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===June 26===
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==== [[Template:Images of England]] ====
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The result of the discussion was '''relisted'''<!-- Tfd top --> on [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 July 10#Template:Images of England|2019 July 10]]. [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 00:08, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
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* {{tfd links|National_Heritage_List_for_England}}
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==== South Korea football standings templates ====
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The result of the discussion was '''delete'''<!-- Tfd top -->. [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 00:19, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
* {{Tfd links|2012 K-League table}}
* {{Tfd links|2012 Korea National League table}}
* {{Tfd links|2013 K League Challenge table}}
* {{Tfd links|2013 K League Classic table}}
* {{Tfd links|2013 Korea National League table}}
* {{Tfd links|2014 K League Challenge table}}
* {{Tfd links|2014 K League Classic table}}
* {{Tfd links|2014 Korea National League table}}
* {{Tfd links|2015 K League Challenge table}}
* {{Tfd links|2015 K League Classic table}}
* {{Tfd links|2015 Korea National League table}}
* {{Tfd links|2016 K League Challenge table}}
* {{Tfd links|2016 K League Classic table}}
* {{Tfd links|2016 K3 League table}}
* {{Tfd links|2016 Korea National League table}}
* {{Tfd links|2017 K League Challenge table}}
* {{Tfd links|2017 K League Classic table}}
* {{Tfd links|2017 K3 League Advanced table}}
* {{Tfd links|2017 K3 League Basic table}}
* {{Tfd links|2017 Korea National League table}}
* {{Tfd links|2018 K League 1 table}}
* {{Tfd links|2018 K League 2 table}}
* {{Tfd links|2018 K3 League Advanced table}}
* {{Tfd links|2019 K League 1 table}}
* {{Tfd links|2019 K League 2 table}}
* {{tfd links|South Korea football standings templates|catfd=y}}
unused after being merged with the parent article (with attribution) per consensus at [[WT:FOOTY]] [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 15:17, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
:<small>Note: This discussion has been included in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Football#Nominations for deletion and page moves|WikiProject Football]]'s list of association football-related deletions. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 09:38, 27 June 2019 (UTC)</small>
*'''Delete''' per nom. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 09:39, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
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==== [[Template:Mid Wales League]] ====
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The result of the discussion was '''redirect'''<!-- Tfd top --> to [[Template:Mid Wales League]]. [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 23:09, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
* {{Tfd links|Mid Wales League}}
Duplicate template - the other one {{tl|Mid Wales League teamlist}} has now been updated for the 2019-20 season. [[User:Zanoni|Zanoni]] ([[User talk:Zanoni|talk]]) 15:00, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' {{tl|Mid Wales League}} was created two years before {{tl|Mid Wales League teamlist}}, so really the latter should be redirected to the former (which should be updated). [[User:Number 57|<span style="color: orange;">Number</span>]] [[User talk:Number 57|<span style="color: green;">5</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Number 57|<span style="color: blue;">7</span>]] 15:10, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
:<small>Note: This discussion has been included in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Football#Nominations for deletion and page moves|WikiProject Football]]'s list of association football-related deletions. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 09:38, 27 June 2019 (UTC)</small>
*'''Keep''' and update {{tl|Mid Wales League}}, and '''delete or redirect''' {{tl|Mid Wales League teamlist}} (per N57). [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 09:40, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
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==== [[Template:Other sandbox]] vs [[Template:Sandbox other]] ====
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The result of the discussion was [[Template:Other sandbox]] has been deleted via [[CSD:G7]]. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 15:13, 7 July 2019 (UTC)<!-- Tfd top -->
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'''Propose replacing''' usage of [[Template:Sandbox other]] with [[Template:Other sandbox]].

There is an old and established template [[Template:Sandbox other]], which is widely used to wrap categorization of templates inside <nowiki><includeonly></includeonly></nowiki> tags on documentation subpages. It is done so to avoid putting /sandbox subpages into the same category as live version of the template. In this usage, the first parameter is almost always empty. As far as I can tell, such pattern is the predominant type of usage of [[Template:Sandbox other]]. The template checks if its being transcluded onto page named /sandbox and chooses first parameter for sandboxes, and second parameter of other places.

The template is established in the sense that there is a family of templates (like [[Template:Main other]]), which check if transclusion is on page in a particular namespace.

Feeling silly typing the extra pipe character to signify an empty first parameter every time I've been adding categories to /doc pages, I created [[Template:Other sandbox]], which just flips the parameters around and passes them into [[Template:Other sandbox]]. After a {{oldid|Template talk:Other sandbox#Is this template useful?|903568109|short discussion}}, {{U|DePiep}} [[Special:Diff/903568414|nominated]] the template for speedy deletion per [[WP:T3|CSD T3]].
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I don't see the usefulness of this new template, next to {{tl|Sandbox other}}. For sure, this is introducing confusion, and this just to "save" a pipe typing character? (compare: why add {{tlf|other main}} next to {{tl|main other}}?). I propose deletion. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 12:13, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
:{{U|DePiep}}, thank you for your feedback. Feel free to create a deletion nomination at [[WP:TfD]]. Is [[Template:Sandbox other]] ever used with non-empty first parameter? —⁠[[User:Andrybak|andrybak]] ([[User talk:Andrybak|talk]]) 12:54, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
::I don't see relevance nor argument in that question. Will speedy it. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 12:59, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
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What is more important: consistency of [[Template:Sandbox other]] with [[:Category:Namespace manipulation templates]] or not having to pass an empty parameter every time the template is used? Side note: [[Template:Sandbox other]] technically does not manipulate ''namespace'', but <nowiki>{{SUBPAGENAME}}</nowiki> and <nowiki>{{PAGENAME}}</nowiki>.  —⁠[[User:Andrybak|andrybak]] ([[User talk:Andrybak|talk]]) 13:29, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
* '''Initial comment:''' Having two templates that do the same thing but with parameters in the opposite order is something that should be avoided at all cost. So at the basic level - one of these should be deleted. Now the question comes, which one? On the one hand, I agree that having a mandatory parameter (which is essentially what an unnamed {{para|1}} is) that is almost always empty is pointless, but replacing the order is counter-intuitive to how "if..else.." code blocks work - which this is. To also answer your question, consistency with all other family templates is definitely more important, that said and without checking their usage or code, whatever is decided here, can also be used on them. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 16:12, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
*'''No change, delete new {{tlf|Other sandbox}}'''. So the only argument brought forward for this change is "{{tq|1=Feeling silly typing the extra pipe character to signify an empty first parameter}}". As an argument, this is extremely trivial (or silly by itself). You want to turn this over to reduce having to type an extra pipe?
:Quite simple, parallel with the {{tl|main other}} series having the same existing pattern, the eternal confusion caused by ''changing'' this pattern is  utterly nonsensical (I cannot put that more reasonable). As far as predominant usage could be relevant: the template /doc situation (that is referred as being eh problematically silly) is often entered through [[template:Documentation/preload]], e.i. no extra pipe typing needed. Anyway, for the whole {{tlf|Main other}} series (together some ~10M uses) this is not an issue at all. Also, on top of all this, to understand the <code>if ... else ...</code> contruct that is behind them, it is counterlogical and countergrammatical to ''start'' the pseudo-code with the ''exception'' 'other', before naming to what the 'other' is an exception of. (IOW starting with 'other pages' opens the hanging question 'other than what?'; or: starting with the 'else' clause similarly: else from what?). -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 16:38, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
:: The preload is indeed very helpful when creating new doc subpages. However, [[Special:Diff/903612159|there are]] templates which need fixing. Perhaps, it's something that should delegated to [[WP:BOTREQ]], I don't know. With regards to having to flip if-then-else: what if we deviate from this naming convention, and have a template {{t|if not sandbox}} (or {{t|not in sandbox}}), which would have a single parameter? —⁠[[User:Andrybak|andrybak]] ([[User talk:Andrybak|talk]]) 18:59, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
:::No. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 23:42, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} By now, I am seriously convinced that {{U|Andrybak}} is not actually interested in a serious TfD discussion or any template improvement at all. So for enwiki health reasons, I leave this thread. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 23:50, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
* '''No change. Speedy delete [[Template:Other sandbox]]'''. Arguments by {{u|Gonnym}} and {{u|DePiep}} have convinced me that this is the way to go. —⁠[[User:Andrybak|andrybak]] ([[User talk:Andrybak|talk]]) 23:49, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
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==== [[Template:Reasonator]] ====
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The result of the discussion was '''no consensus'''<!-- Tfd top -->. [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 00:08, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
* {{Tfd links|Reasonator}}
A template displaying a link to a third-party tool displaying Wikidata content. There are several problems with this. First, the tool seems to be somewhat slow and buggy; it [https://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?q=Q350 outputs] text such as <nowiki>"population 123867 (NaN&ndash;NaN)" and "official name Cambridge&nbsp;<small>[en]</small>".</nowiki> Second, it has so far seen very little use, except that people are now [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=HappyOrNot&diff=902059031&oldid=902058730&diffmode=source using it in body text], putting ugly and unituitive gear icons into articles. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sandstein|<span style="color:white;background:blue;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Sandstein '''</span>]]</span></small> 09:12, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

* '''Keep''',  Reasonator is not perfect, and it's been a few years since [[User:Magnus Manske]] last updated it or gave it much love, '''but''' it can be a very useful tool, in particular because (a) it shows the information on a Wikidata entry much more succinctly than the Wikidata page itself, and (b) it includes a survey of the statements that have the particular Wikidata entry as their ''object'' rather than their ''subject'' (the "From related items" section), which can be immensely useful and is not directly available from the raw Wikidata item.  As a result it's quite a useful thing to be able to link to in maintenance tables such as ones like [[Wikipedia:GLAM/Your paintings/Painters born 1200-1399|this]] set for painters covered by the [[Art UK]] site, many of whom are only redlinks here, where in all this template had about 10,000 transclusions (now broken by this TfD nomination).  On Wikidata a link to Reasonator is a standard sidebar gadget that I would encourage anybody regularly working with the platform to install, because of this usefulness.  
:Per the final RfC cited in [[Wikipedia:Wikidata#Appropriate_usage_in_articles]], like other direct links to Wikidata, the template should not currently be used within the body-text of an article.  [[User:Jheald|Jheald]] ([[User talk:Jheald|talk]]) 09:51, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
* '''Keep''', Not everything in this world deserves a wikipedia page but by turning raw wikidata in something readable reasonator provides a bridge. Reasonator also enables a new way to create articals in that it encourage articals to be build "from the facts, up" allowing something useful to exist whilst enough facts are gathered to start building an artical. Reasonator can also help with multilingual support as it could be made to generate pages in all the languages wikidata support. In short, if there are bugs and speed improvements to be made, lets concentrate on that, not on "cutting it adrift" [[User:Back ache|Back ache]] ([[User talk:Back ache|talk]]) 19:50, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
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==== [[Module:Section transclude]] ====
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The result of the discussion was '''delete'''<!-- Tfd top -->. [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 00:08, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
* {{Tfd links|Section transclude|module=Module:}}
Unnecessary Lua module, can be implemented in Wikitext. (Wikitext version: <code><nowiki>{{#section:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|{{{1}}}}}</nowiki></code> [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 00:15, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
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==== [[Module:Testcase table]] ====
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The result of the discussion was '''nothing'''<!-- Tfd top -->. It looks like it has been functionally redirected by the original author, so I don't think there is anything else to do here.  As far as I can tell, module-space redirects are being discussed at RFD, so, if you still want to have it deleted, you can take it there? [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 00:02, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
* {{Tfd links|Testcase table|module=Module:}}
Superseded by [[Module:Template test case]], as evidenced by [[Special:Diff/636399687]] . [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 18:56, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
* '''history merge''' since it was essentially forked without attribution. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 13:02, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
*: {{ping|Frietjes}} [[WP:HISTMERGE|History merges]] are used for cut-and-paste moves, which this was not. Rather, I added functionality to display test cases in columns to an already-established module. A history merge would not accurately reflect the history of the module - it would look like I just deleted all your code and replaced it with something completely unrelated. Also, [[WP:ATTREQ|attribution]] is required under CC BY-SA when copying copyrighted content, but I didn't copy your actual code. What I copied was your idea, and the testcase table API. Ideas aren't copyrightable, and APIs probably aren't either. I did [[Special:Diff/637096782|add a header]] to attribute your contributions after we [[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius/Archive 20#Module:Testcase table|talked about this previously]], but I don't think there is anything else that can reasonably be done. If you think of anything - other than a history merge - then let me know. — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr.&nbsp;Stradivarius</span>]]''''' <sup>[[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius|♪&nbsp;talk&nbsp;♪]]</sup> 02:47, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
*:: in my experience, the history would still indicate that it was a new creation.  but, since that is unacceptable, replace with <code><nowiki>return require('Module:Template test case')</nowiki></code> which is the lua equivalent of a redirect, and redirects are usually what we do to preserve history when pages are forked without attribution. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 14:27, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
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==== Substitution of [[Template:BOTREQ]] ====
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The result of the discussion was '''no consensus'''<!-- Tfd top -->. The OTHERSTUFF argument cuts both ways, and there is no clear consensus about what to do. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 01:05, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
* {{Tfd links|BOTREQ}}
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==== [[Template:Infobox Latter Day Saint biography]] ====
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The result of the discussion was '''no consensus'''.  It looks like there could be consensus for creating a module, but no consensus for a merge.<!-- Tfd top -->. [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 22:14, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
* {{Tfd links|Infobox Latter Day Saint biography|module=|type=merge}}
* {{Tfd links|Infobox religious biography|module=|type=merge}}
'''Propose merging''' [[Template:Infobox Latter Day Saint biography]] with [[Template:Infobox religious biography]].<br />
Similar infobox and [[WP:INFOCOL]]. [[User:Capankajsmilyo|Capankajsmilyo]]<sup>([[User talk:Capankajsmilyo|Talk]] | [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Infoboxes/assistance|Infobox assistance]])</sup> 07:36, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': How does the proposer envision dealing with the parameters listed under "Specialized information for Latter Day Saint Leadership", "For Political office holders", and "Military Service" in {{tl|Infobox Latter Day Saint biography}}? This would not be a straightforward merge. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 04:49, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
*'''<s>Tentative Oppose</s> Changing to Comment''': Per Jonesey, there are a number of parameters in the Latter Day Saint biography which would need to be addressed. <s>Several are unique enough to warrant a unique template.</s> If the parameters are dealt with, I '''support''' the merge. [[User:Rollidan|Rollidan]] ([[User talk:Rollidan|talk]]) 14:24, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
*'''create''' a module with the LDS specific information and refactor {{tl|Infobox Latter Day Saint biography}} to use that module.  by the way, this actually looks closer to {{tl|infobox officeholder}}. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 15:01, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
* '''Replace with a module''' per Frietjes. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 17:34, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
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*'''Oppose''' If the templates are merged, a module to reflect the unique LDS info is absolutely essential. However, a merged template would become like so many of our templates: incredibly unwieldy for new and non tech-savvy Wikipedians. We should make templates as easy to utilize as possible, and the longer the template, the tougher to utilize. [[User:Schetm|schetm]] ([[User talk:Schetm|talk]]) 14:06, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. [[User:PPEMES|PPEMES]] ([[User talk:PPEMES|talk]]) 14:08, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
* '''Support''': It seems "not so" controversial to me. Is it? —Yours sincerely, [[User:Soumya-8974|Soumyabrata]] 11:25, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - requires unnecessary work to get the module to work, as noted above it's more confusing for people using the infobox. In short not worth doing, the situation is broken. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 21:48, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
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