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==Draft-class==
In the previous thread there is talk of making an SIA row in the tables and an issue has been opened for it in Github. I would like a Draft-Class row created in the tables by default. I know that it can be added manually to projects, so that drafts are not submerged under "Other". But I would prefer it to happen by default. In projects I have looked at, most of the "Other" category consists of drafts, so it makes sense to separate them out. Would it be acceptable for me to open an issue in Github for this idea? [[User:Nurg|Nurg]] ([[User talk:Nurg|talk]]) 09:29, 12 October 2025 (UTC)

:Can you give an example of what you mean? I don't think this is a 1.0 bot issue; if you have articles in e.g. [[:Category:Draft-Class video game pages]] then a row shows up in the table. It sounds like you're saying that there's project(s) that don't categorize drafts into Draft-class, but the 1.0 bot can't control that. --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 12:31, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
::Example: At [[User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Oceans]] there are currently 29 pages in a row labelled "Other", all of which are in Draft space. It would be better if they were in a row labelled "Draft", similar to [[User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/New Zealand]]. The NZ table is as it is because "extra1-title=Draft-Class" and related lines were manually added to the parameters at [[:Category:New Zealand articles by quality]]. A similar manual change could be done for Oceans and all other projects, but I'm wondering whether the same effect could happen for all projects by default. But I don't know how all this works and whether this is a WP 1.0 bot matter or not, so, info welcome. [[User:Nurg|Nurg]] ([[User talk:Nurg|talk]]) 21:50, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes you've got it completely right. It's up to the WikiProject maintainers to indicate that their project uses Draft-Class articles. Same thing with A-Class, because not every project uses it. [[User:Audiodude|audiodude]] ([[User talk:Audiodude|talk]]) 21:52, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
:::: I don't understand your reply. A-Class and Draft-Class do not seem to appear in the tables by the same mechanism. Drafts require 'extra1-title' parameters, but an A-Class row seems to appear by default. [[User:Nurg|Nurg]] ([[User talk:Nurg|talk]]) 23:06, 14 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::When you say "by default" you mean "if the project has an A-Class Foobar articles by quality category", right? That might be the case yes, but not all projects have that category. I would have to brush up on the code for how these are included before trying to add an SIA row. [[User:Audiodude|audiodude]] ([[User talk:Audiodude|talk]]) 23:12, 14 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::Yes, I think that's what I mean. So, with the Project/Oceans example, [[:Category:Draft-Class Oceans pages]] exists and is populated, but no 'Draft' row appears in the table – the draft articles just get relegated to 'Other'. [[User:Nurg|Nurg]] ([[User talk:Nurg|talk]]) 23:37, 14 October 2025 (UTC)

== WikiProject Watches ==

The [[Template:WikiProject Watches|talk page template]] for [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Watches|WikiProject Watches]] has been marked as inactive. This meant that its assessment categories were no longer being filled, and as such have all been deleted:
* [[:Category:WikiProject Watches articles]]
* [[:Category:Watches articles by quality]]
* [[:Category:GA-Class Watches articles]]
* [[:Category:B-Class Watches articles]]
* [[:Category:C-Class Watches articles]]
* ... and so on

It's statistics are still available though, and it's able to be updated with the bot
* [[Special:History/Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Watches articles by quality log]]
* [[Special:History/User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Watches]]
* https://wp1.openzim.org/#/project/Watches)
{{User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Watches}}

How is this possible without the assessment categories being in place? [[User:Aluxosm|Aluxosm]] ([[User talk:Aluxosm|talk]]) 23:18, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

:It looks like the categories were deleted on October 18, but the last update to that table was on September 23. So what's the incongruency? If you're talking about manual updates through https://wp1.openzim.org/#/update it might just be that the updater starts, sees that there are no categories and nothing to be done, and then immediately completes.
:There is nothing that deletes WikiProjects from the bot's database or website, even when the relevant categories have been deleted, so you will continue to see ''Watches'' listed there.
:Hope this helps! [[User:Audiodude|audiodude]] ([[User talk:Audiodude|talk]]) 00:00, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
::Ooh that does indeed! I didn't realise that projects aren't de-listed when their categories disappear. My confusion must have come from when the categories were emptied and the bot was run before they were deleted; this would explain things like these: https://wp1.openzim.org/#/project/Alien and https://wp1.openzim.org/#/project/Pipe%20organ/ where their logs were are full of "removals" (see [[Special:PermanentLink/1229079440|here]] and [[Special:PermanentLink/1262369769|here]] respectively). Thanks for the info. [[User:Aluxosm|Aluxosm]] ([[User talk:Aluxosm|talk]]) 00:50, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

== Template:Release version parameters ==

Is the {{tl|Release version parameters}} template still being used by anything?
I'm currently working on [[User:Aluxosm/WikiProject catalyst|WikiProject catalyst]], a tool with a similar goal to [[Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Generate categories]], and want to know if the template is something that needs adding to the categories made by it. Cheers, [[User:Aluxosm|Aluxosm]] ([[User talk:Aluxosm|talk]]) 23:25, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

== WikiProject Forestry ==

Sorry, having trouble setting up the stats for this project. Also, an editor is speedy-deleting the needed categories... I'd really appreciate it if you could set up and run the bot so we know the system is up and running. [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Forestry/Assessment]] contains the code 

<nowiki><div style="float: right; margin-left: 1em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; ">{{Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Forestry articles by quality statistics}}</div></nowiki> 

which should presumably populate [[Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Forestry articles by quality statistics]] but the file contains no data (I put a message in there to slow down the speedy deletionist). 

All help gratefully received. [[User:Chiswick Chap|Chiswick Chap]] ([[User talk:Chiswick Chap|talk]]) 09:27, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

:I just ran the bot manually rather than wait for the nightly run, and it updated [[User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Forestry]], which is where it actually updates; your "Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Forestry articles by quality statistics" page was blank, but checking the page history it needs a link to that 1.0 bot page to be useful. I've updated it for you.
:Something weird is going on with the categories, though- [[:Category:FL-Class Forestry articles]] is empty, but [[Talk:List of inventoried conifers in the United States]] says that it's in that category? {{tl|WikiProject Forestry}} itself says its on 3200 pages, but only 50 are in the categories. Very strange, but unrelated to the 1.0 bot. --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 13:39, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
:: Thank you very much for doing that: now we at least have populated categories, and a correctly-structured table. I'm sorry to trouble you again straight away, but as you say the situation looks weird. For instance, the bot has managed to include one tree article I brought to GA, [[Spruce]], but not some others, such as [[Pine]], also at GA. I can't see any difference in how I configured these articles, they are similar in construction. Could the bot run have been limited to some number (50?) in some way with a default configuration parameter or something? I really don't know my way around the bot system so I'm at a bit of a disadvantage. [[User:Chiswick Chap|Chiswick Chap]] ([[User talk:Chiswick Chap|talk]]) 18:29, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
:::This has now doubled to 108 articles (out of 3200). Progress, but why not all of them? [[User:Chiswick Chap|Chiswick Chap]] ([[User talk:Chiswick Chap|talk]]) 10:44, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
::::It's not the bot, Wikipedia isn't populating the categories. The bot output matches what shows up in e.g. [[:Category:GA-Class Forestry articles]], it's just that your articles are only slowly showing up there. I think it's just slow to update; I just made a junk edit to [[Talk:List of inventoried conifers in the United States]] to see what would happen and it ''immediately'' popped up in the category. I don't know enough about how the software handles categories to tell you what to do to fix it faster (other than editing 3100 talk pages...); maybe ask at [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)]]? --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 14:42, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
:::::Thank you very much for investigating. It sounds as if it may slowly sort itself out. [[User:Chiswick Chap|Chiswick Chap]] ([[User talk:Chiswick Chap|talk]]) 14:49, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
::The issue here is that the template is the thing that populates the categories, but changes made to them ([[Special:Diff/1250842588/1320374482|like yours]]) don't trigger an automatic reload, so the categories are only updated (and then used by the bot) after a random amount of time or, as PresN mentioned, when there's an edit to the page it's on. Using the [[User:Ahecht/Scripts/refresh|refresh script]], I made a [[WP:NULLEDIT|null edit]] to every page it's transcluded on, then re-ran the bot; it looks like it's still missing a few but it's not far off now! [[User:Aluxosm|Aluxosm]] ([[User talk:Aluxosm|talk]]) 11:04, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
:::That's brilliant, thank you so much! [[User:Chiswick Chap|Chiswick Chap]] ([[User talk:Chiswick Chap|talk]]) 11:16, 8 November 2025 (UTC)

== List of all WikiProjects doing WP 1.0 assessments ==

Is there a list somewhere of all WikiProjects doing assessments? [[:Category:WikiProjects participating in Wikipedia 1.0 assessments]] appears to contain only a small portion of these. If I can finish categorizing them, then it will be more straightforward, query-wise, to determine which projects to contact for key discussions at the WikiProject Council. [[User:StefenTower|<span style="color: #1b770d;">'''Stefen <span style="white-space: nowrap;">𝕋ower<sub>'s got the power!!1!</sub></span>'''</span>]] <sup>''[[User talk:StefenTower|Gab]]'' • [[Special:Contributions/StefenTower|Gruntwerk]]</sup> 19:47, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

:Do both quality and importance assessments count? Most are using the quality assessments (especially now that [[WP:PIQA|PIQA]] is a thing), but fewer are using importance assessments. These counts should be pretty accurate as they search for templates that use [[Module:WikiProject banner]] (1,366 uses excluding sandboxes) and which specify either the {{para|class}} or {{para|importance}} parameteres:
:* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=insource%3A%2F%5C%7B%5C%7B%5C%23invoke%5C%3AWikiProject+banner%2F+insource%3A%2Fclass%5Cs*%3D%2F+-intitle%3A%2F%5BSs%5Dandbox%2F&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns10=1 class] — 1,171 (85.7%)
:* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=insource%3A%2F%5C%7B%5C%7B%5C%23invoke%5C%3AWikiProject+banner%2F+insource%3A%2Fimportance%5Cs*%3D%2F+-intitle%3A%2F%5BSs%5Dandbox%2F&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns10=1 importance] — 1,069 (78.3%)
:The inverse of these searches are almost more informative:
:* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=insource%3A%2F%5C%7B%5C%7B%5C%23invoke%5C%3AWikiProject+banner%2F+-insource%3A%2Fclass%5Cs*%3D%2F+-intitle%3A%2F%5BSs%5Dandbox%2F&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns10=1 no class parameter] — 195 (14.3%)
:* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=insource%3A%2F%5C%7B%5C%7B%5C%23invoke%5C%3AWikiProject+banner%2F+-insource%3A%2Fimportance%5Cs*%3D%2F+-intitle%3A%2F%5BSs%5Dandbox%2F&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns10=1 no importance parameter] — 297 (21.7%)
:With only 259 projects in that category, either way it has a way to go! It'd definitely be easier to update it with the help of a script that finds the missing ones; if you still reckon the category is actually useful, I could do it if we decide on the criteria 🤙 [[User:Aluxosm|Aluxosm]] ([[User talk:Aluxosm|talk]]) 11:36, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
::I was just about to suggest that it could be updated automatically by the [[Module:WikiProject banner|WP banner module]] but it seems that it already does to some degree! I think it only tracks 1,061 templates because a few are missed due to non-matching titles (see the [[Module:WikiProject banner/templatepage|docs]]), and it currently only tracks the {{para|class}} parameter, but this might still be useful:
::* [[:Category:WikiProject banners with quality assessment]] — 944 (89%)
::* [[:Category:WikiProject banners without quality assessment]] — 117 (11%)
::This same code could easily be adapted to categorise the WikiProjects themselves (instead of their banner templates) into [[:Category:WikiProjects participating in Wikipedia 1.0 assessments]], whether they have the {{para|importance}} parameter or not. [[User:Aluxosm|Aluxosm]] ([[User talk:Aluxosm|talk]]) 00:03, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you for your well-considered reply. I'm looking for any WikiProjects doing WP 1.0 assessments, where class/rating will be set for in-project subject pages. It doesn't matter as much if a project sets importance, or uses an alternative like priority, as for this exercise, I'm just interested in the overall WP 1.0 effort for inclusion in the category I referenced.
::The searches you link here unfortunately won't be accurate, mainly due to the existence of WikiProject United States, which is an umbrella to a large number of projects, which themselves should count in the total.
::Since I posted my request, I've been thinking about this, and have concluded the best way to handle this (so far) is to find a [[Special:PrefixIndex/User:WP_1.0_bot/Tables/Project/|list of all the WP 1.0 tables that gets filled in by the WP 1.0 bot]], using those to determine the WikiProject front pages, and rejecting any of those that are redirects. From this list, I would subtract out all those already included in the category, and use [[WP:AutoWikiBrowser|AWB]] to add the category to those remaining. If there's an easier way to do this, that would be useful, but the approach I'm outlining here already isn't particularly difficult. [[User:StefenTower|<span style="color: #1b770d;">'''Stefen <span style="white-space: nowrap;">𝕋ower<sub>'s got the power!!1!</sub></span>'''</span>]] <sup>''[[User talk:StefenTower|Gab]]'' • [[Special:Contributions/StefenTower|Gruntwerk]]</sup> 01:11, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
:::Sounds like that's better for what you're going for maybe; the framework of a standalone "wikiproject" isn't always a valid one. I raise as an example [[User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Video game characters]], which is the table for the video game characters task force ([[WP:VGCHAR]]), which isn't a "wikiproject" in that it's a task force for [[WP:VG]], but does track its own subset of articles, so the difference between that and a wikiproject is mostly just template coding. --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 04:04, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
::::Do you think task forces like this should be placed in [[:Category:WikiProjects participating in Wikipedia 1.0 assessments]]? Or is just adding their parent project good enough? [[User:StefenTower|<span style="color: #1b770d;">'''Stefen <span style="white-space: nowrap;">𝕋ower<sub>'s got the power!!1!</sub></span>'''</span>]] <sup>''[[User talk:StefenTower|Gab]]'' • [[Special:Contributions/StefenTower|Gruntwerk]]</sup> 19:41, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
:::::Pinging [[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] to see if we could automatically populate the following categories using [[Module:WikiProject banner/templatepage]]:
:::::* [[:Category:WikiProjects with quality assessments]]
:::::* [[:Category:WikiProjects with importance assessments]]
:::::* [[:Category:Task forces with quality assessments]]
:::::* [[:Category:Task forces with importance assessments]]
:::::[[User:Aluxosm|Aluxosm]] ([[User talk:Aluxosm|talk]]) 01:08, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
::::::We already have [[:Category:WikiProject banners with quality assessment]] and [[:Category:WikiProject banners without quality assessment]]. Task force categorisation could be added if needed &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 10:44, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
:::::Hmm, not as easy as I thought. To your question, I think that it'd be good to have them all in there so that active task forces with inactive parents aren't ignored when sending mass messages. [[User:Aluxosm|Aluxosm]] ([[User talk:Aluxosm|talk]]) 04:48, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
:::Oh of course! Yeah, there are [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=insource%3A%2F%5C%7B%5C%7B%5C%23invoke%5C%3AWikiProject+banner%2F+insource%3A%2FTF_1_QUALITY%2F+-intitle%3A%2F%5BSs%5Dandbox%2F&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns10=1 168] WikiProjects with at least one task force that uses {{para|TF_n_QUALITY}} to provide ratings. {{tl|WikiProject United States}} is indeed the biggest with nearly 100. [[User:Aluxosm|Aluxosm]] ([[User talk:Aluxosm|talk]]) 00:54, 10 November 2025 (UTC)