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 21:43, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
:::Thanks all of you for responding so quickly. I am not a climate scientist either but Femkemilene (who wrote much of the article) is so if there is something we don't understand between us we can ask her. Having read it a few times and written a very short [[:Simple:Climate sensitivity]] I think I understand most of it so you might want to ping me first as she is no doubt busier than me. Please don't hesitate to ask even if the question seems stupid as it is definitely a tough subject so we don't want any mistakes to slip in during the copy-edit.[[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 10:42, 21 February 2020 (UTC) </blockquote> '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 06:53, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
==[[Mindie Burgoyne]]==
I've put this request '''on hold''' because I have concerns about the subject's notability, having looked through the list of refs. Most of the refs are to regional or local US newsapers; the titles indicate the article's subject isn't the main subject of most of the texts used as references; which is the case with the [https://web.archive.org/web/20171031162924/https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/travel/on-marylands-eastern-shore-walking-among-the-spirits/2014/10/02/80c78406-45bb-11e4-9a15-137aa0153527_story.html Washington Post ref]. I've accordingly done a clean-up of some of the trivial text and marked it with {{tl|Notability}}. For the text I've removed, see its [[Talk:Mindie Burgoyne|talk page]].
I know it's not our place to pronounce on notability issues but after I've cleaned it up there's not much left to do so I suggest declining. Courtesy pinging the requester {{ping|TJMSmith}}. '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 07:39, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

::Since you've already copy edited the article isn't declining it a moot point? The article has been around since 2018 when the requestor created it, and as you point out, it's not our place to decide notability. You've preserved the "trivial" text on the Talk page, I'd suggest giving it a GOCE tag and archiving the request. Whichever group deals with Notability tags (if there is one) can take it from here. Cheers [[User:Twofingered Typist|Twofingered Typist]] ([[User talk:Twofingered Typist|talk]]) 13:48, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
:::Thanks for your comments, TT. I put the request '''on hold''' and brought the issue here for [[Wikipedia:Process is important|process]] because declaring it '''done''' would be inappropriate. Doing just a tidy-up and removing some off-topic text to the article's talk page isn't a copy-edit. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 01:25, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
::::FWIW, Baffle, IMO the article's subject {{em|just}} meets [[WP:GNG]]. As I understand the guideline, a (an?) RS can be regional or local; it just needs editorial oversight and independence from the subject. All the best, [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 01:55, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::Thanks Miniapolis; <s>I'll take another look at the article.</s> I've cleaned up the article to the best of my ability and removed the hold notice. Someone else can do the requested c/e. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 06:26, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

::::::Apologies ... I should have looked at it more closely. I'll run through it. [[User:Twofingered Typist|Twofingered Typist]] ([[User talk:Twofingered Typist|talk]]) 13:49, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::::Thanks all for improving the article! [[User:TJMSmith|TJMSmith]] ([[User talk:TJMSmith|talk]]) 14:30, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

== Andaaz ==

FWIW, I see no reason why Andrewwinn3 should not continue with their copy edit of [[Andaaz]]. I had a look at what has been done so far and apart from a couple of minor things, it looks fine. Krish! should not assume an editor with experience on Wikipedia is a good editor, or the contrary. One of the coordinators can check it when it is done and offer the appropriate suggestions if necessary. What say you? I've put a note on Andrewwinn3's Talk page. [[User:Twofingered Typist|Twofingered Typist]] ([[User talk:Twofingered Typist|talk]]) 20:23, 19 March 2020 (UTC) {{ping|Krish!}}
:That was my view as well after looking at the first set of edits. I saw a few errors introduced in {{U|Andrewwinn3}}'s copy edits, but overall improvements. I do recommend a review by a coordinator or other experienced copy editor when Andrewwinn3's edits are complete. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 21:30, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
::If everyone can be patient, I see no reason not to let Andrewwinn3 run with it. – [[User:Reidgreg|Reidgreg]] ([[User talk:Reidgreg|talk]]) 23:16, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
:::I agree the c/e should continue, though I've not checked Andrewwinn3's copy-edits. Krish doesn't get to choose who copy-edits the article and if he disagrees with something the c/e does he can discuss with the copy-editor in the normal way or bring it here. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 00:29, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Twofingered Typist|Jonesey95|Reidgreg|Baffle gab1978}} I wanted to add that his copy-edits were fine. It's just I was unsure about his history (less than 30 edits over 7 years) that's all. I have no problems with him copy-editing the article. Now it seems he is offline again  for god knows how long. That's what I meant when I wrote made that suggestion.[[User:Krish!|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:Red">'''''Krish'''''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:Krish!|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:Black">'''''Talk To Me'''''</span>]] 02:14, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::{{U|Krish!}}: Please re-read what you wrote on the Requests page, and see if it is consistent with [[Wikipedia:Assume good faith]]. Please wait for the copy edit to be completed before judging the edits. If the editor who accepted the request is idle for a long period, the coordinators will handle that situation. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 03:39, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::: I apologize for being absent for the past two days. I plan to finish up the copy edits today.[[User:Andrewwinn3|Andrewwinn3]] ([[User talk:Andrewwinn3|talk]]) 17:22, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
== Improperly deleted request ==

Back on March 20, I submitted [[San Michele Arcangelo ai Corridori di Borgo]] for a copyedit on this page. There were significant issues with the article at DYK, and I thought it would be helpful if the guild gave it a copyedit. Some days thereafter, someone else stopped by and gave it a copyedit, though I thought afterward that another pair of eyes would be useful, and a few places could use more work, including those with impenetrable prose studded with wikilinks of technical terms every few words.

On April 1, [[User:Alessandro57|Alessandro57]], who created the article and had nominated it at DYK, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Requests&diff=948493415&oldid=948478170 deleted my request] from the Requests page, without consulting me, despite it not being their request. I thought I should let you know, because the deletion messes up the archiving, and because it was my request that was deleted. Rather than restore it myself, I'll leave it to the coordinators to decide whether it should be restored or not, though if it is restored it shouldn't have to go back to the end of the line. Thank you. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 01:31, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

:Thanks {{ping|BlueMoonset}}, I've restored the request to the top of the list. I don't understand why it was removed without discussion (perhaps the removing editor will explain) and I'm sorry I didn't notice the removal. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 02:07, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
::I jumped on this article and had the pleasure of copy-editing it over the last hour or so. Sorry for the mixup. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 04:30, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
:::Hallo {{ping|Baffle gab1978}} I explained my action on the talk page of BlueMoonset: Johnbod, the editor who actually asked for the copyediting (but without formally writing the request, which was filled by BlueMoonset), suddenly did himself the copyedit, and gave green light for the review at the article's DYK page. I noticed his message on the DYK, and supposed that the copyediting at this point was superfluous, so I deleted the request. Now I understand that I should have at least pinged BlueMoonset and asked him to do so. My fault, sorry! [[User:Alessandro57|Alex2006]] ([[User talk:Alessandro57|talk]]) 06:16, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
::::Hi Alessandro57, thank you for explaining. It's usually a good idea to discuss any issues with the requesting editor or to leave a message on this page and ping the requester to the discussion. Still the mystery is solved and the article has had some extra attention so all is good. :) Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 06:44, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
:::::Thanks, [[User:Baffle gab1978|Baffle gab1978]] and [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]]; the article reads better now, and the issues noted can now be clarified by  [[User:Alessandro57|Alex2006]]. I hope it finds a DYK reviewer soon. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 15:31, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
== Romania ==

Note to Editioneer re request.

Hello:

I see that you have asked for another copy edit of the article Romania. It appears from your request that you expect the editor to fix all of the questions the reviewer has about the article's content. That is not what we do at the Guild of Copy Editors. In my earlier note to you I suggested that the article needed updating and the GA reviewer has found other issues with the article's content which need to be addressed. I would suggest that your request for a copy edit is premature until all of the content issues are addressed.

If you agree, you can withdraw your request on the Guild's Request page.

Best wishes moving forward with the article.

[[User:Twofingered Typist|Twofingered Typist]] ([[User talk:Twofingered Typist|talk]]) 12:44, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
==[[2020 coronavirus pandemic in Iran]]==
Hi all; I've placed the c/e request for this article '''on hold''' because it is about an ongoing event and is being heavily edited. I suggest we decline this without prejudice to being relisted when the article is stable. Courtesy pinging {{Ping|Saff V.}} to this discussion. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 00:12, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
*'''Support placing on hold.''' The coronavirus articles see a lot of traffic everyday and are being updated everyday with new numbers and information on the timeline. While past items on timelines generally don't see much change it would be aggravating to edit the article only to find that an edit conflict occurs every single time someone decides to go publishing changes and adds more content that might need to be copyedited. [[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]] (&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]])  00:26, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
:*It has 100 edits in the past week, and given the questions about the reliability of death counts (a situation not unique to Iran), this article will probably not be stable any time soon. I suggest '''declining''' without prejudice to future submission when the article is more stable. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 01:47, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
::: Except my edits that I am just trying to make the best categories for material, [[2020 coronavirus pandemic in Iran]] is not edited by users extremely, for example, you can see that on 9 April there were just 3 edits! The rate of visitation is high but the rate of editing is not! please see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Iran#Prisons this section], it really needs copy edit. I hope to give it try.[[User:Saff V.|Saff V.]] ([[User talk:Saff V.|talk]]) 07:08, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
::::{{u|Saff V.}}, the point is that it's still being edited pretty frequently in the past few days. There's no point in doing a copyedit if there's a high chance of being interrupted by edits and dealing with edit conflicts while revising. [[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]] (&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]])  07:11, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
*'''Eh, I'll do it.''' I agree that we wouldn't normally review an article in such a state of flux, but people are pretty urgently searching for information on the topic right now. To the extent that I can help Wikipedia help people get good information when they need it, I'll consider it as worth my time. [[User:Tdslk|Tdslk]] ([[User talk:Tdslk|talk]]) 17:24, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
:*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Iran&type=revision&diff=950550739&oldid=949617296 These are the edits in the past 5 days]. That is a lot of change, including significant restructuring. Thanks, {{U|Tdslk}}, for taking it on. I think that giving highly visited articles like this a quick cleanup can be valuable, since so many people are reading them. Just don't get too attached to the idea of your edits becoming semi-permanent. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 18:04, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
:::I can live with that. If my edits are all gone in five days, they will still have gotten more views than most articles I edit get in years! [[User:Tdslk|Tdslk]] ([[User talk:Tdslk|talk]]) 19:06, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
==[[Indira Gandhi]]==
I was about to start a c/e of this large article when I saw it has an {{tl|Under construction}} template and has been heavily edited in the past 24 hours. I'm willing to wait a few days for it to settle down so I've placed the request '''on hold''' while the work goes ahead. Courtesy pinging the requester, {{ping|25 Cents FC}}. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 04:00, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

::Hi mate, thanks for the consideration. You can start CE. I gave up and have no intentions to improve the article so far. As it seems user Jonathansammy doesn't like the article to be improved. Good luck.--[[User:25 Cents FC|<span style="font-family:Brush Script MT;color:MediumSlateBlue">25 CENTS VICTORIOUS</span>]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:25 Cents FC|<span style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black">☣</span>]]</sup> 17:56, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
:::Thanks for your reply, 25 Cents. I'll be happy to remove the hold notice in a few days when it's fairly stable. Hold notices are purely advisory; we can't stop anyone editing if they wish to. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 21:03, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

::::Make sense. I will start working on it once it's done with CE. Thanks for the response mate.--[[User:25 Cents FC|<span style="font-family:Brush Script MT;color:MediumSlateBlue">25 CENTS VICTORIOUS</span>]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:25 Cents FC|<span style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black">☣</span>]]</sup> 13:50, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
::::Hold removed; there's been no edits in the past 24 hours so I've struck my hold notice. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 10:27, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
==Request for Aramaic original New Testament theory==

As a formality, I've put the request '''on hold''' for now. Added to the lack of refs, there's a mass overuse of quotations and much essay-like text. The article needs a [[WP:Cleanup|cleanup]] rather than a c/e. I suggest we decline this request without prejudice to relisting once the problems are fixed. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 10:18, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
:Agree, especially since the requester seems to be okay with our declining. Stay well and all the best, [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 13:37, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
::I agree that this article needs cleanup, including paraphrasing and/or shortening of the very long quotes in order to allow them to illustrate a point rather than just being a huge text block, before copy editing. The lead also seems pretty long to me. When I wrote the message below, I had only given the article a cursory glance for obvious issues like cn tags. Pinging {{U|Veverve}} for comment. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 14:47, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
:::I agree with the refusal. [[User:Veverve|Veverve]] ([[User talk:Veverve|talk]]) 14:52, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
::::Thanks all; request declined. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 21:05, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
===[[Aramaic original New Testament theory]]===
<small>[[CC-BY-SA]] declaration; text in this subsec was moved from the Requests page by me, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 10:18, 16 April 2020 (UTC). </small>

No deadline. [[User:Veverve|Veverve]] ([[User talk:Veverve|talk]]) 08:30, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
:{{U|Veverve}}, thanks for this request. It would be great if you could clear up the "citation needed" tags before a copy edit starts. It can be challenging to copy edit unsourced prose. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 15:01, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
::{{ping|Jonesey95}} sorry, I cannot fix it. If it is not possible to copy edit, then feel free to cancel my request. [[User:Veverve|Veverve]] ([[User talk:Veverve|talk]]) 15:54, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
==[[Medical cannabis]] request==

===Medical cannabis===
<small>[[CC-BY-SA]] declaration; text in this subsec was moved from the Requests page by me, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 20:29, 17 April 2020 (UTC)</small>

I am making this request as part of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Cannabis/420 Collaboration]]'s content improvement drive for April 2020. I also participate in WikiProject Medicine.

I am only requesting copyediting for one section or one lead of an article.

The section [[Medical_cannabis#Society_and_culture]] is heavy on perspective of the United States. There is also an article [[Medical cannabis in the United States]]. I propose to replace all of that "medical cannabis" with the lead of the "Medical cannabis in the United States" article. 

The copyediting help which I request is any of the following:
#post to either talk page with comments about how to prevent this content [[WP:FORK]] and reconcile the content
#edit the lead of "Medical cannabis in the United States", being mindful that we should reuse some or all of this text as a subsection in Medical_cannabis#Society_and_culture
#If it seems challenging then I will resolve this based on comments and suggestions, if it seems easier, then please just shorten that United States section in Medical cannabis and I will check it

Thanks from WikiProjects Cannabis and Medicine. [[User:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">''' Blue Rasberry '''</span>]][[User talk:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">(talk)</span>]] 15:21, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

:Hi {{Ping|Blueraspberry}}; I've given that paragraph and the lead of [[Medical cannabis in the United States]] a copy-edit pass, so if you're happy I'll declare it '''Done'''. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 02:38, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
::{{u|Baffle gab1978}}, If someone's willing, I'd like to see other sections reviewed as well. ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 14:41, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Another Believer}}, you already have two requests on this page. If you wish to take over this request from Blueraspberry, you'll need to remove one of them '''and''' discuss it with BR. Please reply at REQ talk, where I'm moving this discussion. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 20:25, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
::::{{u|Baffle gab1978}}, No worries ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 20:27, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
{{od2}}No replies to talk page messages and pings so I'm declaring this request '''Done''' and will manually archive. '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 22:55, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
::::Fixing ping for [[User:Bluerasberry|Bluerasberry]] (no "p" in name) so they know they've been queried. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 22:30, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
== Tuqaq ==

Hey Team,

At the moment I put [[Tuqaq]] on hold, instead of declining it as I wanted consensus. The article only has 503 words. I do not feel there is enough information to warrant a ce. Any consensus before I notify the user of the declination? 

Thanks,
[[User:Galendalia|Galendalia]]<sup>[[User talk:Galendalia|Chat Me Up]]</sup> 22:24, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
:Hi {{u|Galendalia}}. I don't see a reason to decline this article. Short articles can be fine, and also in need of copy editing. The subject died over a thousand years ago, so it's not surprising that there's little information about him. Regards, [[User:Tdslk|Tdslk]] ([[User talk:Tdslk|talk]]) 22:48, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
:: Thanks [[User|Tdslk]] [[User:Galendalia|Galendalia]]<sup>[[User talk:Galendalia|Chat Me Up]]</sup> 23:58, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
:::Agree with {{u|Tdslk}}. Stay well and all the best, [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 00:46, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
== Idiot Wind and GA reviews ==

{{ping|Galendalia}} Please be aware that [[Idiot Wind]] was placed on hold for a GA review on 28 April.  You may want to hold your copy editing for now, to avoid edit conflicts as the article is undergoing changes.

GA reviews have been happening pretty quickly, as they're in the middle of a [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/GAN Backlog Drives/April–May 2020|two-month drive]].  Like GOCE, they are set to entirely clear their backlog by the end of May. –&nbsp;[[User:Reidgreg|Reidgreg]] ([[User talk:Reidgreg|talk]]) 12:15, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
:Ha I would have known that had they put the tag at the top of the page like they are supposed to. I removed the GOCE tag and category. [[User:Galendalia|Galendalia]] ([[User talk:Galendalia|talk]]) 12:44, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

::Before copy editing an article, it's always a good idea to: (a) check the article history for recent edits, and (b) check the article talk page for notices.  There are a lot of acceptable ways to edit and show that you're editing.  Not everybody likes banners at the top of the article, and bots will remove those if the editor is taking their time between edits. –&nbsp;[[User:Reidgreg|Reidgreg]] ([[User talk:Reidgreg|talk]]) 12:55, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

:: Gotcha! It was just next up on our list so I grabbed it. I’ll put that on hold later today and find a different one. Again thanks for the heads up! [[User:Galendalia|Galendalia]] ([[User talk:Galendalia|talk]]) 13:12, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
:::{{Re|Reidgreg}} - I see you already tagged it. Thank you. [[User:Galendalia|Galendalia]]<sup>[[User talk:Galendalia|Chat Me Up]]</sup> 17:00, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

::::Ok thanks  [[User:Galendalia|Galendalia]]<sup>[[User talk:Galendalia|Chat Me Up]]</sup> 22:50, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
==[[Help:Introduction]] series on hold==
Hi all; I've just put this request on hold because it's not an article and the request is essentially a super-request to c/e the entire series of introductory pages. I understand these pages should be written as clearly as possible but we don't generally work on non-article pages. I suggest we decline this request, though I've no problem if someone wants to work on these pages. Courtesy pinging the requester, {{ping|Sdkb}}. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 11:01, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
::My feeling is if someone feels something is wrong, they should specifically list the pages and what seems wrong as this is a lot for people to be [[re|Baffle gab1978]]. [[User:Galendalia|Galendalia]]<sup>[[User talk:Galendalia|Chat Me Up]]</sup> 22:26, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
:I'm a bit torn. I don't have a philosophical objection to editing a non-article page if it is useful to Wikipedia as a whole, and it's the kind of project where I'd be inclined to take it on myself if others don't want it. But we are pretty swamped right now, and it looks like a lot of pages. Maybe if they only asked for two at a time? Regards, [[User:Tdslk|Tdslk]] ([[User talk:Tdslk|talk]]) 22:56, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
::I agree with {{u|Tdslk}}; it would be good for us to do eventually, but not now. Stay well and all the best, [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 23:33, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
:::I think the fundamental question is: Should the Requests page be limited to articles? I'm surprised that this hasn't come up. I think the answer is yes. One of the GOCE's strengths is limiting our scope of work. Limiting our work to articles seems like a good choice, since they are the core part of Wikipedia that contains prose intended for reading by regular non-Wikipedia-affiliated people. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 01:33, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
::::Good point, and we have enough to do as it is. Stay well and all the best, [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 13:41, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
:The series is (at least to my eyes) in pretty good shape, so no worries if you decide not to take it on. Regarding the more general question, I'm obviously an outsider here so it's not up to me to decide, but my view would be that there could certainly be cases where copy editing a non-article page would be more useful than an article. For instance [[WP:About]] (which isn't ready for a ce yet; it needs a massive overhaul from the ground up) gets tens of thousands of views a day, more than many FAs. But yeah, as you descend into the realm of essays, you're going to quickly reach the point where the only reason something might seem important is that, as editors, we have a bias toward the areas of Wikipedia meant for editors. Cheers, <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 17:42, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
::FWIW, while I think we should formally decline this request, I have copy-edited all of the pages except those related to the VisualEditor, which I do not use. I believe that much of the VE content is redundant with the Wiki markup content and should be transcluded rather than duplicated. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 19:52, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
{{od2}} Thanks all for your comments, and for Jonesey for doing the decent thing, :) '''Declined'''. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 22:32, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

== Set up a link between WikiProjects ==

So [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Current events]] is basically a shorter version of this WikiProject, excepts it deals with the articles in [[Portal:Current events]].  From experience editing the portal, a decent amount of articles added to the portal can be stubs, as the information in the article might have happened a few hours earlier.  Should a link be set up from this [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors|WikiProject]] to the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Current events|Current event WikiProject]] as they are so closely related?  (More of a vote than a question) [[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip|talk]]) 20:17, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
:* '''Leaning oppose'''. Current events tend to be edited rather frequently which can make copyediting frustrating if an edit conflict occurs or if new information that also needs copyediting is inserted. It would be better if it were stable (as in relatively few edits are being made to it over a period of time), but that usually happens when the event becomes not so current. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;)  20:43, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
:::With over 60 requests, the Drive and the backlog, I think we have enough work to do at the moment. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 22:26, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
::::I don't see the connection. I don't understand how copy editing and improving articles about current events are related any more than copy editing and improving articles about football or chemistry are related. Copy editing is topic-independent; if it has prose, it can probably be copy-edited. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 22:31, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
[[File:Symbol watching blue lashes.svg|18px]] '''Courtesy ping''': {{u|Elijahandskip}} due to responses. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;)  22:36, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
:Agree with Jonesey, Baffle and Tenryuu. Sorry, but this would not be a good fit at all. Stay well and all the best, [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 02:00, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
::I'm more willing to copy edit "newsy" articles than some around here, but I'm not sure what the the idea behind a link would be. There's already a "Current events" link on the left of every page if we want to review articles in the news. Were you imagining something different? Regards, [[User:Tdslk|Tdslk]] ([[User talk:Tdslk|talk]]) 05:27, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
== Request for William Morrison's copyedit to be re-opened ==

I've left a [[User talk:A21sauce#The copyedit request you took on 2 weeks ago|message]] on {{U|A21sauce}}'s talk page, but the request had been marked as being worked 2 weeks ago. Should that request be re-opened? --<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu</span> ([[User:Tenryuu|🐲]] • [[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|🌟]]) 04:35, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
:Correctly pinging {{Ping|A21sauce}} this time. --<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu</span> ([[User:Tenryuu|🐲]] • [[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|🌟]]) 04:36, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
::Thanks Tenryuu, I'll check it out and <s>remind A21 on his/her talk page</s>I see you've already done that, thanks. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 04:46, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

A21sauce left a message on my talk page and stated that they will "attend to the article very soon." --<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu</span> ([[User:Tenryuu|🐲]] • [[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|🌟]]) 18:48, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

{{Done}}--[[User:A21sauce|A21sauce]] ([[User talk:A21sauce|talk]]) 18:59, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

===[[William Morrison (chemist)]]===
I've just put this request '''on hold'''; it is being actively developed by the requester (last edit as of my timestamp 21:41, 5 March 2020‎ ) and received a c/e finishing on 27 February [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=William_Morrison_%28chemist%29&action=historysubmit&type=revision&diff=942933198&oldid=942883219 diff]. {{ping|Doug Coldwell}}, is there a particular reason it should be back here in little over a week? We like articles to be stable before we c/e them, otherwise the copy-editor's time and effort are easily wiped out by an active developer. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 07:40, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|Baffle gab1978}} I'm finished with my development and will stop editing the article. I am interested in getting a copy edit since I have done substantial work from the last copy edit from GOGE. I am preparing for GAN. [[User:Reidgreg]] at 19:24 5 March 2020 (UTC) said that would be alright to list it again. Thanks for doing another copy edit. I appreciate it.--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ([[User talk:Doug Coldwell|talk]]) 11:04, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
::Whoops.  I must have looked at the request date rather than the completion date.  (Plus we were running short on requests.)  My cursory inspection suggested the article had had a 25% expansion (then some trimming) since the February copy edit.  Certainly, we should be sure that it's reached a point of content stability before copy editing. – [[User:Reidgreg|Reidgreg]] ([[User talk:Reidgreg|talk]]) 15:48, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
:::No problems and thanks both for your replies. I'll take off the hold note. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 20:31, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

==[[Climate sensitivity]]==
<small>[[CC-BY-SA]] declaration; text in this section copied from REQ [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Requests&oldid=944795591#Climate_sensitivity here] by me, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 05:44, 10 March 2020 (UTC)</small>

As you can see from [[Talk:Climate_sensitivity#Bad_prose?]] it would be great if this article could be made a bit more understandable to people who are not scientists. If you don't understand something yourself in the article please ask rather than assuming. Thanks in advance for doing your bit to save the world.[[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 16:02, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
:<s>Chidgk1, are you in the right place? It's unlikely most copy-editors here are climate scientists (I'm not) so it's unlikely many of us will understand the article (esp. the maths) well enough to translate technical terms into plain language, which goes beyond general copy-editing. '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 21:05, 20 February 2020 (UTC) </s>
:{{Re|Chidgk1}} I don't see why it needs to be made simpler on this language. The depth of the subject appears to require a decent understanding of meteorology and relevant fields to properly convey its information. Does it have an article in Simple English? If you want laypeople to understand the subject it's better to go there. Now if you want us to take a look and see if it is clear of ambiguities, that's something we can do. --<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu</span> ([[User:Tenryuu|🐲]] • [[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|🌟]]) 21:14, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
::{{working}}. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 21:43, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
:::Thanks all of you for responding so quickly. I am not a climate scientist either but Femkemilene (who wrote much of the article) is so if there is something we don't understand between us we can ask her. Having read it a few times and written a very short [[:Simple:Climate sensitivity]] I think I understand most of it so you might want to ping me first as she is no doubt busier than me. Please don't hesitate to ask even if the question seems stupid as it is definitely a tough subject so we don't want any mistakes to slip in during the copy-edit.[[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 10:42, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
::::Are you still working on this, {{Ping|jonesey95}}? Your last edit there was  06:08, 25 February 2020‎. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 08:15, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::Yes. There was a bit of a hullabaloo on the article's talk page, so I was waiting for things to settle down. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 15:30, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
::::::{{done}}. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 23:42, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

== Requests completed by LegesRomanorum ==

Guild member {{u|LegesRomanorum}} has edited a number of articles from the Requests page within the past day. I reviewed one of these, [[You Go to My Head (film)|''You Go to My Head'' (film)]], and noticed several issues that might have been resolved with an additional read through of the article. I have suggested to LegesRomanorum at their talk page that they do this for all of their other Requests articles. In the meantime, I propose that these articles be marked as "partially done" so that they do not get archived by the bot. Regards, [[User:Tdslk|Tdslk]] ([[User talk:Tdslk|talk]]) 18:35, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

:{{u|LegesRomanorum}} has agreed to my suggestion (and many thanks for showing a good spirit in doing so!), so I have marked these articles as "partially done" for now. [[User:Tdslk|Tdslk]] ([[User talk:Tdslk|talk]]) 20:24, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

::{{u|Tdslk}} - no problem. Is there anywhere you'd like me to signal when I've done that, or shall I just change them back to "done" as I'm going back through them? [[User:LegesRomanorum|LegesRomanorum]] ([[User talk:LegesRomanorum|talk]]) 23:07, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

:: I've now re-read the first batch of about 4 shorter ones and marked them as Done again - you're welcome to spot check any of those if you want, I'll hold off on doing any more until tomorrow. [[User:LegesRomanorum|LegesRomanorum]] ([[User talk:LegesRomanorum|talk]]) 23:07, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
:::Please go ahead and take a second look at the rest of the articles. You're making lots of good improvements! Regards, [[User:Tdslk|Tdslk]] ([[User talk:Tdslk|talk]]) 19:19, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
Checked [[What's a Nice Girl Like You Doing in a Place Like This?]]; left a note on LegesRomanorum's Talk page. [[User:Twofingered Typist|Twofingered Typist]] ([[User talk:Twofingered Typist|talk]]) 13:02, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
::::This is just to let everyone involved (especially {{u|Tdslk}}) know that I will be working a little bit more slowly over the next couple of days, so please don't worry if the last few articles aren't re-checked instantly - rest assured that a) I will take a second look at everything that's been marked Partially Done, and b) I will not copy-edit anything else until they have been re-checked first. Best wishes, [[User:LegesRomanorum|LegesRomanorum]] ([[User talk:LegesRomanorum|talk]]) 22:49, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
:::::Thanks for the update! Cheers, [[User:Tdslk|Tdslk]] ([[User talk:Tdslk|talk]]) 23:02, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
==[[You Don't Own Me]] and [[Islamic advice literature]]  on hold==
Hi all; I know it's rather [[WP:SNOW|snowy]] but the requests [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Requests&oldid=959513999#Islamic_advice_literature here] for these two articles are asking for expansion rather than copy-editing, so i've placed them '''on hold'''. {{ping|Buidhe}} already marked them with {{tl|declined}} and I fully understand and agree with the reason but discussing it here allows consensus and discussion. Also courtesy pinging the requester, {{ping|Bookku}}. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 04:44, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:I think, per their comment on my talk page, that the nominator was a bit confused about the meaning of "copy editing" in English. <span style="background:Black;padding:1px 5px">[[User:Buidhe|<b style="color: White">b</b>]][[User talk:Buidhe|<b style="color: White">uidh</b>]][[Special:Contributions/Buidhe|<b style="color: White">e</b>]]</span> 04:53, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
::If the requester is asking us to expand the articles for them, rather than copy edit, then it's clearly not a job for the Requests page. Regards, [[User:Tdslk|Tdslk]] ([[User talk:Tdslk|talk]]) 06:07, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

:::Sorry, for inconvenience I was under impression that copy edit process includes update & expansion. I did not know it is limited potential. When I was scouting on user talk pages for support some one suggested me this project page and posted here. You can consider the request void for this project. 

:::IMHO Wikipedia should have had a common project for update & expansion editors. On the individual project pages most request seem to go unanswered. 

:::Thanks and regards

:::[[User:Bookku|Bookku]] ([[User talk:Bookku|talk]]) 07:00, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
::::'''Decline''' these good-faith requests. A simple misunderstanding. Thanks Baffle for bringing the discussion here. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 13:21, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:::::Thanks all for your comments and understanding; I've struck and moved my hold notes. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 21:31, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
== WiFi Issues ==

I have serious WiFi issues and until these are resolved I will be away from WP. COVID-19 seriously limits places where I can access public WiFi.

[[User:Twofingered Typist|Twofingered Typist]] ([[User talk:Twofingered Typist|talk]]) 13:26, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
:Hope they're fixed soon. Stay well and all the best, [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 15:54, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
==Proposal to limit requests==
Hi all; the Requests page is getting rather full now, at 74 requests, including those in play, as of my timestamp. We have a limited number of copy-editors and process requests takes time. To keep the level of requests manageable, I propose if that number reaches 100, we should decrease the limit per requester to one request at a time, excluding those already listed. There could also be a point at which we close the page to new requests, I'd suggest around 150. We could return the limit to two once enough requests have been dealt with and we reach a threshold of 50 requests or whatever limit is deemed acceptable. And to think we were down to three requests just a few months ago. All comments are welcome. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 04:52, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
:My gut feeling is that we should wait until after the blitz to see what the queue looks like then. We might make some progress. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 05:11, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
::Yes, I think that would be a god idea. I hope we won't need to do anything. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 06:54, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
:::While I don't think it's quite a "god" idea, I also think it would be good to wait until after the blitz to see how things are then. :) Cheers, -- [[User:Puddleglum2.0|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:navy;"><b>puddleglum</b></span>]][[User talk:Puddleglum2.0|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:silver;"><sup><i>2.0</i></sup></span>]] 19:37, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
==[[He Jiong]]==
Hi all; the request for this article was made by an IP editor [[User:183.90.37.54]], who has only made one edit there. The request is for GAN but other than a long, unreferenced laundry list of television appearances there's very little text to copy-edit there. I suggest we decline this request without prejudice to relisting once the article has been further developed. I will inform the IP editor of this discussion on his/her talk page. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 08:51, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
:Agree. Thanks, Baffle and all the best, [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 13:36, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
::Also agree. [[User:Tdslk|Tdslk]] ([[User talk:Tdslk|talk]]) 17:43, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
:::Thanks all; request declined. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 22:04, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
===[[Hua Chenyu]]===
:::{{ping|Tdslk|Miniapolis|Baffle gab1978}} Also by the same IP is a request to copyedit [[Hua Chenyu]] - there's been some IP editing there recently from different ip's, but I don't see anything from 180.93. I've put on hold for now awaiting discussion, would appreciate some input. Cheers, -- [[User:Puddleglum2.0|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:navy;"><b>puddleglum</b></span>]][[User talk:Puddleglum2.0|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:silver;"><sup><i>2.0</i></sup></span>]] 20:21, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
::::Hi Puddleglum; I hope you don't mind but I've sub-sectioned this discussion. I agree we should also decline this one; we have enough requests without trying to parse poorly translated material. {{green|"His strong body language and singing style make him a luminous body on the stage. His voice is full of tension, the language of the whole body and the power of singing are perfectly matched, and the strength of the loud voice also has its layered sense. "}}—pure poetry! Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 21:59, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
:::::Agree with Baffle (again {{-)}}). Stay well and all the best, [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 23:24, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
::::::OK, I've gone ahead and add the declined template. -- [[User:Puddleglum2.0|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:navy;"><b>puddleglum</b></span>]][[User talk:Puddleglum2.0|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:silver;"><sup><i>2.0</i></sup></span>]] 02:33, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
== ArnabSaha requests ==

I noticed that {{u|ArnabSaha}} has more than two requests open, maybe they are unaware of the rule? Posting here so that it can be dealt with. <span style="background:Black;padding:1px 5px">[[User:Buidhe|<b style="color: White">b</b>]][[User talk:Buidhe|<b style="color: White">uidh</b>]][[Special:Contributions/Buidhe|<b style="color: White">e</b>]]</span> 23:25, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
:So they did. I removed their third (most recent) request and left a note on their talk page. Thanks for bringing this to our attention! [[User:Tdslk|Tdslk]] ([[User talk:Tdslk|talk]]) 00:28, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
::{{u|Tdslk}}, {{u|Buidhe}} sir, i was unaware of the rule. is it possible to remove [[Kolkata Suburban Railway]] instead of [[East Bengal FC]]? <b><span style="background:#444;padding:2px 12px;font-size:12px"><span style="color:#FC0;letter-spacing:-2px">❯❯❯ </span> [[User:ArnabSaha|<span style="color:#fff"> S A H A</span>]]</span></b> 05:28, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

:{{ping|ArnabSaha}} Done as requested. [[User:Twofingered Typist|Twofingered Typist]] ([[User talk:Twofingered Typist|talk]]) 13:45, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
::{{ping|Twofingered Typist}} but sir you replaced it with [[Kolkata Metro]], instead of the suburban railway article. <b><span style="background:#444;padding:2px 12px;font-size:12px"><span style="color:#FC0;letter-spacing:-2px">❯❯❯ </span> [[User:ArnabSaha|<span style="color:#fff"> S A H A</span>]]</span></b> 14:25, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

:::{{ping|ArnabSaha}} Please go ahead and change it to the article you would like copy edited. Sorry for the confusion. [[User:Twofingered Typist|Twofingered Typist]] ([[User talk:Twofingered Typist|talk]]) 14:27, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
==Excess requests removed==
Hi, I've just removed a "super-request" from REQ; diff [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Requests&diff=next&oldid=963950065 here] and note left on user's talk page [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Retired_electrician&diff=963953587&oldid=956135969 here]. This is an advisory note; there's no need to respond unless discussion is warranted. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 19:09, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
== [[Clicker Heroes]] ==

Hey all, not to familiar with our policy regarding requests from subsequently blocked users, so posting here for feedback. {{user|Total Eclipse 2017}} (also a GOCE member) recently posted a copyedit request for the article [[Clicker Heroes]], but today was blocked as a sockpuppet. Pending discussion, I've put it on hold, would appreciate advice. Cheers -- [[User:Puddleglum2.0|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:navy;"><b>puddleglum</b></span>]][[User talk:Puddleglum2.0|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:silver;"><sup><i>2.0</i></sup></span>]] 00:08, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
:That's really surprising. Total Eclipse had seemed like a good faith editor. I sure hope SPI didn't make a mistake! In any event, we've declined several requests from blocked users in the past on a case-by-case basis (you can find examples by searching the archives for "block"). I've argued that we should make that a general policy, but that's never carried the day. So I would support declining this request per my general perspective (presuming Total Eclipse does not appeal their block), but other editors may wish to argue for the article. [[User:Tdslk|Tdslk]] ([[User talk:Tdslk|talk]]) 02:52, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
::I thought the same thing, {{u|Tdslk}}. No [[WP:SPI|SPI]], and AFAIK it's not a checkuser block. Transparency by the blocking admin (keeping [[WP:BEANS]] in mind) would be nice. All the best, [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 17:42, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
:{{sp}}{{ec}} Well that's a surprise; s/he seemed like a promising copy-editor. Yes, we should decline the requests of ''confirmed'' sock-blocked editors as we have in the past. This account is only a suspected sock though, so it could prove to be a legitimate account. I think we should wait a week or so for the socking to be confirmed. Thanks for posting this, Puddleglum. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 02:56, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
::I'm also surprised. I agree that we should wait a week just to be sure there has not been some kind of "mistake". [[User:Twofingered Typist|Twofingered Typist]] ([[User talk:Twofingered Typist|talk]]) 14:06, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
::This isn't CheckUser confirmation, but here is ''behavioral'' confirmation.
::* [[Special:Permalink/962946448#Blocked]]
::* [[simple:Special:Permalink/6992515|Special:Permalink/6992515]] <span style="color:#666666">&#123;&#123;[[Template:replyto|<small>reply&nbsp;to</small>]]&#124;[[User:Can I Log In|Can&nbsp;I&nbsp;Log&nbsp;In]]&#125;&#125;</span>'s&nbsp;[[User talk:Can I Log In|talk]]&nbsp;page! 00:24, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
::::Thanks Can I Log In; and since TE2017 has also admitted socking on his or her user talk page, I think we should '''Decline'''. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 02:55, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
:::::Agree. [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 14:59, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

===Moving Forward===
Creating a new subsection here because my reply will involve a new proposal. TE2017 has admitted on their talk page they were a sock and said they'll appeal in six months after editing on the Simple English WP, so I think I'd be inclined to decline the Clicker Heroes request for now, with no prejudice against it being brought again of course. As the subheader says though - what do we do moving forward? I feel like we should have a hard-set "policy" regarding requests from blocked users that would go along with where the policies about IP requests and everything are. Not quite sure where to put this proposal, so not opposed if this comment is moved to some other venue, but here's my proposal.
*'''If the user who requested a copy edit is blocked while the request is waiting, the request will be put on hold for seven days pending a successful unblock appeal. If no such appeal appears or if it is declined within seven days, the request may be declined, with no prejudice against a future request by the same editor (after being unblocked.)'''
The above will definitely need some rewording for clarity, but that's just my initial thoughts. I know this rarely happens, but I feel we should something to fall back to just in case. As always, input is appreciated! Cheers -- [[User:Puddleglum2.0|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:navy;"><b>puddleglum</b></span>]][[User talk:Puddleglum2.0|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:silver;"><sup><i>2.0</i></sup></span>]] 00:46, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
* '''Support'''. I think this is a reasonable suggestion. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;)  01:28, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
{{od2}}This has come up a few times in the past. A revelation of socking nearly always results in a decline of the sock account's requests. I'm usually happy to AGF for editors temp-blocked for reasons other than sock-puppetry and apart from the most obvious declinations such as [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Requests/Archives/2019#Maureen_Wroblewitz|this one]], I'd prefer to have all problematic requests discussed here on a case-by-case basis before they're declined. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 02:26, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
:{{u|Baffle gab1978}}, I get where you're coming from, but I think this would definitely have exceptions for obvious spam and things like that - this wouldn't make it not OK to start a discussion for unclear situations, it would just make it a little easier to "clerk" GOCER IMHO. Cheers -- [[User:Puddleglum2.0|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:navy;"><b>puddleglum</b></span>]][[User talk:Puddleglum2.0|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:silver;"><sup><i>2.0</i></sup></span>]] 03:10, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
::I '''support''' the proposal in general, but I do think that all declines should continue to be discussed here, for the record. In the case of a blocked editor, the discussion could be as simple as "Request X will be declined in Y days because the requester is blocked until Z. If you have objections or know of mitigating circumstances, state them here. Consensus to decline will be assumed unless objections are stated here, so there is no need to respond if you agree with declining." Or something more concise. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 03:50, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
:::Agree with Baffle and Jonesey per [[WP:CREEP]]. [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 15:01, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
::::A bit late i know, but I'd also say that this shouldn't apply for anyone soft-blocked (one possible case comes to mind for a notable individual asking for a GOCE review of the article on themselves, which I'd have no issue with) [[User:Nosebagbear|Nosebagbear]] ([[User talk:Nosebagbear|talk]]) 23:38, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
:::::Hi Nosebagbear; yes that has been our consensus for a while, see my link above and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Requests/Archives/2018#If_It_Ain%27t_Got_That_Swing this one]. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 01:58, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

== Are requests fungible? ==

Sometimes the submitting editor will change the requested article while retaining the seniority of the original request. I can understand that they would want to, given waiting times, but is this allowed? Or should the new article be placed at the end of the list, with the prior request being removed if the editor already has two requests? [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 14:13, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
:I have seen this happen over the years, and I've always been fine with it as long as it's a one-for-one swap. Requesters don't seem to be doing it maliciously or to somehow "game the system" (either our process or some other queue like GAN), as far as I can tell. I do check to make sure that the swap is being done by the editor who originally made the request; I wouldn't look kindly on Editor B modifying Editor A's request. Once a GOCE editor is actively working on an article, it's off limits for swapping, but I've never seen that happen, as far as I can recall. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 14:57, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
::I don't have a problem with swapsies either, providing they're done even-handedly and aren't used to game the process. It doesn't seem to get the request processed any more quickly. I wouldn't want to see it become a regular occurrence though. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 21:10, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

:::I can see no harm in this and recently advised a requestor to swap the article he wanted edited after misunderstanding which one he was asking about and making a hash of it myself. I don't think we have a "policy" on this (?). [[User:Twofingered Typist|Twofingered Typist]] ([[User talk:Twofingered Typist|talk]]) 12:11, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
::::Seems to do no harm. I'm also a sucker for anyone who manages to get fungible into a conversation correctly. [[User:Nosebagbear|Nosebagbear]] ([[User talk:Nosebagbear|talk]]) 23:35, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
==Stats to May==
Hi all, I was compiling the early stats for the Annual Report and I noticed we had received '''93''' requests in April! This could well be a record for the GOCE; certainly nothing in the previous two years' stats approaches it. Here's the incomplete table so far; enjoy. :)

{| class="wikitable" <!--style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; border: none;"-->
|+<!--Table heading goes here -->
|-
! rowspan="2" | 2020<br />Month 
! colspan="3" | Requests
! rowspan="2" | Mean days to complete
|-
! Received
! Processed
! Completed
|-
! scope="row" | January
| 82
| 73
| 66
| xx
|-
! scope="row" | February
| 47
| 66
| 66
| xx
|-
! scope="row" | March
| 80
| 56
| 56
| xx
|-
! scope="row" | April
| 93
| 68
| 64
| xx
|-
! scope="row" | May
| 72
| 83
| 77
| xx
|-
|}
Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 07:23, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

:Good information. It looks like the backlog explosion is mostly due to more Requests being made, not fewer Requests being completed. [[User:Tdslk|Tdslk]] ([[User talk:Tdslk|talk]]) 04:12, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
::We've been working hard as usual; 69 processed and 64 completed in June. Right now it feels like we're walking up the 'down' escalator! Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 03:07, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

:::This is interesting. The escalator analogy is very apt. :=) [[User:Twofingered Typist|Twofingered Typist]] ([[User talk:Twofingered Typist|talk]]) 12:18, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

== Archiving misattribution? ==

{{Small|I originally wanted to post this in the talk section of the archives, only to find out that it was the archives for this talk page.}}

On a whim I decided to check out the 2020 archives. For some reason the [[Squall Leonhart]] copyedit is attributed to me; I have never edited that article, which can be corroborated with the [[Special:History/Squall Leonhart|article's history]]. I've also noticed that an article that I edited for GA prep isn't on there: [[Deep Blue (chess computer)]], which I had completed for May 2020's backlog drive on 18 May. Any idea what's going on? —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;)  22:04, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
:I did a quick check and every article attributed to me in the 2020 archives I remember doing, so the system is generally getting them right. There was probably a bug in the formatting that caused it to switch up the two articles you mention. [[User:Tdslk|Tdslk]] ([[User talk:Tdslk|talk]]) 22:11, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
::Looking at this https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Requests&oldid=957623051 version of the Requests page, one change before the bot archives Squall Leonhart as done, the Squall Leonhart request (not marked at all) was just above the Deep Blue request (marked as done). I'm not sure how the bot combined the two requests into one, but something like that must have happened. [[User:Tdslk|Tdslk]] ([[User talk:Tdslk|talk]]) 22:16, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
:::Thanks for noticing this, {{u|Tenryuu}}! It looks like the requestor for Squall Leonhart hasn't edited WP since about the time the request was made, which is why we probably haven't heard from them, but I'll go ahead and re-add it to the Requests page out of good faith. I'll also manually change the entry in the Archives to give you the correct credit.  [[User:Tdslk|Tdslk]] ([[User talk:Tdslk|talk]]) 22:23, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
::::{{u|Tdslk}}, thanks! I was more worried that the article was completed and that the alleged copyeditor didn't get correctly credited. 😋 —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;)  22:48, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
:::::I can't work out why the bot did that either; everything seems to be closed properly. IIRC, it did have a tweaks to stop it from archiving two sections where a <nowiki><s></nowiki>tag was used to withdraw a request. The only thing following {{tl|Done}} and the copy-editor's sig should be the next subsection. I've restored the original request text, date and sig  to make sure the bot attributes it properly this time... Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 23:34, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
{{od2}} Note for archive; c/e '''done'''. '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 06:16, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

==misunderstanding==
{{ping|Baffle gab1978}} Hi. I requested the CE of not too late show with Elmo because I was unable to perform a CE. U couldnt think of any words that would have been different. I think you misunderstood my second request as a demand, or an order ([[special:diff/967513102]]). In the first comment, I posted the request, with explaining the issue of the article. I would have done it myself, but I am rarely editing wikipedia from a computer, and it was very difficult to CE that article from mobile device. The second comment made by me looks a little odd, I realised that now. I should have worded it better, I apologise for that. I was not asking you for doing a copy-edit. I accodentally left out an entire sentence: "would you tell me how should I approach the update?" I was asking for your help (or wanted to in that case). I later saw your comment, but did not understand it at all (even at that point I hadnt realised I had left out the sentence). Then I made changes to the article, and I thought asking someone for second look would be good. It wasnt about CE at all. I also wanted your opinion/guidance about the image/map/table placement issue. I was not demanding you to do it. I apologise for the confusion. This article came up in [[WP:RM]], where I closed the discussion, and moved the article. I felt it was my responsibility to perform the "post move clean-up", which included that CE; thats why I was trying to do it. Again, sorry for the confusion, and apologies if I hurt your feelings. See you around {{p}} —usernamekiran [[User talk:usernamekiran|(talk)]] 20:06, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
:Hi again, {{ping|Usernamekiran}}; thanks for your reply. You pinged me four days after adding the request for [[Samannud]], which I interpreted as an attempt to jump the queue, which is currently running at just over one month. I don't accept personal requests to c/e articles for that reason. Your comment that you found the article confusing made me tempted to put the request '''on hold''' but I delayed until I could check it out. I later deleted my reply (now restored) to your comment because I couldn't see it getting a useful reply.

:My talk page would have been a better place to ask me about updating the article. To update it, you should use information from [[WP:RS|reliable, independent sources]] that are properly [[WP:CITE|cited]] in the article. For what it's worth, I've done some minor cleanup tasks to fix the image placement problems you mentioned; I hope that's useful. There's no need to apologise for my feelings; they are quite resilient and were not hurt—but I find attempted queue-jumping unacceptable. Regards, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 22:44, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

===[[Samannud]]===
<small>[[CC-BY-SA]] declaration; text below copied from Requests page ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Requests&oldid=967703816#Samannud diff]). '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 22:12, 14 July 2020 (UTC)</small>

A small, almost stub article about an Egyptian town. The article has been recently renamed from the town's historical name to modern name. Appropriate changes need to be done in the article. Thanks a lot in advance, —usernamekiran [[User talk:usernamekiran|(talk)]] 21:48, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|Baffle gab1978}} this article is very small, but it was already a little confusing; and because of the recent rename, it barely makes sense. All it needs is a little CE/rewording. Kindly take a look into it. —usernamekiran [[User talk:usernamekiran|(talk)]] 06:39, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
::@Usernamekiran:, if it barely makes sense to you, how do you expect it to make sense to anyone else? This is not a rhetorical question. '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 04:21, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
:::<s>working</s> —usernamekiran [[User talk:usernamekiran|(talk)]] 12:51, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Baffle gab1978}} I [[special:diff/967484818|updated]] the article. Would you kindly take a look at the article now? Also, the hieroglyphs, a photo from museum, and the population table are appearing at the bottom of infobox, after the article prose is over. I tried change their positions, but no matter what I tried, it always appears in the bottom; and not in the sections where there code is placed. I know this is not related to CE, but would you please take a look at it? Regards, —usernamekiran [[User talk:usernamekiran|(talk)]] 15:45, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|usernamekiran}}, [[WP:VOLUNTEER|I don't owe you a copy-edit]]— requests can be taken by anyone at any time and there's [[WP:DEADLINE|no deadline on Wikipedia]]. I've restored my earlier reply for context. Further comment should go to REQ talk. '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 17:47, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

==[[Bangladesh International School, Dammam]]==
I've put this request '''on hold'''; I went to copy-edit this article and found around 75% of the text was unreferenced and rightly marked with {{tl|Unreferenced-section}}. My edits are [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bangladesh_International_School%2C_Dammam&action=historysubmit&type=revision&diff=967558316&oldid=962512430 here] and the article as I found it is [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bangladesh_International_School,_Dammam&oldid=962512430 here]. I should have checked and brought it here for discussion weeks ago; it's probably a good thing it was me who accepted the request. I've marked the request {{tl|Not done}} and I suggest a procedural '''decline''' for the archive. I'm sorry for not noticing this one earlier. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 00:36, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
:Agree, and no apology needed {{-)}} All the best, [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 02:17, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
::It looks like I put those tags on there. I often take a quick look at Requests when they are first posted and give them a quick once-over for MOS issues, possible copyvio, and unreferenced claims. Probably too quick. My hope when doing this is that the requester will fix up the article before we arrive to copy edit it, but I have no data to back up that hope. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 02:33, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
:::Thanks Jonesey; MRC2RULES hasn't edited since June when he added the request; thank you for adding the tags, they were useful. :) Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 02:40, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
::::I also agree with a procedural decline. [[User:Tdslk|Tdslk]] ([[User talk:Tdslk|talk]]) 03:10, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
:::::Thanks all for your comments; request declined without prejudice. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 03:43, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
==[[Nagpur]]==
Hi all; I've placed the c/e request for this article '''on hold'''; the requester {{noping|Majun e Baqi}} is checkuser-blocked for abusing multiple accounts. {{ping|Can I Log In}} (courtesy ping) placed a '''decline''' template but it should probably be discussed here first. See [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Khadim_ahlesunnah_waljamaah/Archive#18_July_2020|SPI here]]. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 23:41, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
:Decline. I don't see a reason for an exception from my usual view that requests from blocked users should be declined. [[User:Tdslk|Tdslk]] ([[User talk:Tdslk|talk]]) 01:14, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
::Agree. All the best, [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 02:26, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
:::Thanks both for your comments; I've restored the decline template. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 03:33, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
== [[Lalo Salamanca]] ==

I'd appreciate if someone more experienced performed copyediting like Bafflegab or Miniapolis since it is evident the last copy editor is relatively inexperienced. Additionally, he hasn't performed a complete copyedit. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family: Papyrus">[[User:Kailash29792|<b style="color: black;">Kailash29792</b>]] [[User talk:Kailash29792|<span style="color: black;">(talk)</span>]] </span> 02:16, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
:Hi {{ping|Kailash29792}}, thanks; I agree this was a poor c/e effort [ [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lalo_Salamanca&action=historysubmit&type=revision&diff=971018843&oldid=970958587 (diff)]. I've marked the request with {{tl|Not done}} and referred comments to this page. I cannot promise to c/e it myself. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 03:26, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
== [[Dim sum]] ==
Hello.  The GOCE copy editing was completed and GA Nomination was made.  The feedback below was provided.  Can suggestions and guidance be provided about how the article can be improved?  I will review the Good Article Criteria and the MoS in more detail as well.  Thank you.  [[User:Renewableandalternativeenergy|Renewableandalternativeenergy]] ([[User talk:Renewableandalternativeenergy|talk]]) 00:49, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
:Dimsum GA nom
:Hi Renewableandalternativeenergy, I have boldly withdrawn the GA nom you made for [[Dim Sum]]. From a brief look, the article is very :short and lacking coverage in many areas, has significant unreferenced areas, lacks an appropriate lead, and has an undeveloped :consideration of image placement and captions. It is thus quite far from meeting a few different WP:Good article criteria. I hope these :points help with further development of the article, CMD (talk) 09:57, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
:{{u|Renewableandalternativeenergy}}, the reviewer (?) explained the problem areas, including but not limited to article length, insufficient citations, and unsatisfactory image placement. These unfortunately don't fall within the purview of the Guild. Have you taken a look at [[WP:BETTER]], [[WP:MOSLEAD]], and [[Help:Introduction]]? —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;)  06:30, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
::{{u|Tenryuu}}, Thank you for explaining and for providing some additional references for review.    --[[User:Renewableandalternativeenergy|Renewableandalternativeenergy]] ([[User talk:Renewableandalternativeenergy|talk]]) 11:37, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
==[[Barelvi]]==
After checking this request I've placed it '''on hold''' for discussion. This request was added today [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Requests&diff=974152290&oldid=974120230 diff]. The requester, {{noping|Glasgow's peter}}, has never edited the article and the adding of this request is that account's first and only WP edit. The account was created at 10:33, 21 August 2020, seven minutes before this edit. I suspect something odd going on and suggest a '''decline''' in this instance. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 19:08, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
:See also my comments at [[User_talk:Materialscientist#Barelvi|Materialscientist's talk page]]. '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 20:14, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barelvi&type=revision&diff=974235849&oldid=948856924 Here's a diff of the most recent 200 edits.] For 200 edits, many of them substantial, there is very little overall change to the article's prose. It looks like the edits are mostly editorial disputes among editors, with very little discussion on the article's talk page. I recommend that we '''decline''' this article for instability and lack of edits from the nominator, but put a {{tl|copy edit}} tag on it and get to it during a drive. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 23:50, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
:::Good catch, Baffle, and I agree with Jonesey. Stay well and all the best, [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 01:00, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
::::I also agree with Jonesey's plan. Cheers, [[User:Tdslk|Tdslk]] ([[User talk:Tdslk|talk]]) 01:49, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
:::::Thanks all for your comments; I think the article itself seems to be in good condition and well-referenced. I've declined and tagged two later sections where I think prose could be improved. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 05:02, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
==[[Martung]]==
<small>[[CC-BY-SA]] declaration: text in this section moved from Requests page by me [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Requests&oldid=976046184#Martung diff]. '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 01:03, 1 September 2020 (UTC)</small>
<blockquote>
Just needs a quick work of the lead as [https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&oldid=968552531&action=compare&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mapsguidesandmore.com%2FPakistan-Khyber_Pakhtunkhwa copyvios] shows. The language there '''is''' a bit odd though and could use a kick anyway. This gnome would appreciate it. [[User:Jerodlycett|Jerod Lycett]] ([[User talk:Jerodlycett|talk]]) 10:41, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
:{{u|Jerodlycett}}, is it just the lead that you want looked at? Looking at the article's history it seems there had been some edit warring going on, though it appears to have calmed down now. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;)  20:53, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

:::Since this article contains virtually no citations I have tagged it. I would suggest this request be declined. Thoughts? [[User:Twofingered Typist|Twofingered Typist]] ([[User talk:Twofingered Typist|talk]]) 14:26, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
::::Agree; with so few sources, IMO a copyedit would be a waste of time now. [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 23:11, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
:::::{{Declined}} With this [[Special:Diff/969789747|ragequit]], we're unlikely to get feedback. [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 23:16, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
::::::(For the record, the text in the lead is basically unchanged since 2010, and the page linked in the copyvio report exists in archive.org only as far back as 2017. This doesn't prove anything, but the text on the linked page is likely to be a copy of Wikipedia, meaning that we would not be hosting a copyright violation.) – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 01:29, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
</blockquote> '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 01:03, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
== [[Draft:Community film]] ==

I recommend declining this request per our "Requests may be declined if..." text at the top of the Requests page, without prejudice to resubmission once the article is returned to article space. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 04:42, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

{{ec}} Hi all, I've just put the request for the above '''on hold'''; we are being asked to "rescue" a draftified article, which is not immediately in danger of deletion. The GOCE is not [[WP:Article Rescue Squadron|Article Rescue Squadron]]. I'm happy to wait a week or so for the draft to be returned to mainspace. The article was sent to draftspace after an AfD discussion [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Community film|here]]. Courtesy pinging {{ping|evrik}}. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 04:48, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
:On hold is fine with me. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 05:25, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
:Keep it on hold unless there is no sign of a forthcoming <code><nowiki>{{subst:submit}}</nowiki></code> within a reasonable time. By the time an AfC reviewer actions it, this requests is not the oldest. It's draftified so it won't get AfDed or G13 (well for now). [[User:Can&nbsp;I&nbsp;Log&nbsp;In|Can&nbsp;I&nbsp;Log&nbsp;In]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Can I Log In|talk]]) 05:36, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
::Agree with keeping it on hold; we have enough to do as it is {{-)}}. Stay well and all the best, [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 17:20, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
{{od2}}Two weeks later, this is still in draftspace and hasn't been edited since 5 Sept. I'll leave a note on {{ping|Evrik}}'s talk page. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 02:38, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
*If I could, I would move it from the draft space. Can anyone here move it to the mainspace? --[[User:evrik|evrik]]&nbsp;<sup>([[User talk:evrik|talk]])</sup> 03:02, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
*:It has to be [[WP:AFCR|reviewed]] by [[WP:WPAFC/P|AfC reviewers]] and accepted and move to mainspace. Then your copy edit request is eligible for accepting [[User:Can&nbsp;I&nbsp;Log&nbsp;In|Can&nbsp;I&nbsp;Log&nbsp;In]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Can I Log In|talk]]) 05:33, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
{{od2}}The draft now has now been flagged as a copyright violation and nominated for speedy deletion. I am therefore boldly '''declining''' the request; coordinators, please feel free to revert my decline. Thanks all for your comments here. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 16:09, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

{{od2}}{{ec}} Well things went south all the sudden. It's a 9 year copyvio of [https://www.academia.edu/25279845/Defining_Community_Film this]! [[File:Symbol declined.svg|16px|link=|alt=]]&nbsp;'''Declined'''. [[User:Can&nbsp;I&nbsp;Log&nbsp;In|Can&nbsp;I&nbsp;Log&nbsp;In]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Can I Log In|talk]]) 16:10, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
:The document at academia.com appears to be a copy of the Wikipedia article from 2011, not the other way around. The decline is fine, however; this request is welcome here if the draft makes it back to article space. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 17:34, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
==[[Angle-resolved photoemission spectroscopy]]==
<small>[[CC-BY-SA]]: Text in this section copied from Requests page by me; further discussion should occur here. '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 09:50, 4 October 2020 (UTC).</small>
<blockquote>
This physics article is a recently-failed GAN, which I '''[[Talk:Angle-resolved photoemission spectroscopy/GA1|reviewed]]'''. The science in the article is very accurate, but also detailed and technical. It is not yet at GA, but a lot of work has been done on it, prior and during the review, and it now meets all the six criteria ([[WP:GA?]]) except Criteria 1. The help of an experienced copy editor would be very much appreciated here. [[User:Amitchell125|Amitchell125]] ([[User talk:Amitchell125|talk]]) 08:09, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
:The subject sounds interesting. I could possibly help out with simplification and copy editing, though I do have some questions:
:
:# {{u|Amitchell125}}, I generally work with someone who has significantly edited the article and knowledgeable in the topic. As you are the reviewer, would it be more appropriate to contact {{np|Ponor}} about collaborating on improving the article?
:# I notice that a copy edit request was fulfilled by {{U|Baffle gab1978}} this July, who left tags that were removed by Ponor. Baffle, is there anything else of interest that interested copy editors should know about? —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;)  22:22, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
::::Hi {{ping|Tenryuu}}, as someone who knows nothing about spectroscopy, my advice is to ignore the technical content and mathematics markup unless you understand it, and simply improve the grammar, spelling (non-technical), sentence structure and flow. The "unreferenced section" templates I added in July have been adequately dealt with; I think it's still a bit too complex for most readers but it's not the GOCE's task to fix that.  Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 23:40, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
:::::Hi {{ping|Tenryuu}}, I have enough knowledge of physics to help with the article, but the mathematics in the Theory section is now beyond me—{{np|Ponor}} is the expert, and it would be best to work with him. The advice above on leaving the technical content alone makes sense to me, as it is impenetrably dense. [[User:Amitchell125|Amitchell125]] ([[User talk:Amitchell125|talk]]) 06:38, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
::::::Hmm, I'll hold off on this for now until later on in the month. If any copy editors are interested in doing this, go ahead. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;)  21:29, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
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{{Od2}}Hi all; I've placed this request '''on hold'''. Having started the c/e, I've been asked by a major contributor to stop because technical information needs to be corrected; see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Baffle_gab1978&oldid=982635381 my talk]. I'll be happy to see the request made when the article is ready but for now I think we should decline the request. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 11:16, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

:: I agree.[[User:Twofingered Typist|Twofingered Typist]] ([[User talk:Twofingered Typist|talk]]) 12:00, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

:Hi all, let me first thank you for your interest in this article. Just today I became aware of this discussion; I don't know why your pings never reached me. I appreciate @[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|Baffle gab1978]] and @[[User:Amitchell125|Amitchell125]]'s diligent work, I really do. I'm relatively new here, and obviously not a native speaker, and have learned a lot from both. I understand none of this is your area of expertise, so some errors were inevitable. The fact is, very few physics graduates will be introduced to ARPES, especially to its theoretical details (our article covers only, like, ten percent of it). Very few ''general readers'' (whatever that means) will ever stumble upon ARPES. That's why I though I should write the article for physicists like me (15 years ago) who are looking for insider information ("common knowledge") that they won't find in published sources, nice public domain pictures they can use in their presentations, and pointers to most relevant literature. By watching @[[User:Amitchell125|Amitchell125]] do his work, I realised my writing style is way too ''dense'' (prob. because of many years of sci-lit conditioning), and I am going to try to fix that. His meticulous tracking of all the symbols and terms was astounding, many thanks for that! Along the way, some blatant errors were made, let me mention just two: the meaning of "structure of the electrons" so far from "the electronic structure" that studying the two belongs to two major branches of physics (electrons are structureless, afawk; but they /their energy levels/ do make structures); another editor fixed "lens modes" to "lens models" (one lens can have different modes... of operation). I chose to not fix these (and many others) immediately, because I wanted to see the magic the "too technical" templates do. As you may have noticed, I am totally against those; I think they serve no purpose but to scare people away (plus they're ugly, and tend to stay on articles forever). 
:I took some time off to start with the article afresh. I thank you for your patience and your hard work. And I hope we'll meet at [[Angle-resolved photoemission spectroscopy|ARPES]] again. Best wishes, [[User:Ponor|Ponor]] ([[User talk:Ponor|talk]]) 12:57, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
::Make sure that "web" is checked in Notifications of your preferences so you get pings. Stay well and all the best, [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 15:00, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
::No problem Ponor; your diligence does you credit. It was me who added the "too technical" template on my last c/e, so I'll remove it . I agree we need to be very careful around technical language and mathematics; I don't understand mathematics so I tend to leave it alone.  The article gets as average 60 views daily [https://pageviews.toolforge.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=latest-20&pages=Angle-resolved_photoemission_spectroscopy (check)] so I think here must be some interest in the subject. Your approach is understandable but it is required on English Wikipedia that information must be [[WP:CITE|cited]] with [[WP:RS|reliable, third-party sources]]. This is one of Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Core content policies|core policies]] and also means anyone can check the article's accuracy, expand the page and fix errors. You're always welcome to request a copy-edit once the article is rewritten. Thank you for taking the time and patience to explain the problems at hand, it's most appreciated. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 20:32, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
{{Od2}}Thanks everyone for your comments; I've '''declined''' the request for now. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 22:16, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
== Now United on hold ==

I put the request for [[Now United]] on hold because: "The article is tagged with "more citations needed" due to lack of citations. If additional sources are unreliable, that would further reduce the utility of a copyedit, which is usually for well-sourced, stable articles." Courtesy ping the requester, [[User:Nkon21|Nkon21]]. ([[User talk:Buidhe|t]] &#183; [[Special:Contributions/Buidhe|c]]) '''[[User:buidhe|<span style="color: black">buidhe</span>]]''' 05:41, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
:The article certainly lacks citations; [[WP:BLP|BLP]] rules apply to much of it as well. I'm currently neutral on declining; I'd like to see whether the missing citations are forthcoming shortly. Thanks for checking this article, Buidhe. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 02:44, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
==[[Self-advocacy]] on hold==
Hi all; I've put the c/e request for this article '''on hold'''. I think we should decline the request because the article is currently marked with templates {{tl|Essay-like}} (January 2008), {{tl|more footnotes}} (April 2010) and {{tl|Refimprove}} (September 2020)—the latter and the refimprove-section templates are my doing. There are also inline templates indicating problems with non-specific citations and uncited material. The requester {{ping|KamillaŚ}} (courtesy ping) says "it needs a deeper rework" to eliminate these templates; I think the work needed here is article development rather than copy-editing, which I think would be quickly removed. 

KamillaŚ, I think some of the WikiProjects listed on the article's  [[Talk:Self-advocacy|talk page]] might be more helpful with article development than the GOCE. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 05:01, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

:Since I put this request on hold, the article has been trimmed down and is now more focussed, though it still has the Refimprove template. If any coordinators or regulars wish to remove the hold, please go ahead. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 03:34, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
::Done. Stay well and all the best, [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 13:08, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
:::Note for archive: copy-edit '''done'''. '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 00:40, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
== Hold [[Kerala Blasters FC]] ==

{{ping|User talk:Baffle gab1978}} I request you to hold [[Kerala Blasters FC]] for a copy edit for a week .The article is under a split discussion. Thanks [[User:WhiteFalcon1|WhiteFalcon1]] ([[User talk:WhiteFalcon1|talk]]) 02:06, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
:Hi {{Ping|WhiteFalcon1}}; thanks for your note. I've already started the c/e but I haven't yet reached the "Support" section, which is proposed to be split. It will take me a while to reach that section. If you wish, I can continue and avoid that section. Otherwise, I can stop completely but I can't see how the removal of "Support" would affect the rest of the article. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 03:07, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

::Hi{{ping|User talk:Baffle gab1978}} ; thanks for your reply. You can continue copy editing sorry for trouble.[[User:WhiteFalcon1|WhiteFalcon1]] ([[User talk:WhiteFalcon1|talk]]) 04:31, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
==Electrical telegraphy in the United Kingdom==
<small>[[CC-BY-SA]]; this conversation was copied from the requests ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Requests&oldid=987430324#Electrical_telegraphy_in_the_United_Kingdom diff]) page by me. Further comments should take place here. '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 00:47, 7 November 2020 (UTC)</small>
===[[Electrical telegraphy in the United Kingdom]]===
This article is a failed FAC, so it needs a copyeditor who is experienced with getting articles through FA. The review is [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Electrical telegraphy in the United Kingdom/archive1|here]].  Please pay particular attention to the last batch of comments from Graham Beards.  I did not get a chance to respond to those before the review was closed.  Some of the comments on matters of fact are just plain wrong (or at least confused) so please speak to me before changing anything of that nature. [[User:Spinningspark|<b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b>]][[User talk:Spinningspark|<b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b>]] 15:20, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
:Hi {{ping|Spinningspark}}; If you wish, I can put this request ''on hold'' while you make your corrections. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 07:10, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
::I don't see the need for that.  Most of the criticism of the final reviewer were copyediting issues.  Those that aren't are largely misunderstandings (which may also boil down to copyediting at heart).  The other big issue for the FA was verifiability (see Laser Brain's comments) particularly of the Kieve book, the major source for the middle section of the article.  This came about because at the time I wrote the article Kieve's book was hard to obtain.  I got it on inter-library loan, but by the time the article got to FA it had long been returned.  Meanwhile the article had been chopped about and citations had to be moved to new places "blind" and couldn't be rechecked directly.  During the course of the FA process, Kieve's widow helpfully made the book freely available online, at which point a large number of citation errors were discovered.  However, I am confident that this is entirely a technical citation problem and little or no text will need to be changed as a result.  It's just a matter of correcting page numbers, or at worst providing additional sources. [[User:Spinningspark|<b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b>]][[User talk:Spinningspark|<b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b>]] 09:38, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
:::No problem, I'm glad the major source is online, it's good to be able to check unclear and contradictory text, and correct from source. Thanks for your reply and for clarifying. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 19:05, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
==''Acamptonectes''==
<small>[[CC-BY-SA]]; this conversation was copied from the requests ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Requests&oldid=987430324#Acamptonectes diff]) page by me. Further comments should take place here. '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 00:36, 7 November 2020 (UTC)</small>
===''[[Acamptonectes]]''===
To prepare for GAN and FAC, thanks. [[User:FunkMonk|FunkMonk]] ([[User talk:FunkMonk|talk]]) 17:47, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
* {{Working}} My apologies if my edits to this article in future remain unsatisfactory to the individual responsible for the request; please inform me of all unsatisfactory edits, for the purpose of further discussion and resolution, upon my talk page. [[User:SurenGrig07|SurenGrig07]] ([[User talk:SurenGrig07|talk]]) 04:02, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
::{{ping|SurenGrig07}}, what's the problem here? I don't see any reverts from the requester in the edit history, or any comments on talk pages. '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 08:58, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
:::I stated the aforementioned as a matter of principle; the statement remained that '''if''' criticisms remained identified, I would remain open to discussion.
::::Hi, thanks for taking it up, {{u|SurenGrig07}}, but it seems you are completely restructuring the text and removing links and words, even removing text formatting, instead of just improving wording? The request is not for restructuring and changing meaning of the existing text, but improvement of phrasing where it may be deficient. Could we have a discussion about this before you continue? [[User:FunkMonk|FunkMonk]] ([[User talk:FunkMonk|talk]]) 16:23, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
:::::I apologise, {{ping|FunkMonk}}, if my edits remain excessive; you may revert them at your discretion. I shall halt the performance of significant edits and exclusively alter the phrasing of text; thank you for informing me. [[User:SurenGrig07|SurenGrig07]] ([[User talk:SurenGrig07|talk]]) 18:01, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
::::::Thanks, yes, it is a difficult topic with a lot of details, so massive rearrangements can change the meaning and accuracy. Can I suggest reverting the last two edits and trying again with less dramatic changes? But thanks for doing it, it is not meant in a slighting way, I do realise it is a difficult article to edit if one is not too familiar with the subject. [[User:FunkMonk|FunkMonk]] ([[User talk:FunkMonk|talk]]) 19:24, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
::::::The recently produced revision, responsible for massive edits to the initial paragraph, remains reverted; I do not regard the most recent revision as excessive, but if you disagree, I would remain open to reversion. [[User:SurenGrig07|SurenGrig07]] ([[User talk:SurenGrig07|talk]]) 19:35, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
:::::::I think it looks much better, with many helpful links. Also, if something is difficult to understand or you are unsure of the meaning, which might happen in the more technical sections below, feel free to start a discussion on the talk page, as some copy-editors often do. [[User:FunkMonk|FunkMonk]] ([[User talk:FunkMonk|talk]]) 19:51, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you for the offer; if necessary, I shall gratefully accept. [[User:SurenGrig07|SurenGrig07]] ([[User talk:SurenGrig07|talk]]) 20:12, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|FunkMonk}}, I would primarily like to inquire concerning the edits produced via the individual with username Lythronaxargestes; if one inspects the revision history of the article, it remains particularly obvious that the aforementioned individual remains responsible for numerous massive edits to the internal structure of the article, under the ostensible justification of copy editing. Do these edits remain acceptable to the author? I am primarily inquiring due to the fact that this user remains responsible for numerous copy edits within sections which I edited; numerous edits which I produced remain, within effect, reverted via this user. I would appreciate a response within a small quantity of time; thank you. [[User:SurenGrig07|SurenGrig07]] ([[User talk:SurenGrig07|talk]]) 02:57, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
::Yes, it is a co-writer of the article. They noticed some problems in the CE, notably that explanations in parenthesis have been removed for some reason. Those are crucial for letting readers understand the article, so I'd like to know why they have been removed. I think this might be a bit too complicated an article for a first try at CE, and should perhaps be left for someone with more experience (as has been suggested on your talk page). [[User:FunkMonk|FunkMonk]] ([[User talk:FunkMonk|talk]]) 05:19, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
{{Re|FunkMonk}} Now that the article seems to be regularly worked on by {{np|Lythronaxargestes}}, should we consider the request to be '''withdrawn''' for the time being? —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;)  01:41, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
:Lyhtronax is a co-writer of the article, so we would really want a competent "outsider" to do the CE with fresh eyes. But the article is becoming a bit messy, so I'll ask my co-writers for what to do next after I've compared versions. [[User:FunkMonk|FunkMonk]] ([[User talk:FunkMonk|talk]]) 01:43, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
::Lyhtronax would also like this to get a copy edit by an experienced copy editor before we nominate it further, so if possible, can it stay in its current position on the list? [[User:FunkMonk|FunkMonk]] ([[User talk:FunkMonk|talk]]) 13:06, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
:::In the light of the above; I'd suggest if {{ping|SurenGrig07}} is having difficulties with this request, SurrenGrig07 should mark his or her c/e '''abandoned''' and leave it for a more experienced copy-editor. There are plenty of shorter, less-complex articles listed here. SurenGrig07, if you feel confident enough to continue with this complex science article; please;
:::*don't alter any scientific information (dates, species names, order of events etc);
:::*be careful not to edit in any way that changes any meanings of text per above;
:::*stick to improving grammar, sentence structure and flow, and fixing typos, ENGVAR errors (Use British English, non-Oxford), markup errors, etc.
:::*don't be too tardy; although there's no [[WP:DEADLINE|deadline]] on Wikipedia, we like to get copy-edits done fairly quickly.
:::FunkMonk, thanks for your patience here. I hope the request can be fulfilled shortly. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 18:00, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
::::Thanks, yeah, I appreciate the attempted copy-edit, but it is probably not the best kind of article to start practicing on. [[User:FunkMonk|FunkMonk]] ([[User talk:FunkMonk|talk]]) 14:59, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
::I've left an {{Tl|GOCE-ab}} template on SurenGrig07's page. I'll leave it to {{U|Baffle gab1978}} or someone else to determine when to consider the status of this request to be abandoned and re-released for someone else to look over. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;)  18:01, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
:::Thanks, Tenryuu; I was going to let this request and attempted c/e sleep quietly for a while until it rose up the list! Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 22:24, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
{{Od2}}Note for archive: c/e '''done''' by me. '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 08:41, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
== Jiz Lee ==

While there's nothing wrong with the article itself (save for a {{tl|POV}} template), the requester, {{U|Right cite}}, has since been indefinitely blocked for sockpuppetry. Should it be declined or considered viable with the [[death of the author|block of the requester]]? —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;)&nbsp;([[User:Tenryuu#Wishlist!|🎁&nbsp;<span style="color: red;">''Wishlist!''</span>&nbsp;🎁]]) 05:16, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
:Not the first time this has come up. I've supported automatically declining requests from permanently blocked users, although that hasn't prevailed as a policy. I think the last time it came up, though, there was agreement to automatically decline when the block was for sockpuppetry. Cheers, [[User:Tdslk|Tdslk]] ([[User talk:Tdslk|talk]]) 06:05, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
::For the record, the last discussion of the issue was [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Requests/Archives/2020#Moving_Forward|here]]. It looks like at the time {{u|Puddleglum2.0}} proposed:
:::*If the user who requested a copy edit is blocked while the request is waiting, the request will be put on hold for seven days pending a successful unblock appeal. If no such appeal appears or if it is declined within seven days, the request may be declined, with no prejudice against a future request by the same editor (after being unblocked.)
::And {{u|Jonesey95}} responded:
:::*I do think that all declines should continue to be discussed here, for the record. In the case of a blocked editor, the discussion could be as simple as "Request X will be declined in Y days because the requester is blocked until Z. If you have objections or know of mitigating circumstances, state them here. Consensus to decline will be assumed unless objections are stated here, so there is no need to respond if you agree with declining."
::I'm not sure if the discussion was sufficient to establish that as a policy, but the only objection raised was that it shouldn't apply if someone is soft blocked. [[User:Tdslk|Tdslk]] ([[User talk:Tdslk|talk]]) 06:20, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
:::(And further for the record, since I somehow seem to have not participated in that conversation, I would '''support''' the proposal.) [[User:Tdslk|Tdslk]] ([[User talk:Tdslk|talk]]) 06:24, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
{{od2}} '''Decline'''; per previous consensus on sock-blocked editors [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Requests/Archives/2018#If_It_Ain't_Got_That_Swing|here]]. That editor in particular should know better. I've placed the request '''on hold''' and as there were no intervening edits, I have reverted the requester's additions per [[WP:EVASION]]. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 08:20, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
:'''Decline'''. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 16:25, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
::Sorry to see that {{noping|Cirt}} (once a trusted editor) is still socking; for the life of me, I dunno why they don't wait six months and accept the [[WP:SO|standard offer]]. For that reason, '''decline'''. Stay well and all the best, [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 17:07, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
{{od2}}I've '''declined''' the request; feel free to revert if necessary. I also reverted Right cite's edits on that article since there were no major intervening edits there. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 05:37, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

==Is there GOCE consensus to decline requests from blocked editors?==
Above, there is a question of whether the GOCE has established a consensus to decline requests from blocked editors by default. Let's revisit this question one more time, in a more formal way.

I propose that GOCE coordinators (both present and former) and frequent editors of Requests, along with other watchers of this page, if they have strong feelings, express their opinions about the following statement (I have used capital letters to indicate WP or GOCE terms of art): 

'''GOCE copy editing Requests from editors who are blocked after submitting their Requests should be put On Hold and discussed on the Requests Talk page, with  a presumed consensus that the Request will be Declined unless there are sufficient mitigating circumstances. After the Request has been under discussion for three days, it should be marked as Declined if the initial presumed consensus still applies. A blocked editor may resubmit their Request after their block has expired.'''

I could probably make it more concise, but I think you get the idea. Comments welcome. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 16:26, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
*'''Support''' [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 17:09, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
*{{Comment}}; I think the earlier consensus to decline requests from indef-blocked sock accounts is [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Requests/Archives/2019#Maureen_Wroblewitz|here (2019)]], [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Requests/Archives/2019#Bangladesh|here (2019)]], [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Requests/Archives/2018#If_It_Ain't_Got_That_Swing|here (2018)]] and [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Requests/Archives/2017|here (2017)]]; I'm not sure if we have earlier discussions archived. IIRC, the consensus I mentioned in the earlier thread is to decline requests from indef-blocked sock accounts. In the case of the article [[Maureen Wroblewitz]], a banned user was using accounts and IPs to make requests and spam users' talk pages so frequently I asked for a consensus to remove and ignore them. That *was* an exceptional case though.

:My thoughts on this remain the same; I'd prefer the requests are discussed here before they are declined—each case is different and editors get blocks for all sorts of reasons; one size does not fit all,  though I'm less inclined to AGF if the requester is blocked as a blocked / banned editor's sockpuppet. Then again, Guild coordinators aren't expected to be sock detectives and there are (almost) always plenty of requests to work on... ;) Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 22:16, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

*{{Question}} What would the status of denied requests become if consensus has been reached in that there are sufficient mitigating circumstances for the blocked editor? Should they be procedurally kept on hold, worked on, or still be evaluated on a case-by-case basis?
:'''Leaning to support'''. I'm concerned that if a blocked user's requests are still going to be worked on, they could set a precedent for sockpuppeting users to game the system. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;)&nbsp;([[User:Tenryuu#Wishlist!|🎁&nbsp;<span style="color: red;">''Wishlist!''</span>&nbsp;🎁]]) 23:42, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
::In answer to the question, the Request could be kept on hold until the requesting editor's block is removed (in the case of a short-term block), or it could be put back into the regular queue to be worked on like a regular Request. The outcome would depend on the circumstances as determined by discussion on this page. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 00:41, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per my long-standing view. To quote myself from a previous time this came up: "I would argue that anyone who is permanently blocked should get their requests declined, whether or not they were blocked for the reason of being a sockpuppet. I like to think that there is at least a hypothetical collaborative component to requests. Usually the requestor is actively revising the article, and will review our work when we are done and answer questions we may have. Otherwise, there is nothing different from the articles in the request list and any of the millions of other articles. So if an editor is permanently blocked, we should remove the article in preference to requests from editors where there is at least a possibility that they can respond." [[User:Tdslk|Tdslk]] ([[User talk:Tdslk|talk]]) 04:37, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

*'''Support''' Agree with Tdslk [[User:Twofingered Typist|Twofingered Typist]] ([[User talk:Twofingered Typist|talk]]) 14:47, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
*'''Neutral'''; I'm happy with our current approach of '''hold''' --> '''discuss''' --> '''decline''' / '''accept''', which seems to work quite well, as it did in the case of Right cite above. Some formal guideline *is* needed to avoid copy-editors' time and mental resources being wasted on socking editors though, so I see merit in the proposal. I just think declining a request from an editor who has a three-week block is different to declining one from a socking editor like Cirt. And I'd sooner be copy-editing articles than playing wiki-police. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 22:25, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
==REQ record year==
I've just been crunching some numbers; unless I've over-crunched them, GOCE copy-editors have ''processed'' 693 requests so far this year, including 18 from last year. The previous record is 668 ''completed'' in 2018. There should be a good Xmas bonus this year! :D Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 08:32, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
:Thanks for keeping track, Baffle! Stay well and all the best, [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 14:11, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

::Thanks for this! It does feel that the list isn't getting any shorter. Remember March? As I recall we were down to a handful. Stay safe. Cheers! [[User:Twofingered Typist|Twofingered Typist]] ([[User talk:Twofingered Typist|talk]]) 14:23, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
:::The list is long, but that may reflect the trust the community has in us. Stay well and all the best, [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 16:36, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Yes, back in March, I was about to suggest allowing three requests per-person again when the first lockdowns happened; it feels like it's "pile-on" time again! The table so far is on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Membership/News/2020_Annual_Report#Requests page|Annual Report]] page. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 16:40, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
== Changing punctuation for request templates ==

Recently, I used the markup from the request-page-heading "Copy editors: please update the status of the request with these templates", which inserts bullet points before the "working" and "done" templates, whether copied-and-pasted or clicked-on. The bullet points apparently confuse the archiving bot, which didn't archive my [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Requests&diff=995219855&oldid=995212059 recently completed request until I changed from bullet points to colons]. It that's the case, we should consider adding further instructions to, or changing the punctuation in, the heading. [[User:Dhtwiki|Dhtwiki]] ([[User talk:Dhtwiki|talk]]) 23:36, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
:That's interesting; I wonder why that would happen. It might be a useful way of ''preventing'' unwanted archiving though. I don't think I've ever used asterisks to mark requests '''working''' or '''done'''; I just followed the prevailing culture. The instructions current say: "When you accept a request, place an indented {{Working}} template immediately beneath the request&nbsp;..."; there's nothing about bullet points / asterisks there... but that was written pre-bot. Otoh; [[WP:CREEP]] and [[WP:BEANS]] come to mind... :) Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 06:16, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
::Further note: the bot archives 24 hours after {{tl|Done}} is added... according to your timestamp, your '''done''' was added at 00:18, 19 December 2020 (UTC) and the request was archived [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Requests&diff=995251960&oldid=995236282 here] at 00:52, 20 December 2020 (UTC), which is right on schedule. So it seems the asterisks <s>didn't</s> weren't there to affect the bot <s>but we'd have to test that out to be sure</s>. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 06:25, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
== Tito–Stalin split ==

I had a look at this article to check {{ping|Canadianhockeyfan79}}'s copy edit work. I found they had made only two minor edits and felt the article needed more work.  {{ping|Baffle gab1978}} agreed and struck the "Done" tag. I will now undertake the copy edit and go over any changes I make with this new-to-Wkipedia Guild member when I'm done. [[User:Twofingered Typist|Twofingered Typist]] ([[User talk:Twofingered Typist|talk]]) 21:37, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
:Thank you so much {{ping|Baffle gab1978}} and {{ping|Twofingered Typist}} for your help here and I'm so sorry for causing both of you more work, that was not my intention. I'm super grateful for any help you guys can offer and will gladly accept it. [[User:Canadianhockeyfan79|Canadianhockeyfan79]] ([[User talk:Canadianhockeyfan79|talk]]) 23:34, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
::No problem, {{u|Canadianhockeyfan79}}; WP is one big learning curve {{-)}}. Have fun and all the best, [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 00:14, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

:::{{u|Canadianhockeyfan79}} You haven't caused us extra work. No need to apologize. I'll go through and work on the article now and show you any Manual of Style issues that might have arisen. [[User:Twofingered Typist|Twofingered Typist]] ([[User talk:Twofingered Typist|talk]]) 13:47, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

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