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===March 6===
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==== Hatnote list modules ====
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The result of the discussion was '''no consensus'''<!-- Tfd top --> with '''no prejudice for further discussion'''. I appreciate that previous closing remarks have been taken into consideration before opening this discussion, but there are still some concerns about the implementation and whether the methodologies set out by the nominator are "the best." At this point it is clear that TFD is not the best venue to actually discuss the ''implementation'' of a merger like this, so I ''strongly encourage'' both sides of this discussion to take the matter to the talk page(s) of the modules in question and hash it out further. In doing so, I hope that both sides can come to a compromise. [[If and only if]] this discussion reaches absolute [[:wikt:at_loggerheads#English|loggerheads]] should these templates be brought back to TFD for community review; otherwise, a local consensus will have been reached and TFD will not be necessary to implement any decision reached. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 16:09, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
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'''Propose merging''' [[Module:About-distinguish]], [[Module:Distinguish]] and [[Module:Main list]].<br />
{{oldtfdlist|Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 July 5#Module:Distinguish|no consensus|Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 August 9#Module:Distinguish|no consensus}}Nearly duplicate modules, sharing the core component of taking an unlimited number of parameters from template arguments and converting them into a list using [[Module:Hatnote list]]. All of the other features are frills that could easily be implemented in Wikitext. I've written a merged module at [[Module:Sandbox/pppery/sentence list hatnote]] (distinguishing this from the previous TfD, when no merged module was available), and written templates that use it in [[Template:About-distinguish/sandbox]], [[Template:Distinguish/sandbox]] and [[Template:Main list/sandbox]]. [[User:Pppery|&#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery]] ([[User talk:Pppery|talk]]) 05:34, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
* Pinging participants from previous discussions: {{ping|Nihiltres|SMcCandlish|GreenC}} [[User:Pppery|&#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery]] ([[User talk:Pppery|talk]]) 05:35, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' [[Module:Cat main]] is intentionally excluded from this nomination, because (a) it has several unique features like bolding the title and (b) there was some talk about making it not a hatnote at all. [[User:Pppery|&#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery]] ([[User talk:Pppery|talk]]) 05:38, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
* '''Sounds reasonable'''.  I'm in favor of consolidating code like this whenever practical to do so. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 06:26, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
* '''Support merger in principle, <s>oppose current implementation</s>''' - instead of writing the the actual text hatnote in the template and having all templates access the same module entry point, create a different entry point for each different style (then continue the code as normal, with all entry points accessing the list() function). As I've commented in a previous discussion, if we go with a module design pattern, then keep all the code there. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 08:05, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
*: I deliberately modeled my code in [[Module:Sandbox/pppery/sentence list hatnote]] after [[Module:Labelled list hatnote]], which similarly takes all its arguments from wikitext. [[User:Pppery|&#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery]] ([[User talk:Pppery|talk]]) 14:25, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
*::If that is indeed the already used practice, then I don't oppose that anymore. Question, I looked at the code in [[Module:Labelled list hatnote]] and am wondering why does your module code copy so much of that code, instead of letting the Labelled list module handle it? Is there a reason I'm missing why it can't handle it? --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 14:49, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
*::: Because {{u|Nihiltres}} opposed merging with [[Module:Labelled list hatnote]] in the July 5 TfD. [[User:Pppery|&#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery]] ([[User talk:Pppery|talk]]) 15:08, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
*::::Amazing. Well, in that case there is not a lot to do. It's very silly to duplicate over 90% of a module, but it seems that there is no other way. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 18:59, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
*::::: Feel free to propose a merge of the two modules after this discussion concludes (I would support it). [[User:Pppery|&#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery]] ([[User talk:Pppery|talk]]) 19:18, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
*::::I feel that you took me too literally on that; there's ''obviously'' enough commonality between the two to propose an expansion that would reuse most of the code directly in a [[Don't repeat yourself|DRY]] manner by refactoring monolithic code into separate functions. I opposed the July 5 one on the grounds that it didn't make sense to bloat [[Module:Labelled list hatnote]] to support {{tl|Distinguish}} alone, but I did explicitly mention the possibility of rearranging the module structure to accommodate the idea. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">{&#123;[[User:Nihiltres|<span style="color:#233D7A;">Nihiltres</span>]]&#8202;&#124;[[User talk:Nihiltres|talk]]&#8202;&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Nihiltres|edits]]}&#125;</span> 07:14, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
*<p>'''Weak oppose'''. Specifically, I oppose the implementation for {{tl|about-distinguish}} that puts its Wikidata functionality in wikitext, because I oppose splitting template logic between modules and wikitext. It's one thing to supply simple text labels on the wikitext side, and quite another to supply conditionals; it's a needlessly confusing practice. I would suggest instead a simple "wrapper" module that added these conditionals by injecting their result into the input of the main function. The rest is ''okay'' I guess but could use a bit of tweaking; I haven't looked over it as thoroughly as I probably should.</p><p>More generally, and let me make it unequivocally clear this time: Pppery, I find your practice of introducing template changes through TfD to be unwiki and unconducive to collaboration with you. I find it stressful to see nothing for some time, then be pinged on a TfD where I must—as a result of the format—argue these changes pass/fail rather than talking through the merits of different approaches. Please, '''use the talk pages''' and talk about your plans (and I'd appreciate if you ping me there), so I and others can comment and work ''with'' you rather than this adversarial-feeling approach. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">{&#123;[[User:Nihiltres|<span style="color:#233D7A;">Nihiltres</span>]]&#8202;&#124;[[User talk:Nihiltres|talk]]&#8202;&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Nihiltres|edits]]}&#125;</span> 07:14, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

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*'''Oppose''' I don't fully understand all the issues here but seeing some concern and controversy over how this is being handled. Recommend best worked out in a talk page discussion where ideas can be hashed out among stake holders, then implemented and finally the formality of a TfD. -- [[User:GreenC|<span style="color: #006A4E;">'''Green'''</span>]][[User talk:GreenC|<span style="color: #093;">'''C'''</span>]] 15:02, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
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* I agree with Nihiltres in full. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 18:10, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
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==== [[Template:People who flew to the Moon without landing]] ====
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The result of the discussion was '''redirect'''<!-- Tfd top --> to [[Template:People who have traveled to the Moon]] along with the content of {{t|People who have walked on the Moon}}. Formatting and layout issues are outside the scope of this discussion. Please make sure attribution for the merge is given. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 16:26, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
* {{Tfd links|People who flew to the Moon without landing}}
No article on the subject.  Not a suitable intersection for a navbox.  Might be more suited to a category, if it doesn't break [[WP:OC]] rules.  If it is kept, only the people should remain, not all the superfluous information, which is not suited to navboxes. '''--[[User:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:yellow; color:red;;">wooden</span>]][[User talk:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:yellow; color:blue;;">superman</span>]]''' 16:00, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
*'''Strong Keep''', as the creator (but that's neither here nor [[:File:FullMoon2010.jpg|there]]) I felt that, since there is already a template for the 12 people who walked on the Moon, the 12 <s>poor non-historic souls</s> who just got to circle it should have a scrap or two. <s>And yeah, the "superflouous information" - the links to the only [[Apollo 8|n]][[Apollo 10|i]][[Apollo 11|n]][[Apollo 12|e]] [[Apollo 13|M]][[Apollo 14|o]][[Apollo 15|o]][[Apollo 16|n]] [[Apollo 17|m]][[Apollo program|i]][[Apollo command and service module|s]][[Lunar Roving Vehicle|s]][[Apollo Lunar Module|ions]] that the human race has traveled on - may be tangential and little-known outside of their families and friends.</s> Since we are now in the 50-year anniversary cycle of the Moon landings, and <s>silly</s> editors<s>, unaware that few find them important,</s> have been diligently working on all aspects of every Apollo mission, I <s>somehow</s> thought that such a template would be appreciated. But <s>alas, a scent of deletion leads</s> this template<s>, which</s> is so 1968 to 1972<s>, to the edge of the [[Space: the final frontier|happy hunting ground]]</s>. '''But wait...a [[Mission Control|little voice]] asks "How about combining both templates?" [[User:Randy Kryn/People who have traveled to the Moon|so I'll mock one up''' (and speaking as a space buff and historian, it really looks beautiful)]]. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 19:00, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' For what it is worth, I plan to make the article after I get [[List of people who have walked on the Moon]] to FL. I would stylize it a little different maybe, but not delete it. '''<span style="background:#B1810B; padding:2px; border-style:solid; border-width:1px">[[User:Kees08|<span style=color:#FFFFFF;">Kees08</span>]][[User talk:Kees08|<span style=color:#FFFFFF;"> (Talk)</span>]]</span>''' 00:16, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
**Hi {{u|Kees08}}. Did you see the merged template mock-up I worked up, linked in the last sentence in my comment. I'd better highlight it. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 03:46, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
**I just saw that you saw it, what do you think of the merge? [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 04:11, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
**Merge is fine with me. Changed vote. '''<span style="background:#B1810B; padding:2px; border-style:solid; border-width:1px">[[User:Kees08|<span style=color:#FFFFFF;">Kees08</span>]][[User talk:Kees08|<span style=color:#FFFFFF;"> (Talk)</span>]]</span>''' 05:41, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' There is no need for the Apollo astronauts to be split up, having been on most of the same missions. I endorse Randy Kryn's combined template which looks terrific. [[User:Reywas92|Reywas92]]<sup>[[User talk:Reywas92|'''Talk''']]</sup> 04:57, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' as above; consider merging into {{Tl|Apollo program}}; otherwise keep. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 11:17, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
* '''Merge''' - if you plan to keep the bottom row then a different name should be considered or remove that row. The template also overlinks to the Apollo missions which it really shouldn't even link to as those articles don't have this template so the links aren't [[WP:BIDIRECTIONAL]]. If merged per Andy's suggestion with {{tl|Apollo program}}, both issues should be fixed. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 00:40, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
:*I removed 'Moon landings' from below, as it is a bit too tangential. The others in 'below' are closely related and directly relevant to the Apollo Moon travelers, as they consist of their vehicles and program, and the Moon walkers template are on those pages. The merge I suggested was to merge the Moon walkers and Moon travelers template as shown by the link in my rambling comment, as these individuals and their deeds are important enough to continue to exist as a separate template and not be merged, and a bit lost, in the overall Apollo program template. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 00:51, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' with Randy's template; no real reason to split up the walked and didn't-walk astronauts, since the number of flying-to-the-Moon astronauts is small enough to fix easily on one template.  [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 02:38, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
*'''Slighty-Agree-Merge''' Randy's conceit gets it right, and encourages the reader/user to learn of the related personnel.  It's also a good way to deal with possible "template-bloat".  That said, I do have a reasonable gut-feeling that the 12 moonwalkers deserve their own thing on general principles. [[User:MinnesotanUser|MinnesotanUser]] ([[User talk:MinnesotanUser|talk]]) 06:00, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
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==== [[Template:Infobox D&D creature]] ====
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The result of the discussion was '''relisted'''<!-- Tfd top --> on [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 March 21#Template:Infobox D&D creature|2019 March 21]]. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> [[User:DannyS712|DannyS712]] ([[User talk:DannyS712|talk]]) 09:40, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
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==== [[:Category:Indianapolis Colts draft navigational boxes]] ====
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The result of the discussion was '''delete'''<!-- Tfd top -->. The initial concerns of the nominator, that the templates are unused and fail ACCESS, have been addressed, leaving only the comments and opinions of those involved in the discussion. An argument about [[WP:NAVBOX]] concerns (specifically #4) was presented and debated but neither side seems to have "won" that point (noting that it is a guideline and only "should' be followed). The next concern was whether these provide ''useful'' navigation, which traditionally has been a major point for navboxes being brought to TFD. Despite a month listing here, as well as a [[WT:NFL#Mass_TfD's_of_NFL_draft_navboxes,_again|parallel discussion]] at WT:NFL (mainly discussing the ACCESS issue), there were no significant rebuttals to the idea that these templates were not strictly necessary, with the most compelling argument being that these players often do not end up ''staying'' with the team to which they were drafted. As an administrative note, there were concerns that this nomination could be used to set a precedent to delete all similar templates in this field, but since this nomination was (originally) about the templates not being used I do not see this as setting a precedent for future discussions on [[:Category:National Football League draft navigational boxes|the overarching category]]. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 20:22, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
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Unused templates. Only incoming links are from each other... Additionally, violate [[WP:ACCESS]]. '''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00ced1">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange;">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 21:45, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
* Inclined to '''delete''' per nom and [[WP:NOTALMANAC]], and unused. Ping to {{u|Trut-h-urts man}} and {{u|Yankees10}} who created these templates and might be able to shed light on how they are used. --[[User:Tom (LT)|Tom (LT)]] ([[User talk:Tom (LT)|talk]]) 08:10, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
* Seems at least most of these are unused. The templates themself are a problematic though. The years link to other templates, not articles, and the color scheme makes it hard to actually see what is a link and what is a red link. I'm also inclined to '''delete'''. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 22:42, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' All of the navboxes should be linked to the pages of the drafted players so I find the claim that they are only linked to each other highly dubious take how the 1998 navbox links to [[Peyton Manning]].[[User:UCO2009bluejay|UCO2009bluejay]] ([[User talk:UCO2009bluejay|talk]]) 17:26, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
* '''Oppose'''. I just went and clicked through on one of them ([[:Template:Colts2008DraftPicks]]). It is fully linked on all 9 player pages, so to say that all of these navboxes are unused is false. If there are ones that have not been fully deployed on player pages, that is a fixable issue. I have been going through and trying to make sure they are all used, but that will take a while because of the sheer number of boxes that have been sent to TfD here. As far as this entire class of navboxes as a concept, a broader discussion would have to take place at [[WT:NFL]] before we should be taking any action there. [[User:Ejgreen77|Ejgreen77]] ([[User talk:Ejgreen77|talk]]) 03:22, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
::All of these templates are now fully used. Additionally, any [[WP:ACCESS]] concerns that may exist here actually involve [[:Template:Indianapolis Colts Draft template list|a different template]], not this one. [[User:Ejgreen77|Ejgreen77]] ([[User talk:Ejgreen77|talk]]) 16:01, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
*'''Delete all''' Fails [[WP:NAVBOX]] item 4: {{tq|There should be a Wikipedia article on the subject of the template.|q=yes}}. For example, {{tl|Colts2018DraftPicks}} has no dedicated article, but is a subset of the content at [[2018 NFL Draft]] and [[2018 Indianapolis Colts season]]. Also fails WP:NAVBOX item 5: {{tq|If not for the navigation template, an editor would be inclined to link many of these articles in the See also sections of the articles.|q=yes}} A better argument could be made for something more distinguishing like [[List of Indianapolis Colts first-round draft picks]]. This is [[WP:NAVBOXCREEP]].—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 20:12, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
::See, I have the exact opposite opinion. I really don't see anything special or particularly distinguishing about being a first-round draft pick (as opposed to being drafted in any other round), and I'm not sure why we ever started generating navboxes based upon that particular distinction in the first place. These navboxes show all of the players who were drafted in the same draft class by the Colts in any given year, which, to me, is a much more useful grouping. I would argue that [[2018 Indianapolis Colts season]] is the article that would satisfy [[WP:NAVBOX]] #4. As for [[WP:NAVBOX]] #5, I would argue that [[:Template:ColtsFirstPick]] fails that one much more so than [[:Template:Colts2018DraftPicks]] does. [[User:Ejgreen77|Ejgreen77]] ([[User talk:Ejgreen77|talk]]) 20:27, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
:::re: NAVBOX #4, the fact that we need to "argue" about whether it is met by an article named different than the navbox is my usually tip-off of NAVBOXCREEP. I expect it to be obvious, otherwise someone is just churning out cross sections.—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 02:13, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
:::re: the first round picks, my point is that it more obviously meets NAVBOX #4.  I wasn't necessarily saying I would keep that either (and that would be for another TfD anyways).—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 02:13, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
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*'''Keep all''', navboxes in active or potential use, editorial decision for editors of the relevant articles whether these should be used or not. —'''[[User:Kusma|Kusma]]''' ([[User talk:Kusma|t]]·[[Special:Contributions/Kusma|c]]) 14:45, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
**{{re|Kusma}} {{tq|editorial decision for editors of the relevant articles whether these should be used or not|q=y}} If we always kept and left it up to editorial decision to use or not, we would never delete any templates; but that is not how TfD generally works. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding something?—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 10:57, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
***{{re|Bagumba}} My point is if somebody wants to use these navboxes on their articles, let them. I don't see an advantage in deleting these templates (and I know that TFD habitually deletes lots of things that could just be left alone, unlike most other XfDs). I don't have the subject knowledge to understand why someone would want to use the boxes, so I leave that to the experts. —'''[[User:Kusma|Kusma]]''' ([[User talk:Kusma|t]]·[[Special:Contributions/Kusma|c]]) 19:48, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
****{{tq|Their articles}}? And here I was thinking that articles belong to no one and are a community effort, and if the community decides that a specific template has no place on an article, that decision should be accepted. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 20:37, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' This is navigational overkill, especially since a number of those drafted don't even end up playing for the team and those selected the same year is not the strongest connection to other players. [[User:Reywas92|Reywas92]]<sup>[[User talk:Reywas92|'''Talk''']]</sup> 01:20, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
*'''delete''' per Reywas92 and Bagumba and Tom (LT), clearly over navboxing. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 16:11, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
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:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span>  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''

The result of the discussion was '''keep'''<!-- Tfd top -->. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> [[User:DannyS712|DannyS712]] ([[User talk:DannyS712|talk]]) 09:41, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
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The English Wikipedia does not run this kind of bot-scored competition, so they are all unused with little possibility of use. See also [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 February 19#UKBot]] [[User:Pppery|&#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery]] ([[User talk:Pppery|talk]]) 17:10, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
* '''Comment''': As the creator, I need to maintain an English version of the templates anyways since I cannot translate them directly from Norwegian to Basque and Finnish. Of course I can keep the English version somewhere else, but it's quite convenient to keep them here since they are then interwiki-linked, the documentation is easily readable, and it comes with the bonus that the bot can easily be enabled at English Wikipedia if anyone's interested in using it for article contents here. – ''[[User:Danmichaelo|Danmichaelo]] ([[User talk:Danmichaelo|talk]])'' 05:53, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
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*'''Keep''' per [[User:Danmichaelo|Danmichaelo]]. See no reason to disrupt things. -- [[User:GreenC|<span style="color: #006A4E;">'''Green'''</span>]][[User talk:GreenC|<span style="color: #093;">'''C'''</span>]] 14:50, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
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*'''Keep''' per [[User:Danmichaelo|Danmichaelo]], no clear advantages to deletion, downsides for one user. —'''[[User:Kusma|Kusma]]''' ([[User talk:Kusma|t]]·[[Special:Contributions/Kusma|c]]) 14:49, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
* Where is the BRFA for this bot? --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 15:30, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
*: [[Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/UKBot]] [[User:Pppery|&#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery]] ([[User talk:Pppery|talk]])  20:10, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
*:: Btw. the contest mentioned in the BRFA was run from fiwiki instead in the end. – ''[[User:Danmichaelo|Danmichaelo]] ([[User talk:Danmichaelo|talk]])'' 16:23, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
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