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== [[Template talk:Game guide]] ==

The template renaming request has been relisted. Please join in to improve consensus. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 21:47, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

== Template:Bibleverse ==
[[Template:Bibleverse]] needs to be edited by and admin.  The source code links to ''http://bibref.hebtools.com''.  That website is no longer active.  User:Atethnekos edited Template:Bibleverse/sandbox which links to ''http://tools.wmflabs.org/bibleversefinder/bibleversefinder.php''
:''{ { Bibleverse|BOOK#|BOOKNAME|c:v–c:v|SOURCE } }'' {{Bibleverse||John|1:1|NIV}} {{Bibleverse||Joel|4:2|HE}} {{Bibleverse|1|Maccabees|2:1-5|NRSV}} '''are not''' working.
:''{ { Bibleverse'''/sandbox'''|BOOK#|BOOKNAME|c:v–c:v|SOURCE } }'' {{Bibleverse/sandbox||John|1:1|NIV}} {{Bibleverse/sandbox||Joel|4:2|HE}} {{Bibleverse/sandbox|1|Maccabees|2:1-5|NRSV}} '''are''' working.
::The [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Bibleverse&action=edit source code of Template:Bibleverse] needs to be changed in its entirety to:[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Bibleverse/sandbox&action=edit the source code found here]
:Can someone take care of this?  Kind regards,  --[[User:Atefrat|@Efrat]] ([[User talk:Atefrat|talk]]) 06:54, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
::'''Never mind'''  It's been fixed.  --[[User:Atefrat|@Efrat]] ([[User talk:Atefrat|talk]]) 07:43, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

== The ''Closing discussions'' page ==

Hi.  I put a question up on the [[Wikipedia talk:Closing discussions]] Talk page.  Doesn't appear to be too active over there.  Wonder if a couple of folks interested in the whole Wikipedia Help project might look over there and suggest a next step.

Here is the specific discussion:  [[Wikipedia_talk:Closing_discussions#Requesting_a_close]].

Thanks much.  Cheers.  [[User:N2e|N2e]] ([[User talk:N2e|talk]]) 15:24, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

:Since this page is not much monitored nor very active, I went on to ask my question at the [[Wikipedia:Teahouse|Wikipedia Teahouse]] on 27 November 2013.  It was quickly and helpfully answered by [[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] on 28 November 2013, and the discussion may be found [[Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_160#Where_does_one_go_to_request_a_close_of_a_contentious_content_dispute.3F|here]]. 

::{{Done}} So in early February 2014, I have updated the "Closing discussions" page to make it explicit on ''where'' such requests may be made.  Feel free to improve or copyedit what I added to that Help page. Cheers.  [[User:N2e|N2e]] ([[User talk:N2e|talk]]) 14:17, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

==JavaScript edit requests==
See [[template talk:JavaScript]] where a new edit request template has been proposed -- [[Special:Contributions/70.50.148.122|70.50.148.122]] ([[User talk:70.50.148.122|talk]]) 06:59, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia talk:Editor review#Mark Historical?]] ==

Note there is a discussion at the talk page on whether to mark it historical, it hasn't received attention for months. <span style="text-shadow:0em 0em 1em #003399;">[[User:Konveyor Belt|'''<span style="color:#00008B;">Konveyor</span>''']]</span><span style="text-shadow:0em 0em 1em #FF8C00;">[[User talk:Konveyor Belt|'''<span style="color:#B7410E;">Belt</span>''']]</span> 16:36, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

== MediaWiki Help instead of Help:Contents/Browse on the Main Page ==
Getting a link to [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Contents MediaWiki Help] instead of [[Help:Contents/Browse]] on the Main Page. I really rely on the Help:Contents/Browse functionality, how do we get it back? [[User:Djembayz|Djembayz]] ([[User talk:Djembayz|talk]]) 20:23, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
:I think this is one for the techies to look at - I've posted at [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 124#Sidebar "Help" link broken]]. -- [[User:John of Reading|John of Reading]] ([[User talk:John of Reading|talk]]) 21:03, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
::Now fixed. [[User:the wub|the wub]] [[User_talk:The wub|<span style="color: #008000">"?!"</span>]] 23:35, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

== Leaflet for Wikipedia Help Project at Wikimania 2014 ==

[[File:Project Leaflet WikiProject Medicine back and front v1.png|thumb|right|550px]]
Hi all,

My name is Adi Khajuria and I am helping out with Wikimania 2014 in London.

One of our initiatives is to create leaflets to increase the discoverability of various wikimedia projects, and showcase the breadth of activity within wikimedia. Any kind of project can have a physical paper leaflet designed - for free - as a tool to help recruit new contributors. These leaflets will be printed at Wikimania 2014, and the designs can be re-used in the future at other events and locations.

This is particularly aimed at highlighting less discoverable but successful projects, e.g:

• Active Wikiprojects: Wikiproject Medicine, WikiProject Video Games, Wikiproject Film

• Tech projects/Tools, which may be looking for either users or developers.

• Less known major projects: Wikinews, Wikidata, Wikivoyage, etc.

• Wiki Loves Parliaments, Wiki Loves Monuments, Wiki Loves ____

• Wikimedia thematic organisations, Wikiwomen’s Collaborative, The Signpost
<br><br>
The deadline for submissions is 1st July 2014
<br><br>
For more information or to sign up for one for your project, go to: 
<br><br>
''[http://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Project_Leaflets Project leaflets]''
<br>
[[User:Adikhajuria|Adikhajuria]] ([[User talk:Adikhajuria|talk]]) 17:49, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

== Help MOS ==

Greetings! I'm glad to see this project. If done well, and I believe it will be, not many projects will have such a great positive impact on the overall quality/consistency of Wikipedia articles. I'm considering signing up. 

One of the first things that should be done---before ''any'' changes are made to help pages---is a "manual of style". It would standardize things like exactly how to represent variables, the characteristics of tables, and so forth. It's a big area and it alone could take half a year or so to complete; but I think it's critical to do it first. 

Is this already being done? I didn't see anything like it on your main page. It could be that I just didn't look deep enough.

On a different topic, is there a "project manager" here? I.e., someone doing high-level planning and coordinating the activities of the worker bees? [[User:Mandruss|Mandruss]] ([[User talk:Mandruss|talk]]) 12:06, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

:Hello and welcome to the project [[User:Mandruss|Mandruss]]!  As seen at [[Help:Help]] the help system is a bit of a  mess. This has happened  simply  because of the way Wikipedia is - that is anyone can create pages, plus  pages are divided up by [[Wikipedia:Project namespace|name spaces]]. We have Policies, Guidelines, Help and advice pages "Essay" in different [[Wikipedia:Project namespace|name spaces]] (thousands of pages). We take care of "how to" and some "general info page" - not policies,  guidelines or the manual of style. Our project has its own MOS at [[Wikipedia:Help Project/Guidelines]] but its a  [[WP:Advice pages|project guide not a real MOS]]. May be a  good idea to expand the page to tell all more on how best to present help info to our readers....however most people who come to this project are generally aware of the [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style|main MOS]] and use that as a format/style guide. We also have to remember project members and non-project members  have their own ideas on how to present the help info. For example  [[Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia]] has the same basic info that can bee seen at [[Wikipedia:Tutorial|Wikipedia tutorial]] and [[Wikipedia:Training/Newcomers/Welcome|Newcomers training]] and [[Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Adventure|The Wikipedia Adventure]] all in different formats/styles. The most pressing thing is consolidation of current pages that regurgitate the same info in the same format that can be found at [[Help:Contents/Browse/Site map]] and [[Help:Contents/Directory]]. We don't really have a project manager ..a few take care of things like this project pages and news...but we all do what we like where we feel things need fixing or expanding. Jump in be bold - got more questions just ask.  -- [[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 22:45, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia]] ==

I have completed making a parent article on how and where people can help [[Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia]]. [[User:Fuhghettaboutit]] has done a great job in helping with copyeditng and correcting some fine points (Thank you [[User:Fuhghettaboutit]]). Would love to get a third or even better yet a fourth set of eyes to go over the page. Would also be a good idea to mention this page in the next set of news letters. There is also a proposal to have the article linked on the left side of all pages ...see [[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#‎Add "Contributing to Wikipedia" to main left hand side info links]]-- [[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 23:26, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

== [[WP:Co-op]] ==

Hi folks.  I wanted to make a note that an [[:meta:IEG|Individual Engagement Grant]] proposal, ''[[:meta:Grants:IEG/Reimagining_Wikipedia_Mentorship|Reimagining Wikipedia Mentorship]]'' was approved, and our team is through the first month of our grant. Our space will be called [[WP:Co-op|the Co-op]], and I've posted [[Wikipedia:Co-op#News|some news detailing our first month's progress]].  Please check it out, as we intend for our planned mentorship space to complement and expand on collaborative efforts between editors that has already been established here.  [[User:I JethroBT|<b style="color:green; font-family:Candara">I, JethroBT</b>]][[User talk:I JethroBT| <sup>drop me a line</sup>]] 19:35, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

== Article Assessment Within Help Project ==

Is there a link to how to assess Help Project articles? Also, since many of the help topics only require brief explanation, are we ruling out length as a major criterion for a certain assessment, assuming all other aspects are good to go? [[User:Upjav|Upjav]] ([[User talk:Upjav|talk]]) 03:45, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
:Answered my own question; put here for future reference in case anyone else has the same question - [[Wikipedia:Help_Project/Assessment]]  <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Upjav|Upjav]] ([[User talk:Upjav|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Upjav|contribs]]) 03:53, 20 August 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Assessment ==

Wow, WP's help/Wikipedia pages really are a complex barren of confusing advice. If there are any users here, I was wondering how we actually assess these pages? I mean, what does 'C-class' or 'B-class' mean in terms of a help pages? I think perhaps if that was clarified there might be easier to target editing to help improve this situation. Some of my own thoughts (this is more like a wishlist):
#Clear division between instructions for admins, technical details, and instructions for users
#Minimising links to irrelevant policies and use of unique fonts/formatting devices
#Minimising duplication between help pages
#Presenting instructions in a clear way without an excessive number of pseudo-steps
#Using language that isn't legalistic and can easily be understood
These certainly aren't measurable, but by stating a few I hope to start a discussion with other users about what things are? If there was a way to get from C to B or whatever, and that clearly reflected how to make this system easier to understand, I'm sure there would be at least some interested users. --[[User:LT910001|Tom (LT)]] ([[User talk:LT910001|talk]]) 02:18, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
:See post abovbe -- [[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 20:00, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

== Two office hours about the Bugzilla-to-Phabricator migration ==

Next week [[User:Qgil-WMF|Qgil-WMF]] will host two office hours to answer your questions about the Bugzilla to Phabricator migration:

* [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20141118T16 Tuesday 18 Novembre 16:00 UTC]
* [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20141118T23 Tuesday 18 Novembre 23:00 UTC]

These will be on {{irc|wikimedia-office}}.  Information about how to join is available at [[:m:IRC office hours]].  The plan is to start the migration on Friday 21 November at 00:30 UTC. More information will be posted at [[mw:Phabricator/versus_Bugzilla]].  [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 20:41, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

== Merge ==

We have [[:Help:Category]] and [[:Help:Categories]]. The latter ("Categories") is a small stub that describes itself as a "quick how-to guide". If that's the case it should be renamed -- in my opinion it's confusing to editors to have two help articles that appear to be about the same topic. Should they be merged? I'm asking here before formally proposing the merge as I haven't worked much in this area before. --[[User:LT910001|Tom (LT)]] ([[User talk:LT910001|talk]]) 21:12, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
:My view is that, while Help:categories is poorly named, it is actually a cool idea to have a beginners version of Help:Category. One solution would be to have it renamed to [[Help:Categories for beginners]], or something like that, with a redirect on the old page. --[[User:Mrjulesd|<span style="font-family:'Segoe Script',cursive; color:blue;">'''Mrjulesd'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mrjulesd|<span style="font-family:'Segoe Script',cursive; color:orange;">(talk)</span>]] 22:25, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

== News letter for 2014 ==

ping [[User:The wub]]

So I think its time for news letter ....been some time and we have a few new participates to the project.

What should  we mention in the news letter??

Was thinking we need to mention [[Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia]] (A main page)  has been completely overhauled -  including  Wikimedia Foundation brochure (also just updated) and videos (one even has Jimbo in it). What have others been upto that we should mention???  --[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 20:43, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

== RfC about  Referencing tutorial ==

Pls see [[Help talk:Referencing for beginners#RfC: What method first]] -- [[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 15:46, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

==Two new navboxes==

I've created two new navboxes:


{{Wikipedia community|state=collapsed}}


{{tl|Wikipedia community}} is a navbox of the main community-oriented pages on English Wikipedia. It is a superset of [[Template:Noticeboard links]] plus other community pages. However, it excludes, for the most part, help pages and rule pages.

{{Wikipedia technical help|state=collapsed}}

{{tl|Wikipedia technical help}} is a navbox of the main technical help pages on English Wikipedia. It is a superset of the [[Template:Wikipedia template messages]] navbox, and some of the links are also on various other help navboxes.

Any views on these? --[[User:Mrjulesd|<span style="font-family:'Segoe Script',cursive; color:blue;">'''Jules'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mrjulesd|<span style="font-family:'Segoe Script',cursive; color:orange;">(Mrjulesd)</span>]] 14:02, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

== Wikipedia:Tutorial ==

[[Wikipedia:Tutorial]] update is completed...would love a third set of eyes for a copy-edit for typos and grammar etc...
. -- [[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 17:17, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
:Well I looked over it and it looks good. {{Like}}. <b style="font-family:'Segoe Script',cursive;">[[User:Mrjulesd|<span style="color:orange;">--Jules</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mrjulesd|(Mrjulesd)]]</b> 12:18, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

== Invitation to comment on VP proposal: Establish WT:MoS as the official site for style Q&A on Wikipedia ==

There is now a [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Establish_WT:MoS_as_the_official_page_for_style_Q.26A_on_Wikipedia|proposal at the Village Pump]] that WT:MoS be established as Wikipedia's official page for style Q&A.  This would involve actively guiding editors with style questions to WT:MoS and away from other pages.  Participation is welcome, especially from editors who have experience dealing with style questions or editors seeking help in general.

For the purposes of this discussion, "style" refers to things like spelling, organization, punctuation, capitalization and other types of writing mechanics. [[User:Darkfrog24|Darkfrog24]] ([[User talk:Darkfrog24|talk]]) 19:21, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

== VisualEditor ==

I probably should have thought of you all sooner, but perhaps it's better late than never:  They're planning a [[m: Research:VisualEditor's effect on newly registered editors/May 2015 study|short test of VisualEditor]] soon.  (Tomorrow's the test for the testing software, which needed some recent work, but the actual test will be later—maybe next week, maybe next month, or maybe after re-re-writing the event logging software again ;-)  Anyway, I think that some of the common help pages have a link to {{tl|VE documentation}} or a similar note in text, but if you have "favorite" pages, it might be good to check them and see whether a link out to VisualEditor's user guide would be useful to some editors.  VisualEditor passed the "million edits" milestone&nbsp;back in March (just at the English Wikipedia; I believe it's about five million across all projects), so I suspect that people who use it have taken care of a number of pages anyway.

Also, when I have a few hours free, I'm planning to update the user guide again.  The central copy is at [[mw:Help:VisualEditor/User guide]], and I'm always interested in ideas about what is confusing or written in a needlessly complicated way.  Please {{tl|ping}} me if you have questions or need anything.  

And, finally, if you've put a lot of work into a help page, and it's got information that would be useful to people editing elsewhere (not just at the English Wikipedia), then I'd like to suggest that you have a look at [[mw:|Mediawiki]]'s help pages, because many of them would benefit from some attention.  Thanks for all you do, [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 21:20, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

:[[Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia]], [[Wikipedia:Tutorial/Editing]], [[Help:Referencing for beginners]] and [[Help:Editing]] now all have links to [[Wikipedia:VisualEditor/User guide]]....but more could be said. --[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 22:40, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

:I should have posted this update last week, but better late than never, I guess:  The results from this test were posted last Tuesday at [[:m:Research:VisualEditor's effect on newly registered editors/May 2015 study]].  Aaron's back from his vacation now, so you can ask him any questions you have about methodology, but my simple summary is that the group that had access to VisualEditor was slightly less likely to be reverted than the group without it, and everything else was the same.  
:There's also a related proposal at [[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Gradually enabling VisualEditor for new accounts|the Village Pump]] to give new users both editors.  They would get exactly what you get if you opt in to VisualEditor via [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures]].  Then they can choose which one they want to use for each edit.  
:Finally, if you haven't looked at VisualEditor for a few months, then you can [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random?veaction=edit have a quick look on a random article] (requires Javascript/doesn't change your account settings).  [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 18:20, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

==Another navbox==

{{tl|Wikipedia editor navigation}}

{{Wikipedia editor navigation}}

Its a amalgamation of some of the main navboxes for Wikipedia navigation, into a single collapsible navbox. Might be good for things like user pages,

Any views at all? <b style="font-family:'Segoe Script',cursive;">[[User:Mrjulesd|<span style="color:orange;">--Jules</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mrjulesd|(Mrjulesd)]]</b> 10:00, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Also {{tl|Main Page topics}}

{{Main Page topics|state=collapsed}}

This should be self explanatory. <b style="font-family:'Segoe Script',cursive;">[[User:Mrjulesd|<span style="color:orange;">--Jules</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mrjulesd|(Mrjulesd)]]</b> 22:43, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

:Looks good - any amalgamation is good ! [[user:leevanjackson|Lee&there4;V]] 12:01, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

:For ''Wikipedia editor navigation'', I like the concept & grouping idea. As far as the sequence of the Navboxes from top to bottom, thinking of a different arrangement. I will copy the wikicode into my offline Notepad to think about it for a while before making a recommendation. Regards, [[User:JoeHebda|JoeHebda]] ([[User talk:JoeHebda|talk]]) 21:51, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

:Following up on WP editor navigation, most is good, suggesting a few possible sequence changes, shown below in draft list.
:* General:
:** Wikipedia principles
:** Wikipedia key policies and guidelines
:** Essays about Wikipedia
:* Welcome:
:** Wikipedia community
:** Main Page and featured content
:* Help:
:** Wikipedia help pages
:** Wikipedia technical help
:* In depth:
:** Manual of Style
:** Wikipedia referencing
:** Template messages
:Hope this helps. Okay to disregard the groupings that I put in, helps me with classification.  [[User:JoeHebda|JoeHebda]] ([[User talk:JoeHebda|talk]]) 19:14, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
::{{Done}} thanks for your feeddback {{u|JoeHebda}}. <b style="font-family:'Segoe Script',cursive;">[[User:Mrjulesd|<span style="color:orange;">--Jules</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mrjulesd|(Mrjulesd)]]</b> 09:27, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

==Linking and page manipulation sidebar==

{{clear}}{{Linking and page manipulation}}
{{tl|Linking and page manipulation}}{{clear}}

Obviously a sidebar for navigation on these matters. Any thoughts on this? <b style="font-family:'Segoe Script',cursive;">[[User:Mrjulesd|<span style="color:orange;">--Jules</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mrjulesd|(Mrjulesd)]]</b> 16:45, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
:Only one thought, for that ''See also'', I would recommend a name change, to something like ''Additional''. It would avoid any confusion since SA is also the exact name for article section titles. Regards, [[User:JoeHebda|JoeHebda]] ([[User talk:JoeHebda|talk]]) 21:45, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
::{{ping|JoeHebda}} thanks for your comments. I will change the template as suggested. Regards <b style="font-family:'Segoe Script',cursive;">[[User:Mrjulesd|<span style="color:orange;">--Jules</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mrjulesd|(Mrjulesd)]]</b> 15:53, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

== Redirects ==

Can i get a few more eyes on some of our redirects that are begin moved...like [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:HELP&action=history our main page redirect] that was moved a few days ago. Not sure if it a big(wide spread) problem but many many moves have taken place,,,all in good faith but not with knowledge of our main purpose for all the redirects.[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 06:15, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
:Hey there [[User:Moxy|Moxy]], I can't seem to find where [[WP:HELP]] was moved, your question is a bit confusing and I'm not sure I understand it correctly, would you like to rephrase it and {{temp|ping}} me back? &mdash;[[User:Skyllfully|Skyllfully]] <sup>([[User_talk:Skyllfully|talk]]</sup> &#124; <sub>[[Special:Contribs/Skyllfully|contribs]])</sub> 03:48, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
::@[[User:Skyllfully|Skyllfully]]  - Not a problem any more ...[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/Tortle this editor] was moving many pages ....but has now stooped and we have fixed all the problems. -- [[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 12:25, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

== VisualEditor tutorials ==
{{intro to box|float=right}}
Hello all,

I've only just come across this excellent Wikiproject. I've started teaching VisualEditor workshops for scientists and noticed the lack of tutorials for VE, but a million competing ones for markup (the need for consolidation well noted in this Wikiproject it seems). I've made a couple of {{tlx|intro to}} tutorials, but before I went any further, I thought I'd mention here what I'm doing.

Since VE is relatively new, we actually have the opportunity to ''plan'' what help pages should exist! Therefore I thought I'd outline here what currently exists and perhaps we could briefly discuss what should exist:

'''User guides'''
:[[WP:VisualEditor/User_guide]] - a thorough and detailed manual (probably roughly equivalent to [[WP:MARKUP]])
:[[MW:VisualEditor/User_guide]] - the mediawiki 'master copy' that details all versions of VE (e.g. citation menu layouts for different wikis)

''''Introduction to' tutorials'''
:[[Help:Introduction_to_editing_(VE)]]     - basic VE functions (roughly equivalent to [[WP:Tutorial]] & [[WP:Training]] & [[WP:start]] & [[Help:Editing]] & [[WP:PANDAS#How_to_do_anything]] & [[WP:Training/Newcomers/Editing basics]])
:[[Help:Introduction_to_referencing_(VE)]] - VE editing and general reference advice (equivalent to [[WP:INTREF]])
:[[Help:Introduction_to_images_(VE)]] - VE image uploading and inserting (equivalent to [[WP:IUI]])

'''Unique'''
:[[WP:The_Wikipedia_Adventure]] - seemingly unique game-like format

Feel free to add to the above list if I've missed anything. My immediate plans are to make a couple of additional {{tlx|intro to}} tutorials for VE (Images, Templates) and have any policy section s synchronised with the equivalent markup pages by transclusion. I actually feel that the combination of the detailed [[WP:VE/UG]] plus the 10-minute [[Help:Introduction_to_editing_(VE)|intro to]] tutorials is really all we need ([[WP:TWA]] aside). By focussing on a smaller number of help pages, it should be possible to ensure more consistent quality and up-to-date-ness. [[User:Evolution_and_evolvability|T.Shafee(Evo&#65120;Evo)]]<sup>[[User talk:Evolution_and_evolvability|talk]]</sup> 12:10, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

===Tables===
The [[Help:Introduction_to_tables]] pages could do with some work, currently they're all a bit too long, and the balance is heavily skewed to a few topics. Any help would be appreciated. [[User:Evolution_and_evolvability|T.Shafee(Evo&#65120;Evo)]]<sup>[[User talk:Evolution_and_evolvability|talk]]</sup> 11:27, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

== Table tutorial content opinions requested ==

Hello all,

The [[Help:Introduction to tables with Wiki Markup|Introduction to tables]] tutorial has been partially complete for a few years. I've had a go at updating it but it would be really useful to have a few other editors have a quick look over to see what content and detail level the community think needs to be included. The centralised talk page for discussion is [[Help talk:Introduction to tables with Wiki Markup/1|here]].

Looking forward to your input. [[User:Evolution_and_evolvability|T.Shafee(Evo&#65120;Evo)]]<sup>[[User talk:Evolution_and_evolvability|talk]]</sup> 12:25, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

== Notice to participants at this page about adminship ==

Many participants here are core editors, understand the problems faced at Wikipedia, know policy well, and much more. Well, these are just some of the considerations at [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship]].

So, please consider taking a look at and watchlisting this page:

*[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Optional RfA candidate poll]]

You could be very helpful in evaluating potential candidates, and maybe even finding out if you would be a suitable RfA candidate.

Many thanks and best wishes,

[[User:Anna Frodesiak|Anna Frodesiak]] ([[User talk:Anna Frodesiak|talk]]) 00:15, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

== Will you consider redefining tagging an article as "minor editing"? ==

At [[Help:Minor edit]], it is currently a major edit to add tags and templates for improving overall quality of articles, but I am not sure as to whether just giving a simple heads-up that an area needs improvement, which is not much and therefore ''minor'' in this case, really is very major. Does anyone else think of the same thing? [[User:Gamingforfun365|<span style="color:yellow"><s><span style="color:#185618">Gamingforfun</span></s></span><sup><u><small><span style="color:red">3</span><span style="color:green">6</span><span style="color:blue">5</span></small></u></sup>]] [[User talk:Gamingforfun365|(<u>talk</u>)]] 23:46, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
:Well for tags, tagged material, if not attended to, can be removed. So it is fairly important that this is a major edit, as it is more visible to everyone.
:As for templates, I think it very much depends on the template in question. I'd imagine most navigation templates could probably be marked minor.
:If you want to discuss changes, the [[Help talk:Minor edit]] is probably the best place to start. But remember that these are recommendations, they don't hold the same weight as policies and guidelines. You don't have to follow them, although you may be challenged if you don't. <b style="font-family:'Segoe Script',cursive;">[[User:Mrjulesd|<span style="color:orange;">--Jules</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mrjulesd|(Mrjulesd)]]</b> 00:39, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

==[[Copyright Catalog]] citing==
This seems like a very useful database and I would like to either locate (if it exists) or construct (if it doesn't) a template for citing it easily. Been brainstorming this a bit at [[Talk:Copyright Catalog#Citation guide]] but figured people here might know better.

The best way to do this appears to be on the basis of a registration number, which would be the first input field, but it also seems like a PID code is also needed to make the page display.

Aside from that I can think of additional but optional fields which could also be useful, such as 'title' or 'date'. I don't know how to code templates though, anyone want to have a go at it?

[[Cocatalog.LoC.gov]] is the website so I was thinking that while the full title could be [[Template:Copyright Catalog]] that a good redirect to it would be [[Template:Cocatalog]] or even [[Template:Cocat]]. Ideas? [[Special:Contributions/184.145.18.50|184.145.18.50]] ([[User talk:184.145.18.50|talk]]) 11:39, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

== Single edit tab ==

I've just posted information about an upcoming change for editors who have the visual editor enabled.  The information is at [[Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)/Archive 52#Single edit tab]].  If you currently have two edit tabs (Edit/Edit source), then this will give you the options of having only one Edit button, if you prefer that.  

This change is likely to happen in mid-to-late April, and it's likely to result in a few editors coming to this page to ask what happened to their second edit tab/how to find the other editing environment.  Please read that information, and share it with other editors.  Thank you,  [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 17:37, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

==Please help==
Can you help me with [[Lets Marry]]? [[User:Moscowamerican|Moscowamerican]] ([[User talk:Moscowamerican|talk]]) 18:04, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

==Help template for help pages==
Does a "help page" template exist that puts a banner accorss the top of a help page explaining what it is? I just looked at a couple of Help pages, and they don't have a banner accross the top - something I've come to expect from non-article space pages. For example, the information pages have this template that generates a banner at the top of the page that explains what it is:[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Information_page]
If one doesn't exist, should we make one? 
[[User:Lawrencekhoo|LK]] ([[User talk:Lawrencekhoo|talk]]) 06:12, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

==[[FAQ (disambiguation)]]==
{{Selfref|For Wikipedia's FAQs, see [[WP:FAQ]].}}

{{tlx|Selfref|For Wikipedia's FAQs, see [[WP:FAQ]].}}

I tried to add a link to Wikipedia's own FAQ at the FAQ dab page, but it was deleted.

Shouldn't the WP:FAQ page be indicated at the dab page? 

-- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.217|65.94.171.217]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.217|talk]]) 03:57, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

:Replied at [[WT:FAQ]]. For future reference, queries for the help desk should go to [[Wikipedia:Help desk]], not to this talk page[[User:Noyster|: <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b>]] [[User talk:Noyster|<span style="color:seagreen"> (talk),</span> ]] 09:37, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

::It's not a query for the Help Desk, it's a query for the Help Wikiproject, since it involves linkages to a page managed by the Help Wikiprpject, and not a question asked for as editing help. Does the Help Wikiproject want such links to its own pages? ; I specifically chose to ask the Wikiproject because it was a question directly related to pages the Wikiproject manages, and not a general help question. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.217|65.94.171.217]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.217|talk]]) 23:28, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

==Comparison==
Please compare [[User talk:Blargh29/Using citation templates]] and [[Help:Referencing for beginners with citation templates]] and possibly other pages, and determine if the User talk page can be removed. Is a SD needed for a User talk page?--[[User:Dthomsen8|Dthomsen8]] ([[User talk:Dthomsen8|talk]]) 13:48, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

== Template:Wikipedia editor navigation templates ==

I have designed a new template for internal help and community templates:

{{Wikipedia editor navigation templates|state=expanded}}

The idea is to allow easy navigation among the various help and community templates. Could be useful for useful for user pages, or nav'plate see also documentation. 

Any comments would be appreciated. [[User:Mrjulesd|<span style="color:orange;">--Jules</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mrjulesd|(Mrjulesd)]] 09:32, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

== Wikimedia Movement Strategy ==

Hi all. I'd like to invite you to participate in the [[Wikipedia:Wikimedia Strategy 2017|Wikimedia Movement Strategy]] discussions, about our movement's overall goals, "What do we want to build or achieve together over the next 15 years?". It's currently in the first stage, of broad discussion. There are further details in the related [[m:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017|metawiki pages]] (FAQ, lists of other simultaneous communities' discussions, etc). (Also, if you're interested in helping facilitate and summarize the discussions here, and to bring back here the summaries of what the other communities are discussing, please let me know. Thanks. :) [[User:Quiddity (WMF)|Quiddity (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Quiddity (WMF)|talk]]) 00:59, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

== An invitation to participate in [[Wikipedia:Wikimedia Strategy 2017|the next cycle of Wikimedia movement strategy discussions (underway until June 12)]]  ==

Hello all! I wanted to let you know that the Wikimedia movement strategy core team and working groups have completed reviewing the more than 1800 thematic statements we received from the first discussion. They have identified [[m:Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2017/Cycle 2|5 themes that were consistent across all the conversations]] - each with their own set of sub-themes. These are not the final themes, just an initial working draft of the core concepts.

You are invited to [[Wikipedia:Wikimedia Strategy 2017|join the discussions taking place]] on these 5 themes here on Wikipedia (you can also use the [[m:Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2017|Meta Strategy portal]] to locate and participate in discussions outside of English Wikipedia). This round of discussions will end on June 12th. You can discuss as many themes as you like; we ask you to participate in the ones that are most (or least) important to you.

Here are the five themes and links to their information/discussion pages here on English Wikipedia. Each also has a page on Meta-Wiki (follow the link in the previous paragraph!) with more information about the theme and how to participate in that theme's discussion:

* [[Wikipedia:Wikimedia Strategy 2017/Cycle 2/Healthy, Inclusive Communities|Healthy, Inclusive Communities]]
* [[Wikipedia:Wikimedia Strategy 2017/Cycle 2/The Augmented Age|The Augmented Age]]
* [[Wikipedia:Wikimedia Strategy 2017/Cycle 2/A Truly Global Movement|A Truly Global Movement]]
* [[Wikipedia:Wikimedia Strategy 2017/Cycle 2/The Most Respected Source of Knowledge|The Most Respected Source of Knowledge]]
* [[Wikipedia:Wikimedia Strategy 2017/Cycle 2/Engaging in the Knowledge Ecosystem|Engaging in the Knowledge Ecosystem]]

On the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2017/Participate|movement strategy portal on Meta-Wiki]], you can find more information about each of these themes, see the locations of discussions about them across numerous projects and languages, and learn how to participate. 

Thanks for reading, and I hope to see you there! [[User:Kbrown (WMF)|Kbrown (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Kbrown (WMF)|talk]]) 17:07, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

== The ''[[WT:TOTD|Tip of the day]]'' needs tipsters ==

Hi,

One of the sub-departments of the Help Project is the [[Wikipedia:Tip of the day|Tip of the day]]. It is a collection of 365 helpful tips on using, developing, and participating in Wikipedia, as an encyclopedia and a community. The collection is displayed one tip per day throughout the Wikipedia community, day after day.  The collection is set up as a "yearless year", so that it automatically recycles year after year.

We're always looking for editors to monitor the tips before they go live, to catch errors.  We also need new tips to replace those that go obsolete from time to time. If you know of any cool browsing, editing, or collaborating tips...

Please share!

By the way, the template for monitoring the ''Tip of the day'' a day early is presented at the bottom of the page, below, for your convenience. To put it on your talk page like that, place "<nowiki><ref>{{totd-tomorrow}}</ref></nowiki>" somewhere on the page.

Cheers, [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The&nbsp;Transhumanist</i>]] 02:48, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

== Wikimedia Movement Strategy ==

Hi. I'd like to invite you to [[Wikipedia:Wikimedia Strategy 2017|Cycle 3 of the Wikimedia Movement Strategy discussions]]. This cycle is focused on the challenges identified by the research that was conducted in collaboration with experts, current/potential partners, and current/potential readers of the Wikimedia projects. Every week until the end of July, one challenge will be discussed, so if you're not interested in - say - challenge 1, don't forget to have a look on the page later this month.

If you want to ask a question, ping me or read [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2017/Frequently asked questions|the FAQ]]. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 23:02, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

== FYI proposed template rename re how-to (help) pages ==

FYI comments welcome [[Template_talk:Wikipedia_how-to#Proposed rename to "Wikipedia Help page"]]--[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 22:07, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

== Draft or Proposed help page ==

Suppose someone is inspired to create a new help page, but instead of just launching it seeks some input for quality control and apprising consensus.... do we have any means of accomodating that?  
* Something akin to "Articles for Creation" or "Draft"...  
* If it passes muster, it joins ranks of other help files, but if it fails, get tagged something akin to "Failed proposal"?
I don't have anything specific in mind, just thinking about the myriad essays floating about and possible ways someone could try to advance them to play a greater role (or if that fails a lesser role).   This is part of my general interest in housekeeping, that's all.  Comments?
[[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy|talk]]) 02:50, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
:These are my thoughts on this:
:*Most pages in the "Help:" namespace I feel are not problematic. Most I have come across are generally well written and accurate, although some could definitely do with some expansion. Obviously useless could be dealt with MfD, but not many are. So no need for drafts really for this.
:*Many essays (in the Wikipedia: namespace) I feel are fairly low grade. The problem with this being is they clutter [[:Category:Wikipedia essays]] and make finding helpful ones less easy. But I think the best solution to this would be in userfication: move to User: namespace, which is easy to do for essays with one main contributor; and move them to [[:Category:User essays]]. Another solution would be to have a "draft essay" category, and only allow them in the Wikipedia: namespace if of a high quality. But if something was done I feel it would be advantageous. 
:[[User:Mrjulesd|<span style="color:orange;">--Jules</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mrjulesd|(Mrjulesd)]] 20:55, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks for your thoughts.  It certainly is like sifting beach sand without clearly marked buckets for different bits of material.  Hope we can make some progress. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy|talk]]) 20:58, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
:Just FYI being able to create these pages at will is a very long entrenched policy. ....so much so it's on our main page [[WP:PGLIFE]].--[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 00:42, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
::Is there a Help: namespace template analogous to [[Template:Essay in development]]? [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy|talk]]) 15:28, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
....See [[Wikipedia:Template messages/Wikipedia namespace]]....it's called under construction. ...it's set up for all name spaces. That seen and said very easy to make one if you like.[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 03:39, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

:Hi! Need help to improve format and opinion if anything objectionable.Also want to compress table. Please advice. Thanks[[User:RAJIVVASUDEV|Rajiv Sharma]] ([[User talk:RAJIVVASUDEV|talk]]) 15:29, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

== new page patrolling ==

How does one find Help: namespace pages that have not been tagged with [[Template:Wikipedia Help Project]] ?

== Assessment procedure ==

What is the procedure for getting pages properly assessed for [[Wikipedia:Help Project]]? I was under the impression that the B/C/Start/Stub scheme was intended for use with such pages. There are rather a lot of pages in {{cl|NA-Class Help articles}}, and I have found that a number of them are because {{user|Dthomsen8}} has been making edits {{diff|Wikipedia talk:Unified login|prev|807112662|like this}}, and so nullifying the previous assessment. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 08:59, 26 October 2017 (UTC)


{{aan}}
== A renewed effort on the [[Help:Intro]] series ==

Hello all,

I've done an overhaul of the [[Help:Introduction_to_the_Manual_of_Style/1|Intro to MoS]] pages. I'm hoping to further update and improve the [[Help:Intro]] series and merge in some of the disparate help pages into the relevant Help:Intro pages (e.g. [[Wikipedia:Simplified Manual of Style|this]] and [[Help:Referencing for beginners with citation templates|this]]). They already cover more up-to-date versions of all the info in [[WP:Tutorial]]. I'm hoping to eventually supercede the older tutorial, since I think it's off-putting and unhelpful to newcomers. [[User:Evolution and evolvability|T.Shafee(Evo<small>&#38;</small>Evo)]]<sup>[[User talk:Evolution and evolvability|talk]]</sup> 22:24, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

== Failure of coordination: Screenshot updates and Publish changes button ==

Because nobody seemed willing or able to coordinate the updating of all the Help Pages across en.Wikipedia following WMF's name change of the "Save changes" button to "Publish changes" last year, I've taken this task upon myself. It's taken days of rooting around and cajoling, but I think the job is now completed with my replacement yesterday of old, out-of-date screenshots for all but the most obscure processes or protected templates. Maintenance list [[User:Nick Moyes/sandbox/Updates still needed for Publish changes|here]]

Will somebody now take responsibility for checking my work, please? 

I would add that we have had months of new user confusion at the Help Desks because of this issue, and that really ought not to have occurred.  There is now the additional matter of ensuring a clear distinction in the minds of new editors between "Publish changes" and "publish" to mainspace. I've added a note to the front of the VE guide to that effect. Where else should it go? Could it be improved? I have also copied this post to [[Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback]] Regards from the UK, [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 11:40, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

== Proposal to overhaul [[WP:I]] and [[WP:T]] ==

I've put up a [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)/Archive_146#An_update_of_the_default_introduction_&_tutorial_to_Help:Introduction|proposal at the Village Pump]] to replace the old [[WP:I]] and [[WP:T]] with the superior [[Help:Intro]]. Any opinions welcomed there. [[User:Evolution and evolvability|T.Shafee(Evo<small>&#38;</small>Evo)]]<sup>[[User talk:Evolution and evolvability|talk]]</sup> 02:41, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
:There are some very interesting help related comments and suggestions in that discussion  [[user:leevanjackson|Lee&there4;V]] 21:36, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

== Slight issue ==

So, I prefer to use a black background with green text, as it's easier on my eyes. ''However'', in the last couple of days it's messed up. The the Wikipedia background, '''not''' the article background has been black. The article background has been white, with green text. Just thought it should be reported to someone. <sup>(talk page stalker)</sup> '''[[User:Crash Underride|<b style="color:#008caf">Crash</b>]][[User talk:Crash_Underride|<b style="color:#6000c6">Under</b>]][[Special:Contributions/Crash Underride|<b style="color:#6000c6">ride</b>]]''' 14:10, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
:{{Re|Crash Underride}} Someone's asked the same question at [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Bizarre display with green text/black screen gadget]], so I suggest you watch for replies there. -- [[User:John of Reading|John of Reading]] ([[User talk:John of Reading|talk]]) 15:17, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
:{{ec}} {{replyto|Crash Underride}} This is not a place to ask for help, it is the [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] for discussing improvements to the page [[:Wikipedia:Help Project]]. You will probably get advice at [[WP:VPT]]; and it would be best if you mention that you are using the blackskin gadget. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 15:19, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

== Removal of maintenance templates after an RFC concludes ==

I invite input at [[Help_talk:Maintenance_template_removal#Template_removal_after_conclusion_of_an_RFC|Help talk:Maintenance template removal]], for clarifying the text about whether disputed maintenance templates should be removed after an RFC on the issue has concluded. [[User:Alsee|Alsee]] ([[User talk:Alsee|talk]]) 00:06, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

== Growth team is looking for your feedback and ideas ==

Hello!

Have you heard about [[mw:Growth|Growth team]]?&nbsp; 

The Growth Team's objective is to work on software changes that help retain new contributors in [[mw:New Editor Experiences/Midsize Wikipedias|mid-size]] Wikimedia projects. We will be starting with Wikipedias, but we hope these changes will benefit every community.

We are contacting your project today, because you may be interested by what we work on.

'''8 ideas we consider: tell us what you think about them!'''

We are considering new features to build, that could retain new editors in mid-size Wikipedias.&nbsp;We will be testing new ideas in Czech and Korean Wikipedias, and then we'll talk to more communities (yours!) about adopting the ideas that work well. 

[[mw:Growth/Discussing potential Growth ideas|We have posted the 8 ideas we are considering]]. We would really appreciate your thoughts and the thoughts from your community. Please share the ideas, and [[mw:Talk:Growth/Discussing potential Growth ideas|tell us]] what do you and your community think of those ideas before September 9.

'''Share your experiences with newcomers'''

We want to hear about what is working and what is not working for new contributors in your wiki. We also want to hear any reactions, questions, or opinions on our work. Please post on the [[mw:Talk:Growth|team’s talk page]], in any language!

'''Learn more about us'''

You can visit [[mw:Growth|our team page]] to find out why our team was formed and how we are thinking about new editors, and [[mw:Growth/Project 2018 Q1|our project page]] for detailed updates on the first project we'll work on.

'''Get updates on your project page'''

The [[mw:Growth/Newsletters|Growth team's newsletter]] will provide updates regularly. You can [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Growth team updates|subscribe to it]].

On behalf of the Growth team, [[mw:User:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek (WMF)]] ([[mw:User talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 13:35, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

== Feedback for [[User:Citation bot/use]] ==

I just gave this page a major revamp. It could look a fresh pair of eyes, especially from users that never used [[User:Citation bot]] before. Please give feedback at [[User talk:Citation bot/use]]. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 03:03, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

==Feedback on the article==
I just checked the wikilink [[Wikipedia:Annotated article]] and looked for advice on the sectioning of referencing /notes/bibliography. The article is a car crash, and technically wrong. It takes a 2007 article on a US railway topic and gives advice. Clicking links takes us to the 2018 version of that article, and that has multiple-issue warnings. Glancing at the list of useful advice; it takes us to a raft outdated (say pre- 2015) articles. If anyone is working in this area can I ask you to look at each one. --[[User:ClemRutter|ClemRutter]] ([[User talk:ClemRutter|talk]]) 13:13, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

== proposal to remove IRC chat information from [[Wikipedia:Questions]] ==

I have made a proposal to remove IRC chat information from [[Wikipedia:Questions]]. You can discuss it at [[Wikipedia talk:Questions#Proposal to remove IRC chat from this page]] and I will be removing the information shortly if no other people show up to discuss it. Thanks [[User:Seahawk01|Seahawk01]] ([[User talk:Seahawk01|talk]]) 03:47, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

== Edits to [[Help:Convert]] ==

Consulting [[Help:Convert#Quick start]], I found much of it confusing or possibly inadequate. I've made {{Diff|Help:Convert|880309326|oldid=857714082|label=a number of edits}} there. Please check them over and correct any goofs I may have made, and {{tl|ping}} me when you do so. Thanks! --[[User:Thnidu|Thnidu]] ([[User talk:Thnidu|talk]]) 18:47, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

== "Magic" DISPLAYTITLE template, please update information ==

[[:Template:DISPLAYTITLE]]: Instructions for this template, and documentation templates including it i.e. [[:Template:Correct title examples]], still refer to a totally non-explanatory help page on meta. I would have rewritten it, ''but I am not totally sure what it does!'' I suspect it searches a page for a string of characters and substitutes each instance with another defined string, i.e. non-standard cApiTalS, but it doesn't quite say that. <span style="font-size: small; text-shadow: #d9be47 2em 0.1em 0.3em,#141d97 0.2em 0.1em 0.3em,#2c747b 0.1em -0.1em 0.2em;color:#2b70b7"><small><sup>~^\</sup>\<sub>\.</sub>[[User:RTG|r]][[User_Talk:RTG|T]]</small>[[Special:Contributions/RTG|G]]</span>'{~ 11:31, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|RTG}} Is [[WP:DISPLAYTITLE]] easier to understand? I have added a link to the documentation of [[Template:DISPLAYTITLE]].[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:DISPLAYTITLE/doc&diff=890284884&oldid=886613072] [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 11:47, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
::{{re|PrimeHunter}} It seems to say the template affects the title above the lead section. If that is the case, I am suggesting that starting with the nutshell on DISPLAYTITLE and clicking the link [[fullpagename]], along with those unfamiliar multicolour pastel highlights, and links to non-descriptive meta sections which link to unrevealing phabricator entries, is probably... Um, I'm going to edit them all so they say this template is used to display a different title than is in the address bar, and/or when you need to display a different title than is in the address bar, use this template unless I am again mistaken. Thanks PrimeHunter. <span style="font-size: small; text-shadow: #d9be47 2em 0.1em 0.3em,#141d97 0.2em 0.1em 0.3em,#2c747b 0.1em -0.1em 0.2em;color:#2b70b7"><small><sup>~^\</sup>\<sub>\.</sub>[[User:RTG|r]][[User_Talk:RTG|T]]</small>[[Special:Contributions/RTG|G]]</span>'{~ 13:04, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
:::<code><nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE}}</nowiki></code> is not a template, it is a [[H:MW#Behavior switches|behaviour switch]]. As such, it shouldn't be documented as if it were a template, that is misleading and leads to confusion. Its entry [[H:MW#Behavior switches|here]] already has a link to [[WP:DISPLAYTITLE]]. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 15:52, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
::::Maybe, but it is a template at the moment, and it is documented in the template way, so I have edited it. It's just a copyedit basically. The coloured parts are now more obvious, the nutshell is a nutshell, and I believe the lead sentence is conveying what it was intended to, o7 <span style="font-size: small; text-shadow: #d9be47 2em 0.1em 0.3em,#141d97 0.2em 0.1em 0.3em,#2c747b 0.1em -0.1em 0.2em;color:#2b70b7"><small><sup>~^\</sup>\<sub>\.</sub>[[User:RTG|r]][[User_Talk:RTG|T]]</small>[[Special:Contributions/RTG|G]]</span>'{~ 19:38, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
:::::It is ''not'' a template. With templates, the first parameter is separated from the template name using a pipe; with behaviour switches, it's a colon. This uses a colon: <code><nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE:<span style="color:red;">Wikipedia</span> talk:''Help'' Project}}</nowiki></code> and its effects may be seen at the top. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 22:10, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
::::::For me C++ is a foreign language, though I used to speak some Basic and HTML. In English, a template is a temporary overlay, or a preformed base. I consider this an overlay of sorts in the ''output'', but really I just mean that it says, "Template:" at the top of the page. 
::::::However yes, you have stirred some understanding. My interest is piqued. In the template function there are often colon or pipe char after the function name, and thus determines the route of the code thereafter. It sinks. I joyfully bleed understanding. I look up expectantly, but C++ remains a mystery, tugging on my vision, a point somewhere near the top of the mountain. I wrench myself away and continue my journey marching toward Avalon, my eyes on the ground and the horizon, but my head in the sky, filled with anime visions. <span style="font-size: small; text-shadow: #d9be47 2em 0.1em 0.3em,#141d97 0.2em 0.1em 0.3em,#2c747b 0.1em -0.1em 0.2em;color:#2b70b7"><small><sup>~^\</sup>\<sub>\.</sub>[[User:RTG|r]][[User_Talk:RTG|T]]</small>[[Special:Contributions/RTG|G]]</span>'{~ 13:54, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
:::::::It doesn't say "Template:" at the top of the page. The page where this behaviour switch is described is [[Help:Magic words]]. It is a Help page, in Help space. Not in template space. It's not a template. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 19:18, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
::::::::It's confusing to many users. In MediaWiki and therefore in Wikipedia discussions and documentation, a template is an editable wiki page in the template namespace. The page name starts with "Template:" in the English Wikipedia. Templates are created by editors of the wiki. Templates don't exist from the start when MediaWiki is installed on a server. [[:Template:DISPLAYTITLE]] is a template which happens (on purpose) to have the same name as the magic word <code><nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE}}</nowiki></code>. The latter uses syntax similar to templates but is ''not'' a template. Magic words are part of the MediaWiki software at installation and cannot be deleted or edited by users. <code><nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE:title}}</nowiki></code> with a colon applies the magic word and doesn't know or care whether a template by the same name exists. <code><nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE|title}}</nowiki></code> with a pipe is no longer the magic word but a template call. The MediaWiki developers chose very similar syntax for templates and some of the magic words. <code><nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE}}</nowiki></code> with no parameter refers by MediaWiki definition to the magic word and not the template, but there is never reason to use <code><nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE}}</nowiki></code> without a parameter. If you want to call a template with the same name as a magic word without using a parameter then you can say <code><nowiki>{{Template:DISPLAYTITLE}}</nowiki></code>. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 21:22, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
:::::::::Ah, I see!  {{ping|PrimeHunter}}, thanks for this informative comment.  When you wrote that "''The MediaWiki developers chose very similar syntax for templates and some of the magic words''", you revealed the source of much confusion.  Design choices are not about function alone, but also about usability.  Had a different syntax been chosen for magic words, say using '''<nowiki>{[…]}</nowiki>''' delimiters (or  '''<nowiki>{/…\}</nowiki>''', or  '''<nowiki>««…»»</nowiki>''', or whatever would work without also breaking the parsing of existing syntax), we might have fewer problems understanding what we're looking at.  Yes, that's right, '''humans also read syntax''', not just machines!  Should I take this up on MediaWiki, perhaps?  But the magic words help page has other problems as well, which I'll address in a new section.  [[User:Yahya Abdal-Aziz|yoyo]] ([[User talk:Yahya Abdal-Aziz|talk]]) 01:11, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

== Submit your proposals for Community Growth at Wikimania before June 1! ==

Hello,

[http://wikimania.wikimedia.org/ Wikimania 2019] is organized into 19 “[[wmania:2019:Submissions#Spaces|spaces]]”, which are all accepting proposals for sessions. This email comes from the team organizing the [[wmania:2019:Community_Growth|Community Growth space]].

We would like to invite you to submit a proposal to the Community Growth space because of the actions you’ve done around newcomers on wikis. The [[wmania:2019:Submissions|deadline for submission]] is '''June 1'''. See below for Community Growth submission topics and session formats. Topics and sessions have to be in English.

In the Community Growth space, we will come together for discussions, presentations, and workshops that address these questions:

* What is and is not working around attracting and retaining newcomers?
* How should Wikimedia activities evolve to help communities grow and flourish?
* How should our technology and culture evolve to help new populations to come online, participate and become community members?

'''Recommended topics.''' While proposals related to all aspects of community growth and newcomer experience are welcome, the organizing team is particularly interested in proposals related to:

* ''Research on recruitment, activation and retention.''
* ''Technological approaches''
* ''On- and off-wiki engagement strategies''
* ''Supporting diversity and cross-cultural newcomer experiences''
* ''Lessons learned from beyond Wikimedia, and''
* ''The future of newcomers and editing''

If you are interested in seeing presentations around additional topics, but do not plan to submit a proposal, you can [[wmania:2019:Community_Growth#Topics_suggested_by_community_members|suggest additional topics here]].

If your topic does not fit into our space, remember that there are [[wmania:2019:Submissions|18 other spaces]] that could welcome you sharing your knowledge and perspective.

'''Types of session.''' We prefer sessions that are participatory, interactive, promote conversations, and give a voice to parts of our movement that are heard less often. We welcome the following session formats:

* ''Roundtable discussion''
* ''Panel discussion''
* ''Lightning talk''
* ''Working session''
* ''Teaching session''
* ''Conference presentation''

'''Poster submissions.''' Posters are also a good way to introduce a topic, or show some results of an action. Please consider [[wmania:2019:Poster_session|submitting one]]!

More information about the Community Growth space, topics, and submission formats is available [[wmania:2019:Community_Growth|on the proposal page]].

[[wmania:2019:Community_Growth|Please submit your proposal]]. The reviews will happen at the beginning of June.

If you have questions about Wikimania in general, please ask them [[wmania:2019:Attendance|on the Wikimania wiki]].

Sincerely,<br />
[[User:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 13:05, 14 May 2019 (UTC)<br />
On behalf of the Community Growth leadership team

== Question about [[Help:Talk pages]] ==

Hello, Help Project participants. Please see my question at [[Help talk:Talk pages#An example of a talk page]]. —⁠[[User:Andrybak|andrybak]] ([[User talk:Andrybak|talk]]) 09:46, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

== Very wide template "Inline talk templates" ==

Greetings, Wondering if {{tl|Inline talk templates}} can be changed to a narrower format? It is very wide and requires horizontal scrolling to follow a line across the display. Any improvement is way beyond me & requires expert help. Regards, [[User:JoeHebda|JoeHebda]] ([[User talk:JoeHebda|talk]]) 12:47, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
:I followed the link you provided, it doesn't exhibit any width problem that I can see. It's just an ordinary dab page. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 18:04, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
::Fixed the link, it should have been the {{tl|tl}} template but was mistakenly put as a link instead. I'm not sure what the best way to redesign that template would be, but agree that the current layout isn't optimal. [[User:the wub|the wub]] [[User_talk:The wub|<span style="color: #008000">"?!"</span>]] 23:03, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

== Portal:Contents is really a portal? ==

It has been proposed that [[Portal:Contents]] its subpages and [[Portal:Featured content]] be moved to Wikipedia space and in the discussion came the possibility of moving to Help space. We would like to hear this wikiproject.
See [[Portal talk:Contents#Requested move 9 October 2019]].[[User:Guilherme Burn|Guilherme Burn]] ([[User talk:Guilherme Burn|talk]]) 21:22, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

== Request for information on WP1.0 web tool ==

Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the [[User:WP_1.0_bot|WP 1.0 Bot]]! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the [[:toolforge:enwp10/cgi-bin/pindex.fcgi|web tool]] that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScK30kJtKQ3cp-QLY1VJhB94HP2q6437Cdk3E2rVRYHowcL4A/viewform?usp=sf_link this Google form] where you can leave your response. [[User:Walkerma|Walkerma]] ([[User talk:Walkerma|talk]]) 04:23, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
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