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== AVL Trees - Pseudo Code ==

I have examined the pseudo code on the AVL Tree page and it appears to be flawed in many respects. I contacted Wikipedia via email and gave them the source code to AVL Trees in C++, C# and Java. I look forward to a better presentation resulting from this step.

AVL Trees account for Sets, Maps and Trees - the three most important classes in computer science. Therefore it is critical that the correct code be presented (if Wiki is to maintain credibility). [[User:NNcNannara|NNcNannara]] ([[User talk:NNcNannara|talk]]) 06:04, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

You can find the source code to AVL Trees in Java at [http://nnicrosopht.net/Html/English/Sets/Java.html I# in Java]. A complete discussion of AVL Trees in C# may be found at [http://nnicrosopht.net/Html/English/Sets/Index.html I# in C#]. [[User:NNcNannara|NNcNannara]] ([[User talk:NNcNannara|talk]]) 06:07, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

The Pseudo Code for AVL Trees involves pointers whereas the actual
[[AVL_Tree_in_CSharp|C#]] and [[AVL_Trees_in_Java|Java]] contains no pointers. Perhaps Psuedo Code is a dated subject. It needs to be ascertained precisely how to approach the presentation of trees. My opinion is that actual modern code is better than dated pseudo code. The question is which language to use C++, C# or Java. I have already supplied the source code to AVL in Native C++, Managed C++, C# and Java at [http://rosettacode.org/wiki/AVL_tree Rosetta]. [[User:NNcNannara|NNcNannara]] ([[User talk:NNcNannara|talk]]) 13:38, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

:Thank you for your interest in improving wikipedia, but this is not how it works. We don't publish original thout. Please read [[WP:NOR]], [[WP:CITE]], [[WP:RS]]. - üser:Altenmann [[user talk:Altenmann|>'''t''']] 15:37, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
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== Guidelines for individual software design pattern articles ==

I recently made some significant edits to [[Singleton pattern]] to remove content which I perceived as overly [[Java (programming language)|Java]]-oriented. I received a negative reaction from an anonymous IP on [[User talk:Hpesoj00#Regarding your changes to Singleton pattern|my talk page]] whom I have replied to at [[Talk:Singleton pattern]]. I stand by my edits, but regardless, I have observed that there is very little consistency between the various software design pattern articles. Perhaps there need to be some, at least unofficial, guidelines which all of the articles should follow? I list my suggestions and thoughts here.

===Language-neutrality===

In my opinion, articles on individual [[software design patterns]] should be as [[programming language]]-neutral as possible. By this I mean that the article should discuss the pattern in a way that is generally applicable to the majority of languages in which that pattern is relevant. Examples that violate this guidelines include:

* Code samples which rely on features not present in the majority of relevant languages (e.g. using Java enums to implement the singleton pattern)
* Discussion of language-specific implementation details or bugs which should be accounted for when implementing a pattern (e.g. the Java <code>synchronized</code> and <code>final</code> keywords)

===No superfluous information or opinions===

These articles are about software design patterns, not about things like naming conventions or software design best practices. For example, the following sentence from the [[Adapter pattern]] article is totally inappropriate:

:''When implementing the adapter pattern, for clarity one can apply the class name [ClassName]To[Interface]Adapter to the provider implementation, for example <code>DAOToProviderAdapter</code>.''

===Code samples===

Code samples should be '''embedded in the relevant sections of the article''', not placed in a separate "Code samples" section. Code samples perform a similar function to images: they are an illustrative aid to understanding the topic under discussion. Segregating them to a separate section of the article only makes things harder for the reader. In addition, if we start listing code samples in various languages, how do we determine which languages deserve an entry? Presumable we have to draw the line somewhere, as these articles are not [[Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists|stand-alone lists]]. And we have to ask ourselves: what purpose does this serve? Is the article really improved by having a C++ example ''and'' a Java example ''and'' a C# example, when the syntax for all three languages is very similar? Does it help to get across important additional information about the pattern? I would say no.

There is still the question of '''which language should be used''' to provide the code samples? For the sake of consistency (I'm a software engineer after all), I would be perfectly fine if a consensus could be reached on a language to use for ''all'' articles on patterns (e.g. C++ or Java or C# for all object-oriented software design patterns – I would probably advocate Java on the basis that it is probably the most widely understood language). However, I can see this consensus being near-impossible to reach, so perhaps the language should be chosen per-article. I am open to the idea of using different languages for each code sample within an article – variation is good and neutral – but I worry that it will be harder to compare code samples if they are written in different languages (they will generally demonstrate different variations of the pattern). I'm keen to hear opinions on this.

Lastly, code sample should be '''as minimal as is appropriate'''. If a bare-bones template is sufficient to illustrate the pattern, then that should be used. If providing some additional dummy functionality is necessary to accurately convey the purpose of the pattern, then it's fine to elaborate a bit. However, the sample should be kept short. For example, the [[Adapter pattern#PHP|Adapter pattern PHP example]] is far too long.

===Infoboxes===

We might be able to devise an [[Help:Infobox|infobox]] template for software design patterns. If possible, the infobox should contain the [[class diagram]] (or other applicable diagram) for the basic pattern. Other information the infobox could contain:

* The type of pattern (creational, structural, behavioural, ...)
* Summary of the purpose of the pattern (if this is do-able in infobox format).
* Aliases
* Well-known publications that discuss the pattern (e.g. GOF)
* Related patterns

However, perhaps there is simply not enough to summarize to justify an infobox. Definitely open of suggestions about this.

===Article structure===

I propose the general headings to be standardized across all articles:

* ''Lead'' – Should summarise the article. As per Wikipedia guidelines, should not contain information not provided and sourced elsewhere.
* '''Purpose''' – Should describe what the pattern does and where, why and how it should be used (and should be well-sourced). I don't think it is necessary to subdivide this section unless the section becomes unmanageable.
* '''Implementation''' – Should list the requirements and general approach to implementation of the pattern. If there are variations on the pattern then they can have subsections here.

These headings are not hard and fast, and I'm certainly open to other suggestions, but it would be nice to have some consistency. For example, I would like to see a "Criticisms" section in the singleton pattern article, as it is a somewhat controversial pattern.

I'll be glad to hear feedback on my thoughts. [[User:Hpesoj00|Hpesoj00]] ([[User talk:Hpesoj00|talk]]) 08:46, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

== Blockchain data structure and "blockchain" as an emerging imprtant technology ==

Since data structures of the concatenate chain model, or [[blockchain (database)|blockchains]] (originally "block chains", but now most commonly spelled "blockchain") seem to be much in the news with major financial sector initiatives underway in addition to their tradition digital currency exchange-of-value use case,
and since [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Databases|WikiProject Databases]] seems to be in hiatus, it would be real helpful to have a few more editors from the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer science|WikiProject Computer science]] project consider taking a look at a few of the articles in that space.  The ones that I know could use much more work to improve them are [[blockchain (database)]] and [[Ethereum]].  But I'd be happy to suggest/find others if asked.  Hope to see some of you over there.  Cheers.  [[User:N2e|N2e]] ([[User talk:N2e|talk]]) 01:13, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

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== Software update as a redirect to Patch (computing)? ==

Please see [[Talk:Software update#Software update as a redirect to Patch (computing)?]] --[[Special:Contributions/5.170.9.7|5.170.9.7]] ([[User talk:5.170.9.7|talk]]) 20:34, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

== RFCs on citations templates and the flagging free-to-read sources ==

See
* [[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Access locks: Visual Design RFC]]
* [[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Access Locks: Citation Template Behaviour RFC]]

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== Bird–Meertens formalism ==

Hello,

I have added enough material to [[Bird–Meertens formalism]] to revoke its stub status, in my estimation.

However, this is fresh paint and not my field, so if anyone is interested in the topic, their eyeballs (or any other relevant body parts) are welcome.

Cheers  — [[User:Gamall Wednesday Ida|Gamall Wednesday Ida]] ([[User talk:Gamall Wednesday Ida|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Gamall_Wednesday_Ida|c]]) 16:43, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

== Reassessment request for article "Pointing device" ==

Could somebody from the assessment team have a look at [[Pointing device]] and update the quality/importance class, please? A student in my course significantly extended the article [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pointing_device&oldid=740741833 compared to the previous state] which (imho) improved it quite a bit. As I was involved in the writing of the article, I would prefer not to do the reassessment myself. [[User:Raphman|Raphman]] ([[User talk:Raphman|talk]]) 14:53, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

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== Missing topics list ==

My list of [[User:Skysmith/Missing topics about Computer-related subjects|missing topics related to computers]] is updated - [[User:Skysmith|Skysmith]] ([[User talk:Skysmith|talk]]) 19:31, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

== [[Designing for virtual reality]] at AfD ==

Link for giving input: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Designing for virtual reality]]. [[User:Samsara|Samsara]] 14:46, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

== ''[[v:WikiJournal of Science|WikiJournal of Science]]'' promotion ==

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== Primitive data type -  needs attention from an expert ==

[[Primitive data type]] - This article needs attention from an expert in Computer science. Is there anyone can edit this article? Please have a look on this.
Thank you very much.

[[User:Dulaj Chathuranga|Dulaj Chathuranga]] ([[User talk:Dulaj Chathuranga|talk]]) 17:28, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
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== Too many articles on singularity/superintelligence/etc ==

I am trying to deal with

* [[AI takeover]]
* [[AI takeovers in popular culture]]
* [[Existential risk from artificial general intelligence]]
* [[AI control problem]]
* [[Superintelligence]]
* [[Technological singularity]]
* [[Intelligence explosion]]
* [[Friendly artificial intelligence]]

Which overlap in various ways, both in content and in concept.

I propose that [[AI takeover]] be reduced to a meta style article like [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=AI_takeover&oldid=772679686 this revision], covering several topics with specific content placed in topical articles where possible. Meanwhile, [[AI control problem]] ought to be merged into [[Existential risk from artificial general intelligence]], [[Intelligence explosion]] ought to be merged into [[Technological singularity]], and [[Friendly artificial intelligence]] ought to be merged into [[superintelligence]]. These topics are very similar and the sources are often shared. [[User: Kbog|'''<span style="color:black;">K</span>''']].[[User talk:Kbog|'''<span style="color:blue;">Bog</span>''']] 22:43, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
:[[Friendly artificial intelligence]] and [[superintelligence]] are distinct topics, although obviously there is overlap, and shouldn't be merged.   — [[User:Gamall Wednesday Ida|Gamall Wednesday Ida]] ([[User talk:Gamall Wednesday Ida|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Gamall_Wednesday_Ida|c]]) 23:39, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
::However, a merge of [[Friendly artificial intelligence]] into [[machine ethics]] might be possible. I don't see the harm in keeping them as distinct articles, though.  — [[User:Gamall Wednesday Ida|Gamall Wednesday Ida]] ([[User talk:Gamall Wednesday Ida|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Gamall_Wednesday_Ida|c]]) 23:43, 28 March 2017 (UTC)]]
: What to do with the [[AI takeover]] article is being discussed at ''[[Talk:AI takeover#What's next?]]''. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:The Transhumanist|The Transhumanist]] ([[User talk:The Transhumanist#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/The Transhumanist|contribs]]) </small>

== Source code vs pseudocode, yet again ==

The perennial discussion of whether our articles about algorithms are improved or worsened by adding long chunks of code implementing the algorithms has raised its head again, this time at [[Talk:Hopcroft–Karp algorithm]]. Please contribute your opinions there. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 21:05, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

== Stochastical algorithms ==

I'm trying to devise distinctive short descriptions for 
*[[:Category:Statistical algorithms]] 
*[[:Category:Stochastic algorithms]], and
*[[:Category:Randomized algorithms]],
see [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_April_18#Category:Statistical algorithms]]. Maybe some of the categories should even be joined.

(Possibly, a ''statistical algorithm'' is an ordinary one that computes a function, such as the [[standard deviation]], of a given set of statistical data points; and a ''stochastic algorithm'', aka. ''[[randomized algorithm]]'', aka. ''[[probabilistic algorithm]]'', gets an extra random source as input, as in [[Monte Carlo algorithm|Monte Carlo]] and [[Las Vegas algorithm]]s?) 

Are there any experts in this field who can help? Thanks in advance. - [[User:Jochen Burghardt|Jochen Burghardt]] ([[User talk:Jochen Burghardt|talk]]) 08:47, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

== Popular pages report ==

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== [[Alain Colmerauer]] ==

Hello. Could you please expand [[Alain Colmerauer]] with in-lined references?[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 00:55, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

== Disjoint-sets ==

I'm endeavouring to clean up the [[Disjoint-set data structure]] page. It's currently rated at C-Class. If you have thoughts about what would help improve it, do let me know.[[User:Finog|Finog]] ([[User talk:Finog|talk]]) 07:25, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

== RfC Announce: Wikimedia referrer policy ==

In February of 2016 the Wikimedia foundation started sending information to all of the websites we link to that allow the owner of the website (or someone who hacks the website, or law enforcement with a search warrant / subpoena) to figure out what Wikipedia page the user was reading when they clicked on the external link. 

The WMF is not bound by Wikipedia RfCs, but we can use an advisory-only RfC to decide what information, if any, we want to send to websites we link to and then put in a request to the WMF. I have posted such an advisory-only RfC, which may be found here: 

'''[[Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#RfC: Wikimedia referrer policy]]'''

Please comment so that we can determine the consensus of the Wikipedia community on this matter. --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 21:45, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

==New page==
I have created a new page for computer scientist [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Devlin Dr Kate Devlin]. I would be grateful if you would consider it for your project and possibly rate it. Many thanks. [[User:Mramoeba|Mramoeba]] ([[User talk:Mramoeba|talk]]) 23:34, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

== old userspace draft ==

Found "[[user:Tango tree]]", an abandoned userpage draft  exploring the [[tango tree]] with a bunch of images. Are any of those images at all useful? [[User:DragonflySixtyseven|DS]] ([[User talk:DragonflySixtyseven|talk]]) 15:07, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

== Please help review [[Draft:Priority search tree]] ==

This draft has already been waiting for four weeks in the AFC queue, but it really needs a subject specialist to review it. If you do not wish to do a full AFC review please post your opinions to the [[Draft talk:Priority search tree|talk page]]. Thanks [[User:Dodger67|Roger (Dodger67)]] ([[User talk:Dodger67|talk]]) 17:53, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

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== Recent proof attempt of P≠NP ==

I'd like to draw your attention to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NP-completeness&curid=23385892&diff=797175710&oldid=797080495 this edit]: recently, a paper has been published claiming to prove [[P (complexity class)|P]]≠[[NP (complexity class)|NP]]. If the proof turned out to be unflawed, we'd have to change ''"unless P=NP"'' to ''"since P≠NP"'' (or similar) in a lot of articles. According to [https://lucatrevisan.wordpress.com/2017/08/15/on-norbert-blums-claimed-proof-that-p-does-not-equal-np the cited blog], the paper will (have) be(en) discussed in [https://www.mfo.de/occasion/1733/www_view this Oberwolfach Workshop] (13-19 Aug). - [[User:Jochen Burghardt|Jochen Burghardt]] ([[User talk:Jochen Burghardt|talk]]) 04:43, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
:There are hundreds of papers claiming proofs of either P≠NP or P=NP (see e.g. [https://www.win.tue.nl/~gwoegi/P-versus-NP.htm Woeginger's collection]). This one was at least by someone with expertise in the right area, but a consensus has developed that it's wrong, the same as all the others. See e.g. the summary of the situation in [https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=3409 this more-recent blog post]. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 07:47, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

== ISO 4 redirects help! ==
{{Journal ISO Notice|category=Computer science journals|depth=2}}
Thanks. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 13:37, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

== Program execution sidebar ==

Hey there,

Requesting some assistance Re: {{diff2|807933197|this}} edit (and a more up-to-date {{diff|Template:Program execution|808216618|808095760|diff}}). See [[Template talk:Program execution#Reordering by role rather than function|talk page]]. [[User:François Robere|François Robere]] ([[User talk:François Robere|talk]]) 09:29, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

== [[WP:Manual of Style/Computing#Definite article]] section proposed for revision ==
{{FYI|Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.}}
The [[WT:MOSCOMP#Definite article]] section is proposed, [[Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Bring MOS:COMPUTING back into line with MoS and reality|here]], to be substantially revised for better agreement with RS practice, linguistics, and MoS norms. 

Note: I meant to leave notice here on 1 November but didn't; this discussion has changed and is turning into a proposal to merge useful bits of [[MOS:COMP]] into [[MOS:COMPSCI]] then delete the rest of MOS:COMP. More on that in a moment. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] &gt;<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>&lt; </span> 11:38, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

== Merging [[MOS:COMPSCI#Style]] and salvageable parts of [[MOS:COMP]] into a real guideline ==

{{FYI|Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.}}
Please see proposal at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Computer science/Manual of style#Merging MOS:COMPSCI#Style and salvageable parts of MOS:COMP into a real guideline|at WT:MOSCOMPSCI]], pursuant to the direction the discussion mentioned above has turned. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] &gt;<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>&lt; </span> 11:40, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

== [[AlienVault]] ==

Hi, would someone take a look at [[User talk:Lotje/Archives/2017/November#Help with article?|my userpage]]? [[User:BC1278]] would like to update the article. Thank you for your time. [[User:Lotje|Lotje]] ([[User talk:Lotje|talk]]) 06:25, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
:AlienVault is a leading cybersecurity software and threat detection firm. The article about them could use a number of updates. I've made my suggestions at [[Talk:AlienVault]]. I'm a consultant to AlienVault, and so, according to Wikipedia policy, must have all my suggestions independently reviewed and approved. If anyone has some time to take a look, I'd appreciate it. [[User:BC1278|BC1278]] ([[User talk:BC1278|talk]]) 18:17, 12 November 2017 (UTC)BC1278

== Disambiguation links on pages tagged by this wikiproject ==

Wikipedia has many thousands of wikilinks which point to [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation|disambiguation]] pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Disambiguation|WikiProject Disambiguation]] have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.

A list of the relevant links on pages which fall within the remit of this wikiproject can be found at [http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/cgi-bin/topic_points.py?banner=WikiProject_Computer_science http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/cgi-bin/topic_points.py?banner=WikiProject_Computer_science]

Please take a few minutes to help make these more useful to our readers.&mdash; [[User:Rodw|Rod]] <sup>[[User talk:Rodw|talk]]</sup> 14:34, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

== Merging [[K-way merge algorithm]] into [[Merge algorithm#K-way merging]] ==

See associated discussion at [[Talk:Merge_algorithm#Merge_K-way_merge_algorithm_article_into_this_one]]. This is not just a pun. &mdash;&nbsp;'''[[User:Pzoxicuvybtnrm|<span style="color:#750404;">P</span>]][[User talk:Pzoxicuvybtnrm|<span style="color:#254117;">C</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Pzoxicuvybtnrm|<span style="color:#062159;">B</span>]]''' 22:05, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

== Add Geometric BST View Visualizer ==

I am one of two developers for http://bst.mit.edu I think it would fit as an external link on 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometry_of_binary_search_trees

[[User:Firescar96|Firescar96]] ([[User talk:Firescar96|talk]]) 22:35, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

== Splitting public-policy from technical material at [[Computer security]] ==

{{FYI|Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.}}
Please see [[Talk:Computer security#Some initial ideas on a split and an overhaul]].

Summary: The present article is a mish-mash of material of a general nature (technical, academic, practices, history, terms, incidents, notable-figures) and material of a socio-political nature (infrastructural, regulatory, legal, corporate, financial, espionage and cyberwar, public impacts).  

This started as an RM discussion but turned into a scope one. I've proposed that a [[Cybersecurity]] article (using the term favored in technology-and-public-policy circles) should be a [[WP:SPINOFF|spinoff]], per [[WP:SUMMARY]], for the second group of material, leaving the bulk of the more general info at [[Computer security]] (the basic, non-jargon, descriptive term for the field).  This would be in keeping with [[Cyberwarfare]], [[Internet privacy]], [[Internet censorship]], [[Genetically modified food controversies]], and numerous other clear splits between technology and ''[[technology policy]]'' articles (sometimes multiple such articles, e.g. [[Electronic cigarette]] → [[Regulation of electronic cigarettes]], [[Safety of electronic cigarettes]], and several others – but let's just start with one here).

I've done a section-by-section review of what needs to be done, but it's just one opinion, so additional input is sought.

'''Computers''': In particular, a whole lot of "cybersecurity" isn't about computers and their security so much as it is about telecommunications infrastructure and its management and control.<br /><span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] &gt;<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>&lt; </span> 10:42, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

== Pile of broken programming-language templates ==

There's a whole bunch of half-finished  wrapper templates for syntax highlighting of example code in various programming language, at [[:Category:Programming typing-aid templates]].

They're mostly in the sorry state that [[Template:D-lang]] is in, with broken categorization, no documentation, misuse of large font size, and just malfunctioning – they do not respect whitespace, yet line breaks cannot even be forced with {{tag|br|s}}.  

I repaired some of the issues with a couple of them, like [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ACLU&type=revision&diff=818797725&oldid=443177997 this] in the template and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:CLU/doc&oldid=818797820 this] for skeletal documentation, before realizing they're all like this. I didn't resolve the whitespace problem in any of them. It appears to me that these serve no purpose and should be sent to [[WP:TFD]], unless someone wants to make them work right: to issue the article category they're supposed to (actually it would be better to do a namespace test than the {{para|notcat|y}} thing I did, on second thought), to have proper documentation, with the template category in that, and to do something sane with regard to whitespace.  I think {{U|Sae1962}} created most or all of them, and apparently got side-tracked (I know the feeling!). <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] &gt;<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>&lt; </span> 17:18, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

== [[Uniform binary search]] ==

Does anybody with any experience in programming have any idea whether [[uniform binary search]] is a notable enough technical term to need its own article? I'm running into problems doing a simple Google search because there seem to be some sources that refer to a normal "binary search" as "uniform" without necessarily meaning the topic depicted in the article. I don't know anything about programming so I can't tell the difference with any real certainty.

I'll do any legwork if there should be a merge or delete. &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 23:25, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

== Overcategorization in Category:Programming languages ==

I just noticed that there appears to be some [[WP:OVERCAT|overcategorization]] in [[:Category:Programming languages]]. Please comment at {{section link|Category talk:Programming languages|Overcategorization in this category}} and help fix the issue if you can. Thanks, [[User:Biogeographist|Biogeographist]] ([[User talk:Biogeographist|talk]]) 15:12, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

==  [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|Proposed deletion]] of [[:Linda Shapiro]] ==
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The article [[:Linda Shapiro]] has been [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|proposed for deletion]]&#32;because of the following concern:
<blockquote>I don't believe that Professor Shapiro meets the basic [[WP:NOTE|notability]] guideline, of having "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." I looked through the top 50 G-Hits for "professor Linda Shapiro" and quickly realized that there are multiple subjects, found no independent reliable sources providing coverage, and got to the point where the three words were each appearing separately in the article instead of together.</blockquote>

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be [[WP:DEL#REASON|deleted for any of several reasons]].

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{Tlc|proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your [[Help:edit summary|edit summary]] or on [[Talk:Linda Shapiro|the article's talk page]].

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{Tlc|proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|proposed deletion process]], but other [[Wikipedia:deletion process|deletion process]]es exist. In particular, the [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|speedy deletion]] process can result in deletion without discussion, and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion|articles for deletion]] allows discussion to reach [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] for deletion.<!-- Template:Proposed deletion notify --> <span style="color:#fff;background:Blue">&nbsp;★&nbsp;</span> [[User:BigrTex|<span style="color: blue;">Bigr</span>]] [[User Talk:BigrTex|<span style="color: red;">Tex</span>]] 02:59, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
:What does it mean for a source to be "reliable and independent of the subject"? I understand one's personal webpage is not independent, but what about if a committee has them listed as a former chair -- is that not reliable or independent? Because if not I'm confused by that considering there are other articles of computer scientists where such sources are the few (or only) sources that are not written by the subject themselves. [[User:Derek M|Derek M]] ([[User talk:Derek M|talk]]) 03:18, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
::For a professor the relevant notability guideline is [[WP:NPROF]], not [[WP:GNG]]. People who meet NPROF are actually exempt from having to meet GNG, mostly because notable academics are rarely written about personally, and most of their notability comes from citations to or reviews of their work. You'd be perfectly justified to remove the PROD on that basis, especially if you have reason to believe the person passes NPROF. {{u|DGG}} knows NPROF better than most people know the alphabet so I have pinged him to have a look.
::That being said...I think generally you can take a committee's own word for whether or not someone was a member or a chair. Same thing with a university saying someone is a professor there. That may not add much to notability depending on the individual committee or university. "Independent" when it comes to NPROF is more like, don't cite their own papers or publications to support notability.
::And finally, [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]]. There's no way to know how the PROD tagger came across this article specifically, nor does it really matter why they tagged this article and not others in the category. If the subjects of those other articles are not notable, they should be deleted. If they are, their sourcing should be improved. &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 03:43, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
:::Thank you. So if I am understanding you correctly, the proposal quoted the wrong criteria. We should instead be focusing more on whether this professor passes the "Average Professor Test." I am not in academia so I can't comment on whether a particular committee is notable or a particular award is "prestigious" enough for that criteria but I am glad to learn more about the process regardless. [[User:Derek M|Derek M]] ([[User talk:Derek M|talk]]) 04:08, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
The criteria are in [[WP:PROF]]. They are much more specific than the "average professor test", which we have not used for years. Shapiro easily passes several of them. But the article as nominated was very bad, mentioning almost nothing about Shapiro beyond the name of her employer. It is understandable that an article in that shape was nominated for deletion, but the nominator also demonstrates a clear failure to understand the criteria for academic notability. I unprodded it and added some better information about her. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 04:28, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
::depending on how one defines professor, using the so-called "average professor test" would make all associate professors and higher at any college notable; but our standards are higher, and I do not think anyone has advocated anything so broad with 1996 or so.  With the actual WP:PROF standards the line is more at the level of all full professors at major research universities--but that's only a very rough indication, because the actual   specific criteria need to be applied.  (the clearest one here is IEEE Fellow, which is a major honor in the field)  This is entirely indpendent of the GNG,, which does not have to be met; though it is usually could be met also, it would givevery erratic results in this area. '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 14:51, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

:: I know it is late in the day, and the IEEE Fellow entry wasn't in the article, but a quick 10 minute search would have shown she was a fellow, and they dont hand these out in lucky bags. I mean they really dont. [[User:Scope creep|scope_creep]] ([[User talk:Scope creep|talk]]) 15:34, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
==Foo==
Question please. Is "Foo?" with a question-mark used in computing as a variant of [[Foo]]. [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 18:05, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
: I've never seen this in the wild. Languages like Ruby can have function names of the form ''foo?'', typically used as predicate functions, so I suppose it is possible as a metasyntactic construct. --[[User:Mark viking|Mark viking]] ([[User talk:Mark viking|talk]]) 20:22, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

== Problem with bulkloading a B-tree ==

The [[B-tree]] article (version {{oldid2|817371125|oldid{{=}}817371125, 28 December 2017}}) seems to have an interesting part in section [[B-tree#Initial construction|#Initial construction]], which is unsourced, incomplete and possibly original research. Please comment on appropriate way of resolving the issue at [[Talk:B-tree#Initial construction by bulkloading]]. --[[User:CiaPan|CiaPan]] ([[User talk:CiaPan|talk]]) 11:10, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

== Algorithms for generating uniform distributions ==

A common and well-studied problem is generating uniform random numbers mod {{mvar|n}}, i.e. a random number {{math|0 ≤ ''x'' &lt; ''n''}}.  I can't find mention of the common algorithms (<code>rand32() % n</code>, <code>(uint64_t)rand32() * n >> 32</code>, and the rejection techniques used to eliminate bias in the results).
* Am I blind and this is already in Wikipedia somewhere?
* Assuming not, where should it go?  I'm not sure which is best among:
** [[Discrete uniform distribution]]
** [[Random number generation]]
** [[Pseudo-random number sampling]]
** A separate article like [[Draft:Algorithms for generating uniform distributions]]
Does anyone have a suggestion?  Thanks! [[Special:Contributions/23.83.37.241|23.83.37.241]] ([[User talk:23.83.37.241|talk]]) 03:08, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
: I agree that these are popular techniques in practice to get a random number in {{math|[0...n]}} given the output of rand32 or a similar random function. However, what kind of encyclopedic content did you imagine we should have about them? To me, these just seem like code snippets, not notable algorithms. [[User:BenKuykendall|BenKuykendall]] ([[User talk:BenKuykendall|talk]]) 22:03, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
:: {{ping|BenKuykendall}} Well, algorithms ''are'' encyclopedic content.  Including ones to generate probability distributions like the [[alias method]] and [[ziggurat algorithm]] and the [[Box-Muller transform]].  Mostly I want to talk about the bias, how  it varies depending on the input size, how it differs between the modulo and multiplication algorithms (the fact that the overrepresented numbers are all at the low end with the modulo algorithm biases the mean more than the multiplicative), and then ways to eliminate it.
:: The actual inspiration was simpler: I came across [https://lemire.me/blog/2016/06/30/fast-random-shuffling/ Fast random shuffling] and hadn't seen the algorithm there for debiasing the multiplicative technique.  "I wonder if that's in Wikipedia?"  And then I couldn't find any discussion of the entire subject, so I had to write more.
:: For my own future reference: [https://ericlippert.com/2013/12/16/how-much-bias-is-introduced-by-the-remainder-technique/ How much bias is introduced by the remainder technique?]
:: [[Special:Contributions/23.83.37.241|23.83.37.241]] ([[User talk:23.83.37.241|talk]]) 01:38, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
::: {{ping|23.83.37.241}} Sorry if it sounded like I was trying to shut down your idea; I just want to make sure that other sources have talked about these sampling techniques. If you're still looking for sources, I recommend Knuth; he mentions the first technique in section 3.4.1 of [[TAOCP]] vol 2 and has some other citations. In terms of an appropriate article, I would lean towards adding a new section to [[Pseudo-random number sampling]]. Best, [[User:BenKuykendall|BenKuykendall]] ([[User talk:BenKuykendall|talk]]) 17:50, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

== Speedy deletion of ACM Doctoral Dissertation Award ==

Hey all. Someone has nominated [[ACM Doctoral Dissertation Award]] for speedy deletion. Anyone here want to step in to the debate? I for one think ACM awards are significant in general, but I would appreciate hearing what you all have to say. Best [[User:BenKuykendall|BenKuykendall]] ([[User talk:BenKuykendall|talk]]) 17:56, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
: For everyone's information, the issue of [[WP:Notability]] is still under discussion, but the [[WP:SPEEDY]] proposal (under A7) has been withdrawn; it's going through the long process while an editor is working to find references. [[Special:Contributions/23.83.37.241|23.83.37.241]] ([[User talk:23.83.37.241|talk]]) 03:11, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
:: With the wikilinks, you can see many of the winners/honorable mentions are notable (and many more need to be linked or added). I'm not trying to inherit to the award, but I think many gained notability from the award. I was wondering about how to improve the article. Should we always include the university's announcement of the award and/or third party mentions or just use the ACM list? Should we add the title of each thesis? [[User:StrayBolt|StrayBolt]] ([[User talk:StrayBolt|talk]]) 08:09, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

== Deletion of [[Academic genealogy of computer scientists]] ==

The deleted page was linked to on this project page and our to-do list. I removed the newly red links.

Any thoughts on how we can keep track of biographies of computer scientists without this page? I liked having the recently-changed link <nowiki>[[Special:RecentChangesLinked/Academic genealogy of computer scientists|Biographies of computer scientists]]</nowiki>. Any idea on how to maintain that functionality now?

(The Afd page: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Academic genealogy of computer scientists]])
[[User:BenKuykendall|BenKuykendall]] ([[User talk:BenKuykendall|talk]]) 19:13, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
: I guess I resolved this by linking to [[List of computer scientists]] instead [[User:BenKuykendall|BenKuykendall]] ([[User talk:BenKuykendall|talk]]) 04:15, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

== No "Computer History" category? ==

New to the WikiProject Computer science. I noticed there is no Computer History category listed as part of this WikiProject scope? I guess there might be many interesting articles. 
[[Floppy Disk]], [[ENIAC]], [[IE6]], etc.

[[User:Xinbenlv|Xinbenlv]] ([[User talk:Xinbenlv|talk]]) 04:16, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
: Wikipedia has a great deal of information about historic computation; much of it is organized in the [[Timeline of computing]]. [[User:BenKuykendall|BenKuykendall]] ([[User talk:BenKuykendall|talk]]) 19:26, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

: {{re|Xinbenlv}} There is a [[:Category:History of computing]] with a subcategory [[:Category:History of computing hardware]] and multiple sub-sub-categories... --[[User:CiaPan|CiaPan]] ([[User talk:CiaPan|talk]]) 13:02, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

== Input needed at [[Talk:AV1]] ==

Hi there. A user is asking quite a lot of questions on this page that falls under the scope of this WP but I have no idea how to answer them. Could someone more knowledgeable have a look please? Regards [[User:SoWhy|<b style="color:#7A2F2F; font-variant:small-caps">So</b>]][[User talk:SoWhy|<b style="color:#474F84; font-variant:small-caps">Why</b>]] 07:26, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

== Cache hierarchy page could use some work ==

Just thought I'd pop up here and link to an article that could use some attention. [[Cache hierarchy]] needs some serious copy-editing, suffers from [[WP:Jargon]], and is very intel-specific with few sources cited, lending itself to read almost like an advertisement for x86/x86-64 architecture design decisions. Figured any academics that are on here that want to research it or anyone knowledgeable about the subject might want to take a look at the article. I'm getting by just going through a section at a time and fixing the most egregious errors, but this is going to need more than a couple people looking through it. [[User:Rejewskifan|Rejewskifan]] ([[User talk:Rejewskifan|talk]]) 20:09, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

== WikiProject collaboration notice from the [[WP:WPPORT|Portals WikiProject]] ==

The reason I am contacting you is because there are one or more portals that fall under this subject, and the Portals WikiProject is currently undertaking a major drive to automate portals that may affect them.

Portals are being redesigned.

The new design features are being applied to existing portals.

At present, we are gearing up for a maintenance pass of portals in which the introduction section will be upgraded to no longer need a subpage. In place of static copied and pasted excerpts will be self-updating excerpts displayed through selective transclusion, using the template {{tl|Transclude lead excerpt}}.

The discussion about this can be found '''[[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Portals#AWB_team_please_tackle_maintenance_run_on_intro_sections|here]]'''.

Maintainers of specific portals are encouraged to sign up as project members '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Portals#Specific_portal_maintainers|here]]''', noting the portals they maintain, so that those portals are skipped by the maintenance pass.  Currently, we are interested in upgrading neglected and abandoned portals. There will be opportunity for maintained portals to opt-in later, or the portal maintainers can handle upgrading (the portals they maintain) personally at any time.

=== Background ===

On April 8th, 2018, an [[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/RfC: Ending the system of portals|RfC ("Request for comment") proposal was made to eliminate all portals and the portal namespace]].  On April 17th, the Portals WikiProject was rebooted to handle the revitalization of the portal system. On May 12th, the RfC was closed with the result to keep portals, by a margin of about 2 to 1 in favor of keeping portals.

There's an [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-05-24/WikiProject report|article in the current edition of the Signpost interviewing project members about the RfC and the Portals WikiProject]].

Since the reboot, the Portals WikiProject has been busy building tools and components to upgrade portals.

So far, 84 editors have joined.

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Thank you.  <span class="nowrap">&nbsp;&nbsp; &mdash; ''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The&nbsp;Transhumanist]]''&nbsp;&nbsp; </span> 07:29, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

== Various Computer Science/AI drafts ==

Over on [[WP:WPM]] we been working on identifying draft which come under our project and reviewing them at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics/List of math draft pages]]. Part of this process involved finding draft which had mathematical of chemical equations in them. Quite a few of them come under your project and we have listed them at [[Wikipedia:List of draft pages on science and engineering]]. You may wish to examine these and see if any should be promoted to main space. --[[User:Salix alba|Salix alba]] ([[User talk:Salix alba|talk]]): 07:45, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

== Copy-edit to "Computing" article ==

Hi!  The {{alink|Things to do}} section requests a copy-edit of the [[Computing]] article.  I've found and fixed a few small things.  Please have a look, and comment or improve on my efforts.  There's also no <nowiki>{{copyedit}}</nowiki> template on that page, so I won't be removing it  when done …! [[User:Yahya Abdal-Aziz|yoyo]] ([[User talk:Yahya Abdal-Aziz|talk]]) 20:50, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

== Featured article review of ROT13 ==

I have nominated [[ROT13]] for a [[Wikipedia:Featured article review/ROT13/archive2|featured article review here]]. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets [[Wikipedia:What is a featured article?|featured article criteria]]. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are [[Wikipedia:Featured article review|here]]. <span class="nowrap">— '''[[User:Bilorv|Bilorv]]'''<sub>[[Special:Contribs/Bilorv|(c)]][[User talk:Bilorv|('''talk''')]]</sub></span> 01:19, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

== The disamb page for "[[Bot]]" shouldn't link to [[Computing Machinery and Intelligence]]. Right? ==

The disamb page for the word "[[Bot]]" includes a link to our article about Turing's paper [[Computing Machinery and Intelligence]]. The word "bot" apparently doesn't occur in that article. 

This paper and the concept of "bots" might be related, but IMHO it's wrong to include a link to that article as an actual disamb of "[[Bot]]". 

What say you?  - [[Special:Contributions/189.122.52.73|189.122.52.73]] ([[User talk:189.122.52.73|talk]]) 02:42, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

== Input needed at [[Talk:Garden of Eden (cellular automaton)]] ==

Hi there. I noticed that [[Garden of Eden (cellular automaton)]] was unreviewed, and given the quality of it, I felt it was better to B-class assess it now than rate it C-class and it not get seen for a while. I've assessed all categories other than scope, but could do with a subject-matter expert to confirm whether it "reasonably covers the topic, and does not contain obvious omissions or inaccuracies." Would someone be able to [[Talk:Garden of Eden (cellular automaton)/Archives/2021#B-class assessment|take a look at it]]? Thank you. — [[User:Sasuke Sarutobi|Sasuke Sarutobi]] ([[User talk:Sasuke Sarutobi|push to talk]]) 18:44, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
:Well, I think it does (and probably qualify as a cellular automaton expert), but I have a COI, as I wrote most of the article. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 01:26, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
: From my physics background I know something of cellular automata, but would not say I was an expert. I read through the article and some of the sourcing in some depth at the time of the RFC there and began to think of it as a good article candidate. As far as I can tell, it covers the field well and no obvious omissions or errors. In my opinion, easily a B class. --<code>&#123;&#123;u&#124;[[User:Mark viking|Mark viking]]&#125;&#125;&nbsp;{[[User talk:Mark viking|Talk]]}</code> 03:09, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
::Thank you both. I've now updated it to B-class accordingly. {{done}}  — [[User:Sasuke Sarutobi|Sasuke Sarutobi]] <small>([[User talk:Sasuke Sarutobi|push to talk]])</small> 16:34, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

== Help closing AfD ==

Some strangeness happened at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Toledo Nanochess]].  Could I entice somebody impartial who's both a programmer (and can thus understand the geekiness) and an admin (and is thus qualified to close the discussion) to take a look at it?  -- [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 15:49, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

:Not an admin, but it's a weird debate. I think most the votes are to keep, nominally a weak keep based on the chessbase and ICGA articles. Most participants appear to be making a joke of the code in the article. Their votes are also explained in English. I would recommended to ignore the code as it's not written to be valid. Instead take whatever inference is possible from the English in the debate. &mdash; [[User:Frayae|Frayæ]] ([[User talk:Frayae|Talk]]/[[:is:Notandaspjall:Frayae|Spjall]]) 18:47, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

{{Clear}}
== There is no article about web shell on Wikipedia so i created a draft regarding web shell ==

I am surprised that there isn't already one. And I talked to another Editor who was also surprised. I am here to ask for help to improve that article and I do believe that some of you will certainly help. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Web_shell

I have copied the most of the draft from a US government website https://www.us-cert.gov/ncas/alerts/TA15-314A
I know that United States copyright law does permit re-use. But my problem is that it addresses the reader and offers opinions and advice.
Can any willing editor help me to fix it ?
[[User:Eatcha|Eatcha]] ([[User talk:Eatcha|talk]]) 14:29, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

UPDATE i fixed the "addresses the reader and offers opinions and advice" [[User:Eatcha|Eatcha]] ([[User talk:Eatcha|talk]]) 09:17, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

== Featured quality source review RFC ==
Editors in this WikiProject may be interested in the [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Featured quality source review RfC|featured quality source review RFC]] that has been ongoing. It would change [[WP:FAC|the featured article candidate process]] (FAC) so that source reviews would need to occur prior to any other reviews for FAC. Your comments are appreciated. --[[User:Izno|Izno]][[User:IznoRepeat|Repeat]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 21:33, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

== [[:Human Interaction Proof]] ==

Was wondering if someone from this WikiProject would mind taking a look at this new article and assssing it. It looks like a first attempt at writing an article by a new user. Subject matter seems quite technical, and it reads more like an academic paper than a Wikipedia article. I tried to do some basic formatting cleanup, but perhaps someone here is familiair with the subject matter and can help with the phrasing, etc. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 02:16, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
: The article contains a huge fork of [[CAPTCHA]], which must be trimmed mercilessly. That done, we may take a closer look whether it is OR or covered somewhere else. Unfortunately I cannot do this due to computer access impairment.- [[user:Altenmann|Altenmann]] [[user talk:Altenmann|>talk]] 05:27, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

== Missing [[deep learning]] topics ==

* [[GoogLeNet]]
* [[R-CNN]]
* [[Fast R-CNN]]
* [[Faster R-CNN]]
* [[Mask R-CNN]]
* [[RetinaNet]]

Articles about many notable deep networks are not created. --[[User:Sharouser|Sharouser]] ([[User talk:Sharouser|talk]]) 12:18, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

== Weird [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer science/Article alerts|Article alerts]] behavior ==

Why is [[Pareto efficiency]] listed under PR but the discussion link is broken? [[User:Qzekrom|Qzekrom]] ([[User talk:Qzekrom|talk]]) 02:16, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

== Boldface for computational complexity classes ==

In [[computational complexity theory]] it's traditional to denote [[Complexity class|complexity classes]] by short, inscrutable, boldface, all-capital abbreviations. Of course (as a project and an encyclopedia) we have to decide what is right for us. At the moment our articles are split between boldfacing complexity classes throughout (e.g., [[RE (complexity)|RE]], [[Arthur–Merlin protocol|AM]], [[UP (complexity)|UP]], [[PH (complexity)|PH]], [[Parity P|⊕P]], [[PP (complexity)|PP]], [[♯P]], [[IP (complexity)|IP]], [[ZPP (complexity)|ZPP]], [[BQP]], [[NC (complexity)|NC]], [[L (complexity)|L]]) and leaving them in standard type (e.g., [[EXPTIME]], [[R (complexity)|R]], [[P (complexity)|P]], [[NP (complexity)|NP]], [[PSPACE]], [[APX]], [[AC0|AC<sup>0</sup>]]). It would be nice to have a style guide imposing uniformity (or at least admitting to the current lack thereof).

Thoughts?

[[User:CRGreathouse|CRGreathouse]]<small> ([[User talk:CRGreathouse|t]] | [[Special:Contributions/CRGreathouse|c]])</small> 07:06, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
:'''Prefer normal weight'''.  Boldface might be fine in a textbook, if you have complete freedom to choose other style elements.  In a Wikipedia article it's too overloaded. --[[User:Trovatore|Trovatore]] ([[User talk:Trovatore|talk]]) 07:59, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
:I'd be okay with sans-serif (in particular the LaTeX command \mathsf), as that's the convention used by many papers/textbooks. I don't think we should use boldface, per the reason given by Trovatore. [[User:Enterprisey|Enterprisey]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Enterprisey|talk!]]) 03:29, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

:I'm happy with just one vote, if it's Trovatore's, but I'd like to have somewhere to point to other than this Talk page before I start making changes. Is there a good subject-specific MOS somewhere? - [[User:CRGreathouse|CRGreathouse]]<small> ([[User talk:CRGreathouse|t]] | [[Special:Contributions/CRGreathouse|c]])</small> 01:08, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

:I agree with {{user|Enterprisey}} that \textsf is the most common convention (e.g. <math>\textsf{NP}</math> instead of '''NP''' or NP); but for Wikipedia articles, this may be too distracting. I would be fine with normal weight text in running text, and \textsf inside of formulas on their own lines. I do think, per {{user|CRGreathouse}}, that we should add this to an MOS -- perhaps a new section in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer science/Manual of style]]? [[User:BenKuykendall|BenKuykendall]] ([[User talk:BenKuykendall|talk]]) 17:33, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
::First choice for me is normal weight text font. Second choice is \textsf in a math formula. (I have different publications with different choices of these conventions, and in my own publications prefer \textsf but here I think the convenience of normal text outweighs the visual distinctiveness of \textsf, which is anyway much smaller than usual because most Wikipedia display styles use sans-serif body text.) Far behind either of those is bold. But behind even boldface is the current mess of sometimes bold and sometimes not. We should standardize this. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 18:50, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
:If "inscrutable" is a term of art regarding fonts, it's one I've never come across... Do you mean "sans-serif" ? Regarding the question, I too would favour normal text font; \textsf is fine within a formula, but frankly I don't give a hoot, so long as it's clear what is meant, and it's consistent *within an article*.  — [[User:Gamall Wednesday Ida|Gamall Wednesday Ida]] ([[User talk:Gamall Wednesday Ida|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Gamall_Wednesday_Ida|c]]) 19:29, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
::{{re|Gamall Wednesday Ida}} I believe the "inscrutability" is due to the overwhelming number of (perhaps unfamiliar) initialisms; not due to the way we typeset them. This issue is perhaps avoidable, if we commit to referencing complexity classes by name (e.g. non-deterministic polynomial time instead of NP) but I do not think this would be a good policy. Wikipedia already has guidelines about the use of acronyms: [[MOS:ACRO]] (in summary: write out all but the most common acronyms in full in the first usage). [[User:BenKuykendall|BenKuykendall]] ([[User talk:BenKuykendall|talk]]) 20:53, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
:::Complexity class names like EXP and PSPACE are not acronyms. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 21:59, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
:::Oh, I see. Or rather I don't see how they are more -- or less -- inscrutable than any other jargon. I'm also not convinced that spelling them out -- even on first usage -- is likely to be useful; especially for the most common ones. If the reader cares AND they are not familiar with NP yet, then they need a lot more than a few extra words (that were already available on mouseover anyway) to understand what NP actually ''means''. Actually, in the case of NP, I imagine that many, many, *more* people might know the class just as "NP" rather than as "non-deterministic polynomial time". For something more esoteric like [[Parity P|⊕P]]... that's certainly a class I for one didn't know, and "Parity P" helped me naught in guessing its definition. So yeah, I've trouble imagining a likely usecase where spelling them out might be useful.  — [[User:Gamall Wednesday Ida|Gamall Wednesday Ida]] ([[User talk:Gamall Wednesday Ida|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Gamall_Wednesday_Ida|c]]) 02:42, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

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{{Clear}}
== Quote_notation: overly optimistic ==

The article on "[[Quote_notation]]", although sort of interesting, is overly optimistic on the usefulness of this notation for general computation with fractions.
There is an obvious problem that the length of a quote notated fraction is linear in its denominator, often even close to it.

This optimism is already there in the original article.

For example, the suggestion is that subtraction of two quote notated number is "just subtract".
Here a bad counterexample:
To subtract 1/19 from 1/17 (giving 2/323), you compute
2941176470588235'3 - 894736842105263159'9, and after subtraction you get a number with a repeating part of 144 digits, ending in ...4334365325077'4

This is not easy by any stretch of the imagination.
However, the notation is still an interesting thought experiment, so I would suggest not to remove it, but just make it a bit more realistic.

{{Clear}}
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== What is a suitable secondary/independent work for the purposes of notability of a language? ==

{{U|Stifle}} speedy-closed some recently POINTy AFDs. While I agree that they were POINTy, it wasn't obvious to me that the AFDs had no merit. For the particular AFD I noticed, [[Monkey X]], I went and took a moment to see what exists to see what can actually be cited for the purposes of meeting the [[WP:GNG]]. I found [https://books.google.com/books?id=BaYsDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA180&dq=%22monkey+x%22+language&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjW--7tnqbjAhVaGs0KHdoqBB0QuwUINzAC#v=onepage&q=%22monkey%20x%22%20language&f=false a small section of a book] where the language is used as an example, a [https://books.google.com/books?id=gXSXrav3RK8C&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22monkey+x%22+language&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjW--7tnqbjAhVaGs0KHdoqBB0Q6AEILjAB#v=onepage&q&f=false how-to program in the language] book, [https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/209221/Road_to_the_IGF_Brace_Yourself_Games_Crypt_of_the_NecroDancer.php an article where the language is used to explore game design], and then trivial mentions elsewhere (nothing of interest in Google, GNews, Gbooks, Gscholar). None of these strike me as rising to the requirements in the [[WP:GNG]].

I am, of course, less interested in the specifics of the case. I'm much more interested in the kinds of works that show a language's notability. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 21:40, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

: It is a good question. From my observations at language AfDs, beyond the requirements of multiple, in-depth, independent RS, the kinds of sources that gain the most traction with other editors are those written "out of universe", that is, sources that write about the language as a separate entity. Such sources might describe the history of the language, what kind of language it is in the pantheon of languages, and what its unique or notable features are. The sources might compare and contrast a language with other languages, or give a history of major applications of a language. They might discuss language standards or standardization efforts. They might discuss the influence of the language on other languages. Sources like this avoid being dismissed as just [[WP:NOTHOWTO]]-forbidden manuals. One challenge of the field is that the best sources may be written by the creators. It is sort of absurd that [[The C Programming Language]] by K&R, a book with a big impact itself, doesn't technically contribute toward notability of the C language.  --<code>&#123;&#123;u&#124;[[User:Mark viking|Mark viking]]&#125;&#125;&nbsp;{[[User talk:Mark viking|Talk]]}</code> 00:15, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
*I make no comment on the notability of the underlying articles, but to the extent it isn't implied, if you wish to renominate in good faith any of the articles I speedily kept, you are welcome to do so. I did not speedy-close all of the AFDs; where I felt there was justification or other people had weighed in some were left open. [[User:Stifle|Stifle]] ([[User talk:Stifle|talk]]) 10:49, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
*:{{ping|Stifle}} Oh yeah, no worries. As I said, I understand speedy-closing them in this instance. :) --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 13:13, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
Sorry guys, I am new to Wikipedia projects. Who should i contact to get this [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Guided_Analytics] draft reviewed? It's been months. Cheers --[[User:MLvisualizer|MLvisualizer]] ([[User talk:MLvisualizer|talk]]) 09:37, 30 July 2019 (CET)

== Issue about Bubble sort page ==

Hello,

I have recently made some changes to the page [[Bubble sort]], explaining that for some authors (e.g. on [[CLRS]] book) Bubble sort is different from the one presented now in Wikipedia, because it does not include a test to check if the array is already sorted, which implies that the time complexity is quadratic (<math>O(n^2)</math>) even in the best case, while the version presented in Wikipedia now has linear best-case time complexity (<math>O(n)</math>).

But my edits were reversed by a single user. Then, I created [[Talk:Bubble_sort#Basic_version_of_Bubble_sort,_which_has_quadratic_best-case_complexity,_is_not_documented_here.|a section in Bubble sort's talk page]] so that we could discuss about that. But, unfortunately, people didn't participate on it. Therefore, I would like to invite you to take a look at it and add your comments there. My main goal is to decide if we should include or omit that information about that version of Bubble sort used by some authors. So, if you can, please, go there and let's discuss. Thank you very much.

--[[User:Lp.vitor|Lp.vitor]] ([[User talk:Lp.vitor|talk]]) 10:41, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

== Turing PPT ==

(Originally posted to [[talk:Turing completeness]], where it got no responses)


A while back, Tom Wildenhain wrote [http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/twildenh/PowerPointTM/Paper.pdf a paper] for [http://sigbovik.org/ SIGBOVIK] (a parody conference at which computer scientists get to post academic jokes and be silly) about [[PowerPoint]] being Turing-complete. This circulated online and has, more than once, been cited in our article on [[Turing completeness]]. I have removed it, and left a commented-out warning because, well, SIGBOVIK. However, it occurs to me that this deliberately-silly paper ''may'' nonetheless be scientifically valid.

I am completely unqualified to judge whether this actually is the case. I recognize many jokes, but other parts ''could'' be serious?

Could anyone who genuinely understands the topic read Wildenhain's article and determine the extent to which it can be trusted? Thanks. [[User:DragonflySixtyseven|DS]] ([[User talk:DragonflySixtyseven|talk]]) 17:45, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

: Well, it seems that we can really simulate Turing machines with power point, which implies that any program that can be computed by a Turing machine can also be computed by Power Point. However, there is no formal proof in that joke paper (as expected, since formal proofs would be boring). Therefore, I suggest that we don't cite it.
: As a side note, I would like to say that actually, Power Point being Turing-complete would not be surprising result, since it is a very complex program that can, for instance, process conditional statements and "action links" between slides (which is probably sufficient to perform loops)... Moreover, there are much less complex things that are Turing complete, like [[Game of life]]. 
: --[[User:Lp.vitor|Lp.vitor]] ([[User talk:Lp.vitor|talk]]) 07:10, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

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== Grammar/meaning question from "Adaptation (Computer Science)" ==

The text "the potential user groups are not known a prior, but need to be identified according to future scenarios" appears in the page [[Adaptation (computer science)]], under the first section ("The need for adaptation") as part of a bullet. Maybe I don't know enough about the English language to recognize it as something else, but "a prior" sounds to me like an attempt to write "a priori", as in [[A priori and a posteriori]], which I'm not sure is meaningful outside of analytical philosophy. If that is the intended usage, the typo should be fixed, the a priori article should be linked, and the sentence should be reworded to capture what it means——possibly in a way that removes the phrase "a priori" altogether. Is it supposed to communicate that potential user groups aren't known at the beginning of the software engineering cycle? Even substituting "a priori" for "a prior", I'm at a loss.

--[[User:Beaker Bytes|Beaker Bytes]] ([[User talk:Beaker Bytes|talk]]) 15:13, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

: Thanks for pointing out the problems. Your understanding is correct--in this context, a priori means at the start. I have rewritten the passage to clarify the prose. See if it helps. --<code>&#123;&#123;u&#124;[[User:Mark viking|Mark viking]]&#125;&#125;&nbsp;{[[User talk:Mark viking|Talk]]}</code> 18:10, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

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== GraphBLAS Article - Review and Improvements Requested ==

Hello WikiProject Computer Science! I'm one of the authors of the draft article on [[Draft:GraphBLAS|GraphBLAS]]. It's akin to the [[BLAS]], but for graph algorithms and operations. It's been stuck in the review queue for a while, so I was wondering if I could recruit some help in 1) Improving the article and/or 2) Getting it approved and out of draft. Thank you so much for your help!
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== Proof of space hierarchy theorem ==

There seems to be an issue with the proof given in the article on [[Space hierarchy theorem]]. See the talk page of that article. [[User:Hermel|Hermel]] ([[User talk:Hermel|talk]]) 22:21, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

== Database Project: More eyes, less bugs ==

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== Response to "vague" in the definition early in [[HTML element|https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML_element]] ==

I agree with the label, FWIW.

Recommended: Add a clause at the end of the sentence so the end reads, "document or [[web page]], typically an opening HTML tag (''[[#HTMLTAGS|HTML Tags]]'' still applies), a closing HTML tag, and everything between."

This wording is consistent with my own experience and with these and other URLs:
<ref>https://www.w3schools.com/html/html_elements.asp</ref>
<ref>https://www.tutorialrepublic.com/html-tutorial/html-elements.php</ref>
<ref>https://www.computerhope.com/jargon/h/html-element.htm</ref>

Recommended: Near the end of the article, after the text "|title=HTML Tags", and in the field "access-date", change "2009-03-28" to "2020-01-16" (or whatever later date you process this).

Several places in the article indicate this source remains useful. I agree. Further, it's comforting we can point to such foundational documents as having continuing value.

[[User:SoftwarePM|SoftwarePM]] ([[User talk:SoftwarePM|talk]]) 21:59, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

{{reflist-talk}}


: {{re|SoftwarePM}} I tried to improve the description a bit. Please see the result: [[Special:Diff/936903302]]. If you also want to look at accumulated changes I made, {{Diff||937174234|936490192|they are available here}}. --[[User:CiaPan|CiaPan]] ([[User talk:CiaPan|talk]]) 21:21, 21 January 2020 (UTC); updated 07:43, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

== Uniquely inversible grammar ==
Hi could anyone with a knowledge of natural language processing please take a look at [[Uniquely inversible grammar]]? It’s been unsourced since 2005. I can see that sources exist and the subject is notable, but not sure how relevant or accurate the current article is or what the best sources would be. Thanks [[User:Mccapra|Mccapra]] ([[User talk:Mccapra|talk]]) 10:14, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

== Idea for new community workspace ==

Hi. I would like to create some kind of collaborative workspace where coordinators or members of various WikiProjects would gather and provide updates and information on what is going on at each wikiproject, i.e. regarding their latest efforts, projects, and where interested editors can get involved. For those of you at this very active WikiProject, your input would be very helpful, so I wanted to get your input on whether you'd be interested in helping me to make this happen. 

we are discussing this proposal right now at: 

<big>* [[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Idea for new community workspace]]
</big>

Please feel free to let me know what you think of this idea, and please let me know your preference, regarding the options below. if you do not see any need for this idea, that is totally fine. However, I think that the majority of editors lack awareness of where the truly active editing is taking place and at which WikiProjects, and I would like to do whatever I can to help make people more aware of where the activity is, what they can do to help, and also which areas of Wikipedia offer ideas and efforts that might help them in their own editing activities. Please feel free to let me know.

*Would you be interested in an idea of this nature? 
*If so, which option below seems most feasible to you? 
**Create a new page/talk page at the existing  WikiProject Council, where members of various WikiProject can gather to offer updates, information and ideas on the latest efforts at each of their own WikiProject, such as [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Town Hall]].
** Create an entirely new WikiProject with an inclusive name such as 
***[[Wikipedia:WIkiProject Town Hall]], 
***[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Bulletin Board]], 
***[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Water Cooler]]
** Create a new collaborative page or forum, but ''not'' as a new WIkiProject, i.e. with some name like 
***[[Wikipedia:Town Hall]] or 
***[[Wikipedia:Water Cooler]]
**Create a new sub-page in my own userspace, such as [[User:Sm8900/Town Hall]]
**Create a subpage at an umbrella-type WikiProject that already covers a broad topical area, such as [[Wikipedia:WikiProject History/Town Hall]]

thanks. --[[User:Sm8900|Sm8900]] ([[User talk:Sm8900|talk]]) 19:04, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

== [[Project:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Computer Programming|WikiProject Proposal]] ==

I found this [[Project:{{PAGENAME}}|WikiProject]] on the [[Talk:Computer programming|talk page]] of [[Computer programming]] which I am proposing a [[Project:WikiProject|WikiProject]] for. If you would like to support this [[Project:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Computer Programming|proposal]], please consider signing in the support section. Thanks! --[[User:RH9|RH9]] 09:23, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

== ACM: Open Access to ACM Digital Library During Coronavirus Pandemic ==

<blockquote>...

We believe that ACM can help support research, discovery and learning during this time of crisis by opening the [https://dl.acm.org|ACM Digital Library] to all. For the next three months, there will be no fees assessed for accessing or downloading work published by ACM. ... the ACM DL is now open, and will continue that way through June 30, 2020.
</blockquote>
[[User:RDBrown|RDBrown]] ([[User talk:RDBrown|talk]]) 03:46, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

==Help with draft article [[Draft:Evolutionary automata]]==
Can I get a real help from competent Wikipedia editors, e.g., the anonymous editor who added Example section to our draft? The submission did not have luck with the last two editors, where it looked that the draft was close to publishing. Please re-review the draft on evolutionary automata by specialists from computer science or evolutionary computation. Thanks for your help.

[[User:Eeberbach|Eeberbach]] ([[User talk:Eeberbach|talk]]) 16:33, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
:You keep using the term "our" despite saying only one person edits from your account and you've yet to disclose as per [[WP:COI]]. Can you please clarify? [[User:Praxidicae|Praxidicae]] ([[User talk:Praxidicae|talk]]) 16:37, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
::Wikipedia is similar to a sailboat. It's not possible to steer the boat into a certain direction, but what the user has to do is to predict the existing trend. The question is not how to convince the opponent to create edits in a certain draft, but the question is, what will the opponent do next by himself. The prediction is, that draft articles from the domain of biographies and companies have a high amount of participation. That means, each day many of these articles are generated from scratch and transferred into the main space. While articles with a background in hard science and especially with recent AI theories are not attractive for most wikipedia editors.{{pb}}Again, the question is not how to change this trend, but the question is if this trend is valid or not. I think so, and the outcome is, that the amount of edits taken in the Draft:Evolutionary automata article are low in the future. In case of doubt, no edits at all are created, because it takes time to prepare and upload an edit. The amount of Wikipedia editors is limited and the amount of edits they can create too.{{pb}}Perhaps it make sense to describe the situation from an abstract point of view. The initial question was a request for more resources to edit a certain draft article. That means, it was an request from the outside to Wikipedia for doing a certain task. Now we can estimate how long does it take until the request is fulfilled. Perhaps an example from the past make sense. Last month, i created a draft article for an article request which was created 10 years ! ago. That means, in the year 2010 somebody had asked Wikipedia to do a certain action which was to convert an article wish into an article, and it took until the year 2020 until a stranger (me) has fulfilled the request.{{pb}}I'm sure, that in the case of the Draft:Evolutionary automata it will take less than 10 years. The short term goal is to prevent a G13 deletion of the article. That means, once in every 6 months, somebody has to create a formal edit in the article to prevent that an admin beliefs the article is abandoned.{{pb}}And a short note for the end. The main reason why it's a bit complicated to transfer an Artificial Inteligence draft into the main space is because the total amount of AI Drafts is low. I have counted only 25 of them, which are waiting in the draft space. If an admin will move them now into the main space, nothing has improved.--[[User:ManuelRodriguez|ManuelRodriguez]] ([[User talk:ManuelRodriguez|talk]]) 11:09, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

== ‎Cataloguing programming language constructs ==

Hey there,

I'm looking for comments / additions / re-arranging of [[User:François Robere/sandbox/programming language constructs|this]] template. The point is to review programming language constructs (this being a somewhat vague term encompassing both practical aspects like specific types, and conceptual aspects like type systems) without duplicating other templates. [[User:François Robere|François Robere]] ([[User talk:François Robere|talk]]) 19:41, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

== Problem with computer network page ==
Could someone help with the computer network page. Telecommunications technicians are forcing that computer networks are a subset of telecommunications networks and that they are not part of computing. Please join the discussion here:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Computer_network#Telecommunications_%2F_edit_warring
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Johnuniq#Computer_network
Regards, [[User:Et4y|Et4y]] ([[User talk:Et4y|talk]]) 02:37, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

== CFD: proposed renaming of [[:Category:Computer science by century]] + subcats ==

I have proposed renaming [[:Category:Computer science by century]] to [[:Category:Computing by century]], along with 100 sub-categories for computer science by year and by decade.

The discussion is at '''[[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 May 17#Computing_by_time]]''', where your comments will be welcome. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="font-variant:small-caps"><span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl</span>]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 11:13, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

== GA reassessment of [[Deep Blue (chess computer)]] ==

[[Deep Blue (chess computer)]], an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the [[Talk:Deep Blue (chess computer)/GA2|reassessment page]]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. [[User:Mz7|Mz7]] ([[User talk:Mz7|talk]]) 20:58, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

== Tomas Cerny ==

Hello there - seeking some guidance please on whether or not [[Tomas Cerny (professor)]] is notable per [[WP:NACADEMIC]], based on {{ping|Tomcerny}}'s list of achievements [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGiantSnowman&type=revision&diff=964467687&oldid=964431330 here]. If he is I am happy to create a stub and sort out disambiguation from [[Tomáš Černý]]. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 07:11, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

:Resolved at [[Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(academics)#Tomas_Cerny]] ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 14:08, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

== Use of Watson (computer) at Bambino Gesù Hospital ==

Hello! On behalf of [[IBM]] as part of my work at Beutler Ink, I've '''[[Talk:Watson_(computer)#Update_for_Current_and_future_applications|submitted an edit request]]''' to add mention of [[Watson (computer)|Watson]]'s use at [[Bambino Gesù Hospital]] to the article's ''Current and future applications'' section. I've provided specific text and sourcing, but one editor has suggested perhaps I've proposed too much detail about John Kelly (the "father of Watson") in my request and asked that I find other editors to take a look. Would any other editors be willing to review my proposed text and update the page if appropriate? Thanks for your consideration, [[User:Inkian Jason|Inkian Jason]] ([[User talk:Inkian Jason|talk]]) 14:43, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

== Looking for help writing an article based on an academic paper ==

I wish to summarize the findings of [https://myslu.stlawu.edu/~clee/docs/lol.champion.usage.fdg.2015.pdf this paper] about a computational model into [[Draft:League_of_Legends_champion#Research|this article]], but lack the technical knowledge to do so. If someone could help that would great..--22:09, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

== Where should the apostrophe go? ==

Where should the apostrophe go:
* [[Ones' complement]]
* [[Two's complement]] [[User:Bubba73|Bubba73]] <sup>[[User talk:Bubba73|You talkin' to me?]]</sup> 20:46, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

== A new-ish computer-graphics sense of "mura" ==

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Please see [[Talk:Mura#Another meaning]].  We seem to be missing an article. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 07:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

== Missing article about digital circuit theory ==

There is a missing article about [[digital circuits theory]] (or [[computing circuits theory]]) as the study of [[circuit (computer science)|this circuits]], known as digital logic circuits or computing circuits - abstract [[models of computation]] independent of their physical implementation. Nowadays it is widely used in electronics, but it can be (and was) realised as mechanical, electromechnical or even biological circuits (see also: [[unconventional computing]]). This field is closly related to [[automata theory]], [[computational logic]] and [[computer architecture]]. It is divided into the study of [[combinational logic]] circuits and [[sequential logic]] circuits (see also: [https://study.com/academy/topic/digital-logic-circuits.html digital-logic-circuits.html]). I have some knowledge on the subject, but too little fluency in English. Best regards  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Et4y|Et4y]] ([[User talk:Et4y#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Et4y|contribs]]) 21:30, 5 September 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Nomination of [[:InnerSloth]] for deletion ==
<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|48px|alt=|link=]]</div>A discussion is taking place as to whether the article '''[[:InnerSloth]]''' is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to [[Wikipedia:List of policies and guidelines|Wikipedia's policies and guidelines]] or whether it should be [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deleted]].

The article will be discussed at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/InnerSloth]] until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.<!-- Template:afd notice --> [[User:Right cite|Right cite]] ([[User talk:Right cite|talk]]) 13:31, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

== "Internet" vs. "internet" ==

{{FYI|pointer=y}}
Please see [[Talk:Internet#Request for comment: should "internet" be capitalized as a proper noun?]]<br />
There's some debate there about the difference between "the Internet" and "an internet", about what a proper name is, and about whether news style guides (cf. [[WP:NOT#NEWS]] policy) should be considered reliable for how to write about technical topics. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 14:36, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

== Enumeration reducibility: Proposed Article  ==

[[Enumeration reducibility]] is a requested article in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Logic]] page, I am looking to hear the opinions of others on this article I am now proposing. Has it been discussed in the past? Is it deserving of its own article, or should it be merged with other studies of reducibility relations at [[reduction (recursion theory)]]? It is also mentioned in [[Kleene's recursion theorem#The%20first%20recursion%20theorem|Kleene's recursion theorem]]. Thanks. [[User:Redactedentity|Redactedentity]] ([[User talk:Redactedentity|talk]]) 23:33, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

:I see a lot of [https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C6&q=Enumeration+reducibility Scholar hits] on this term so it is likely deserving of a stand-alone article. ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 16:20, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

== ''Camera tracking'' vs. ''match moving'' ==
The ''[[Camera tracking]]'' article was recently merged into ''[[match moving]]'', but these articles seemed to describe two different concepts: the ''camera tracking'' article was about the process of locating a moving object using a camera, but the ''motion tracking'' article is about the process of combining footage from two different scenes. Was this merge done incorrectly? [[User:Jarble|Jarble]] ([[User talk:Jarble|talk]]) 17:43, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
:{{u|Jarble}}, [[Camera tracking]] was last changed in 2006. It looks like the merge was done properly back then. ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 16:25, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
::{{reply to|Kvng}} "Camera tracking" is a somewhat ambiguous term: it can also refer to [[video tracking]], which is a different problem. Should the page redirect to "[[Motion tracking]]" instead of "[[match moving]]?" [[User:Jarble|Jarble]] ([[User talk:Jarble|talk]]) 17:52, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
:::{{u|Jarble}}, the first Google hits on "camera tracking" are about [[Motion tracking]]. The term may sound ambiguous but it does not appear that it actually is. ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 21:14, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Sandbox organiser]] ==

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Hi all

I've been working on a tool for the past few months that you may find useful. [[Wikipedia:Sandbox organiser]] is a set of tools to help you better organise your draft articles and other pages in your userspace. It also includes areas to keep your to do lists, bookmarks, list of tools. You can customise your sandbox organiser to add new features and sections. Once created you can access it simply by clicking the sandbox link at the top of the page. You can create and then customise your own sandbox organiser just by clicking the button on the page. All ideas for improvements and other versions would be really appreciated.

Huge thanks to PrimeHunter and NavinoEvans for their work on the technical parts, without them it wouldn't have happened.

Hope its helpful

[[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|talk]]) 11:37, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

==[[Cheman Shaik]] up for deletion==
*{{Find sources|Cheman Shaik}}
*{{lagafd|Cheman Shaik}}
Indian inventor.  Question of notability and sourcing.  <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">[[User:7&amp;6=thirteen|<b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b>]] ([[User talk:7&amp;6=thirteen|<b style="color:#000">☎</b>]])</span> 15:42, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

== Invitation to WikiProject Artificial Intelligence ==

To anyone interested in improving Wikipedia's coverage of Artificial Intelligence, please support the WikiProject Proposal: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals/Artificial_Intelligence]]. Thank you! [[User:Burritok|Burritok]] ([[User talk:Burritok|talk]]) 20:18, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

== Disambiguation for Serverless ==

Is this the place to discuss a compsci disambiguation page?

[[Serverless]] redirects to [[Serverless computing]], which only gives a single, more modern meaning. I think it should instead be a disambiguation page.

There is a big difference between [https://sqlite.org/serverless.html classic and modern serverless] computing, and plenty of examples of the classic sort.

From what I read on [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation|Disambiguation]] this needs discussion somewhere before jumping in.

[[User:DanShearer|Dan Shearer]] ([[User talk:DanShearer|talk]]) 15:11, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

:{{re|DanShearer}} a disambiguation page may be needed if there are multiple articles that cover the term. [[Serverless computing]] is one article. What are the others? ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 13:30, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

:{{re|Kvng}} I was thinking more that "Serverless" traditionally means "local" or "embedded", and so references embedded databases, whether SQlite or ISAM or [https://www.firebirdsql.org/pdfmanual/html/ufb-cs-embedded.html Firebird Embedded ]. The same SQLite page I referenced had a [https://web.archive.org/web/20071115173112/https://www.sqlite.org/serverless.html 2007 version ] using ordinary terminology for the time, before the meaning now used in wikipedia. Perhaps instead of a disambiguation page, the distinction should be to use the term "server-less"?

::{{re|DanShearer}}, OK but there are apparently no existing Wikipedia articles covering this meaning of the term. If you think it is a [[WP:N|notable]] topic, maybe create a stub article and then we can talk about a disambiguation page. ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 16:08, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

== network  ==

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mostly nowaday the work with technology has become more wide to the global till date and the communication sending mass media has play a role to society which become more easy to flactuate the mass to air to bothside of the gam to gam which focused to analyticle 
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== Alfred Aho (Turing Award) ==

We are looking to clean up the article on [[Alfred Aho]] to make sure the description of his work is accurate and cited properly.  Your help would be most welcome. [[User:Joofjoof|Joofjoof]] ([[User talk:Joofjoof|talk]]) 08:42, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

== [[AlphaFold]], [[transformer (machine learning model)|transformer networks]], and "attention mechanisms" in machine learning ==

Given the recent "milestone scientific breakthrough" being hailed for [[AlphaFold]] for its results in the [[protein structure prediction]] problem at [[CASP]] 14, which is believed to use two [[transformer (machine learning model)|transformer networks]] as a key core of its design; and the use of transformer networks also in computer vision, I've left the following at [[Talk:Transformer (machine learning model)]], but am re-posting it here, in case anyone with a recent background in machine learning / deep learning / artificial intelligence can help.

On that page I've asked whether "we could try to present what transformer networks are trying to do in a more general framing perspective, wider and more general than their use in [[natural language processing|NLP]]."

In [[AlphaFold#Algorithm]] I've written that the transformers 
<blockquote>"effect a mathematical transformation of [the elements of two feature-vs-feature matrices]. <br />These transformations have the effect of bringing relevant data together and filtering out irrelevant data for these two relationships, in a context-dependent way (the "attention mechanism"), that can itself be learnt from training data."</blockquote>
I'd be grateful for input as to whether I've got this more or less right?

Are transformers therefore doing a similar sort of job to bottleneck networks, [[autoencoder]]s, [[latent variable]] extractors, and other forms of nonlinear input transformation and dimensional reduction techniques? (Though there's obviously more to it than that).  But might be useful to try to identify if there are similarities and differences?

As a final point, it's clear that we could use an article on [[attention (machine learning)]], aka [[attention network]]s, aka [[attention mechanism]]s.  Some of the following, found by Google, look like they may be relevant, but it would be good to get at least a stub created by someone who knows a bit about it.
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIiwuClvH6k&vl=en-GB Attention and Memory in Deep Learning]
* Lilian Weng, [https://lilianweng.github.io/lil-log/2018/06/24/attention-attention.html Attention? Attention!]
* [https://blog.floydhub.com/attention-mechanism/ Attention mechanism], FloydHub
* Buomsoo Kim, [https://buomsoo-kim.github.io/attention/2020/01/01/Attention-mechanism-1.md/ Attention mechanism]

Would anybody feel they could help with this?  [[User:Jheald|Jheald]] ([[User talk:Jheald|talk]]) 15:20, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

:Are references/input still needed for this? I've been working with recurrent neural nets for quite a while and have piled up some links that might be helpful (although some may be rather dated...) --[[User:Idemperialism|Idemperialism]] ([[User talk:Idemperialism|talk]]) 21:54, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

==Category:Science articles needing expert attention==
You are invited to participate in a discussion [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Science#Category:Science_articles_needing_expert_attention]] about the following articles:
*[[Microscope image processing]]
*[[Music information retrieval]]
*[[Anisotropic diffusion]] (and it would be good to change the name to anisotropic diffusion filter).
*15 articles primary about other disciplines. –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 14:36, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

== Most viewed stub in this Wikiproject ==

[[MicroVision, Inc.]]	17,795	593	Stub--[[User:Coin945|Coin945]] ([[User talk:Coin945|talk]]) 14:37, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

== Photometric Stereo ==

Dear all—I have proposed a new section in the [[Photometric Stereo]] article for extensions to non-line-of-sight surfaces (in addition to non-Lambertian surfaces already there). The editors there and I would like expert opinions on the edit. Would anyone be available to have a look? Thanks, [[User:J6ancmvs|J6ancmvs]] ([[User talk:J6ancmvs|talk]]) 00:15, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

== AfC Drafts ==

Hi, there are two draft submissions that could do with someone with knowledge of the area to assess if they are notable or not, both have been waiting over two months
* [[Draft:Epsilon-Machine]]
* [[Draft:The CHSH Game]]
Cheers [[User:KylieTastic|KylieTastic]] ([[User talk:KylieTastic|talk]]) 11:49, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
:[[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Physics#Draft%3AThe_CHSH_Game|Here]] is input from WikiProject Physics on [[Draft:The CHSH Game]]. --[[User:Cerebellum|Cerebellum]] ([[User talk:Cerebellum|talk]]) 09:09, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

== The page "Algorithmics" needs disambiguation ==

Hello friends, 
researching some programming language theory topics I came across the page for [[Algorithmics]], which defines the study as essentially "synonymous with 'algorithms and data structures.'". Although, I don't think that's accurate. A pamphlet by M.M. Fokkinga, "Law and Order in Algorithmics", introduces the study right in the header paragraph like so:

> An algorithm is the input-output effect of a computer program; mathematically, the notion
of algorithm comes close to the notion of function. Just as arithmetic is the theory and
practice of calculating with numbers, so is ALGORITHMICS the theory and practice of
calculating with algorithms. Just as a law in arithmetic is an equation between numbers,
like a(b + c) = ab + ac , so is a LAW in algorithmics an equation between algorithms.
The goal of the research done is: (extending algorithmics by) the systematic detection
and use of laws for algorithms. To this end category theory (a branch of mathematics) is
used to formalise the notion of algorithm, and to formally prove theorems and laws about
algorithms.

In this sense, ''algorithmics is NOT synonymous with algorithms and data structures'' and as such it could be helpful to disambiguate the study of algorithms and their complexity with the study of algebraically deriving programs (usually operations on lists) somewhat like algebraically solving for numbers.

In another pamphlet, "[https://maartenfokkinga.github.io/utwente/mmf2009n1.pdf Background Info for Map and Reduce]", Fokkkinga gives a slick introduction to the topic and lists several important references for researching further. Algebra of Programming (Richard Bird et al.) is another good reference. These plus some historical context would make for a solid wikipedia page. I think it would be helpful to stub the disambiguated version of the page; the current page, taking "algorithmics" to mean just "the study of algorithms" is not that useful as it stands and essentially subsumed by pages like [[Algorithm]].

--21:32, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[[Special:Contributions/2600:1014:B026:50B3:D975:2B90:C1DB:DB10|2600:1014:B026:50B3:D975:2B90:C1DB:DB10]] ([[User talk:2600:1014:B026:50B3:D975:2B90:C1DB:DB10|talk]])

== Requested move at [[Talk:Color code#Requested move 16 August 2021]] ==
[[File:Information.svg|30px|left]] There is a requested move discussion at [[Talk:Color code#Requested move 16 August 2021]] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —&nbsp;[[User:Shibbolethink|<span style="color: black">Shibboleth</span><span style="color: maroon">ink</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Shibbolethink|♔]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Shibbolethink|♕]])</sup> 22:55, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

== Second Opinion on Draft:Inception Institute of Artificial Intelligence ==

Hi, I was wondering if someone interested in AI, computer vision, or related topics could please take a look at the article "[[Draft:Inception Institute of Artificial Intelligence]]." It was previously rejected because it was not considered adequately notable. However, IIAI is a leading AI-research institute in the MENA region, with several hundred publications in highly recognised international venues (including CVPR, TPAMI, ECCV, ICCV, etc.). I am therefore just looking for a second opinion from someone perhaps a bit more familiar with the particular field. Please note that the article cannot be added to the page on [[Mohamed bin Zayed University of Artificial Intelligence|MBZUAI]], as originally recommended by the reviewer, because the two are entirely separate entities. If someone has time to take a look it would be greatly appreciated!

[[User:Alh123456789|Alh123456789]] ([[User talk:Alh123456789|talk]]) 03:57, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
:We need to see coverage in reliable sources that meet [[WP:NORG]]. There are 35 references in the draft. Can you help identify the [[WP:THREE]] best sources that get us there. ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 14:06, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi Kvng, thanks for getting back to me. Here are three references that demonstrate significant coverage of IIAI in reliable sources:

1. "[http://wam.ae/en/details/1395302834865 NYU Abu Dhabi and IIAI join forces to boost Artificial Intelligence research]". ''Emirates News Agency''. Retrieved 16 August 2021.

''Emirates News Agency is the official news agency of the UAE. This article discusses a recent partnership between IIAI and New York University's Abu Dhabi campus. It serves to highlight one way in which the company is helping to shape the UAE's AI research landscape, i.e. by helping to establish and fund a PhD programme within an internationally recognised university, and by promoting collaborative research within the country.''

2. Amsterdam, Universiteit van (2019-03-18). "[https://www.uva.nl/en/content/news/press-releases/2019/03/new-public-private-ai-research-lab-for-medical-image-analysis.html?origin=zvuyIF7VQlmbnXJokCBg7g New public-private AI research lab for medical image analysis]". ''University of Amsterdam''. Retrieved 2021-09-24.

''This is a news article taken from the University of Amsterdam's official website. It discusses the recent "AIM Lab" set up in collaboration with IIAI for the purpose of medical image analysis. This collaboration highlights the international recognition that IIAI has gained, and the article includes a description of the company and its impact at both a local and global level''

3. Fan, Deng-Ping; Zhou, Tao; Ji, Ge-Peng; Zhou, Yi; Chen, Geng; Fu, Huazhu; Shen, Jianbing; Shao, Ling (May 2020). "[https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/9098956 Inf-Net: Automatic COVID-19 Lung Infection Segmentation From CT Images]". ''IEEE Transactions on Medical Imaging.'' '''39''' (8): 2626–2637. arXiv:2004.14133. doi:10.1109/TMI.2020.2996645. PMID 32730213. S2CID 219648586. Retrieved 16 August 2021. 

''This article is a recent publication by IIAI researchers in an internationally renowned, peer-reviewed journal. IIAI has over 300 publications in other similar top venues (e.g. CVPR, ICCV, TPAMI) but this particular one was chosen to help demonstrate the impact and wide recognition of the company's research, as it has already received nearly 300 GoogleScholar citations despite being published just over a year ago. ''

[[User:Alh123456789|Alh123456789]] ([[User talk:Alh123456789|talk]]) 16:20, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{re|Alh123456789}} If this is the best available, you do not have a strong case here. The first two sources sound suspiciously like press releases and their publishers are not clearly [[WP:INDEPENDENT]] of the subject in this reporting. The third doesn't appear to say anything directly about the institute. Although your argument that the achievements of IIAI researchers should reflect well on the institute, our notability guidelines say [[WP:NOTINHERIT]]. ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 20:46, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{re|Kvng}} Thank you very much for taking a look. I understand where you are coming from, but just wanted to clarify a few points. First, I believe the achievements of the IIAI researchers in this case can also be considered achievements of the institute, since their research was done directly on behalf of IIAI, with company resources and ideas. As for the other two sources, I agree that the first article does seem to based on a press release. However, not one from IIAI -- it appears to be based on a [https://nyuad.nyu.edu/en/news/latest-news/science-and-technology/2020/april/iiai-nyuad-eng.html press release] from [[NYUAD]], which is a fully independent organisation from IIAI. Further, the article itself was released by the [[Emirates News Agency]] (which is independent from both IIAI and NYUAD) with, in my opinion, the aim of highlighting notable organisations and partnerships that are helping the UAE in achieving its ambitious AI goals. Finally, the second source is a press release, but again not from IIAI; it was released by the [[University of Amsterdam]], which is fully independent. I chose this source not just because of what is written about IIAI, but also because it highlights that the institution, which was created only three years ago, has quickly grown notable enough to be known and highly regarded by other renowned institutions around the globe. I hope you may reconsider the merit of this article.

::{{re|Alh123456789}} Again, I appreciate that reserchers' achievements reflect on the importance of the institution but that's not how we establish notability of organizations. Our assumption under [[WP:NOTINHERIT]] is that if the institution is notable for these reasons, there should be separate independent reporting on it. 
::[[NYUAD]] and [[University of Amsterdam]] are not independent because they have business relationships with IIAI. ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 15:13, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

:{{re|Kvng}} Fair enough. Thank you again for taking the time to consider it. [[User:Alh123456789|Alh123456789]] ([[User talk:Alh123456789|talk]]) 06:52, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

== Request edit at Photometric stereo ==

An editor made a request edit at [[Talk:Photometric stereo]] a couple months ago. Two responders noted that they might not have the technical expertise to determine if the request should be added to the article. Can someone from this project determine if the edit should be added to the page, then close the request? Thanks. [[User:Z1720|Z1720]] ([[User talk:Z1720|talk]]) 23:46, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

:I'm not sure how much expertise we're going to be able to find to help with this but I replied with a suggestion I hope will work. ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 18:42, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

==[[Arabeyes]] up for deletion==
*{{Find sources|Arabeyes}}
*{{lagafd|Arabeyes|Arabeyes_(2nd_nomination)}}
Open source publisher trying to aid Arab language users with their computers etc.   It was established in early 2001 by a number of Arab [[Linux]] enthusiasts. Trying to find sources is hampered by the presumed language of sources.  It is a [[systemic bias]] in Wikipedia.  [[Arabic language]] speakers needed. <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">[[User:7&amp;6=thirteen|<b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b>]] ([[User talk:7&amp;6=thirteen|<b style="color:#000">☎</b>]])</span> 15:40, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

== Convolution/zip prodded ==

The article [[Convolution (computer science)]] was proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
:"The references do not support the claim that the term convolution is used in this sense and I could not find any other instances online where it is (beyond copy-pastes of this article). (proposed by 142.113.109.61)"
I too wasn't able to find a source to support the claim that "convolution" is used in the sense described in the article. However, the concept of zipping a tuple of sequences into a sequence of tuples is clearly notable (not to be confused with [[Zipper (data structure)]], though). Does anybody here know if there is another Wikipedia article where this could be integrated? —[[User:Tea2min|Tea2min]] ([[User talk:Tea2min|talk]]) 12:21, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
:Ah, zipping two sequences can of course be seen as a special case of [[map (higher-order function)|map2/zipwith]]. So perhaps the existing redirects [[Zip (function)]] and [[Zip (higher-order function)]] should be redirected to [[Map (higher-order function)]] if [[Convolution (computer science)]]  is deleted. —[[User:Tea2min|Tea2min]] ([[User talk:Tea2min|talk]]) 12:44, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
: A quick search yields the concept of convolution is used in formal language theory [http://conal.net/papers/convolution/convolution-long.pdf], [http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.743.4362&rep=rep1&type=pdf] and references therein. But the current article is mostly about applications in programming languages. --<code>&#123;&#123;u&#124;[[User:Mark viking|Mark viking]]&#125;&#125;&nbsp;{[[User talk:Mark viking|Talk]]}</code> 21:20, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

== Overloaded template ==

[[:Template:Edsger Dijkstra]] is way too full IMO, starting with Main research areas, Related people, most (but not all) of Scientific contributions, and then there's [[List of people considered father or mother of a field#Computing]] (''sic''). I don't know enough to weed them out in a reasonable amount of time. Anybody else want to take a crack at it? [[User:Clarityfiend|Clarityfiend]] ([[User talk:Clarityfiend|talk]]) 09:13, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

== Definition of kernel in CS literature ==

The lede in [[Kernel (operating system)]] currently has an incorrect definition, as discussed in [[Talk:Kernel (operating system)#Consistency and generality]], and I am seeking comments from those familiar with the literature, and a few reliable sources for the correct definition. My library is missing the relevant papers from the 1970s. The issues in contention are
# Whether the kernel contains '''all''' of the code that is permanently in memory
# Whether the term ''kernel'' is relevant beyond systems with a layered architecture.
Please ping me and [[user:Rockstone35]] in your responses. --[[User:Chatul|Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul]] ([[User talk:Chatul|talk]]) 13:32, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
:{{re|Chatul}} thank you for bringing it here. I'll restore the tags for now until we get consensus. -- [[User:Rockstone35|<span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span>]][[User talk:Rockstone35|<span style="color:0000ff;font-size:15px"><sup><small><b>Send me a message!</b></small></sup></span>]] 22:33, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

== Big-O list (deletion) ==

Hi, there is currently an AfD for a table located at [[Big_o_list]]. The original version of this list was very poorly described (I've tried to make it more clear), and the list itself is extremely small. I am in two minds whether it should be kept (and expanded) or deleted. I am concerned that its deletion debate currently lacks input from people who understand algorithm-science and the use of big-O notation. I would be very grateful if anyone could comment on the list, whether it has value, or what should be done with it. [[User:Elemimele|Elemimele]] ([[User talk:Elemimele|talk]]) 21:34, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

== New page on "PH-Tree" ==

{{connected contributor|User1=TilmannZ |U1-declared=yes| U1-otherlinks=Author of original PH-Tree paper.}}

I plan to write an article about an algorithm called "PH-Tree" (it is a [[Spatial_database#Spatial_index|spatial index]]). I started the discussion in the Teahouse and they proposed to ask here.

COI: I am the author of the original paper that proposed the PH-Tree. I am '''not''' affiliated with any organization.

===Notability:===

* The algorithm was originally published in a well known Conference ([[SIGMOD]]) in 2014 and has since been cited 55 times ([https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=de&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=PH-tree&oq= Google Scholar]). About 50 of those are independent citations.
* I have implemented the algorithm in Java, the implementation has been forked 17 times and liked 94 times ([https://github.com/tzaeschke/phtree GitHub page]), I think this is a lot for such a specialized algorithm.
* There is an independent C++ implementation [https://github.com/mcxme/phtree|here] 
* There is a new C++ implementation by [[Improbable_(company)|Improbable Worlds]] available [https://github.com/improbable-eng/phtree-cpp|here]. I was hired by this company specifically to support them in using this algorithm (though I am not affiliated with them any more).
* Probably irrelevant: I have also been contacted by two other developers who said they want to provide open-source implementations in other programming languages: Python and most recently C#, but I cannot make this public just yet without their consent.

I looked at some pages regarding notability ([[WP:NSOFTWARE]] and [[WP:NACADEMIC|academics]]) but they seem not to be applicable (PH-Tree is neither a software nor a person). I think the article about [[WP:significant coverage|significant coverage]] is applicable but not very concrete.

===Questions:===
# Would you say this qualifies as "notable" such that it justifies a separate article?
# If it is not notable enough, is there a page where I could add a section (i couldn't find an obvious page to do that). 
# Some of the 50 publications reference the PH-Tree only in passing (i.e. acknowledge that it exists). Would it help if I identified those that go a bit more in-depth?
# Is it a problem that I am the original author of the PH-Tree? I am aware how important unbiased articles are and promise to do my best to make the article as neutral as possible. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:TilmannZ|TilmannZ]] ([[User talk:TilmannZ#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TilmannZ|contribs]]) </span>

:Yes, you will need to identify at least [[WP:THREE]] independent, reliable sources that have substantial coverage. - [[User:MrOllie|MrOllie]] ([[User talk:MrOllie|talk]]) 13:23, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:MrOllie|MrOllie]] Thanks for answering. I went through some of the citations and found the following:

===Non-trivial citations===
====Peer-reviewed publications==== 
I found 9 non-trival citations by 8 different authors. I am not affiliated with any of them.

Detailed discussion or major part of the publication:

* Detailed discussion and performance comparison in a PhD thesis: Efficient Processing of Range Queries in Main Memory; S. Sprenger; 2019; DOI:10.18452/19786; Corpus ID: 196174711
* Discussion (PH-Tree is in the title): Managing Sparse Spatio-Temporal Data in SAVIME: an Evaluation of the Ph-tree Index; S. Herrera, L. Miguez da Silva, +2 authors F. Porto; 2021; (SBBD 2021); DOI:10.5753/sbbd.2021.17895; Corpus ID: 245185935
* Discussion (PH-Tree is in the title): Friend Recommendation Algorithm Based on PH-Tree Multi-attribute Index Tree; J LIANG, Y SUN - Computer Science, 2015 - en.cnki.com.cn

PH-Tree used as reference in performance evaluation of spatial indexing algorithms:

* Online Indices for Predictive Top-k Entity and Aggregate Queries on Knowledge Graphs; Yan Li, Tingjian Ge, Cindy X. Chen; 2020; 2020 IEEE 36th International Conference on Data Engineering (ICDE); DOI:10.1109/ICDE48307.2020.00096; Corpus ID: 218907333
* GeoBlocks: A Query-Cache Accelerated Data Structure for Spatial Aggregation over Polygons; C. Winter, A. Kipf, +5 authors; EDBT 23 / 2020; DOI:10.5441/002/edbt.2021.16; Corpus ID: 227143160
* BB-Tree: A Main-Memory Index Structure for Multidimensional Range Queries; S. Sprenger, P. Schäfer, U. Leser; 2019; 2019 IEEE 35th ICDE; DOI:10.1109/ICDE.2019.00143; Corpus ID: 174820186
* Pre-processing and Indexing Techniques for Constellation Queries in Big Data; A. Khatibi, F. Porto, +3 authors D. Shasha; DaWaK 2017; DOI:10.1007/978-3-319-64283-3_12; Corpus ID: 3857469
* Fast and Adaptive Indexing of Multi-Dimensional Observational Data; S. Wang, D. Maier, B. Ooi; 2016; VLDB Endow.; DOI:10.14778/3007328.3007334; Corpus ID: 8597509
 

A survey with a section on PH-Tree:
* Spatio-temporal access methods: a survey (2010 – 2017); A. R. Mahmood, S. Punni, W. G. Aref; 2018; GeoInformatica; DOI:10.1007/s10707-018-0329-2; Corpus ID: 106407322


====Non-peer-review “publications”====
* One independent re-implementation of the algorithm: https://github.com/mcxme/phtree
* One re-implementation by a company that hired me as a specialist for the algorithm: https://github.com/improbable-eng/phtree-cpp. This repo also has an independent contributor.


====Summary====
I haven’t looked at all 50 citations, just the most promising ones. So far I’d argue there are at least 9 + 2 = 11 non-trivial citations. Would you agree?
Thoughts?
[[User:TilmannZ|TilmannZ]] ([[User talk:TilmannZ|talk]]) 21:03, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

== Please suggest a program for SampleCode argument of [[Template:Infobox_programming_language]] ==

Hi, I have an idea for replacing "Screenshot argument" to a SampleCode in all instances of the template [[Template:Infobox_programming_language]]. But I need a small program that successfully represent <s>most</s> some of important factors of a programing language such as "Typing discipline", "Scope", and others. Perhaps <s>most</s> some of items existing in the template [[Template:Factors of comparison of programming languages]] should have some representative in this sample program. See {{Factors of comparison of programming languages}}
The program "Hello world" is small enough but it does not have <s>most</s> some of these factors. Can any one suggest a better program? This sample program will then appear in Infobox of articles like "[[Python (programming language)|Python]]", "[[PHP]]", "[[Java (programming language)|Java]]", and etc. after the tag <nowiki><syntaxhighlight></nowiki> is applied to it. It will be used as "SampleCode argument" and will be shown as the second rendering item (after logo) (it might be shown in a mouse hover opening tooltip), to successfully convey an overview of that programming language.  Thanks, [[User:Hooman Mallahzadeh|Hooman Mallahzadeh]] ([[User talk:Hooman Mallahzadeh|talk]]) 13:51, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
:I believe that you will have to settle for sample program that only highlight half a dozen of the features of any given language; otherwise it would get too bulky. How large would be reasonable? --[[User:Chatul|Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul]] ([[User talk:Chatul|talk]]) 21:51, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
::{{ping|Chatul}} Oh, you are right! I had written "most" but most is wrong, the word "some" is true here (much less than half a dozen of the features have a representative). In my opinion even "Hello World" program itself is somehow a good example, because it is small enough. Do you agree with using "Hello World" program for this purpose? Or make it a little more complicated? [[User:Hooman Mallahzadeh|Hooman Mallahzadeh]] ([[User talk:Hooman Mallahzadeh|talk]]) 04:11, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
:::I don't believe that ''Hello World'' is enough to convey the flavor of a language.  I'd like to see examples complex enough to illustrate, e.g., block structure, conditional execution, data definition, exception handling, subroutine definition. --[[User:Chatul|Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul]] ([[User talk:Chatul|talk]]) 15:46, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
:::Computing a [[factorial]] is a commonly used example that does a bit more than a "Hello, world!" - [[User:MrOllie|MrOllie]] ([[User talk:MrOllie|talk]]) 21:08, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

== OCaml but simpler ==

Good evening everyone. I'm from an active member of [[Simple English Wikipedia|one of our sister projects]] and am hoping to get some assistance on an article. At Simple English Wikipedia, we try to present complicated topics in a simpler and easier to understand format for those who may have difficulty understanding articles on the main project. Currently [[:simple:OCaml|OCaml]] is at AFD there and although it will likely be kept, it needs lots of improvement. I know close to nothing about the topic, and while I'm not asking you all to write the article for me, I'm hoping to get some help breaking the [[OCaml|primary article]] down into some key points that show its notability and why it's important. I can assist with the simplification, I just don't know where to start when it comes to the subject matter. Thank you for all your help, [[User:Griffinofwales|Griffinofwales]] ([[User talk:Griffinofwales#top|talk]]) <small><span style="white-space:nowrap; text-shadow:gray 5px 3px 1px;">[[:simple:Main Page|SimpleWP]]</span></small> 20:53, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

: Hi, [[User:Griffinofwales]]! I'm an OCaml enthusiast and would be happy to help with this effort. Could you point towards an exemplary programming language entry on the Simple English Wikipedia? That might help me get a sense for what kind of information to emphasize.
: [[User:Shonfeder|Shonfeder]] ([[User talk:Shonfeder|talk]]) 23:09, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
::I appreciate the response. The project is small (a core active community of about 50) and we don't have many great SMEs in that sector, but our article on [[:simple:Python (programming language)|Python]] is a little more fleshed out than most. [[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]], a bureaucrat at the project (and administrator here) works in the sector and has offered to provide help in the simplification of the article if you can get us started. Thank you again! [[User:Griffinofwales|Griffinofwales]] ([[User talk:Griffinofwales#top|talk]]) <small><span style="white-space:nowrap; text-shadow:gray 5px 3px 1px;">[[:simple:Main Page|SimpleWP]]</span></small> 21:40, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

== Named professorships? ==

There are a lot of computer scientist's pages which list named professorships in the lead -- particularly BLP pages, e.g. [[Jennifer Widom]]. To me, the named professorships read like an academic formality and don't really help in terms of introducing the reader to the person and why they are important. I think they would be appropriate in an accolades/recognition section but I don't see the point in the lead. Is there a general policy here and what do others think? [[User:Caleb Stanford|Caleb Stanford]] ([[User talk:Caleb Stanford|talk]]) 04:06, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

: Re-posted at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Science and academia]]. [[User:Caleb Stanford|Caleb Stanford]] ([[User talk:Caleb Stanford|talk]]) 18:10, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

::In principle, these kinds of university honorifics can be informative, since some are well-known and prestigious, like the [[Waynflete Professorship]]s. Without context, however, these are words quite likely to convey nothing useful to the reader beyond the fact that there is an honorific. In the Widom case you cite, for example, is she one of several who have held the named honour? Without a source, it is hard to distinguish what is substantial from puffery. Even in the accolades section, I'd like to have a source that is a first breadcrumb in the trail to finding how the honorific came to be. &mdash; [[User:Chalst|''Charles Stewart'']] <small>[[User_talk:Chalst|(talk)]]</small> 14:26, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
::'''Postscript''' - Computer science does have documented professorships; e.g., the [https://governance.web.ox.ac.uk/legislation/christopher-strachey-professor-of-computing Christopher Strachey Professor of Computing] has two previous holders and is looking for a third. &mdash; [[User:Chalst|''Charles Stewart'']] <small>[[User_talk:Chalst|(talk)]]</small> 14:32, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

:::Thank you for your comment. It seems there is some disagreement on this; some others felt that named professorships are inherently an honor and useful to include in the lead. Certainly I think it would be useful to add some of this context that you suggest. It's also worth saying that many readers are not familiar with academic conventions and may not understand how to interpret a named professorship. [[User:Caleb Stanford|Caleb Stanford]] ([[User talk:Caleb Stanford|talk]]) 15:16, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

==Mayfly optimization algorithm==
Is the [[Mayfly optimization algorithm]] of encyclopedic importance? I note that the article on it has seemingly been the sole article here of interest to the editor who created it, and that a recent editor has seemed [[Special:Contributions/176.92.171.240|oddly keen]] to draw attention to the subject. All this makes it seem fishy to me, but the subject area isn't one of the few in which I'm competent. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 05:42, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
: It seems suspect to me too. [[User:Bubba73|Bubba73]] <sup>[[User talk:Bubba73|You talkin' to me?]]</sup> 06:31, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
::I would propose this article for deletion if I weren't tired of the bureaucracy. It's valid scholarship, but we cannot maintain an article about each piece of scholarship. It very much looks like self promotion. -- [[User:Quintus V.|Quintus V.]] ([[User talk:Quintus V.|talk]]) 13:29, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

::See [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mayfly optimization algorithm]] if interested. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 03:36, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

== User script to detect unreliable sources ==

{{Main|User:Headbomb/unreliable}}
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to [[WP:URS|unreliable sources]] and [[predatory journal]]s. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the [[Wikipedia:User scripts/Most imported scripts|39th most imported script on Wikipedia]]. The idea is that it takes something like
*John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14. (<code><nowiki>John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.</nowiki></code>)
and turns it into something like
* John Smith "{{highlight|[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]|pink}}" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{tl|cite web}}, {{tl|cite journal}} and {{tl|doi}}.

The script is mostly based on [[WP:RSPSOURCES]], [[WP:NPPSG]] and [[WP:CITEWATCH]] and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is '''not a script to be mindlessly used''', and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at [[User:Headbomb/unreliable]]. Questions, comments and requests can be made at [[User talk:Headbomb/unreliable]].

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== Definition of software interrupt ==

I'm looking for assistance in resolving a dispute on whether signals are interrupts, and also looking for reliable sources that are not behind a paywall, preferably PDFs.

The text in  [[Operating system#Software interrupt]] treats software interrupt as synonymous with signal, which I question, while the text [[Interrupt#Software interrupts]] matches what I have seen. The relevant discussions are in [[Talk:Operating system#Software interrupt?]],
[[Talk:Operating system#Organization of Interrupts]] and [[Talk:Operating system#Software interrupt? (Third Opinion)]].

: [[Signal (IPC)]] says, "Signals are similar to interrupts, the difference being that interrupts are mediated by the CPU and handled by the kernel while signals are mediated by the kernel (possibly via system calls) and handled by individual processes." But I question the word "similar". Nor can I digest the sentence. I believe the UNIX implementation of software interrupts is called ''signal''. The defining feature is signals cause the interruption of the currently running process. [[User:Timhowardriley|Timhowardriley]] ([[User talk:Timhowardriley|talk]]) 20:17, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

: Poking around, I came across this webpage: https://wiki.osdev.org/SYSENTER . It seems that advances in hardware are enabling the sending of messages (signals) without the overhead of software interrupts. The key is the availability of a more complex machine instruction. Instead of executing an instruction like [[INT (x86 instruction)|INT]], the software executes the instruction SYSENTER. However, I would surmise that SYSENTER is executed for only a subset of system calls. [[User:Timhowardriley|Timhowardriley]] ([[User talk:Timhowardriley|talk]]) 01:57, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

: More poking around, I came across the original reason for the invention of signals in UNIX. ''The Design of the UNIX Operating System'' by Bach (1986; page 200) says, "''Signals'' inform processes of the occurrence of asynchronous events." To implement asynchronous event communication, interrupts are required. The reason a process needs to asynchronously communicate to another process is the classic writer/reader problem. The writer has a pipe for its output to be sent to the reader's input stream. You probably do this all the time: <code>foo | bar</code>. <code>foo</code> will write to the pipe when its output is ready and then sleep in the wait queue. <code>bar</code> will then be moved to the ready queue and soon will read from its input stream. No external device participates in this process. Therefore, no hardware interrupt is generated. Instead, the OS will generate software interrupts to coordinate the piping. [[User:Timhowardriley|Timhowardriley]] ([[User talk:Timhowardriley|talk]]) 07:20, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

== Articles on conference series ==

As I am currently AfC-reviewing a page on a physics workshop series, I was looking around the current pages on conference series in computer science (which, given the publication culture here, I thought would be more prominent than for other subjects). I was surprised to see that the majority had no independent sources cited at all, including headline venues such as [[IJCAI]] and [[LICS (conference)|LICS]]. DOes anyone have there any thoughts or ideas on this? [[User:Felix QW|Felix QW]] ([[User talk:Felix QW|talk]]) 09:46, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

: Yeah the state of most of these articles looks pretty bad at the moment. [[Symposium on Theory of Computing|STOC]] and [[Symposium on Foundations of Computer Science|FOCS]] seem a little better than average. A sampling of others is [[Symposium on Principles of Programming Languages|POPL]], [[Programming Language Design and Implementation|PLDI]], [[Symposium on Operating Systems Principles|SOSP]], and [[Computer Aided Verification|CAV]]. Some pages even seem to have been deleted, like [[Operating Systems Design and Implementation|OSDI]]...

: It's honestly probably unrealistic for all these conference wikis to be maintained. Does anyone have thoughts on merging them into list articles? They could also be merged with the parent article for the relevant organizing group or ACM SIG. [[User:Caleb Stanford|Caleb Stanford]] ([[User talk:Caleb Stanford|talk]]) 16:41, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

: Conferences and conference series a bit like journals in that workers in the field think they are obviously important and should be covered in Wikipedia. The problem is that conference series are rarely independently written about as entities, discussing their history, impact, etc., which leads them to being a bad match for WP's policies of independent verification. If a conference has selective peer review, it may be useful to treat it like a journal and investigate if it satisfies [[WP:NJournals]] by being included in selective indices, etc. If there is no secondary sourcing or indexing that can be found, the article is probably going to be put up for deletion at some point. Selectively merging to a parent organization is often a useful alternative to deletion. --<code>&#123;&#123;u&#124;[[User:Mark viking|Mark viking]]&#125;&#125;&nbsp;{[[User talk:Mark viking|Talk]]}</code> 16:47, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
::Yes, I was going to say what Mark viking already said: the importance of these conferences to their fields is not generally reflected in the availability of in-depth, independently and reliably published sourcing about them. Without sources it is very difficult to write an article. Incidentally, see [[List of computer science conferences]] for a fairly comprehensive listing of the ones we have articles on. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 18:02, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

== [[Computational X]] ==

Can someone, with subject-matter knowledge, help evaluate whether the article [[Computational X]] should exist? [[User:Mgnbar|Mgnbar]] ([[User talk:Mgnbar|talk]]) 01:27, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

: I think it should not exist. I see a not-clearly-defined scope, a random assortment of a few fields which have "computational" in the name, and links to articles that are more precise realizations of what might be the core idea ([[big data]], [[informatics]], and [[computational thinking]]). Will list for AfD. [[User:Caleb Stanford|Caleb Stanford]] ([[User talk:Caleb Stanford|talk]]) 19:06, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

: Nominated for [[WP:PROD]]. [[User:Caleb Stanford|Caleb Stanford]] ([[User talk:Caleb Stanford|talk]]) 19:18, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

==  [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|Proposed deletion]] of [[:United States of America Computing Olympiad]] ==
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I don't think I have the time or capacity to work on this, but as somebody who's applied to college for CS in the US in the past 10 years, USACO is definitely notable in the sense that it is a major figure in the lives of high schoolers trying to get into a good college. I'm sure sources could be found. Surprised this is up for deletion, but I hope my vote against it is worth something. [[User:A40585|A40585]] ([[User talk:A40585|talk]]) 02:28, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

== Curating the top-importance list ==

I've been doing some work to curate the list at [[:Category:Top-importance Computer science articles]] and welcome any participation and feedback! Pinging {{user|Kvng}}

The list was in a pretty inconsistent state initially. Notes so far:

* Lots of cryptography articles unnecessarily rated as top I think due to a quirk of [[template:WikiProject Cryptography]], which I think I've fixed now.

* Regarding language articles, [[HTML]], [[CSS]], [[JavaScript]], and [[COBOL]] were included, but I think we should only include these if we also include C, C++, Python, and Java. Currently I'm including none of these based on some pushback at moving the others to top. My hunch is that "high" is correct for all of these.

* In general the list is still pretty theory-biased. We should include a few key systems articles and not unilaterally exclude them -- suggestions for which are welcome. For instance, I nominate [[Embedded system]] for top.

* It may also be useful to reference the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer science/Popular pages|list of most popular CS articles]]. Not sure how much popularity/views factor into importance for computer science specifically.

Obviously, top articles should be those with a strong consensus for such, and I believe that many decisions about what to include are likely to get political (i.e., which fields of computer science are important or not), so I'll try not to get too invested in any particular inclusion. [[User:Caleb Stanford|Caleb Stanford]] ([[User talk:Caleb Stanford|talk]]) 19:43, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
:Thanks for this. I demoted [[Dining philosophers problem]], [[Cellular automaton]], and [[Lambda calculus]]. I still see a couple of articles listed that may be top for crypto but not CS (e.g. [[Transport Layer Security]]). Embedded system seems like a fine choice for top (in my department it's one of the major faculty research groupings). Another candidate that I think is currently much lower prioritized than it should be is [[middleware]] (currently low for computing, not even listed for computer science). —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 19:51, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
:I try not to quibble about importance or quality assessments that are one bracket away from where I'd place them but I have not exactly stuck to that for this round of assessments. Sorry about that but I hope the discussion gets us on the same page. I don't see a description of the importance categories on this wikiproject so I assume we're using the ones at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Computing/Assessment#Importance]].
:[[Programming language]] is and should be Top importance. Individual programming languages may be ''popular'' but are any actually ''essential''? I would be inclined to rate them at High or below.
:I question a Top rating for [[Embedded system]] because I see it as an computer engineering topic, not so much of a computer science one so Top for Computing, High for Computer science. I seem to have an inclination to only give a Top rating to one wikiproject on each article but maybe that's misguided. ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 20:29, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

:: I would personally vote for top for [[Embedded system]] and [[lambda calculus]]. [[User:Caleb Stanford|Caleb Stanford]] ([[User talk:Caleb Stanford|talk]]) 18:22, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
:::I changed [[Embedded system]] to Top for this project as that is acceptable to me and seems to be the rough consensus. ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 15:10, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
::::Thanks! I just changed it (in case you forgot). [[User:Caleb Stanford|Caleb Stanford]] ([[User talk:Caleb Stanford|talk]]) 16:08, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
:::::Yes, I must have gotten interrupted and then forgotten. Thanks! ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 15:57, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

==[[Draft:Martin Hamilton]]==
Hello, WikiProject,

I just delayed deletion of this stale draft for another 6 months. I have no knowledge of the history of computer science but I think this person might be considered notable enough to be included in Wikipedia. I don't think it would take a lot to improve this draft to get it approved but the page creator has been gone for over a year so it is unlikely that they will be spending any more time on it. So, I thought I'd bring it here in case a WikiProject member was inspired to take it on and get it improved enough for main space. Thank you for considering my request. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 02:56, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

:I don't see anything in the draft that screams ''notable''. I haven't reviewed the sources but {{u|Nightenbelle}} has and found them lacking. ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 14:47, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

== Weak supervision ==

There's a long-standing merge proposal between [[Weak supervision]] and [[Semi-supervised learning]] that could do with some expert views at [[Talk:Semi-supervised learning]]. I work on merges, but am not a subject expert; so, some help at that talk page would be appreciated. [[User:Klbrain|Klbrain]] ([[User talk:Klbrain|talk]]) 08:18, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

== Formatting function names ==

I’m working on harmonizing and cleaning up the C standard library articles, and noticed a stylistic inconsistency for which I’d like broader input before changing. For standard functions like malloc, it’s customary to display them in monospace font (at least when talking about it as a specific function, rather than, say, memory allocation as a whole), and this is usually done with code tags, but I find them unsightly in inline text. I think it looks nicer with {{tl|mono}}. Compare the following:

<blockquote>
In [[computing]], '''<code>mmap(2)</code>''' is a [[POSIX]]-compliant [[Unix]] [[system call]] that maps files or devices into memory. When no longer in use, memory-mapped pointers should be unmapped with <code>munmap(2)</code>. Some <code>[[malloc]]</code> implementations use <code>mmap</code> internally.

In [[computing]], '''mmap(2)''' is a [[POSIX]]-compliant [[Unix]] [[system call]] that maps files or devices into memory. When no longer in use, memory-mapped pointers should be unmapped with munmap(2). Some [[malloc]] implementations use mmap internally.

In [[computing]], '''{{mono|mmap(2)}}''' is a [[POSIX]]-compliant [[Unix]] [[system call]] that maps files or devices into memory. When no longer in use, memory-mapped pointers should be unmapped with {{mono|munmap(2)}}. Some {{mono|[[malloc]]}} implementations use {{mono|mmap}} internally.
</blockquote>

There’s of course an argument for (2)—not treating functions any differently than other nouns, considering the monospacing is somewhat of a specialist style—but I think (3) is cleanest and easiest to read, by how it unobtrusively differentiates from prose. Thoughts? [[User:Ovinus|Ovinus]] ([[User talk:Ovinus|talk]]) 16:32, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

:Consistency is probably the most important consideration. Consistency within an article is paramount. Consistency between articles, less so. So my suggestion would be to choose <nowiki><code></nowiki> or {{tl|mono}} in the lead dependent on what's already used elsewhere in the article. Be aware that a campaign to create consistency between articles has the potential to be mildly controversial (e.g. [[WP:ENGVAR]]), but I agree that the third option looks the cleanest. ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 14:21, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

== AOZ Studio ==

I also posted a message on the WikiProject Computing page.  I received a message saying that my draft page about AOZ Studio should qualify for this area, however, the page was rejected twice. Also, I have a conflict of interest, in that I have done work for AOZ Studio in the past, and still volunteer for them now. Perhaps someone else could attempt to work on this? FYI, AOZ is a modern version of the AMOS BASIC programming language. Here's the draft page:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:AOZ_Studio ...although Wikipedia recommended starting over from scratch.

Here are some background reference articles:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMOS_(programming_language), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/François_Lionet [[User:Ising4jesus|Ising4jesus]] ([[User talk:Ising4jesus|talk]]) 23:50, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

== Good article reassessment for [[Python (programming language)]] ==
[[Python (programming language)]] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the [[Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Python (programming language)/1|reassessment page]]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|~~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:46, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

== Project-independent quality assessments ==

See [[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Project-independent quality assessments]]. This proposes support for quality assessment at the article level, recorded in {{tl|WikiProject banner shell}}, and inherited by the wikiproject banners. However, wikiprojects that prefer to use custom approaches to quality assessment can continue to do so. [[User:Aymatth2|Aymatth2]] ([[User talk:Aymatth2|talk]]) 20:27, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

== Articles related to tensors in machine learning ==

We now have several articles dealing with tensors in statistical computing and machine learning &mdash; both theory ([[Multiway data analysis]], [[Multilinear subspace learning]], [[Tensor (machine learning)]], [[Tensor decomposition]]) and specific technologies ([[PyTorch]], [[TensorFlow]]). Some of these articles were made recently and have just a few contributors. I thought I'd mention them here, in case there was broader interest in editing around this topic. [[User:Mgnbar|Mgnbar]] ([[User talk:Mgnbar|talk]]) 08:07, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

== AfC Review of [[Draft:Confidential computing]] ==

Hi,

I worked on an article about Confidential Computing. Tried to make it as objective and well-referenced as possible. Seeking review and suggestions. Note, I'm affiliated with a related non-profit industry group and will abide by all rules regarding conflicts. All help appreciated. Thanks! -[[User:HudsonAttests|HudsonAttests]] ([[User talk:HudsonAttests|talk]]) 20:59, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

== Project-independent quality assessments ==

Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at [[Wikipedia:Content assessment]], but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent [[WP:Village pump (proposals)/Archive_198#Project-independent_quality_assessments|Village pump proposal]] was approved and has been implemented to add a {{para|class}} parameter to {{tl|WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{tl|WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{tl|WPBannerMeta}} a new {{para|QUALITY_CRITERIA|custom}} parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. [[User:Aymatth2|Aymatth2]] ([[User talk:Aymatth2|talk]]) 13:45, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

:Thanks -- concretely, does this mean we should replace
:<syntaxhighlight lang=Wikipedia>
:{{WikiProject banner shell|collapsed=yes|1=
:{{WikiProject Computer science |importance=high |class=GA}}
:{{WikiProject Computing |importance=high |class=GA |software=yes}}
:}}
:</syntaxhighlight>
:with
:<syntaxhighlight lang=Wikipedia>
:{{WikiProject banner shell|collapsed=yes|class=GA|1=
:{{WikiProject Computer science |importance=high }}
:{{WikiProject Computing |importance=high |software=yes}}
:}}
:</syntaxhighlight>
:?
:Or will this be done automatically by bots?
:[[User:Caleb Stanford|Caleb Stanford]] ([[User talk:Caleb Stanford|talk]]) 19:44, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

== [[Draft:Neural Radiance Fields]] ==
I saw there is a draft for [[Draft:Neural Radiance Fields|Neural Radiance Fields]]. It may be of interest to members of this project. [[User:Thriley|Thriley]] ([[User talk:Thriley|talk]]) 16:24, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

== AfC Review of  [[Draft:Kenneth L. McMillan]] ==

Hi, 

I recently worked on an article draft about Ken McMillan, the computer scientist ([[Draft:Kenneth L. McMillan]]). I contributed the article because I noticed there is a German Wikipedia page about him (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_L._McMillan) and McMillan's name has been referenced in several related Wikipedia articles (e.g., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Kanellakis_Award, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javier_Esparza). Help for improving the draft and reviewing would be much appreciated, thanks! [[Special:Contributions/2601:48:4300:580:597B:D8B6:B6F8:647A|2601:48:4300:580:597B:D8B6:B6F8:647A]] ([[User talk:2601:48:4300:580:597B:D8B6:B6F8:647A|talk]]) 16:02, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

:Moved to mainspace; please notify me if any objections. [[User:Caleb Stanford|Caleb Stanford]] ([[User talk:Caleb Stanford|talk]]) 03:27, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

== Review of [[Draft:Bull Gamma 3]] ==
Hello, [[User:Paper9oll]] reviewed this article about the Bull Gamma 3 vacuum tube computer (1952), and mentioned some sentences were not sourced. They were, in fact, as the references were targeting several sentences and not just the last one. After a talk with him he let me know he would let someone else review it.

This article is translated from the [[:fr:Bull_Gamma_3|French version]] which was accepted last year. I added several more external references and technical complements in this new version.

Could someone have a look?
[[User:Damien.b|Damien.b]] ([[User talk:Damien.b|talk]]) 11:19, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

:{{done}}. Nice work! ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 13:38, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
::Thank you for your review, @[[User:Kvng|Kvng]].
::Judging from the list of [[List of vacuum-tube computers|early vacuum tubes computers]], the Gamma 3 also seems to have been the world first mass produced computer, however this title seems to be attributed to the IBM 650, released two years later.
::One reason could be a lack of knowledge about the Gamma 3, or a restrictive definition of a computer (stored program computer).
::This would be a fairly important fact in regards to computing history, so I propose to include this paragraph in the article, while keeping the title to the IBM 650.
::"Released in 1952 and produced in approximately 1,200 units, the Gamma 3 was the first mass-produced electronic digital computer. However, it only became a stored program computer in 1955 with the release of the A.E.T extension, leaving the title of the first electronic, digital, stored program computer to the IBM 650 (1954)."
::Any thought?
::[[User:Damien.b|Damien.b]] ([[User talk:Damien.b|talk]]) 22:22, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
:::Find a source that backs this up otherwise it is [[WP:OR]]. If other [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] indicate IBM 650 was first, this also should be mentioned. ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 13:50, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

== DuckDB ==

Is DuckDB encyclopaedic and should it have its own article? User JalenFolf keeps on deleting the page content and replaces it with a redirect to a generic list of databases. See [[Special:History/DuckDB]].

[[Special:Contributions/151.37.202.217|151.37.202.217]] ([[User talk:151.37.202.217|talk]]) 17:37, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

:There must be evidence of [[WP:N|notability]]. Two potentially [[WP:INDEPENDENT]] sources are included with the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=DuckDB&oldid=1167449034 proposed article]: [https://www.cwi.nl/en/research-groups/database-architectures/], [https://hackernoon.com/what-the-heck-is-duckdb]. The first is a dead link. Neither appear to be particularly [[WP:RELIABLE]]. Is there any better coverage available? ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 13:22, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

== Too many data stream articles ==

We currently have way too many articles for data streams: [[data stream]], [[streaming data]], [[stream (computing)]], [[bitstream]], and [[stream (abstract data type)]]. Most of these are relatively short and of somewhat mediocre or stub quality at the moment. I think we should merge into at most 2 articles, maybe the following:

- [[Data stream]] with redirects from [[streaming data]], [[bitstream]] (to a subsection) and [[stream (computing)]]

- [[Stream (abstract data type)]] possibly with a redirect from [[stream (computer science)]] and expanded to be a little less focused on the coinductive functional programming definition

Any objections or comments before I go through with these changes? Thanks, [[User:Caleb Stanford|Caleb Stanford]] ([[User talk:Caleb Stanford|talk]]) 16:56, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

:Three of these are on distinct, well-defined topics and should not be merged or mixed up with each other:
:*[[Data stream]] is about a medium for communication between processes.
:*[[Streaming data]] is about a type of data used as input to a [[streaming algorithm]]. (Those two articles are closely related but streaming data focuses much more on applications and streaming algorithm focuses much more on theory so a merge between the two would be awkward. Also the link in streaming algorithm to data stream should go to streaming data instead.)
:*[[Stream (abstract data type)]] is about an abstract data type used internally within functional programs.
:That leaves [[Stream (computing)]], which is something of an overview of these and other various related topics, and [[bitstream]], which combines some of that overview material with a paragraph on the mathematics of infinite sequences of bits. So it might make sense to merge bitstream into [[Stream (computing)]], and edit the result to make their overview function more clear, but not to merge any of the others. In addition, some of the incoming links to [[bitstream]] and [[bytestream]] (currently a redirect to bitstream), such as the one for [[Reliable byte stream]], appear to really be about internet communication, and should go to [[data stream]] instead. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 17:34, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
:Also there's [[Streaming media]].
:I would tend to align with {{u|Caleb Stanford}}'s proposal. {{u|David Eppstein}} is right that these closely related topics can be distinguished but I think it could better serve readers to do the distinguishing in one normal size article rather then ask them to navigate a mesh of small articles. ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 18:38, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
::I don't think that would give us an article on a single topic. See [[WP:NOTDICT]]: we have articles on topics, not on words. We don't merge [[Stream (film)]] and [[The Stream (film)]] merely because they are both films and the similarity of their titles is confusing. We shouldn't merge the very different topics of functional programming data structures, streaming algorithm design, and stream-based internet communication protocols, merely for the reason that their subfields chose the same keyword to describe those topics. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 19:00, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
:::I agree [[streaming algorithm]] is substantively different. Also, the current intro to [[streaming data]] overemphasizes the distributed and heterogeneous aspects. While these usages in different subfields are different, they are related, and not accidental -- all deal with data that is processed in one pass and represents an unbounded or infinite sequence (this is true even for [[stream (abstract data type)]]). [[User:Caleb Stanford|Caleb Stanford]] ([[User talk:Caleb Stanford|talk]]) 00:07, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

== Requested move at [[Talk:Point location#Requested move 14 August 2023]] ==
[[File:Information.svg|30px|left]] There is a requested move discussion at [[Talk:Point location#Requested move 14 August 2023]] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. [[User:ModernDayTrilobite|ModernDayTrilobite]] ([[User talk:ModernDayTrilobite|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ModernDayTrilobite|contribs]]) 16:06, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

== Requested move at Talk:Hot-potato and cold-potato routing#Requested move 29 August 2023 ==
[[File:Information.svg|30px|left]] There is a requested move discussion at [[Talk:Hot-potato and cold-potato routing#Requested move 29 August 2023]] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —usernamekiran [[User talk:usernamekiran|(talk)]] 04:10, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

== [[Global serializability]] ==

This article has significant long-standing quality issues. An [[WP:Articles_for_deletion/Commitment_ordering|AfD nomination]] in 2011 resolved keep but noted those issues, and there has not been significant revision since. I think the topic is [[WP:NOTABLE]], but it might be better as a stub. Would welcome others' thoughts on [[Talk:Global serializability#Change_from_B-class_to_C-class|the talk page]]. Will [[WP:be bold]] if I don't hear any contrary opinions. '''[[User:Mjec|mjec]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Mjec|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mjec|c]])</sup> 04:40, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

== Do y'all think [[Cross-site leaks]] has a chance at a [[WP:GA|GA]] ? ==

Hey, I recently (read "a while ago finished") reworked the [[Cross-site leaks]] article to a significant extent adding a bunch of context regarding the history of the attack and currently available defences. Do you y'all think the article has a chance of passing a Good article review in it's current state ? If not is there how should I should improve on so that it can pass a Good article review ? (My theoretical plan is to work towards making the article a Good article and hopefully a FA eventually once the DYK process is over). (Cross-posting over from teahouse per feedback)[[User:Sohom Datta|Sohom]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|talk]]) 22:21, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

:I've updated the assessment to B class so next step is [[WP:GA]]. It appears to be well sourced. In GA review, you get dinged for having sources in the lead. I haven't reviewed the content carefully. ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 19:58, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
::I will try and restructure the prose over the week to eliminate references in the lede, most of the data should be cited later in the article, except for the part that talks about the impact. [[User:Sohom Datta|Sohom]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|talk]]) 08:39, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

== [[V (programming language)]] ==

Someone may want to take a second look at [[V (programming language)]]. Though I do suspect some level of notability, many of the sources are blog posts, etc. and the editor may have a close connection with the subject. I don't know if high quality sources are even available. I did a substantial amount of cleanup so far, more eyes/opinions would be welcome. [[User:Caleb Stanford|Caleb Stanford]] ([[User talk:Caleb Stanford|talk]]) 15:16, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:Caleb Stanford|Caleb Stanford]] I have replied on the talk page, I would agree with your rewrite in most places, the sourcing issue can probably be remedied by using the independently written books as sourcing. I do find your allegations of COI to be unfound though unless you can provide off-wiki evidence to the contrary of the user being involved in the development of the said language -- [[User:Sohom Datta|Sohom]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|talk]]) 08:46, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
::Agreed and I retract that claim. Thank you for the edit. [[User:Caleb Stanford|Caleb Stanford]] ([[User talk:Caleb Stanford|talk]]) 17:28, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
:: Almost every time I encounter an article of uncertain notability in which the first sentence of the article mentions the creator, there is a COI editor behind it, because what better way to get your name in lights than to put it in the very first sentence of the article? Otherwise it is bad form--the creator rarely so important to a programming language that they must be in the first sentence of a substantial article. So I would have shared Caleb's suspicion. Thanks for pointing out that this is a rare counterexample. --<code>&#123;&#123;u&#124;[[User:Mark viking|Mark viking]]&#125;&#125;&nbsp;{[[User talk:Mark viking|Talk]]}</code> 17:50, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

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== Split request at [[Explainable artificial intelligence]] ==

It has been proposed to split [[Explainable artificial intelligence]] into [[Explainable artificial intelligence]] and some variant of [[Interpretable artificial intelligence]]. There has been discussion, but it is so far inconclusive and the discussion has been stale for 10 weeks. As this is likely to be of interest to members of this WikiProject, participation is solicited [[Talk:Explainable artificial intelligence|here]]. [[User:Felix QW|Felix QW]] ([[User talk:Felix QW|talk]]) 15:04, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

:Soft oppose. Wrote a comment on the discussion page. [[User:Caleb Stanford|Caleb Stanford]] ([[User talk:Caleb Stanford|talk]]) 16:58, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

== [[Draft:Odin_(programming_language)]] ==

Hi, I've updated this draft article that was previously rejected about Odin programming language: [[Draft:Odin (programming language)]]

I've added additional sources that don't go to the language's own website and cleaned the article up, so it reads better.

I hope it is a good contribution to this wikiproject! [[User:Karl.zylinski|Karl.zylinski]] ([[User talk:Karl.zylinski|talk]]) 14:06, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

:This draft has already been rejected, which means that it won't be considered again. I'm afraid you have been wasting your time. [[User:MrOllie|MrOllie]] ([[User talk:MrOllie|talk]]) 14:20, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
::I'm a bit confused by this. If a draft gets rejected, with reasonable feedback for how to improve it, and I make those improvements (could mean a substantial part of the article is completely changed!), then it won't be considered again? So if I make a lot of changes to a draft in order to get it accepted, then it's better to copy the whole draft to a new new draft, loosing the edit history?
::What also confuses me is that, since this article draft got rejected, it has been re-reviewed several times (and rightfully rejected again), but it does seem like re-reviews happen. [[User:Karl.zylinski|Karl.zylinski]] ([[User talk:Karl.zylinski|talk]]) 14:57, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Drafters get a few chances, in those cases the draft is 'declined' rather than 'rejected'. At some point it becomes clear that no version of the draft could be approved - in this case that is because the required sourcing isn't there to support Wikipedia's minimum requirements for inclusion (as given in [[WP:N]]). You'll have to wait a few years, and if people start publishing books and peer-reviewed journal articles about it have another go then. Don't copy the draft to a new title, that will not help. [[User:MrOllie|MrOllie]] ([[User talk:MrOllie|talk]]) 15:18, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

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== Doubly logarithmic tree ==

The lemma [[Doubly logarithmic tree]] is an [[Wikipedia:Orphan|orphan]] for ten years now. No other lemma refers to it. This means something is seriously wrong. Could someone please have a look? Should it be part of the template on [[Tree (data structure)|tree data structures]]? [[User:Ruud Buitelaar|Ruud Buitelaar]] ([[User talk:Ruud Buitelaar|talk]]) 02:28, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

:It's not really a data structure. It appears to be used only to describe the structure of a specific parallel algorithm: [[All nearest smaller values#Parallel algorithms]]. Maybe it should be merged there, since it does not appear to be independently notable? —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 23:52, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

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== Rename [[Associative array]] -> [[Dictionary (abstract data type)]] ==

(Not an experienced editor, if this is the wrong place/if you have advice let me know!) In 2022, there was a [[Talk:Associative array#Requested move 26 January 2022|request to move]] the article [[Associative array]] to [[Dictionary (data type)]]. (Also see the previous sections on the talk page.)

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There is quite a bit of discussion here, but nothing resembling consensus for any particular move -- and the discussion is too broad for a re-list to solve this.  This should be discussed on a WikiProject before there is a re-nomination, but no prejudice against a re-nomination in March.  [[User:力]] (powera, [[User talk:力|π]], [[Special:Contributions/力|ν]]) 23:46, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
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I'd like to start said discussion. The 2022 renamings involved other things; I just want to focus on Associative array. This is important because a map/dictionary is not an array; for instance, while the PHP associative array is ordered, while general map/dictionaries are frequently unordered. In functional languages, a map may not even have an underlying Array/List, but is frequently a tree. 

The obvious question is that this datatype has 2 common names: Map and Dictionary. Both are, in my view, better than the current, and I'd be happy to see it changed to either. To propose one (just to get the ball rolling), I'd like to suggest renaming [[Associative array]] → [[Dictionary (abstract data type)]] and [[Comparison of programming languages (associative array)]] → [[Comparison of programming languages (dictionary)]]. The {{tq|(abstract data type)}} is in keeping with most other [[Abstract_data_type#Common_ADTs|data types]] articles:
* [[:Set (abstract data type)]]
* [[:Stack (abstract data type)]]
* [[:Queue (abstract data type)]]

([[:Tree (data structure)]] and [[Array (data type)]] are the exceptions to this pattern.)

My argument for changing Associative Array:
* Popularity. [https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&q=python%20dictionary,associative%20array,hashmap&hl=en Dictionary and Map are both more popular searches.] (Using "python dictionary" and "HashMap" to underestimate their popularity and exclude the normal uses of the words.) StackOverflow has [https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/associative-array 3,200 questions tagged associative-array] and [https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/dictionary 85,949 questions tagged dictionary] (of which "map" is an alias).
* The aforementioned accuracy issue. Arrays are ordered, while maps (AWK & Bash's associative arrays included) are frequently not.
* "Associative arrays" seem most common in languages where the map and list/array data types are collapsed into one object (e.g. AWK and PHP), where {0 =>"cat", 1=>"dog"} is the representation of ["cat", "dog"].

Briefly, considerations of Map (again, I like both.):
* + Used in many more languages (C++, Java, JS, Go, Rust, etc) and immediately connected with [[Hash map]] etc.
* + In keeping with [[Map (mathematics)]] (though a mathematics mapping would also include, eg, any pure function)
* - Ambiguous with [[Map (higher-order function)]]

The arguments for/against Dictionary:
* + Unambiguous (though the article disambiguates it with [[Data dictionary]], which I don't think I've ever seen used.)
* + Consensus as the less-ambiguous term. [https://xlinux.nist.gov/dads/ NIST Dictionary of Algorithms and Data Structures] uses dictionary (though I wouldn't hold it up as a source of good unambiguous definitions). [https://stackoverflow.com/tags/dictionary/info StackOverflow uses] dictionary to refer to the common term ([https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/296485/is-map-synonym-of-dictionary-really-a-good-idea though as of 2015 there was some disagreement about that]).

("Association table"/"Symbol table" is potentially a 3rd alternative that appears in some algorithms textbooks, but I'm not fond of it.)

[[User:KenyonP|KenyonP]] ([[User talk:KenyonP|talk]]) 06:46, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

:I created [[Talk:Associative_array#Renaming_discussion_on_WikiProject_Computer_science|a topic on Talk:Associative_array]] mentioning this. Question of wiki etiquette: Would it be polite/appropriate to ping the people who participated in that discussion(s) (and if so, is there a bulk-notify template?) [[User:KenyonP|KenyonP]] ([[User talk:KenyonP|talk]]) 06:57, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
::This topic has many names, as our article makes clear. The one I typically use is "dictionary", but that may be out of familiarity with Python. That said, [[WP:NCDAB]] appears relevant: "{{tq|When there is another term (such as Apartment instead of Flat) or more complete name (such as English language instead of English) that is unambiguous, commonly used in English (even without being the most common term), and equally clear, that term is typically the best to use.}}" Here, "dictionary" and "map" are clearly ambiguous, while "associative array" is not. That suggests that we should continue to use it rather than changing to a title that would require disambiguation. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 08:22, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
:::That's a fair point (and I'm happy to go with it if that's what people decide), but I think that "associative array" is sufficiently uncommon and less clear that those priorities might win out. 
:::It's also arguably still ambiguous: [https://xlinux.nist.gov/dads/HTML/assocarray.html NIST's page] says {{tq|If [a linear search of key-value pairs] is too slow, and you access the array by number, too, you must create and maintain an index into the array.  The index is a dictionary, organized by the content, of indexes into the array.}} That seems to indicate some people use "associative array" to mean specifically an array of (key, value) tuples, like [[Association list]]. (I also think the fact that "Association array" is nothing close in meaning to the array-equivalent of "Association list" is a source of confusion.) [[User:KenyonP|KenyonP]] ([[User talk:KenyonP|talk]]) 08:57, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

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As pointed out on the [[Talk:Associative_array#Dictionary:_data_structure_/_data_type_/_abstract_data_type|talk page]], renaming [[Associative array]] to [[Dictionary (...)]] is problematic:

* [[Dictionary (data structure)]] is problematic since there is a possible correlation to <em>implementation</em> structures of the dictionary concept. That is, the term might incorrectly suggest (at least to some computer scientists like [[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]]) that the article is concerned with data structures that <em>implement</em> associative arrays, or even that there is just one such implementation structure.<br><i>Note:</i> The [https://xlinux.nist.gov/dads/HTML/dictionary.html NIST's page] referenced by the article is subtitled "(data structure)".
* [[Dictionary (data type)]] is problematic because the article does not provide a definition (or description) of such a data type so that dictionaries from Python (or JavaScript / Ruby) would be compliant with such a definition.
* [[Dictionary (abstract data type)]] is problematic for similar reasons like [[Dictionary (data type)]]. Moreover, such a term might incorrectly suggest that the article is about a "value domain" where dictionaries are devoid of identity (i.e. distinct dictionaries must represent different maps - in particular, there must be exactly one empty dictionary).
[[User:Hundblue|Hundblue]] ([[User talk:Hundblue|talk]]) 20:07, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

:I'm trying to avoid getting bogged down in the naming of the (...) part by going with existing consensus. A Set feels like the closest analogy, since it's conceptually a Map without keys. In that case, we have [[Set (abstract data type)]], and I think all your concerns about the structure/type/ADT distinction apply there as well, right? (I'm happy to discuss a broader renaming in a separate thread, though.)
:[[User:KenyonP|KenyonP]] ([[User talk:KenyonP|talk]]) 02:38, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

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Yes, you are right, my concerns about the "abstract data type" terminology are applicable to other articles as well. In particular, I have objections against statements of the form
<blockquote>
In computer science, a <b><i>foo</i></b> is an [[abstract data type]] ...
</blockquote>

At present, this is the introductory sentence for the following <b><i>foo</i></b>s: 
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_(abstract_data_type)&oldid=1178592585 list],
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stack_(abstract_data_type)&oldid=1191324068 stack],
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Set_(abstract_data_type)&oldid=1197309864 set],
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Associative_array&oldid=1189181378 associative array],
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graph_(abstract_data_type) graph],
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tree_(data_structure)&oldid=1201036097 tree].
First and foremost, a list (, stack, ...) in computer science is NOT a data type. Instead, it
is an '''instance''' of a data type. This is what the 
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Data_type&oldid=1186841290 Data type] article says at present:
<blockquote>
In [[computer science]] and [[computer programming]], a '''data type''' (or simply '''type''') is [...] usually specified by a set of possible values, a set of allowed operations on these values, and/or a representation of these values [...].
</blockquote>
Is a list (, stack, ...) specified by a set of values plus operations? No, it is just one of the values or a representation of one of the values.

One can point out that the exact term used in the articles' introductory sentence is "<em>abstract</em> data type" rather than just "data type". But this makes things even worse. Quoting from [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Abstract_data_type&oldid=1210082320 Abstract data type]:
<blockquote>
In [[computer science]], an '''abstract data type''' ('''ADT''') is a [[mathematical model]] for [[data type]]s [...]
</blockquote>
This would mean: <i>In computer science, a list (, stack, ...) is a mathematical model for data types</i>. Which sounds nonsensical.
Moreover, the qouted definition of [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Abstract_data_type&oldid=1210082320 Abstract data type] raises doubts about whether an abstract data type is a data type in the first place.

On the whole, the term "abstract data type" is not established enough to provide a suitable base for definition or description of other terms. Until the issues are settled, IMHO, references to ADT should be avoided as much as possible. In this regard, the term [[Associative array]] provides a protection against the ADT mess.

Perhaps the key question about the proposed renaming to [[Dictionary (abstract data type)]] is whether a Python dictionary should be a prominent exemplar of the notion described by the article. If so then ask whether there is an ADT so that Python dictionaries are instances of that ADT.
The description of an ADT as provided by the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Associative_array&oldid=1189181378#Properties #Properties] section has the following issues:

<ol>
<li style="list-style-type:'(1) '">
The description is based on [https://xlinux.nist.gov/dads/HTML/dictionary.html NIST's dictionary] which cannot be regarded as a reliable source.
<li style="list-style-type:'(2) '">
The description lacks input-output signatures of operations. What kind of entity is returned by <code>insert(j,v,D)</code>?
<li style="list-style-type:'(3) '">
It is not clear whether identity of dictionaries is supported. Is <code>new() = new()</code> satisfied? Are there more than one empty dictionaries?
<br>
<i>Note:</i>
In an old version, the
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Associative_array&oldid=1068116286#Properties Properties] section contained an <code>E</code> symbol that denoted "the empty dictionary".
This was later removed in favor of the <code>new</code> operator. 
<li style="list-style-type:'(4) '">
It is not clear whether dictionaries with circularities are supported. In Python (or JavaScript / Ruby) executing <code>x = {}; x["a"] = x</code> results in a circular dictionary. Is such a dictionary an instance of the described ADT?
</ol>

Until these issues are settled the connection between Python dictionaries and ADT should be regarded as not yet established.
[[User:Hundblue|Hundblue]] ([[User talk:Hundblue|talk]]) 16:11, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

:I'm not claiming that a Python dictionary is the exemplar of the map/dictionary. (In particular, Python dictionaries are explicitly order-preserving.) Python is maybe the most notable modern user of 'dictionary' as a term, but other languages/libraries/textbooks use it too. Again, I'm happy with Map as well if it feels more language-agnostic.
:I don't think we should hold off on changing the name because the current one avoids the "(abstract data type)" name--if that's an issue, we should make a new thread and discuss what a proper parenthetical would be and (if supported) apply it to ALL such pages. (Including Associative array.)
:I'd be happy to work on the Properties section, but that's not something I need WikiProject consensus for. [[User:KenyonP|KenyonP]] ([[User talk:KenyonP|talk]]) 22:13, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

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If I understand you correctly, you don't regard a Python dictionary as the exemplar of the notion described by the article. This is surprising. Does it mean you disagree with mentioning Python as one of the languages that support associative arrays? Quoting from the 
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Associative_array&oldid=1189181378#Language_support Language support] section:
<blockquote>
Most modern scripting languages, starting with [[AWK]] and including [[Rexx]], [[Perl]], [[PHP]], [[Tcl]], [[JavaScript]], [[Maple (software)|Maple]], [[Python (programming language)|Python]], [[Ruby (programming language)|Ruby]], [[Wolfram Language]], [[Go (programming language)|Go]], and [[Lua (programming language)|Lua]], support associative arrays as a primary container type. 
</blockquote>

If a Python dictionary is not the exemplar of the article's subject then all my objections to the proposed name change are pointless.
[[User:Hundblue|Hundblue]] ([[User talk:Hundblue|talk]]) 18:43, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

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== Requested move at [[Talk:Neuromorphic engineering#Requested move 24 August 2024]] ==
[[File:Information.svg|30px|left]] There is a requested move discussion at [[Talk:Neuromorphic engineering#Requested move 24 August 2024]] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. [[User:RodRabelo7|RodRabelo7]] ([[User talk:RodRabelo7|talk]]) 01:51, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

== Should permalinks to Compiler Explorer be removed? ==

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:LinkSearch?target=godbolt.org Several articles link to outputs of Compiler Explorer], which are in form <code><nowiki>https://godbolt.org/z/</nowiki>[0-9A-Za-z]+</code>. I think these do not meet the standards at [[WP:EL]], especially the bare ones. It is an unaffiliated tool. They can also desynchronize with the code sample in the article. Also, could the uses of it to demonstrate a particular behavior or compilers be considered [[Wikipedia:OR]]? [[User:Naruyoko|Naruyoko]] ([[User talk:Naruyoko|talk]]) 23:30, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

:I think the use of it as a reference for claims like "since some compilers hardcode symbols such as malloc and free" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Loop_fission_and_fusion&oldid=1177434205] is indeed OR. Also, its use as an inline link on statements like "the code below may be explored interactively here" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Virtual_inheritance&oldid=1239860234] clearly violates [[WP:ELBODY]]. Its inclusion in [[Comparison of online source code playgrounds]] may be ok, but the other article-space links all look dubious to me. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 23:50, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::Maybe we should create a template that just shows what is in the godbolt links ? [[User:Sohom Datta|<b class="skin-invert" style="color:#795cb2;">Sohom</b>]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|<span class="skin-invert" style="color: #36c;">talk</span>]]) 01:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
:::What is the point of creating a template to link to a site that we mostly should not link to? Or did you mean, a way to format assembly code without using that site at all? I thought we already had that and it would not solve the problems identified above. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 04:26, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
::::I meant the latter. I think displaying the disassembled asm beside the compiled source code will/might make understanding our prose in certain computing topics easier especially for peeps without intricate knowledge of compilers. The spirit of [[WP:ELBODY]] is to prevent spam links, godbolt is the farthest thing from spam, it's a open-source educational resource/sandbox. If we can't directly link to their output (per the guidelines), creating a template to showcase the expected output (show the code and the asm code side-by-side) would be the next best thing. [[User:Sohom Datta|<b class="skin-invert" style="color:#795cb2;">Sohom</b>]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|<span class="skin-invert" style="color: #36c;">talk</span>]]) 04:39, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

== Good article reassessment for [[15.ai]] ==
[[15.ai]] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the [[Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/15.ai/1|reassessment page]]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:59, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

== Requested move at [[Talk:Identity management#Requested move 12 November 2024]] ==
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==[[:Category:Virtual reality pioneers]] has been nominated for discussion==

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